Yes text log files are very handy, and just like with SysV you can run syslog on top of systemd just like you did before when you ran syslog on top of SysV. Amazing isn't it!
Then your wasting even more space by keeping both binary and ascii logfiles on the same system. One of the key reasons that someone put forth to have them in the first place. Binary logfiles are smaller than ascii. Which is a case I'm not really sure of any way. But now you have both the binary AND the ascii files now thus completely negating one reason to have them in the first place.
I want even bother to talk about having two systems in place anyway. Just skip the whole thing and do away with the one that nobody really wants in the first place.
yes, so export the binary file to text files.. not difficult
A completely unnecessary step.
An one that might be impossible if the server has promptly stuck its thumb up its ass and won't boot. Then add that you are a junior system admin that doesnt' know how to do that. But you know enough to boot the system with a rescue disk so you can mount the drive and then ftp the log files some place where you can mail them to your boss at 2 am. Who might just reach through the network and strangle you because you took down his porn server anyway.
Not everything speaks binary log files, but just about everything speaks ascii. Log files are in ascii on purpose. So you can read them with the minimal tools and not have to fight the system to get to them.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. That applies to binary log files.
Exactly. Text log files allow you to pull them off the damaged system and examine them on another system. Many times the system that you have to examine them on won't be a linux system. The other day I had to examine a log file that my co worker sent to me on my phone.
If it had been a binary log file, I would have had to get off the toilet, get dress, and find a compatible system to decode the log files on. Maybe even spin up a VM to do it in.
I was able to tell her the boot params to boot up the box with out leaving my seat. Fuck binary log files.
Oh horse shit! Binary logs are the biggest crock of shit to blow out someones ass since Windows ME. Pure text log files can be parsed with the same system tools that come with all linux distributions. I'm talking grep, awk, and sed. An you really adventurous, perl.
All the excuses that I've seen for keeping this foul system are bullshit!
This is what I came in here to say. They guy who designed the chip is still alive. Just shoot him a email, phone call, or smoke signals and just ask him.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there is probably a logical reason behind the arrangement and not some conspiracy or something.
Agree'ed. It might be time for someone to test a few nuclear weapons. Time to remind the crazies out there there is some out there bigger than you and possibly a little more crazy.
"The blood of the First Men still flows in the veins of the Starks, and we hold to the belief that the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword"
George R. R. Martin, Game of Thrones
While I am pro death penalty in many cases and a strong believer in hanging I believe the quote above has some merit. If the prosecutors or the judges where required to pull the switch, then I believe we wouldn't have such a rush to impose the death penalty.
I found Claudia Christian's character in B5 far more attractive than I ever found any of the Star Trek chicks. I like strong female characters that know how to handle themselves. I've never seen why people are attracted to Troi and Crusher characters at all.
But I will admit that I did start paying better attention to Voyager after they added that borg set of tits and ass to the show.
The ZFS filesystem from Solaris Unix has some features that ext4 does not, especially filesystem snapshots.
I don't really conceder ZFS to be an experimental fliesystem. I would regard it as a mature and tested file system and I would not have the same issues with someone using it as a specialized file system like I mentioned. But at the same time I wouldn't regard it as a standard file system the same way ext3/ext4 is.
The snapshot feature you mentioned, I admit, would be very handy, but you can achieve the same thing using logical volumes and ext4. Unlike ZFS logical volume management is a standard part of all linux distos. I've not used ZFS so I don't know how complex its snapshot feature is and how it would compare to LVM snapshot feature. Using LVM does add an extra layer of complexities in file system management but if you are using a 3rd party file system then the complexities that lvm adds shouldn't be a problem for someone capable of using ZFS.
Not to get all House Stark or whatever, but execution is a messy business and it does noone any favors to try to minimize that. Anyone crying "its too barbaric" should try to remember that we're ending someone's life here, and that doesnt really change just because you do it in a sterile antiseptic clinical setting.
Speaking of House Stark I was just thinking of that line used in the book.
"If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that,
then perhaps the man does not deserve to die."
I personally think this would be a good thing. If your going to be the one to sentience someone to death, you should be the one pulling the trigger.
Of course, you need a drug with low failure rate, but there are different ways.
I really don't understand why we go through all the trouble come up with some drug or drug cocktail myself. Just hang the bastards and be done with it. We have been doing that way since the dawn of civilization so why change now. Dead is dead.
Of course if we are still having a need for a death penalty I would question how civilized we actually are.
There is a reason to sick to the ext3/4 filesystem as the standard filesystem. Because it is the standard. Almost every filesystem tool in the linux world expects to be working with ext3/ext4. Sure you have special versions for vanity filesystems such as reiser and this one, but most tools expect ext3/ext4. There is nothing wrong with running a specialized filesystem specialized applications such as databases but not as your main default system. And certainly not a damn beta filesystem.
Not off topic but completely on topic. People are doing stupid things with a experimental filesystem and I'm call it what it is. Stupid.
This is a example of some of the mind bogglingly stupid things that linux people do.
What I find funny now is years ago people on this board, myself included, where bashing microsoft for taking known standards and extending them. It was called embrace and extend. Linux at the time was the banner for standards and doing things right.
Now we have a major distro changing from the standard filesystem, ext3/ext4, to what is technically a experimental file system and using as the default install. This is crap that give linux a bad name. Linux will never take the desktop with bone headed decisions such as this.
There is a reason to sick to the ext3/4 filesystem as the standard filesystem. Because it is the standard. Almost every filesystem tool in the linux world expects to be working with ext3/ext4. Sure you have special versions for vanity filesystems such as reiser and this one, but most tools expect ext3/ext4. There is nothing wrong with running a specialized filesystem specialized applications such as databases but not as your main default system. And certainly not a damn beta filesystem.
Of course we are not new to bone head decisions are we when it comes to standards. Like the gnome people deciding that the middle mouse button is no longer important. Something that has been standard in xwindows and unix since it crawled out of the data ooze that spawned it.
I think the BitCoin community is doing a pretty good job of ruining the currency on their own without government help
Of course it is. You just keep right on thinking that. It's doing such a good job that you don't have scams like Mt Gox or other exchanges just vanishing in the night. Naw, nobody is out almost a half a billion dollars because of a poorly run exchange or just outright theft. Damn, skippy its doing a fine job.
Hey, how would you like to buy a bridge? It's in New York state right outside of Brooklyn. Only 400,000 bitcoins.
Screw that. Lets get some real cryptids on there. Lets replace George Washington with a picture of bigfoot. Lincoln place can be taken with a picture of the loch ness monster.
I suppose the Drake Equation isn't complete crap. I still believe as a scientific formula it's pretty useless. But if you poke in numbers to what we know, it can give us some ideal what we can expect. An as someone pointed out as the years go by we might be able to fill in the more answers. But one thing is certain no matter what number we can find the answer to the Drake Equation might always be 1.
As for Drake - even he knew he was whistling in the dark
The Drake equation is crap. There are any number of variables in that can never be known.
L the length of time civilizations release detectable radio signals. Well that can be anything, we will never know the exact answer to that one. For us it could be 100 years. For some other civilization it could be a 1,000. We will never know that.
fi is the fraction of planets that go on to develop life. That will also be another for ever unknown. We only guess at how many plants that will develop intelligent life.
I could go on and on but basically the Drake equation depends completely on numbers that anyone could pull out of their ass. So as a scientific formula its useless.
Can you explain why government oversight didn't stop Lehman brothers? or Bernard Madoff?
Government oversight doesn't always stop things from happening and people find ways around the system. What government oversight and regulations do is put boundaries on things and provide fall back and safety nets. And yes it does make people feel better and restore confidence in the system. Which is what modern economies are based on, faith. People don't have faith in the system and it falls apart.
Yes, government over sight did top the Lehman Brothers and Bernard Madoff. Where is Bernard Madoff now? He is currently incarcerated in a federal prison. What about the Lehman Brothers? The are involved in ongoing litigation involving their affairs. So yes, government oversight did stop them. With the regulations the people involved in these affairs have legal means to attempt to recoup their investments.
With out such regulations the people that lost money in Mt. Gox are screwed. They have no legal recourse to get any of their money back. It is gone. An the people that did it will probably get away with it.
That's an idiotic statement. What if the cost (in terms of money or moral hazzard) of dealing with abusers is less than trying to prevent abuse?
First, please learn how to properly format post if you intent to quote people on/. It uses standard html which any idiot can pick up. Use of the quote tags would be very helpful.
I thought by now it would be obvious to even idiots why a currency, even bitcoins, must have some form of regulation in place. Obviously I was wrong. Here I will explain it to you in a simple concept, I will try not to use big words, but if one confuses you I'm sure someone can explain it to you in small terms.
Regulation will help prevent abuse and will provide some form of protection from the events that happened at Mt Gox. You see, if Mt. Gox had been regulated like a bank when this thief happened then the users could have had some kind of insurance in place.
In other words while the theft still could have occurred, the users wouldn't be out all of their money. As it stands all the users of Mt. Gox are pretty much screwed. With out regulation they have no legal recourse.
Regulation would also help prevent the current freefall that bitcoin values are taking now. With proper regulation and insurance the closing of the Mt. Gox would have had barely, if any, real impact on the value.
So here is the deal. For any currency system to be successful in the long run it has to have something backing it. That can be a physical object such as gold or a the rule of law.
I agree. I still like the idea of bitcoins. I still think there might be a future in it once all the bugs have been gotten out of the system. The reason that we still need the exchange-places is because, like it or not, bitcoin are not a legitimate currency. As long as they are not recognized as one you will all ways need someone willing to take the risk of converting bitcoins in to cash.
People wanted bitcoins to be free from any kind of government oversight or interference. Well that is never going to happen. As long as there is anything acting like money you are going to need some kind of oversight to keep things like this from happening. Bitcoins are a great idea if everyone is on the same level and is honest about it. But not all people are honest.
As we have seen the need for exchanges have turned out to be the weak point in the bitcoin system. Until that need is eliminated or is under some kind of regulation, you will always having someone gaming the system and stealing from other people.
Sounds to me like someone was running a long term con here. Act like a legitimate business for a few years, get people to trust them. Maybe think of them as a bank and a safe place to actually cash, not bitcoins. Then once that trust is built up and you have a nice supply of money sitting in some off shore bank. Vanish like a thief in the night.
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Then your wasting even more space by keeping both binary and ascii logfiles on the same system. One of the key reasons that someone put forth to have them in the first place. Binary logfiles are smaller than ascii. Which is a case I'm not really sure of any way. But now you have both the binary AND the ascii files now thus completely negating one reason to have them in the first place.
I want even bother to talk about having two systems in place anyway. Just skip the whole thing and do away with the one that nobody really wants in the first place.
yes, so export the binary file to text files.. not difficult
A completely unnecessary step.
An one that might be impossible if the server has promptly stuck its thumb up its ass and won't boot. Then add that you are a junior system admin that doesnt' know how to do that. But you know enough to boot the system with a rescue disk so you can mount the drive and then ftp the log files some place where you can mail them to your boss at 2 am. Who might just reach through the network and strangle you because you took down his porn server anyway.
Not everything speaks binary log files, but just about everything speaks ascii. Log files are in ascii on purpose. So you can read them with the minimal tools and not have to fight the system to get to them.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. That applies to binary log files.
Exactly. Text log files allow you to pull them off the damaged system and examine them on another system. Many times the system that you have to examine them on won't be a linux system. The other day I had to examine a log file that my co worker sent to me on my phone.
If it had been a binary log file, I would have had to get off the toilet, get dress, and find a compatible system to decode the log files on. Maybe even spin up a VM to do it in.
I was able to tell her the boot params to boot up the box with out leaving my seat. Fuck binary log files.
Oh horse shit! Binary logs are the biggest crock of shit to blow out someones ass since Windows ME. Pure text log files can be parsed with the same system tools that come with all linux distributions. I'm talking grep, awk, and sed. An you really adventurous, perl.
All the excuses that I've seen for keeping this foul system are bullshit!
This is what I came in here to say. They guy who designed the chip is still alive. Just shoot him a email, phone call, or smoke signals and just ask him.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there is probably a logical reason behind the arrangement and not some conspiracy or something.
Just call it truecrypt and be done with it. The original authors abandoned the project, they don't get to vote on it any more.
Fuck'em
Agree'ed. It might be time for someone to test a few nuclear weapons. Time to remind the crazies out there there is some out there bigger than you and possibly a little more crazy.
"The blood of the First Men still flows in the veins of the Starks, and we hold to the belief that the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword"
George R. R. Martin, Game of Thrones
While I am pro death penalty in many cases and a strong believer in hanging I believe the quote above has some merit. If the prosecutors or the judges where required to pull the switch, then I believe we wouldn't have such a rush to impose the death penalty.
I found Claudia Christian's character in B5 far more attractive than I ever found any of the Star Trek chicks. I like strong female characters that know how to handle themselves. I've never seen why people are attracted to Troi and Crusher characters at all.
But I will admit that I did start paying better attention to Voyager after they added that borg set of tits and ass to the show.
You know one time I did have a good argument against taxing churches. Now for the life of me I can't remember it.
Tax the bastards!
The ZFS filesystem from Solaris Unix has some features that ext4 does not, especially filesystem snapshots.
I don't really conceder ZFS to be an experimental fliesystem. I would regard it as a mature and tested file system and I would not have the same issues with someone using it as a specialized file system like I mentioned. But at the same time I wouldn't regard it as a standard file system the same way ext3/ext4 is.
The snapshot feature you mentioned, I admit, would be very handy, but you can achieve the same thing using logical volumes and ext4. Unlike ZFS logical volume management is a standard part of all linux distos. I've not used ZFS so I don't know how complex its snapshot feature is and how it would compare to LVM snapshot feature. Using LVM does add an extra layer of complexities in file system management but if you are using a 3rd party file system then the complexities that lvm adds shouldn't be a problem for someone capable of using ZFS.
Not to get all House Stark or whatever, but execution is a messy business and it does noone any favors to try to minimize that. Anyone crying "its too barbaric" should try to remember that we're ending someone's life here, and that doesnt really change just because you do it in a sterile antiseptic clinical setting.
Speaking of House Stark I was just thinking of that line used in the book.
"If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die."
I personally think this would be a good thing. If your going to be the one to sentience someone to death, you should be the one pulling the trigger.
Of course, you need a drug with low failure rate, but there are different ways.
I really don't understand why we go through all the trouble come up with some drug or drug cocktail myself. Just hang the bastards and be done with it. We have been doing that way since the dawn of civilization so why change now. Dead is dead.
Of course if we are still having a need for a death penalty I would question how civilized we actually are.
There is a reason to sick to the ext3/4 filesystem as the standard filesystem. Because it is the standard. Almost every filesystem tool in the linux world expects to be working with ext3/ext4. Sure you have special versions for vanity filesystems such as reiser and this one, but most tools expect ext3/ext4. There is nothing wrong with running a specialized filesystem specialized applications such as databases but not as your main default system. And certainly not a damn beta filesystem.
Not off topic but completely on topic. People are doing stupid things with a experimental filesystem and I'm call it what it is. Stupid.
This is a example of some of the mind bogglingly stupid things that linux people do.
What I find funny now is years ago people on this board, myself included, where bashing microsoft for taking known standards and extending them. It was called embrace and extend. Linux at the time was the banner for standards and doing things right.
Now we have a major distro changing from the standard filesystem, ext3/ext4, to what is technically a experimental file system and using as the default install. This is crap that give linux a bad name. Linux will never take the desktop with bone headed decisions such as this.
There is a reason to sick to the ext3/4 filesystem as the standard filesystem. Because it is the standard. Almost every filesystem tool in the linux world expects to be working with ext3/ext4. Sure you have special versions for vanity filesystems such as reiser and this one, but most tools expect ext3/ext4. There is nothing wrong with running a specialized filesystem specialized applications such as databases but not as your main default system. And certainly not a damn beta filesystem.
Of course we are not new to bone head decisions are we when it comes to standards. Like the gnome people deciding that the middle mouse button is no longer important. Something that has been standard in xwindows and unix since it crawled out of the data ooze that spawned it.
Yes he did. I really should have taken that remedial reading class in kindergartner.
I think the BitCoin community is doing a pretty good job of ruining the currency on their own without government help
Of course it is. You just keep right on thinking that. It's doing such a good job that you don't have scams like Mt Gox or other exchanges just vanishing in the night. Naw, nobody is out almost a half a billion dollars because of a poorly run exchange or just outright theft. Damn, skippy its doing a fine job.
Hey, how would you like to buy a bridge? It's in New York state right outside of Brooklyn. Only 400,000 bitcoins.
Not really. Most of us knew it was going to be a failure from the start. Now we can finally put this boondoggle behind us.
Screw that. Lets get some real cryptids on there. Lets replace George Washington with a picture of bigfoot. Lincoln place can be taken with a picture of the loch ness monster.
I suppose the Drake Equation isn't complete crap. I still believe as a scientific formula it's pretty useless. But if you poke in numbers to what we know, it can give us some ideal what we can expect. An as someone pointed out as the years go by we might be able to fill in the more answers. But one thing is certain no matter what number we can find the answer to the Drake Equation might always be 1.
As for Drake - even he knew he was whistling in the dark
The Drake equation is crap. There are any number of variables in that can never be known.
L the length of time civilizations release detectable radio signals. Well that can be anything, we will never know the exact answer to that one. For us it could be 100 years. For some other civilization it could be a 1,000. We will never know that.
fi is the fraction of planets that go on to develop life. That will also be another for ever unknown. We only guess at how many plants that will develop intelligent life.
I could go on and on but basically the Drake equation depends completely on numbers that anyone could pull out of their ass. So as a scientific formula its useless.
Can you explain why government oversight didn't stop Lehman brothers? or Bernard Madoff?
Government oversight doesn't always stop things from happening and people find ways around the system. What government oversight and regulations do is put boundaries on things and provide fall back and safety nets. And yes it does make people feel better and restore confidence in the system. Which is what modern economies are based on, faith. People don't have faith in the system and it falls apart.
Yes, government over sight did top the Lehman Brothers and Bernard Madoff. Where is Bernard Madoff now? He is currently incarcerated in a federal prison. What about the Lehman Brothers? The are involved in ongoing litigation involving their affairs. So yes, government oversight did stop them. With the regulations the people involved in these affairs have legal means to attempt to recoup their investments.
With out such regulations the people that lost money in Mt. Gox are screwed. They have no legal recourse to get any of their money back. It is gone. An the people that did it will probably get away with it.
That's an idiotic statement. What if the cost (in terms of money or moral hazzard) of dealing with abusers is less than trying to prevent abuse?
First, please learn how to properly format post if you intent to quote people on /. It uses standard html which any idiot can pick up. Use of the quote tags would be very helpful.
I thought by now it would be obvious to even idiots why a currency, even bitcoins, must have some form of regulation in place. Obviously I was wrong. Here I will explain it to you in a simple concept, I will try not to use big words, but if one confuses you I'm sure someone can explain it to you in small terms.
Regulation will help prevent abuse and will provide some form of protection from the events that happened at Mt Gox. You see, if Mt. Gox had been regulated like a bank when this thief happened then the users could have had some kind of insurance in place.
In other words while the theft still could have occurred, the users wouldn't be out all of their money. As it stands all the users of Mt. Gox are pretty much screwed. With out regulation they have no legal recourse.
Regulation would also help prevent the current freefall that bitcoin values are taking now. With proper regulation and insurance the closing of the Mt. Gox would have had barely, if any, real impact on the value.
So here is the deal. For any currency system to be successful in the long run it has to have something backing it. That can be a physical object such as gold or a the rule of law.
So again, regulation is a must and not an option.
I agree. I still like the idea of bitcoins. I still think there might be a future in it once all the bugs have been gotten out of the system. The reason that we still need the exchange-places is because, like it or not, bitcoin are not a legitimate currency. As long as they are not recognized as one you will all ways need someone willing to take the risk of converting bitcoins in to cash.
People wanted bitcoins to be free from any kind of government oversight or interference. Well that is never going to happen. As long as there is anything acting like money you are going to need some kind of oversight to keep things like this from happening. Bitcoins are a great idea if everyone is on the same level and is honest about it. But not all people are honest.
As we have seen the need for exchanges have turned out to be the weak point in the bitcoin system. Until that need is eliminated or is under some kind of regulation, you will always having someone gaming the system and stealing from other people.
Regulation is a must, not an option.
Sounds to me like someone was running a long term con here. Act like a legitimate business for a few years, get people to trust them. Maybe think of them as a bank and a safe place to actually cash, not bitcoins. Then once that trust is built up and you have a nice supply of money sitting in some off shore bank. Vanish like a thief in the night.