Actually, it's surprisingly responsive on such old hardware. I wouldn't call it "fast", but for a Pentium with 40MB of RAM, I'd recommend it. Does the video card on that baby have Linux Framebuffer support for (say) a cool boot process like the one from the Linux Progress Patch project?
Unfortunately, my laptop doesn't. I think the video card only has 512K of RAM; I don't know, because I wasn't (and still am not) suicidal enough to throw X on there. However, I did manage to fit glibc, egcs, mysql, and apache on there... a full server in less than 200 MB of space, all running from a laptop! it's insane. I'm a walking UNIX server! : )
Oh, wow... my install went a slight bit easier than that. It turns out that the little machine couldn't handle gunzipping packages in any reasonable amount of time, so I used Slack's default "Setup" program on a workstation to install to a subdirectory, then copied via NFS from that subdirectory to the/mnt directory on the laptop (after booting with just three slack boot disks!). Then again, the laptop came with a XircomII 10Base2 PCMCIA ethernet card, so that made things a lot easier. I wouldn't dare run X on the thing (custom Toshiba, crappy video card, no RAM...) but in 200 MB I've managed to fit a full development environment (glibc, gcc, vi, along with apache, mysql, php4, all on a 2.4.2 kernel) plus other niceties like w3m, pine, and ssh. God, I love that laptop...
Hey, man - I use slack all the time. From a 486 laptop to a dual-P!!! based rackmount server (thanks, dell!), it is seriously (IMHO) the best Linux distro ever.
Have you ever tried to run a Debian installer on a 486 laptop with 8MB of RAM? How about RedHat, or Mandrake? The greatest thing about slack is that it *works*. There's definitely still places left for Slackware - low-end machines that can't handle the latest stuff, and any machine for a user who wants to actually understand Linux, not just use it. Slack taught me a lot about UNIX in general, and I'm going to definitely support whatever Pat does with it.
But the basic point - that licensing costs mean NOTHING in terms of owning a server is compeltely true.
Actually, you're wrong. I work as a web designer/programmer/sysadmin for a small web company (100+ clients, though) and it's a fact that we chose FreeBSD for these reasons (in no particular order):
1 - It's Free, dammit! You just can't beat free.
2 - It's OpenSource(tm). I don't hack the kernel, and I'm not skilled enough to try, but if somebody else does, I get the benefits.
3 - It's stable, fast, and powerful. FreeBSD will beat WindowsNT on the same hardware for *anything* that we, as a web design (and now hosting) company can do. [This means web page serving - apache; databases for our clients pages - mysql; scripting languages for dynamic code - perl, php; file serving - ftp... the list goes on)
Now, if NT had been free, I would have been more inclined to consider it; but I'll be damned if I'm going to try to convince my boss to pay $1500+ for an OS that I *know* isn't as stable, reliable, or fast as a FREE one. So cost doesn't have *much* to do with it, but it does (from time to time) have something to do with these kinds of decisions.
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Actually, Corel's bootloader was a modified version of GRUB. Check it out sometime, it's pretty cool - although I've never been able to install it properly on any of my systems.
Hate to say this since I'm a KDE guy myself... but I talked with the Helix guys at Comdex and they seem to be quite cool. Specifically, I mentioned the Slack problem to them and they kinda groaned, but Aaron came up to me and gave me the following URL:
If you want to go check it out, and if you REALLY want to try out that purty GUI installer, just follow his directions... and soon, you'll have Helix on Slackware. (I'm currently being tempted by the Dark Side - FreeBSD is awfully nice... ; )
Answer. Because the KDE developers don't *make* the packages. The individual OS maintainers are responsible for their packages - so if RedHat doesn't make RPMs, then nobody running RedHat gets RPMs. Pretty simple. If you want Slack packages, then bug Patrick or David and email them. Or even better, use something such as protopkg to build your own packages and submit them. More questions?
that AOL users don't care about a shell, they don't know what a root password is, and thus don't care if it has one, that Gateway is too cheap to spend extra money to make it less attractive, and that AOL didn't take the time to even set permissions, much less restrict them.
Remember, you're not the target audience...
Once again people snag up a consumer device like there is no tommorow. Not realising that the games suck, the graphics don't mean squat when played on the average tv and the dvd functionality is ok at best.
First: Every console has games that suck. PS2 has a lot of games to launch with. That means that logically, several of these games will suck. That does not in any way mean that all of the games do.
Second: The graphics DO mean something, especially to technophiliac nerds like a lot of the slashdot population happens to be. This sucker is THE MOST POWERFUL game machine on the planet right now. It matters to us.
Third: The DVD functionality is just as good, if not better, than any other DVD player that I've seen yet. It supports all of your standard features (multiple audio tracks, subtitles, etc.) as well as nice little extras (component output, optical digital audio output). It's fully DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 compatible as well, as long as you have a digital sound processor. It also happens to be one of the cheapest DVD players with all of these features.
So how does it feel to spend 500.00 on a console, 2 controllers and one game? How does it feel to play the same Madden that has been out on the PSX for years now?
Somehow, your numbers are a little inflated here. The system comes with a controller, and the extra (official Sony-branded) controller is only $35. Games are $50. I have spent about $400 (after TAX) and I have a console, 2 controllers, and a game. You're off by about a 100 bucks. Need a calculater? Start->Programs->Accessories->Calculator.
And I didn't get Madden, either. That game doesn't look so great IMHO. That's why I got Armored Core 2 (plug plug plug plug PLUG!!!).
Somebody sounds a little sore that they didn't get one...
Maybe the X-Box will be an impressive machine (I seriously doubt it; not until version 3.0, anyway) but I'm not at all impressed with the machine from the big N. They're going to release a slower, less powerful machine (Gamecube: 6-12Million Polys/Sec; PS2: 20+Million Polys/Sec) with 5 launch games (opposed to Sony's 15+ - anybody got the number? I forget...) and a weird-ass controller, as well as a proprietary disc format... what's not a joke about this? They might as well roll over, hand out Pokémon stickers for the GameBoy Advance systems, and confine themselves to simply playing a minor role in the future of video games.
I won't even get into how ridiculous I think the X-Box looks at this point (at least Nintendo's shown a real system). It looks to me as if Sony wins, unless Sega pulls something *really* smooth.
I said this in another post, so it might be redundant... but please, look at ALL of the games before you make blanket statements. Not only is Armored Core 2 quite possibly the best mech game ever, but SSX is a great snowboarding game. Come on, guys- what's going on, sour grapes?
The only thing I'm regretting about my PS2 (yes, I got one!!!) is that I don't have a memory card. Armored Core 2 is the BEST game I've played in a long time (but then again, I'm a huge mech combat fan). Sorry, but this game is the reason I bought a PS2. And the Matrix shows up perfectly, especially with the S-Video cable I've got. : )
Were you on the crew? Did you manage special effects? Did you even click on the link? Come on, at least have something to back yourself up with. Cite something, link to something, quote something- but don't go making empty accusations just because you don't agree.
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Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows.
Oh, like in Windows XP?
Actually, it's surprisingly responsive on such old hardware. I wouldn't call it "fast", but for a Pentium with 40MB of RAM, I'd recommend it. Does the video card on that baby have Linux Framebuffer support for (say) a cool boot process like the one from the Linux Progress Patch project?
Unfortunately, my laptop doesn't. I think the video card only has 512K of RAM; I don't know, because I wasn't (and still am not) suicidal enough to throw X on there. However, I did manage to fit glibc, egcs, mysql, and apache on there... a full server in less than 200 MB of space, all running from a laptop! it's insane. I'm a walking UNIX server! : )
Hmm...
Did you mention a real upgrade system with dependency checking?
Open mouth, insert foot?
Oh, wow... my install went a slight bit easier than that. It turns out that the little machine couldn't handle gunzipping packages in any reasonable amount of time, so I used Slack's default "Setup" program on a workstation to install to a subdirectory, then copied via NFS from that subdirectory to the /mnt directory on the laptop (after booting with just three slack boot disks!). Then again, the laptop came with a XircomII 10Base2 PCMCIA ethernet card, so that made things a lot easier. I wouldn't dare run X on the thing (custom Toshiba, crappy video card, no RAM...) but in 200 MB I've managed to fit a full development environment (glibc, gcc, vi, along with apache, mysql, php4, all on a 2.4.2 kernel) plus other niceties like w3m, pine, and ssh. God, I love that laptop...
Hey, man - I use slack all the time. From a 486 laptop to a dual-P!!! based rackmount server (thanks, dell!), it is seriously (IMHO) the best Linux distro ever.
Have you ever tried to run a Debian installer on a 486 laptop with 8MB of RAM? How about RedHat, or Mandrake? The greatest thing about slack is that it *works*. There's definitely still places left for Slackware - low-end machines that can't handle the latest stuff, and any machine for a user who wants to actually understand Linux, not just use it. Slack taught me a lot about UNIX in general, and I'm going to definitely support whatever Pat does with it.
But the basic point - that licensing costs mean NOTHING in terms of owning a server is compeltely true.
Actually, you're wrong. I work as a web designer/programmer/sysadmin for a small web company (100+ clients, though) and it's a fact that we chose FreeBSD for these reasons (in no particular order):
1 - It's Free, dammit! You just can't beat free.
2 - It's OpenSource(tm). I don't hack the kernel, and I'm not skilled enough to try, but if somebody else does, I get the benefits.
3 - It's stable, fast, and powerful. FreeBSD will beat WindowsNT on the same hardware for *anything* that we, as a web design (and now hosting) company can do. [This means web page serving - apache; databases for our clients pages - mysql; scripting languages for dynamic code - perl, php; file serving - ftp... the list goes on)
Now, if NT had been free, I would have been more inclined to consider it; but I'll be damned if I'm going to try to convince my boss to pay $1500+ for an OS that I *know* isn't as stable, reliable, or fast as a FREE one. So cost doesn't have *much* to do with it, but it does (from time to time) have something to do with these kinds of decisions.
Hmmm... do you have a Win2K box anywhere?
Start->Run... (or Windows key + R)
C:\WINNT\System32\dvdplay.exe
I'm seeing a DVD player. Ugly as sin, but it's a DVD player. Now, to get back on my KDE box before I get infected or something...
How did it feel to be assimilated? Would you prefer to be an individual, or are you happy as a part of the Hive?
Linus Torvalds wrote Linux.
Linux runs on Macs.
Macs are produced by Apple.
Steve Jobs is the president of Apple.
Anybody else want to try it? ; )
Actually, Corel's bootloader was a modified version of GRUB. Check it out sometime, it's pretty cool - although I've never been able to install it properly on any of my systems.
Hate to say this since I'm a KDE guy myself... but I talked with the Helix guys at Comdex and they seem to be quite cool. Specifically, I mentioned the Slack problem to them and they kinda groaned, but Aaron came up to me and gave me the following URL:
http://primates.helixcode.com/~aaron/slack.html
If you want to go check it out, and if you REALLY want to try out that purty GUI installer, just follow his directions... and soon, you'll have Helix on Slackware. (I'm currently being tempted by the Dark Side - FreeBSD is awfully nice... ; )
Answer. Because the KDE developers don't *make* the packages. The individual OS maintainers are responsible for their packages - so if RedHat doesn't make RPMs, then nobody running RedHat gets RPMs. Pretty simple. If you want Slack packages, then bug Patrick or David and email them. Or even better, use something such as protopkg to build your own packages and submit them. More questions?
lol - too realistic? perhaps all of the soldiers who died in the war should have died a little bit less realistically to protect our freedoms, eh?
::sighs::
Show me the source, biatch!
Until I can see it, it doesn't exist.
-Chris
heh... no, technically, it's probably your dad's email client. ::ducks::
whooops...
that AOL users don't care about a shell, they don't know what a root password is, and thus don't care if it has one, that Gateway is too cheap to spend extra money to make it less attractive, and that AOL didn't take the time to even set permissions, much less restrict them.
Remember, you're not the target audience...
Once again people snag up a consumer device like there is no tommorow. Not realising that the games suck, the graphics don't mean squat when played on the average tv and the dvd functionality is ok at best.
First: Every console has games that suck. PS2 has a lot of games to launch with. That means that logically, several of these games will suck. That does not in any way mean that all of the games do.
Second: The graphics DO mean something, especially to technophiliac nerds like a lot of the slashdot population happens to be. This sucker is THE MOST POWERFUL game machine on the planet right now. It matters to us.
Third: The DVD functionality is just as good, if not better, than any other DVD player that I've seen yet. It supports all of your standard features (multiple audio tracks, subtitles, etc.) as well as nice little extras (component output, optical digital audio output). It's fully DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 compatible as well, as long as you have a digital sound processor. It also happens to be one of the cheapest DVD players with all of these features.
So how does it feel to spend 500.00 on a console, 2 controllers and one game? How does it feel to play the same Madden that has been out on the PSX for years now?
Somehow, your numbers are a little inflated here. The system comes with a controller, and the extra (official Sony-branded) controller is only $35. Games are $50. I have spent about $400 (after TAX) and I have a console, 2 controllers, and a game. You're off by about a 100 bucks. Need a calculater? Start->Programs->Accessories->Calculator.
And I didn't get Madden, either. That game doesn't look so great IMHO. That's why I got Armored Core 2 (plug plug plug plug PLUG!!!).
Somebody sounds a little sore that they didn't get one...
Maybe the X-Box will be an impressive machine (I seriously doubt it; not until version 3.0, anyway) but I'm not at all impressed with the machine from the big N. They're going to release a slower, less powerful machine (Gamecube: 6-12Million Polys/Sec; PS2: 20+Million Polys/Sec) with 5 launch games (opposed to Sony's 15+ - anybody got the number? I forget...) and a weird-ass controller, as well as a proprietary disc format... what's not a joke about this? They might as well roll over, hand out Pokémon stickers for the GameBoy Advance systems, and confine themselves to simply playing a minor role in the future of video games.
I won't even get into how ridiculous I think the X-Box looks at this point (at least Nintendo's shown a real system). It looks to me as if Sony wins, unless Sega pulls something *really* smooth.
I said this in another post, so it might be redundant... but please, look at ALL of the games before you make blanket statements. Not only is Armored Core 2 quite possibly the best mech game ever, but SSX is a great snowboarding game. Come on, guys- what's going on, sour grapes?
The only thing I'm regretting about my PS2 (yes, I got one!!!) is that I don't have a memory card. Armored Core 2 is the BEST game I've played in a long time (but then again, I'm a huge mech combat fan). Sorry, but this game is the reason I bought a PS2. And the Matrix shows up perfectly, especially with the S-Video cable I've got. : )
-Chris
But it's still not as bad as Best Buy.
; )
Were you on the crew? Did you manage special effects? Did you even click on the link? Come on, at least have something to back yourself up with. Cite something, link to something, quote something- but don't go making empty accusations just because you don't agree.
Come on, that's not a real movie; they didn't even *have* computers when they made that one! ::ducks::
I didn't know that, but still- as far as recent movies go, Titanic has been the most wildly popular in our time.
And I quote:
"Basically any 3D rendering was quite likely to have been done on the FreeBSD machines (we can't say exactly what because CPUs are allocated automatically from a pool via a queuing system). This includes things like the big completely CG view of the foetus fields or the shots of the Nebuchadnezzar and its environment."
(in classic reference to The Matrix, of course.)
Also notable: the single BIGGEST movie in Hollywood, ever, as much as we hate to admit it...
When "Titanic" opened on Dec. 19, 1997, Linux developers rejoiced. Not because the movie proved how bad an actor Leonardo Di Caprio was but because the Titanic owed its existence to the Linux operating system -- specifically, the 105 Linux servers that crunched numbers in the backroom of the offices of special-effects company Digital Domain.
In reference to Titanic, which, IIRC, was the single most-money-grossing movie in Hollywood's history ever. Thanks in no small part to Open Source.
No, but you can embed GTK apps into KDE apps. : )
Just email Simon and ask him for that tarball.