We definitely need a bill like this to bring some common sense to the patenting business methods in the (please forgive me for using this term;-) New Economy.
Unfortunately, we all know how the legislative process works, and its probably not much better than the patent process. Lets hope Congress as a bit more common sense. Unfortunately this bill is being presented by two Democrats, who are in the minority in both houses this session. I don't think this bill is a partisan issue, but if Republicans are trying to push their own legislative agenda, they might block Democratic bills like this one in order to gain support for their own. That's the way the process works I'm afraid, it ain't pretty.
Basically this bill has a ways to go before we see some useful action, and of course, it will likely not change the status of currently issued patents.
I've been using Redhat 7 for a few days now. I haven't had any significant problems. Granted I don't have pretty standard and not very new hardware (K6-2, Millenium II...). Installation was a breeze, even cleaner then 6.2.
However, there have been a few minor glitches that I wonder about. I tried using LinuxConf to set my static IP address, and it wouldn't find the DNS servers (but incoming traffic was fine). Finally I went back to the old Control Panel and used Network config and it worked fine.
I think bugs are to be expected by now in a.0 release, but also consider that RH decided to include a lot of new stuff too, like Xfree86 4.0, new gcc, etc.
I had high hopes that maybe RH would break the trend and not have a buggy.0 release, but oh well. It works fine on my system tho, so I can't complain too much.
Still the network configuration problem and a few other oddities definitely are starting to make me consider trying something else, like debian perhaps.
Case it point, if I had some moderator points, I'd mod this up. This is a really good idea.
However, it does have a lot of potential for abuse. Transferring karma across accounts *will* be a problem. Some can mod up their troll comment, and transfer karma from an account that has high karma to one with low karma, essentially avoiding the karma cap.
Even with its faults its definitely something to consider.
Maybe these sacrificed karma points wouldn't give a karma bonus to the poster of the comment that is modded, thus avoiding potential abuses. However, it doesn't seem entirely fair to the legitimate comment posters, since he won't benefit from all the karma he might normally have recieved.
I really like the idea of karma having more of a use than just a +1 bonus.
AMD's first 64-bit chip (Sledghammer) is essentially an x86 chip with some added register bits (a la 386 adding bits to make 32). Hence its backward compatable and everything, but carries along all the troubles of the x86.
If you really want a 64-bit chip, Itanium is the way to go (or get an Alpha now:-). AMD's true 64-bit chip is yet to be announced, but most likely will be based on the Alpha IA (since they have made patent exhanges for Alpha technology), and be very different (binary incompatable) from Intels IA-64 architecture.
The funny thing about this, is that it's AMD who is going to be "sqeezing" more (another 32 bits) out of the Intel x86 architecture in the next year or so:-)
Another difference between the OEM Live Value and the other Live! cards (MP3, X-Gamer, etc.) is that you can buy the LiveDrive seperately and add it too them, you can't add it to the Live! Value. It makes me very sad:-(
Even people with cable modems aren't *constantly* using them, and those who *are* are usually violating their terms of service by running FTP/HTTP servers (and are usually found, and are usually dealt with).
found and dealt with? Not in my experience, maybe if you run a huge warez sites, but a couple personal sites and some file transfering isn't going to get you "dealt with"
At least not yet. Shhh... Don't tell my cable company;-)
Well, if someone sets up a DNS server somewhere with a static IP and runs this NSTX protocol on it, and gives out its IP, then anyone an access the internet through PPP dialups anywhere. No one said the server running the tunnelling protocol has to be YOUR server.
I the point of the original posters comment was to say exactly what you just said power isn't defined in any useful way concerning programming languages.
For example, I have to disagree with your, higher-level=more powerful definition, as well as your less-programming-time=more powerful definition. I think the ultimate power tool (besides writing out opcodes by hand) is assembler. My reasoning? You can do ANYTHING in assembler. If you can't do it there, it can't be done. Unfortunately, it sure violates your less-programming-time principle. In terms of what you can accomplish with it (it may not be easy tho') its more powerful then high-level languages.
Okay, so shitty was too strong a word, but mostly shitty, and a couple decent games, even a good one like Ages of Empires (sorry, haven't played it) isn't going to make up for what they are going to eat selling the player. Then again I guess M$ has money to burn...:-)
I was having a conversation with a friend the other day about gaming consoles over coffee drinks in one of those goofy coffee bars with internet access. The dude next to us joined in our conversation, as we argued whether the X-box was going to kick the PS-2s ass or the other way around.
Basically the consensus of the conversation was that Microsoft lacks a certain ability A) deliver products on time B) deliver products that live up to their hype. We all agreed that the X-Box has some pretty lofty expectations, with that nVidia dream video card, PIII processor, DVD drive and run MS windows something or other. Now they tell us its also going to have a 40GB hard drive, twice as much memory as before! *and* act like a digital video recorder.
Come on. I'm all for progress, but this is going to be one damn expensive console. Just the memory, hard drive and processor alone, not to mention the video card are going to push the price above $300.
I know console makers often sell their boxes at a loss and make it up on the games. But lets face it. MS has a track record of generally shitty games, they really expect to make up for developing the console on games like that?
Exactly what "crappy" products has Intel released? The first-gen Celeron, need I say more?
Find me a SCSI harddrive that can match my Maxtor DiamondMax 20 at the same price (20GB for $150). Didn't think so. The point is not what is cheap and fast now, but what could have been cheap and faster had Intel backed it, with onboard SCSI.
USB 2.0 might not be as good as firewire, but do you really want to pay Apple licensing fees? Firewire is Apple's brand name for the IEEE 1394 open standard, incidentally developed by Apple. Don't want to pay Apple, don't call it Firewire (or i.Link, Sony's interpretation, only lacking supplied power), its still the same thing.
You can't judge a company on marketing speak. Well some people do, and you've got to admit, Intel's PIII="faster internet" promos are about as ridiculous as it gets.
However, you can judge them by the fact that right now, the PIII is the fastest Quake chip. Yep, thats all thats important after all;-)
Actually I think its easier to make undocumented changes on a windows system than a linux system.
Case in point:
Lets make our webserver require authentication for certain directories.
IIS: click a few buttons, done, 10 minutes
Apache: change a config file (10 minutes if you know what you are doing, 60 if you don't)
The point of this illustration is that it requires thought, knowledge AND foresight to make the appropriate modification of a configuration in Linux. In Windows a few random buttons get clicked and some text entered into little boxes.
On what system do you think IT staffers are more likely to make undocumented changes, the one with lots of pretty little buttons or the one with flexible and powerful and occasionaly daunting text-based configuration? On what system is that IT staffer more likely to make documentation as he goes? I think Linux.
Don't come across as arrogant, you may be hot stuff, but if you don't come across as easy to work with, they won't hire you. Even if they really really do need you.
Well, the ability to "shut down" the entire US internet requires that laws are passed forcing EVERY ISP to have the so called "Carnivore" box. Say what you will, but I hardly think thats likely. Perhaps some gov't types out there might want to have this ability but big business which has embraced the internet in recent years is hardly likely to let something like come about without making a lot more then just noise. And we all know who really runs the US government now don't we?
By the way, I just thought I'd mention that "grafting" means a politician (or other powerful figure) using their office and position to recieve money, property and such from people or corporations. Modern laws have stopped most of the more blatant grafting, but there are always loopholes. The term that really should be used is in this case (fault to the original poster) is "piggybacking". This generally means throwing some lesser item that is unlikely to stand on its own into a bill about a bigger issue and hope it slips by relatively unnoticed. Common practice, and this is also why the having the the President's former power of line-item veto was so powerful. He could scratch out particular sections (like piggybacking items) from a bill. Unfortunately (since I think piggybacking is generally undesireable) line-item veto was declared unconstitutional not long ago, forcing the President to consider the entire bill only for veto.
As far as the numbers go, I really haven't a clue;-) sorry
Downloaded software has the same problem that boxed software has, only magnified. People like buying something tangible. In the case of software, bigger boxes somehow make up for this lack. Online software is entirely intangible. It costs the seller absolutely nothing (once their server is set up) for you to download a copy of it. For many, it will be really hard to justify spending $500 to download something like Photoshop online. I don't think we are "slowly moving away from shelf-boxes", we are just seeing growth of online software purchases in addition to growth of boxed software purchases.
True, the theory of thread (or process) scheduling is the same no matter what OS you are talking about. There is little difference between scheduling performance between modern operating systems, they all make tradeoffs here and there and come out about the same. The difference between BeOS and NT and Linux lies in how much of the operating system services are written to be "threaded" or scalable across multiple processors. When one says BeOS is a better SMP OS it is not referring to its ability to schedule threads across multiple processors (which NT and Linux, among others, can do) but rather it refers to other services the OS provides which take advantage of threaded systems. Linux (and NT), from what I understand, is not as capable in this regard as BeOS.
Spyky
BTW, win32 alone doesn't include SMP support, only Windows NT can schedule multiple processors, Win95 and Win98 ignore other processors but provide most of the "win32" APIs.
Actually, its designed as a good OS. Multimedia OS is just something the marketing droids call it because it sounds cool, and its a good niche for a wonderful operating system. BeOS is from the ground up, a beautifully thought out and put-together operating system. I don't believe an open source development process could have created such a result. I also don't believe Micro$oft will ever catch up without completely ditching their entire codebase and starting fresh. Hey they tried to do just that thing with NT (in collaboration with IBM), but we can all see how well that turned out. I don't mean to this to sound like flamebait, so I apologize. I just want to make the point that BeOS is designed as a single user desktop OS with a first rate filing system, process and memory management and a clean interface to boot. That makes it great for writing music or working with graphics or whatever simply because they tax the parts of an OS which BeOS is particularly well designed. BeOS capabilities with different types of media is a result of its design, not the other way around.
I've never tried putting dynamat inside a computer, but i don't know that it will help much. I've used it extensively inside my car, mostly it deadens cheap door panels that vibrate and create noise. I don't think putting this stuff in your computer case is going to silence noisy fans and hard drives. The noise such devices create is pretty high pitched, and well outside of dynamat's optimal dampening range. Dynamat works best with in between frequencies, its fairly ineffective against low base and high treble. In order to really cut down those high pitched sounds, you'd have to enclose the entire PC in a sealed box, but that sort of eliminates the point of fans now doesn't it:-)
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Modern x86es combines the best of the modern RISC chips with the best of the old-style CISC chips (like hardware stacks and more registers)
Not to nitpick, but it is RISC chips that have more registers. I have no idea what you mean by "hardware stacks". Both CISC- and RISC-style processors need stack space, it's just a matter of using internal or external memory storage for the stack. And don't forget that RISC architecture is hardly "modern".
I do agree on one point tho, that the x86 processor is based on a conglomeration of both RISC and CISC schools. As well as an incredible lack of forsight on the part of intel engineers when designing the chip, necessitating a massive amount of extra instructions (and offset registers) in order to make up for it. Most of these operations are fairly well hidden in the later generations of x86 processors, even from the low level programmer. But the fact remains, they are still there. It still works certainly, but it could work faster, and be easier to write assembly code for, if it weren't for this enormous amount of "kludge" (as my professor referred to it) left there from years of workarounds. All to support so-called legacy code.
In short, I wish the x86 were gone and dead, but its not, and its not going to be anytime soon. To quote from the article: "Of course, you can choose to ignore legacy code in your particular project, but there will always be huge money in legacy code support and it will always be essential to the industry". I for one will continue to use x86 to write in C++ and Java, because the underlying architecture is a moot point, but if I have the opportunity to write low level softare, you can be sure that I will favor other architectures. Hopefully one day, Intel will have the balls to really push another architecture, but they know how important legacy support, thats what kept them on top all these years.
Actually I've had transfers up to 100 kilobytes per second while downloading from Gnutella, I've also gotten 0.0 kbytes per second, it all depends who you are downloading from. Yeah Gnutella has some problems, and it could be modified to create less traffic while searching, presumably by timing out. But if any particular file is common enough, then you can probably find someone with a fat pipe to download from.
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True, but thats not the whole story. Your desktop PC or server doesn't need to boot hardly ever. But set-top boxes and other cheap computers probably do. Being able to build a set-top box based on cheap hardware (mass produced Intel/AMD products) that runs a free OS (Linux) and boots really fast is sure to interest more companies in Linux.
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We definitely need a bill like this to bring some common sense to the patenting business methods in the (please forgive me for using this term ;-) New Economy.
Unfortunately, we all know how the legislative process works, and its probably not much better than the patent process. Lets hope Congress as a bit more common sense. Unfortunately this bill is being presented by two Democrats, who are in the minority in both houses this session. I don't think this bill is a partisan issue, but if Republicans are trying to push their own legislative agenda, they might block Democratic bills like this one in order to gain support for their own. That's the way the process works I'm afraid, it ain't pretty.
Basically this bill has a ways to go before we see some useful action, and of course, it will likely not change the status of currently issued patents.
Spyky
I think 10 karma to mod 1 point is too expensive, esp with the karma cap. Other than that, I like your ideas.
Spyky
I've been using Redhat 7 for a few days now. I haven't had any significant problems. Granted I don't have pretty standard and not very new hardware (K6-2, Millenium II...). Installation was a breeze, even cleaner then 6.2.
.0 release, but also consider that RH decided to include a lot of new stuff too, like Xfree86 4.0, new gcc, etc.
.0 release, but oh well. It works fine on my system tho, so I can't complain too much.
However, there have been a few minor glitches that I wonder about. I tried using LinuxConf to set my static IP address, and it wouldn't find the DNS servers (but incoming traffic was fine). Finally I went back to the old Control Panel and used Network config and it worked fine.
I think bugs are to be expected by now in a
I had high hopes that maybe RH would break the trend and not have a buggy
Still the network configuration problem and a few other oddities definitely are starting to make me consider trying something else, like debian perhaps.
Spyky
Case it point, if I had some moderator points, I'd mod this up. This is a really good idea.
However, it does have a lot of potential for abuse. Transferring karma across accounts *will* be a problem. Some can mod up their troll comment, and transfer karma from an account that has high karma to one with low karma, essentially avoiding the karma cap.
Even with its faults its definitely something to consider.
Maybe these sacrificed karma points wouldn't give a karma bonus to the poster of the comment that is modded, thus avoiding potential abuses. However, it doesn't seem entirely fair to the legitimate comment posters, since he won't benefit from all the karma he might normally have recieved.
I really like the idea of karma having more of a use than just a +1 bonus.
Spyky
AMD's first 64-bit chip (Sledghammer) is essentially an x86 chip with some added register bits (a la 386 adding bits to make 32). Hence its backward compatable and everything, but carries along all the troubles of the x86.
:-). AMD's true 64-bit chip is yet to be announced, but most likely will be based on the Alpha IA (since they have made patent exhanges for Alpha technology), and be very different (binary incompatable) from Intels IA-64 architecture.
:-)
If you really want a 64-bit chip, Itanium is the way to go (or get an Alpha now
The funny thing about this, is that it's AMD who is going to be "sqeezing" more (another 32 bits) out of the Intel x86 architecture in the next year or so
Spyky
Another difference between the OEM Live Value and the other Live! cards (MP3, X-Gamer, etc.) is that you can buy the LiveDrive seperately and add it too them, you can't add it to the Live! Value. It makes me very sad :-(
Spyky
Even people with cable modems aren't *constantly* using them, and those who *are* are usually violating their terms of service by running FTP/HTTP servers (and are usually found, and are usually dealt with).
;-)
found and dealt with? Not in my experience, maybe if you run a huge warez sites, but a couple personal sites and some file transfering isn't going to get you "dealt with"
At least not yet. Shhh... Don't tell my cable company
Spyky
Well, if someone sets up a DNS server somewhere with a static IP and runs this NSTX protocol on it, and gives out its IP, then anyone an access the internet through PPP dialups anywhere. No one said the server running the tunnelling protocol has to be YOUR server.
Spyky
I the point of the original posters comment was to say exactly what you just said power isn't defined in any useful way concerning programming languages.
For example, I have to disagree with your, higher-level=more powerful definition, as well as your less-programming-time=more powerful definition. I think the ultimate power tool (besides writing out opcodes by hand) is assembler. My reasoning? You can do ANYTHING in assembler. If you can't do it there, it can't be done. Unfortunately, it sure violates your less-programming-time principle. In terms of what you can accomplish with it (it may not be easy tho') its more powerful then high-level languages.
Spyky
Okay, so shitty was too strong a word, but mostly shitty, and a couple decent games, even a good one like Ages of Empires (sorry, haven't played it) isn't going to make up for what they are going to eat selling the player. Then again I guess M$ has money to burn... :-)
Spyky
I was having a conversation with a friend the other day about gaming consoles over coffee drinks in one of those goofy coffee bars with internet access. The dude next to us joined in our conversation, as we argued whether the X-box was going to kick the PS-2s ass or the other way around.
Basically the consensus of the conversation was that Microsoft lacks a certain ability A) deliver products on time B) deliver products that live up to their hype. We all agreed that the X-Box has some pretty lofty expectations, with that nVidia dream video card, PIII processor, DVD drive and run MS windows something or other. Now they tell us its also going to have a 40GB hard drive, twice as much memory as before! *and* act like a digital video recorder.
Come on. I'm all for progress, but this is going to be one damn expensive console. Just the memory, hard drive and processor alone, not to mention the video card are going to push the price above $300.
I know console makers often sell their boxes at a loss and make it up on the games. But lets face it. MS has a track record of generally shitty games, they really expect to make up for developing the console on games like that?
I'll believe the hype when I see it.
Spyky
Exactly what "crappy" products has Intel released?
;-)
The first-gen Celeron, need I say more?
Find me a SCSI harddrive that can match my Maxtor DiamondMax 20 at the same price (20GB for $150). Didn't think so.
The point is not what is cheap and fast now, but what could have been cheap and faster had Intel backed it, with onboard SCSI.
USB 2.0 might not be as good as firewire, but do you really want to pay Apple licensing fees?
Firewire is Apple's brand name for the IEEE 1394 open standard, incidentally developed by Apple. Don't want to pay Apple, don't call it Firewire (or i.Link, Sony's interpretation, only lacking supplied power), its still the same thing.
You can't judge a company on marketing speak.
Well some people do, and you've got to admit, Intel's PIII="faster internet" promos are about as ridiculous as it gets.
However, you can judge them by the fact that right now, the PIII is the fastest Quake chip.
Yep, thats all thats important after all
Spyky
Actually I think its easier to make undocumented changes on a windows system than a linux system.
Case in point:
Lets make our webserver require authentication for certain directories.
IIS: click a few buttons, done, 10 minutes
Apache: change a config file (10 minutes if you know what you are doing, 60 if you don't)
The point of this illustration is that it requires thought, knowledge AND foresight to make the appropriate modification of a configuration in Linux. In Windows a few random buttons get clicked and some text entered into little boxes.
On what system do you think IT staffers are more likely to make undocumented changes, the one with lots of pretty little buttons or the one with flexible and powerful and occasionaly daunting text-based configuration? On what system is that IT staffer more likely to make documentation as he goes? I think Linux.
Spyky
Don't come across as arrogant, you may be hot stuff, but if you don't come across as easy to work with, they won't hire you. Even if they really really do need you.
Spyky
Well, the ability to "shut down" the entire US internet requires that laws are passed forcing EVERY ISP to have the so called "Carnivore" box. Say what you will, but I hardly think thats likely. Perhaps some gov't types out there might want to have this ability but big business which has embraced the internet in recent years is hardly likely to let something like come about without making a lot more then just noise. And we all know who really runs the US government now don't we?
Spyky
By the way, I just thought I'd mention that "grafting" means a politician (or other powerful figure) using their office and position to recieve money, property and such from people or corporations. Modern laws have stopped most of the more blatant grafting, but there are always loopholes. The term that really should be used is in this case (fault to the original poster) is "piggybacking". This generally means throwing some lesser item that is unlikely to stand on its own into a bill about a bigger issue and hope it slips by relatively unnoticed. Common practice, and this is also why the having the the President's former power of line-item veto was so powerful. He could scratch out particular sections (like piggybacking items) from a bill. Unfortunately (since I think piggybacking is generally undesireable) line-item veto was declared unconstitutional not long ago, forcing the President to consider the entire bill only for veto.
;-) sorry
As far as the numbers go, I really haven't a clue
Spyky
Downloaded software has the same problem that boxed software has, only magnified. People like buying something tangible. In the case of software, bigger boxes somehow make up for this lack. Online software is entirely intangible. It costs the seller absolutely nothing (once their server is set up) for you to download a copy of it. For many, it will be really hard to justify spending $500 to download something like Photoshop online. I don't think we are "slowly moving away from shelf-boxes", we are just seeing growth of online software purchases in addition to growth of boxed software purchases.
Spyky
True, the theory of thread (or process) scheduling is the same no matter what OS you are talking about. There is little difference between scheduling performance between modern operating systems, they all make tradeoffs here and there and come out about the same. The difference between BeOS and NT and Linux lies in how much of the operating system services are written to be "threaded" or scalable across multiple processors. When one says BeOS is a better SMP OS it is not referring to its ability to schedule threads across multiple processors (which NT and Linux, among others, can do) but rather it refers to other services the OS provides which take advantage of threaded systems. Linux (and NT), from what I understand, is not as capable in this regard as BeOS.
Spyky
BTW, win32 alone doesn't include SMP support, only Windows NT can schedule multiple processors, Win95 and Win98 ignore other processors but provide most of the "win32" APIs.
Actually, its designed as a good OS. Multimedia OS is just something the marketing droids call it because it sounds cool, and its a good niche for a wonderful operating system.
BeOS is from the ground up, a beautifully thought out and put-together operating system. I don't believe an open source development process could have created such a result. I also don't believe Micro$oft will ever catch up without completely ditching their entire codebase and starting fresh. Hey they tried to do just that thing with NT (in collaboration with IBM), but we can all see how well that turned out.
I don't mean to this to sound like flamebait, so I apologize. I just want to make the point that BeOS is designed as a single user desktop OS with a first rate filing system, process and memory management and a clean interface to boot. That makes it great for writing music or working with graphics or whatever simply because they tax the parts of an OS which BeOS is particularly well designed. BeOS capabilities with different types of media is a result of its design, not the other way around.
Spyky
I've never tried putting dynamat inside a computer, but i don't know that it will help much. I've used it extensively inside my car, mostly it deadens cheap door panels that vibrate and create noise. I don't think putting this stuff in your computer case is going to silence noisy fans and hard drives. The noise such devices create is pretty high pitched, and well outside of dynamat's optimal dampening range. Dynamat works best with in between frequencies, its fairly ineffective against low base and high treble. :-)
In order to really cut down those high pitched sounds, you'd have to enclose the entire PC in a sealed box, but that sort of eliminates the point of fans now doesn't it
Spyky
Modern x86es combines the best of the modern RISC chips with the best of the old-style CISC chips (like hardware stacks and more registers)
Not to nitpick, but it is RISC chips that have more registers. I have no idea what you mean by "hardware stacks". Both CISC- and RISC-style processors need stack space, it's just a matter of using internal or external memory storage for the stack. And don't forget that RISC architecture is hardly "modern".
I do agree on one point tho, that the x86 processor is based on a conglomeration of both RISC and CISC schools. As well as an incredible lack of forsight on the part of intel engineers when designing the chip, necessitating a massive amount of extra instructions (and offset registers) in order to make up for it. Most of these operations are fairly well hidden in the later generations of x86 processors, even from the low level programmer. But the fact remains, they are still there. It still works certainly, but it could work faster, and be easier to write assembly code for, if it weren't for this enormous amount of "kludge" (as my professor referred to it) left there from years of workarounds. All to support so-called legacy code.
In short, I wish the x86 were gone and dead, but its not, and its not going to be anytime soon. To quote from the article: "Of course, you can choose to ignore legacy code in your particular project, but there will always be huge money in legacy code support and it will always be essential to the industry". I for one will continue to use x86 to write in C++ and Java, because the underlying architecture is a moot point, but if I have the opportunity to write low level softare, you can be sure that I will favor other architectures. Hopefully one day, Intel will have the balls to really push another architecture, but they know how important legacy support, thats what kept them on top all these years.
Spyky
Actually I've had transfers up to 100 kilobytes per second while downloading from Gnutella, I've also gotten 0.0 kbytes per second, it all depends who you are downloading from. Yeah Gnutella has some problems, and it could be modified to create less traffic while searching, presumably by timing out. But if any particular file is common enough, then you can probably find someone with a fat pipe to download from.
Spyky
True, but thats not the whole story. Your desktop PC or server doesn't need to boot hardly ever. But set-top boxes and other cheap computers probably do. Being able to build a set-top box based on cheap hardware (mass produced Intel/AMD products) that runs a free OS (Linux) and boots really fast is sure to interest more companies in Linux.
Spyky
So... can one appeal a Supreme Court ruling if/when it gets there? Or is that why it's called "Supreme"?
No it can't be appealed past the Supreme Court, thats exactly the point, thats why this is a victory for M$; delay, delay, delay.
Spyky
75 posts and no "imagine a beowulf of these" yet ;-) Well here it is.
Spyky