This is Slashdot, right? I'm sorry, I have to ask because you mentioned the need for CONTENT. This is a 'Happy Birthday' article for Chrissakes you fucking anonymous troll.
Tell me oh great one, just what kind of post were you expecting - I mean other than the shit you spew you fucking waste. Go ahead and reply with a REAL account next time and we'll 'talk'; otherwise have nice big cup of STFU.
"Mr. Yarro, who is also chairman of SCO and led Canopy's lawsuit against Microsoft, argued that his company is not trying to destroy Linux but was simply asserting its intellectual property rights.
"The question is: 'How can we fix this issue and move forward?' " he said. "I'd like to see Linux survive.""
Yes, I'm sure that's 'simply' what he's doing. Well then Mr. Yarro how about simply TELLING everyone where the problems lie so they can be fixed?
Canopy is a bullshit firm designed to do nothing more than be a corporate leech. Man, I'd love to see these guys go down on this...
Don't give me that BS about using 'Power Users' with profiles, etc. That's fine, as long as all of your apps play nice. NOT. There are several apps (newer ones too!) our school depends on that absolutely demand local root access in order for them to function.
Without going to something like SMS or some other kind of desktop lockdown system, a small.org like us is totally screwed. Adding another program to the setup is painful. Due to junkware, I end up rebuilding the labs at a minimum every other month.
This isn't necessarily all MS's fault, btw. But the problem is, Windows wasn't initially designed with security in mind. Instead, convenience took priority and to this day, a lot of Winapp programmers just don't get it. In my limited experience with Linux I can truthfully say that rights seem to be granted properly, i.e., anything that can permanently modify the system requires root access.
Ah, beat me to that bold print! Yes I think there's more then enough proof of SCO's intent to do harm rather than honor the original license.
That one line is the reason why IBM and SGI and others seem unconcerned. SGI and IBM have offered to remedy the situation - and it truly can be said that SGI has done everything possible to do so (with out SCO's help of course), and that's the kicker. SCO has yet to be specific about ANY of their charges. What this request in Deleware means is that for once, they will have to say just what it is they're suing people over.
Funny, you'd think this would be a pretty basic requirement for this sort of thing. Oh well, IANAL.
So.. The State Attorney (Nixon), is sueing this guy in Florida also named Nixon. Should I be confused now? Is this for real? What are the chances if it is?:P
I guess the other point I should've made here is that the more obvious problem is one of convenience. If it's easier to get a friend to burn a copy of that Busta Rhymes CD, or use some Kazaa-like app to get it for free, it can't be near as beneficial for the industry when they had it locked up at the music stores.
Ultimately, the industry will need to appeal to other age groups online as well. There's a good chance that older people will more than make up the difference if it's easy enough to use with not so many stupid restrictions. Time will tell, but in a way, everyone's voting with their feet now.
How will this sort of thing change the industry as it relates to their current target audience ie, kids? Let's face it, most of the music industry today is targeting ages from 13-17.
How are children supposed to get credit cards and go online as easily as popping down to the mall with some extra cash? This means one of two things. Either a way will be found that children will be able to get credit more easily (pay cash by ATM for instance) or the industry will have to move towards a less age-centric approach to their sales.
After all, if I know that I could get some of the obscure Pink Floyd or Supertramp Euro stuff out there online, I'd pay for it. I'm certainly not going to find that sort of thing at your local Circuit City!
We need to actually hear from VALVE on this - not the Euro publisher. The only thing that matters here is VALVE's decision to go forward.
I believe that they must go forward anyway. I fired off an email to ATi to remind them that the only reason why I was interested in upgrading my Radeon 8500 was because of games like HL2. If HL2 isn't coming, I have no real reason to upgrade.
With 6 million dollars on the line and the chance that NVIDIA might actually get their act together in 4 months time (NV40 by then), VALVE will be under mucho pressure by ATi and it's partners to get this out NOW. They do have some options however:
1) There was talk of a mini-game prequel to HL2, a kind of HL 1.5 to be shipped with the ATi cards initially. Perhaps this will be front burnered again.
2) No initial multiplayer support. This could happen. They could release the game in it's current form minus the multiplayer until its re-written.
3) Wait until April. Forget the fans, this will piss off a lot of vendors - although it may bring a major sigh of relief to NIVIDA who is clearly not ready for DX9 gaming yet. Conspiracy theories might suggest that this was the plan all along...
It seems to me that something that can 'faithfully' run xlib stuff 'any way you want it' and embrace XML with 'open arms' deserves a chance. Of course, going 'separate ways' on the Xfree86 compatibility could really put it in the 'line of fire'.
Where is this hotshot lawyer, hmmmmm? Showed up day one - that was it. If this isn't an obvious clue to anyone out there what a scam this is on SCO's part, I don't know what is.
Boies won't be found NEAR SCO, and neither will anyone who has a future career to protect. Darl and his boys will be sipping Pina Coladas soon enough, and maybe that's enough for them.
Please don't delude yourselves that SCO's downfall will in anyway hurt the execs at that hellhole. The people who will be hurt most are the employees, the vendors, the customers, and people like me in the OSS community having raised my BP over this BS.
I'm not nieve enough to believe they'll be any kind of formal justice here - I just want these people and this issue to go away. More importantly, to be permanantly resolved. If this is what it takes, than so be it. Better it happen now than 10 years from now.
Besides, if these exec scumbags live their lives the way they do business they'll be miserable enough for all of us - trust me.
SCO will most definately have to follow up IBM's news with some sort of 1984-ish FUD. Sort of like this stuff:
"Big news! More companies than EVER are purchasing our licenses!"
"You should see our new version of UNiX - it's got SAMBA!"
"All your Linux are belong to us..." etc...
After an annoucement like this, they're going to have to come up with some huge Newspeak-like announcement to get that stock price back up - and quick. Wait for it, Darl can't possibly shut his mouth now.
All we need now are reassurances that all goes well on the Malabar front...
I'd be fun to bring a laptop to the music store and just hang out outside for an afternoon until you blow through all their copies.
Stupid record companies, you'd think they'd actually want to make MONEY or something!
And Nvidia manages to screw up AGAIN!
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OMFG, I can't believe it! I guess non-execution happens all at the same time. Remember when Intel just couldn't seem to do anything right two years ago? Welcome to Hell Nvidia.
The Nforce3 is horribly flawed. No SATA because they couldn't get the bugs out. At least a 33% dip in AGP performance. WTF?
Between this and the GeForce FX debacle someone needs to be SOOoooo fired!
This is it in a nutshell. I LOVE the 'toilet tank' description.:)
Years ago, I had a cable modem and that ISP ran around telling it's users don't do this, stop downloading that, no more than 64K bps in any 3 hour period (as if I could tell Microsoft to stop sending me MSFT CDs so quickly), etc.
But you see, there were no tools to do this then - not even for them. Now I suppose there are, although I haven't actually used them. Are you familiar with the kind of tools that ISPs and users can use to monitor their own usage? I suppose I'm talking about software?
"you mean you never heard of apt-get, urpmi nor pkg-add?"
Certainly.
"This stuff about companies needing sun/redhat/ms/IBM support is nonsense."
Really? So, paying for organized support is nonsense? Hmmm. Doesn't sound too safe or well placed to me. I'd rather have the backing of a company - particularly one that stands behind it's product and makes updates easily available.
Play in a bigger organization with 10's or hundreds of servers and you need to have uniformity and consistancy. It's also good to have someone to lean on when something goes south. Should I be ashamed that I don't have a legion of programmers on staff for that?
And what is this idea that you can apt-get everything for free? Who pays for this bandwidth - and how do they do that? At some point, money has to be taken in for all of this. Having a few hackers here and there coming up with some random patch to an exploit isn't enough to secure my org.
Well, I suppose that if there will never be any more security threats then you'll never need an update, but I suspect that most organizations have thrown up their hands and accepted the fact that every so often, you gotta pay the man.
This doesn't change whether it's Linux, Windows, or Solaris - only the METHOD changes and only you can decide whether you can live with the terms.
Because the truth is - the mainstream press and the general public just don't get it do they? Look at SCO's price right now and tell me that makes any sense whatsoever!
I was reading another article on some pro-MS rag where they actually quoted some PHB as saying that he'd be glad to pay off SCO just to get them to 'lay off' with the legal action. Yeah, like that'll ever happen - this is their BREAD AND BUTTER now!
We here at Slashdot and others in the 'community' might take the time, but the truth is, SCO knows how to spin anything to the general public. As a tactic, it's so much harder to defend an accusation than make 100 more.
*LISTEN*
That's the sound of 'ol Darl(ing) firing up the PR machine again with more outrageous statements. Remember - only the sane occasionally question whether they really are.
Is there any technology they can't let be? Why is it they feel the need to yank the rug from under every single software company out there?
Seriously, Microsoft's megalomania is showing again. Why can't they just be satisfied with just doing one thing WELL instead of muscling their way into everything else and forcing mediocrity wherever they go?
Jeez MS! Why not get the bugs out of Windows first THEN start all these kinds of projects?! The simple fact is - you don't have time for this AND trustworthy computing.
...Now they have to live in it. In a musical era where we have 7 year olds mimicking 'gangstas' and baring belly-buttons ala Brittney Spears, is it any wonder that the music industry's distain for morality has finally caught up to them?
The music industry has always liked to push the envelope encouraging the kids to be rebellious and not to 'take it' from their parents. So now they want to be the heavy? Heh. Doesn't that beat all?
Ever see what happens when a kid hasn't been disciplined through life? When the kid hits 14 and the parents start flipping out because little Zack is doing drugs and ripping off cars? Ever see them try to wrest back control of the kid's life? It's almost impossible by then.
When you've been raised under a certain set of rules - that's the reality you understand. When you build, condone, or at least promote a culture that shows how cool it is to be a gangsta, don't be surprised when those same trained kids rip that gangsta's music; after all, he be in that '64 yo - he don't need the bling.
It's too late to stop what they started already. The rebellion is visiting them now for a change and not just from the kids. Two years ago, very few outside the industry even knew what the RIAA was. I assure you that today, a lot more do now.
Although the VIA/Centaur isn't exactly the fastest thing around, to me that isn't the most limiting factor of the EPIA line.
The abysmally slow onboard 3D graphics are what just really disappoint. I mean, I've built 8 EPIA-based systems but they've always been for use as workstations (Internet browsing), or simply mom and pop kind of computing usage.
Now, take a look at the article. Are those graphics memory slots I see? I know Intel Extreme 2 isn't exactly winning any awards but it's certainly better than the horrid S3 EPIA 3D. That, more than the processor, is what really interests me about this board.
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This is Slashdot, right? I'm sorry, I have to ask because you mentioned the need for CONTENT. This is a 'Happy Birthday' article for Chrissakes you fucking anonymous troll.
Tell me oh great one, just what kind of post were you expecting - I mean other than the shit you spew you fucking waste. Go ahead and reply with a REAL account next time and we'll 'talk'; otherwise have nice big cup of STFU.
It was quite a change for our school to completely move to Open/StarOffice two years ago, but I'm glad we did it now.
Happy Birthday and best wishes!
The real question should be: How can we fix UnixWare's issues and move forward? I'd like to see it survive... Oh wait.
"Mr. Yarro, who is also chairman of SCO and led Canopy's lawsuit against Microsoft, argued that his company is not trying to destroy Linux but was simply asserting its intellectual property rights.
"The question is: 'How can we fix this issue and move forward?' " he said. "I'd like to see Linux survive.""
Yes, I'm sure that's 'simply' what he's doing. Well then Mr. Yarro how about simply TELLING everyone where the problems lie so they can be fixed?
Canopy is a bullshit firm designed to do nothing more than be a corporate leech. Man, I'd love to see these guys go down on this...
And the easiest way to do this is....?
.org like us is totally screwed. Adding another program to the setup is painful. Due to junkware, I end up rebuilding the labs at a minimum every other month.
Don't give me that BS about using 'Power Users' with profiles, etc. That's fine, as long as all of your apps play nice. NOT. There are several apps (newer ones too!) our school depends on that absolutely demand local root access in order for them to function.
Without going to something like SMS or some other kind of desktop lockdown system, a small
This isn't necessarily all MS's fault, btw. But the problem is, Windows wasn't initially designed with security in mind. Instead, convenience took priority and to this day, a lot of Winapp programmers just don't get it. In my limited experience with Linux I can truthfully say that rights seem to be granted properly, i.e., anything that can permanently modify the system requires root access.
Ah, beat me to that bold print! Yes I think there's more then enough proof of SCO's intent to do harm rather than honor the original license.
That one line is the reason why IBM and SGI and others seem unconcerned. SGI and IBM have offered to remedy the situation - and it truly can be said that SGI has done everything possible to do so (with out SCO's help of course), and that's the kicker. SCO has yet to be specific about ANY of their charges. What this request in Deleware means is that for once, they will have to say just what it is they're suing people over.
Funny, you'd think this would be a pretty basic requirement for this sort of thing. Oh well, IANAL.
So.. The State Attorney (Nixon), is sueing this guy in Florida also named Nixon. Should I be confused now? Is this for real? What are the chances if it is? :P
I guess the other point I should've made here is that the more obvious problem is one of convenience. If it's easier to get a friend to burn a copy of that Busta Rhymes CD, or use some Kazaa-like app to get it for free, it can't be near as beneficial for the industry when they had it locked up at the music stores.
Ultimately, the industry will need to appeal to other age groups online as well. There's a good chance that older people will more than make up the difference if it's easy enough to use with not so many stupid restrictions. Time will tell, but in a way, everyone's voting with their feet now.
How will this sort of thing change the industry as it relates to their current target audience ie, kids? Let's face it, most of the music industry today is targeting ages from 13-17.
How are children supposed to get credit cards and go online as easily as popping down to the mall with some extra cash? This means one of two things. Either a way will be found that children will be able to get credit more easily (pay cash by ATM for instance) or the industry will have to move towards a less age-centric approach to their sales.
After all, if I know that I could get some of the obscure Pink Floyd or Supertramp Euro stuff out there online, I'd pay for it. I'm certainly not going to find that sort of thing at your local Circuit City!
We need to actually hear from VALVE on this - not the Euro publisher. The only thing that matters here is VALVE's decision to go forward.
I believe that they must go forward anyway. I fired off an email to ATi to remind them that the only reason why I was interested in upgrading my Radeon 8500 was because of games like HL2. If HL2 isn't coming, I have no real reason to upgrade.
With 6 million dollars on the line and the chance that NVIDIA might actually get their act together in 4 months time (NV40 by then), VALVE will be under mucho pressure by ATi and it's partners to get this out NOW. They do have some options however:
1) There was talk of a mini-game prequel to HL2, a kind of HL 1.5 to be shipped with the ATi cards initially. Perhaps this will be front burnered again.
2) No initial multiplayer support. This could happen. They could release the game in it's current form minus the multiplayer until its re-written.
3) Wait until April. Forget the fans, this will piss off a lot of vendors - although it may bring a major sigh of relief to NIVIDA who is clearly not ready for DX9 gaming yet. Conspiracy theories might suggest that this was the plan all along...
It seems to me that something that can 'faithfully' run xlib stuff 'any way you want it' and embrace XML with 'open arms' deserves a chance. Of course, going 'separate ways' on the Xfree86 compatibility could really put it in the 'line of fire'.
;)
My appologies, a Journey fan...
Where is this hotshot lawyer, hmmmmm? Showed up day one - that was it. If this isn't an obvious clue to anyone out there what a scam this is on SCO's part, I don't know what is.
Boies won't be found NEAR SCO, and neither will anyone who has a future career to protect. Darl and his boys will be sipping Pina Coladas soon enough, and maybe that's enough for them.
Please don't delude yourselves that SCO's downfall will in anyway hurt the execs at that hellhole. The people who will be hurt most are the employees, the vendors, the customers, and people like me in the OSS community having raised my BP over this BS.
I'm not nieve enough to believe they'll be any kind of formal justice here - I just want these people and this issue to go away. More importantly, to be permanantly resolved. If this is what it takes, than so be it. Better it happen now than 10 years from now.
Besides, if these exec scumbags live their lives the way they do business they'll be miserable enough for all of us - trust me.
SCO will most definately have to follow up IBM's news with some sort of 1984-ish FUD. Sort of like this stuff:
"Big news! More companies than EVER are purchasing our licenses!"
"You should see our new version of UNiX - it's got SAMBA!"
"All your Linux are belong to us..." etc...
After an annoucement like this, they're going to have to come up with some huge Newspeak-like announcement to get that stock price back up - and quick. Wait for it, Darl can't possibly shut his mouth now.
All we need now are reassurances that all goes well on the Malabar front...
1) Buy it
2) Test it
3) Return it
4) Repeat
I'd be fun to bring a laptop to the music store and just hang out outside for an afternoon until you blow through all their copies.
Stupid record companies, you'd think they'd actually want to make MONEY or something!
OMFG, I can't believe it! I guess non-execution happens all at the same time. Remember when Intel just couldn't seem to do anything right two years ago? Welcome to Hell Nvidia.
The Nforce3 is horribly flawed. No SATA because they couldn't get the bugs out. At least a 33% dip in AGP performance. WTF?
Between this and the GeForce FX debacle someone needs to be SOOoooo fired!
This is it in a nutshell. I LOVE the 'toilet tank' description. :)
Years ago, I had a cable modem and that ISP ran around telling it's users don't do this, stop downloading that, no more than 64K bps in any 3 hour period (as if I could tell Microsoft to stop sending me MSFT CDs so quickly), etc.
But you see, there were no tools to do this then - not even for them. Now I suppose there are, although I haven't actually used them. Are you familiar with the kind of tools that ISPs and users can use to monitor their own usage? I suppose I'm talking about software?
Anyone?
Thanks!
"There were 2469 documents found. Did you find what you wanted?"
I should say we have.
Linden Hall School converted completely to OOo and StarOffice two years ago and haven't looked back since.
Maybe you should consider your rising taxes and the cost of MS product before blindly recommending our schools continue using it, eh?
"you mean you never heard of apt-get, urpmi nor pkg-add?"
Certainly.
"This stuff about companies needing sun/redhat/ms/IBM support is nonsense."
Really? So, paying for organized support is nonsense? Hmmm. Doesn't sound too safe or well placed to me. I'd rather have the backing of a company - particularly one that stands behind it's product and makes updates easily available.
Play in a bigger organization with 10's or hundreds of servers and you need to have uniformity and consistancy. It's also good to have someone to lean on when something goes south. Should I be ashamed that I don't have a legion of programmers on staff for that?
And what is this idea that you can apt-get everything for free? Who pays for this bandwidth - and how do they do that? At some point, money has to be taken in for all of this. Having a few hackers here and there coming up with some random patch to an exploit isn't enough to secure my org.
Well, I suppose that if there will never be any more security threats then you'll never need an update, but I suspect that most organizations have thrown up their hands and accepted the fact that every so often, you gotta pay the man.
This doesn't change whether it's Linux, Windows, or Solaris - only the METHOD changes and only you can decide whether you can live with the terms.
Because the truth is - the mainstream press and the general public just don't get it do they? Look at SCO's price right now and tell me that makes any sense whatsoever!
I was reading another article on some pro-MS rag where they actually quoted some PHB as saying that he'd be glad to pay off SCO just to get them to 'lay off' with the legal action. Yeah, like that'll ever happen - this is their BREAD AND BUTTER now!
We here at Slashdot and others in the 'community' might take the time, but the truth is, SCO knows how to spin anything to the general public. As a tactic, it's so much harder to defend an accusation than make 100 more.
*LISTEN*
That's the sound of 'ol Darl(ing) firing up the PR machine again with more outrageous statements. Remember - only the sane occasionally question whether they really are.
Is there any technology they can't let be? Why is it they feel the need to yank the rug from under every single software company out there?
Seriously, Microsoft's megalomania is showing again. Why can't they just be satisfied with just doing one thing WELL instead of muscling their way into everything else and forcing mediocrity wherever they go?
Jeez MS! Why not get the bugs out of Windows first THEN start all these kinds of projects?! The simple fact is - you don't have time for this AND trustworthy computing.
...Now they have to live in it. In a musical era where we have 7 year olds mimicking 'gangstas' and baring belly-buttons ala Brittney Spears, is it any wonder that the music industry's distain for morality has finally caught up to them?
The music industry has always liked to push the envelope encouraging the kids to be rebellious and not to 'take it' from their parents. So now they want to be the heavy? Heh. Doesn't that beat all?
Ever see what happens when a kid hasn't been disciplined through life? When the kid hits 14 and the parents start flipping out because little Zack is doing drugs and ripping off cars? Ever see them try to wrest back control of the kid's life? It's almost impossible by then.
When you've been raised under a certain set of rules - that's the reality you understand. When you build, condone, or at least promote a culture that shows how cool it is to be a gangsta, don't be surprised when those same trained kids rip that gangsta's music; after all, he be in that '64 yo - he don't need the bling.
It's too late to stop what they started already. The rebellion is visiting them now for a change and not just from the kids. Two years ago, very few outside the industry even knew what the RIAA was. I assure you that today, a lot more do now.
Uhmmm... Pardon me, but just by posting these guy's emails publically didn't you just let them in some of the spam 'goodness'? :)
Never have I seen a more complete post that wasn't an actual article - this should be. Very nice job sir!
Although the VIA/Centaur isn't exactly the fastest thing around, to me that isn't the most limiting factor of the EPIA line.
The abysmally slow onboard 3D graphics are what just really disappoint. I mean, I've built 8 EPIA-based systems but they've always been for use as workstations (Internet browsing), or simply mom and pop kind of computing usage.
Now, take a look at the article. Are those graphics memory slots I see? I know Intel Extreme 2 isn't exactly winning any awards but it's certainly better than the horrid S3 EPIA 3D. That, more than the processor, is what really interests me about this board.