There are fertile mules, and at least one kind of tiger/lion hybrid also produces some fertile offspring. (The other is suspected to as well, but this has never been observed.) It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
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According to who? Indymedia or some other yellow joural? Most of the times that I hear that attack being made, it's by people who are so caught up in their hatred of America that they cannot make a rational attack on our policies (policies such as giving financial and military aid to other countries -out of our own pockets, I might add!).
Actually by almost anyone who isn't Fox. Shall we look at the list?
Fox's report that we had found a chemical weapons site in Iraq? The one that turned out to be a civilian pesticide facility? Reported (quietly) on CNN among others?
How about the atomic weapons facility discovered by the Marines? Yeah, that would be the one that the UN and the IAEA already knew about, and had already sealed off.... because it had already had the shit bombed out of it ten years earlier. Again, light reporting in CNN and MSNBC among others. (But only light. Don't make waves because Fox Never Makes Mistakes.)
Oh but we found the mobile weapons labs! (Not according to the UN....)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/912073.asp
But... but... but.... there's those chemical warheads the military found!!!! (Not according to the military, who had never heard of them.)
Fox makes statements. They let other people worry about the retractions.
The fact they won the case obviously would over ride any spacious allegations of 'lying'.
Pay attention or I'll have Sister Mary Pain get out her ruler.
There was no court victory that said they didn't lie. Respond to the acutal point that was made. They won a case where they ADMITTED THEY WERE LYING and had the chutzpah to not have a problem with it. Their case was based on the idea that there was no specific law saying that the press had to tell the truth. The court, regrettably, agreed with them.
I commend you for finally coming out of AC mode and standing behind your statements. Even if they are far too ad-hominem [sp?] for most reasonable people's tastes.
I'm not coming out of anything. I never use AC mode. This was my first posting on this topic. (For that matter, my first posting on any topic for a while. This was the first that interested me enough to respond.) But then aren't unfounded accusations of AC mode a form of ad hominem?
You were discussing trolls somewhere, yes?
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FYI, they have a news channel that you may be interested in, as well.;)
This wouldn't be the same 'news' channel that has so little journalistic integrity that they're currently whoring themselves out to the current administration as nothing more than an unofficially recognized propaganda ministry, would it?
You know... the 'news' channel that's been caught in repeated misstatements about the current US military action and has in fact recently won a court case stating that there was nothing explicitly illegal about knowingly lying to their viewers?
Having a 'consensus builder' in this job would be a good thing. EXCEPT that the other side has no valid or legitimate position.
I refuse to accept a consensus with evil.
How about we come to a 'consensus' with spammers? 'Well we'll only send you ads we think you want.'
How about with abortion clinic bombers? 'Well we'll be more careful about which buildings we bomb.'
How about with technophobes? 'Well... you can research this but you can't do any actual experiments or release actual products.'
Let's not just have a knee-jerk reaction that 'consensus is good.' It isn't always. Consensus is good when it accomodates people who have reasonable goals and expectations. The Gestapo doesn't fall under this category.
And take it to the end goal, work and economic pressures as we understand them disappear.
With mature nanotech and mature AI, we no longer need to work to support ourselves. What jobs have to be done can be automated. Nanotech can be used to provide for peoples' needs. The whole 'struggle hunt fight kill and be killed' mentality can be left in the trashcan of history where it belongs.
Guess what will bring us this future? Materialism. Materialistic science is what will get the RESULTS that will provide these technologies. Go off and ponder spirituality if you must.... but for that matter you might just as well go masturbate. It'll accomplish about the same amount.
Strawbale lasts for a long time as well.... probably not as long as cob... (time will tell... there are cob structures that are over 400 years old... strawbale hasn't been around that long.)
Myself I'd like to mix the two. The ONE drawback is a basement. You can't bury cob... and while people have buried strawbale I don't trust it myself.
Unless things in Australia have changed in the past two months, you can get skilled immigration status without having a job offer. Just have the right skills and experience and they'll let you move right over and start the process of becoming an Australian citizen. Or you can get a sponsored job offer and stay indefinitely.
Slight problem here:
I don't WANT to be a citizen. I don't want to permanently leave this country, just work for a few years. (Green Card/Temporary Migrant Worker.) For that? You can work three months at a stretch. Then three months off. Which means three months of no income in a country I'm not a citizen of.
Not a terribly attractive option I'm afraid.
The point of the OP is that for foreigners coming to the states, coming here to work isn't all that much more difficult than it would be for me to move to another state. (It's more difficult, but not dramatically so.) For other countries? The barriers are generally deal killers.
It would be very nice if other nations would extend the same courtesy to OUR nationals that we extend to theirs.
Fortunately not everyone is an arrogant, boorish twit who's sole claim to success is 'being in the right place at the right time,' who then refuses to accept that fact.
I guess the rest of us poor plebes will just have to carry on..... working our asses off while you superior ubermensch types take credit for random chances.
You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you, or hasn't had everything handed to them is somehow 'whining.'
You're through because you have no argument. Just baseless attacks. In that sense you've been through since your first post.... you just didn't realize it.
Have a nice life asshole.... Just remember when you actually have to start working for your success that some of us have had to do that from the start.
Of course it's not nearly as difficult to get jobs in other countries when you already work for a multinat.... and I'm sure that 'full time' job at MS kept you so busy... what with their vacation plan, sabbatical and other benefits.
We should all go work for Microsoft then! Won't that be FUN?!?!?!?!?
I believe the term I'm looking for here is.... 'festering troll.'
Funny how when it's someone else it's always 'excuses' and other garbage.
Your 'advice?' 'Well WRITE A BOOK LOSER!!!!!!!!'
Yes.... holding down a real job I have SO much time for that.
I shouldn't be feeding the troll... but I simply can't help myself.
You've been abusive and antagonistic from the beginning. Invective, insults and antagonism seem to be your forte. If you're an American working abroad, anti-American feeling in other countries becomes so much easier to understand...
You have nothing USEFUL to contribute, so you spew Libertarian rhetoric (whether you admit to being one or not....) and personal insults on the assumption that 'if you don't have facts, volume will compensate.'
No, you allow your own prejudices to color your perceptions and spew invective to cover your position.
Your assumptions have no relevance to reality. This isn't about MY ability to do my job.... (I think I smell a Libertarian here.... does anybody else?) It's about the laws in other nations that limit my ability to work there because THEY protect their workers in a way that WE don't.
But oh, I forgot. Anyone who doesn't get opportunity dropped in their lap and then decide that they've 'built their own life on their own' is just whining. My bad.
Tell you what.... when I'm able to I will... I happen to BE currently looking at it. (And New Zealand is one of the few countries where I can actually do it.)
Where else have I looked? Australia, the Netherlands, England, various other countries in Europe as well.
Since I don't have three years salary saved up to live off of.... none of those are an option.
Possibly you could explain why you're so defensive on this subject?
Yet another ingorant rant from the cluelessly deluded.
Exactly which part of the employment regs in most countries am I wrong about?
I justify my own employment in the states just fine thanks.... oh and thanks for making the assumptions. After all... it's not as if your own accomplishments can make you feel good.... much better to drag down someone else who has a justifiable complaint.
By the way... 'Hawaii' doesn't count as overseas.
Nor does Guam. Or any other commonwealth/protectorate nation.
I'm getting a little tired of the attiude I see from so many that we should either 'just suck it up and deal with it' or 'move.'
Tell you what.... when it's as easy for me to go to another country and work as it is for foreigners to come HERE and work for peanuts.... then maybe I'll think about not complaining about it.
As it is, I'm competing with foreign workers, college educated (at no cost to themselves generally, or they're from one of the few wealthy families in their home region,) who are willing to do the same job for less money because they don't care about having an american standard of living even tho they're living in america, and they aren't as deep in debt as I am from student loans.
Know what? I'd love to spend a few years working in another country. Australia? Yeah.... I can work for three months at a time. Most of Europe? I have to either be independantly wealthy... (be able to prove I can support myself for a given number of months) or have a business to start up. (No.... websites don't count.)
People are bitching about 'protectionism' a lot on this thread... but none of them ever seem to mention the protectionist policies of OTHER COUNTRIES.
When I actually CAN 'follow the jobs' the way people from other countries can, we can talk.
Um... you're aware that VX was originally intended to be a pesticide?
It was never USED as one because people realized how lethal it was....
The trend over the past 150 years has been to come up with less costly and more attractive chemical agents. As long as something isn't immediately and obviously lethal, harm to the consumer has been largely secondary. It's nice if a product doesn't kill you.... but as long as your sickness/death can't be conclusively traced back to a given product, 'how much' is by far the more important concern from the standpoint of the producer.
Yea, but it is a natural chemical, and therefore is obviously safe. Just like hemlock, rattlesnack venom, radon, and cyanide.
Allow me to cut through the general ignorance on this subject.
Yes, people who talk about 'natrual substances' sometimes go a bit overboard... (particularly marijuana apologists...) However, there IS a point here. Hemlock, rattlesnack (sic) venom, radon and cyanide are all quite toxic. Nobody's claiming they aren't. However.... Look at how much venom is in your average rattlesnake bite?
Yeah.... try injecting yourself with that much Sarin... or VX. You'd be dead in a few seconds... compared to the rattlesnake bite where you have a reasonably good chance of not dying at all.
The thing about 'natrual' toxic substances is that our bodies have developed around their presence for about 3.5 million years. Our systems have at least SOME idea of how to get rid of them... and in cases where we can't get rid of them our bodies can frequently cope.
The other thing to remember is that in the case of housing you're talking about something medical science really isn't set up to look for... low level exposure over (frequently) decades of time. The classic 'double blind study' attempts to simulate this (badly) by exposing test subjects to massive amounts of the material being studied. (Look at the EPA's 'second hand smoke' study... which ended up being roundly debunked after the PR damage was already done.)
It's actually rather frightening how many times I've heard that exact rationalization from fundamentalists.... then when I switch it around and say 'He's the Fuherer.... he can do anything he wants' they either splutter and rationalize a lot or they get all pissy and claim 'but THAT'S different!!!!'
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There are fertile mules, and at least one kind of tiger/lion hybrid also produces some fertile offspring. (The other is suspected to as well, but this has never been observed.) It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
Actually by almost anyone who isn't Fox. Shall we look at the list?
Fox's report that we had found a chemical weapons site in Iraq? The one that turned out to be a civilian pesticide facility? Reported (quietly) on CNN among others?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/07/sprj.irq .chemical.find/index.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/912045.asp
How about the atomic weapons facility discovered by the Marines? Yeah, that would be the one that the UN and the IAEA already knew about, and had already sealed off.... because it had already had the shit bombed out of it ten years earlier. Again, light reporting in CNN and MSNBC among others. (But only light. Don't make waves because Fox Never Makes Mistakes.)
Oh but we found the mobile weapons labs! (Not according to the UN....)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/912073.asp
But... but... but.... there's those chemical warheads the military found!!!! (Not according to the military, who had never heard of them.)
Fox makes statements. They let other people worry about the retractions.
The fact they won the case obviously would over ride any spacious allegations of 'lying'.
Pay attention or I'll have Sister Mary Pain get out her ruler.
There was no court victory that said they didn't lie. Respond to the acutal point that was made. They won a case where they ADMITTED THEY WERE LYING and had the chutzpah to not have a problem with it. Their case was based on the idea that there was no specific law saying that the press had to tell the truth. The court, regrettably, agreed with them.
I commend you for finally coming out of AC mode and standing behind your statements. Even if they are far too ad-hominem [sp?] for most reasonable people's tastes.
I'm not coming out of anything. I never use AC mode. This was my first posting on this topic. (For that matter, my first posting on any topic for a while. This was the first that interested me enough to respond.) But then aren't unfounded accusations of AC mode a form of ad hominem?
You were discussing trolls somewhere, yes?
This wouldn't be the same 'news' channel that has so little journalistic integrity that they're currently whoring themselves out to the current administration as nothing more than an unofficially recognized propaganda ministry, would it?
You know... the 'news' channel that's been caught in repeated misstatements about the current US military action and has in fact recently won a court case stating that there was nothing explicitly illegal about knowingly lying to their viewers?
Who's the troll again?
I actually thought of several others after I posted that but you get the idea... ;)
I refuse to accept a consensus with evil.
How about we come to a 'consensus' with spammers? 'Well we'll only send you ads we think you want.'
How about with abortion clinic bombers? 'Well we'll be more careful about which buildings we bomb.'
How about with technophobes? 'Well... you can research this but you can't do any actual experiments or release actual products.'
Let's not just have a knee-jerk reaction that 'consensus is good.' It isn't always. Consensus is good when it accomodates people who have reasonable goals and expectations. The Gestapo doesn't fall under this category.
Let them go off somewhere by themselves and do it. It's not in the rest of our best interest, and should be discarded if there's another way.
With mature nanotech and mature AI, we no longer need to work to support ourselves. What jobs have to be done can be automated. Nanotech can be used to provide for peoples' needs. The whole 'struggle hunt fight kill and be killed' mentality can be left in the trashcan of history where it belongs.
Guess what will bring us this future? Materialism. Materialistic science is what will get the RESULTS that will provide these technologies. Go off and ponder spirituality if you must.... but for that matter you might just as well go masturbate. It'll accomplish about the same amount.
No.... 'DVD's' is a plural noun, but the act of downloading them is singular. Hence is rather than are.
Myself I'd like to mix the two. The ONE drawback is a basement. You can't bury cob... and while people have buried strawbale I don't trust it myself.
Then explain something.... why isn't H1B being 'reciprocated?'
Slight problem here:
I don't WANT to be a citizen. I don't want to permanently leave this country, just work for a few years. (Green Card/Temporary Migrant Worker.) For that? You can work three months at a stretch. Then three months off. Which means three months of no income in a country I'm not a citizen of.
Not a terribly attractive option I'm afraid.
The point of the OP is that for foreigners coming to the states, coming here to work isn't all that much more difficult than it would be for me to move to another state. (It's more difficult, but not dramatically so.) For other countries? The barriers are generally deal killers.
It would be very nice if other nations would extend the same courtesy to OUR nationals that we extend to theirs.
Fortunately not everyone is an arrogant, boorish twit who's sole claim to success is 'being in the right place at the right time,' who then refuses to accept that fact.
I guess the rest of us poor plebes will just have to carry on..... working our asses off while you superior ubermensch types take credit for random chances.
You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you, or hasn't had everything handed to them is somehow 'whining.'
You're through because you have no argument. Just baseless attacks. In that sense you've been through since your first post.... you just didn't realize it.
Have a nice life asshole.... Just remember when you actually have to start working for your success that some of us have had to do that from the start.
Yes... you 'da man. We all bow before your might.
Of course it's not nearly as difficult to get jobs in other countries when you already work for a multinat.... and I'm sure that 'full time' job at MS kept you so busy... what with their vacation plan, sabbatical and other benefits.
We should all go work for Microsoft then! Won't that be FUN?!?!?!?!?
I believe the term I'm looking for here is.... 'festering troll.'
Your 'advice?' 'Well WRITE A BOOK LOSER!!!!!!!!'
Yes.... holding down a real job I have SO much time for that.
I shouldn't be feeding the troll... but I simply can't help myself.
You've been abusive and antagonistic from the beginning. Invective, insults and antagonism seem to be your forte. If you're an American working abroad, anti-American feeling in other countries becomes so much easier to understand...
You have nothing USEFUL to contribute, so you spew Libertarian rhetoric (whether you admit to being one or not....) and personal insults on the assumption that 'if you don't have facts, volume will compensate.'
Your assumptions have no relevance to reality. This isn't about MY ability to do my job.... (I think I smell a Libertarian here.... does anybody else?) It's about the laws in other nations that limit my ability to work there because THEY protect their workers in a way that WE don't.
But oh, I forgot. Anyone who doesn't get opportunity dropped in their lap and then decide that they've 'built their own life on their own' is just whining. My bad.
Where else have I looked? Australia, the Netherlands, England, various other countries in Europe as well.
Since I don't have three years salary saved up to live off of.... none of those are an option.
Possibly you could explain why you're so defensive on this subject?
Exactly which part of the employment regs in most countries am I wrong about?
I justify my own employment in the states just fine thanks.... oh and thanks for making the assumptions. After all... it's not as if your own accomplishments can make you feel good.... much better to drag down someone else who has a justifiable complaint.
By the way... 'Hawaii' doesn't count as overseas.
Nor does Guam. Or any other commonwealth/protectorate nation.
Tell you what.... when it's as easy for me to go to another country and work as it is for foreigners to come HERE and work for peanuts.... then maybe I'll think about not complaining about it.
As it is, I'm competing with foreign workers, college educated (at no cost to themselves generally, or they're from one of the few wealthy families in their home region,) who are willing to do the same job for less money because they don't care about having an american standard of living even tho they're living in america, and they aren't as deep in debt as I am from student loans.
Know what? I'd love to spend a few years working in another country. Australia? Yeah.... I can work for three months at a time. Most of Europe? I have to either be independantly wealthy... (be able to prove I can support myself for a given number of months) or have a business to start up. (No.... websites don't count.)
People are bitching about 'protectionism' a lot on this thread... but none of them ever seem to mention the protectionist policies of OTHER COUNTRIES.
When I actually CAN 'follow the jobs' the way people from other countries can, we can talk.
How many people have built up a resistance to VX?
As I said.... in many cases your body can learn to cope with them.
It was never USED as one because people realized how lethal it was....
The trend over the past 150 years has been to come up with less costly and more attractive chemical agents. As long as something isn't immediately and obviously lethal, harm to the consumer has been largely secondary. It's nice if a product doesn't kill you.... but as long as your sickness/death can't be conclusively traced back to a given product, 'how much' is by far the more important concern from the standpoint of the producer.
Yes, people who talk about 'natrual substances' sometimes go a bit overboard... (particularly marijuana apologists...) However, there IS a point here. Hemlock, rattlesnack (sic) venom, radon and cyanide are all quite toxic. Nobody's claiming they aren't. However.... Look at how much venom is in your average rattlesnake bite?
Yeah.... try injecting yourself with that much Sarin... or VX. You'd be dead in a few seconds... compared to the rattlesnake bite where you have a reasonably good chance of not dying at all.
The thing about 'natrual' toxic substances is that our bodies have developed around their presence for about 3.5 million years. Our systems have at least SOME idea of how to get rid of them... and in cases where we can't get rid of them our bodies can frequently cope.
The other thing to remember is that in the case of housing you're talking about something medical science really isn't set up to look for... low level exposure over (frequently) decades of time. The classic 'double blind study' attempts to simulate this (badly) by exposing test subjects to massive amounts of the material being studied. (Look at the EPA's 'second hand smoke' study... which ended up being roundly debunked after the PR damage was already done.)
Eh.... callate, no hablo alemano, tonto. ;)
Bush doesn't have anything that can manage orbital....
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that......