Hmmm.. Sounds like this preemptive strike was necessary. Does anyone seriously doubt that SCO would stop at IBM?
Even if they lost the IBM lawsuit, they have plenty of other annoyance lawsuits to file against smaller Linux companies. Once a victory is claimed, they'll be more than an annoyance.
Better to take them out first than to stand around waiting for the big boom.
It's about time someone takes it to these bastards. There is more than enough evidence that they are simply out to FUD companies like Red Hat into non-profitability.
They present no proof, and yet demand to be taken seriously. I've gotten tons of usage out of my RH servers here - even having paid a pittance for the software. I'm with ya RH. Where's my checkbook?
"Open Source: What's out there and how to take advantage of it"
Starting with an explanation of the ethos of Open Source, you could then go on with some real examples of how Open Source has great appeal.
You could hit OpenOffice.org and a few other of the more well known pieces of software. In addition, you could do a segment on Linux - basic tutorials, that kind of thing.
I guess it would depend on how technical you wanted to get, but I would probably keep it simple. A lot of people have heard of Open Source software but have no idea what the advantages are.
Go ahead and keep it there if you want. The article was about why Linux isn't being accepted as strongly on the desktop. Perhaps it's obvious when you're OS agnostic.
The basics of Active Directory have been around now for almost 4 years. I contend that it's not that it can't be done, but that it hasn't been the focus of the Samba group.
Want proof? Xandros HAS done it. They have Domain support out of the box. Of course, it's closed source...
Yes, terrific stuff... Client side for ONE computer with ONE user. I have a lab full of 24 computers and 35 teacher machines. I have revolving students accounts - some coming in weeks after school starts, some at XMAS. And don't get me startedon creating some sort of standardized user profiles.
I can't sit down at each machine and configure scripts to reflect their accounts - I simply don't have time. I'm not disagreeing with you that it CAN'T be done. I'm saying that it's stupid to do this way for us.
Why else do you think Xandros gives you built-in Windows Domain support and keeps that closed source, hmmmmm?
Yes, let's just do that. Let's throw out everything we've invested in MS. Get a grip man! I work in a small school. Even if I could afford to throw it all out, I have to think about what I'd use to replace things like Blackbaud (school admin software - non-profits), MS ISA with Surfcontrol, or how to roll out public use Linux boxen with home directories.
Also, I have to reorganize rights to folders upon folders of information and services. What a nightmare. I'm only one guy here, and just keeping it all RUNNING is challenge enough!
Face it, MS is EASIER for this type of thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and use it for Manhattan and our firewall but until it can play nice with MS, it may never be more than that.
I realize that MS plays games with it's protocols, but this is why it's necessary for Linux to step up and be there anyway. It's not that it can't be done (Xandros does this on the desktop NOW), it's that it's not yet open source.
Until you try to hook things up to an MS domain. That's where it always falls apart.
People forget, but there was a time when there were other word processors besides Word. In fact, many of them had bizarre and confusing interfaces (Wordperfect for DOS, anyone?) When people had to do the inevitable switch to something new, they may have been befuddled for a while, but eventually, they got the hang of it.
I really don't think the issue is user acceptance near as much as ADMINISTRATOR acceptance. To get that, you're going to have to play nice with the existing infrastructure (after all, it was there first).
People can adjust to OpenOffice - we've done it here. But to replace our domain system with Linux would be near impossible. Forget the investments we'd be throwing out the door - think about all the other things like mapped shares, home directories, etc. It would be a massive undertaking to recreate all of that for very little reward.
I know MS plays their little games of half-assed interoperablility ("Windows 2000 is now based on LDAP and Kerberos! Well... Except for these little changes...") But if Linux is going to want to compete it's going to have to try harder.
Xandros has done this, but it's closed source. Kinda defeats the purpose, no?
You certainly can't count on MS playing fair. They've done everything possible to make their version of LDAP non-interoperable and yet still call it LDAP.
Same thing for all the backtracking they've done on true XML support in the new Office.
Linux will have to try harder. It will have to step up to the plate because the MS domain stuff has already beaten them to the production floor. Xandros has it right - if only their implementation wasn't closed source.
For YEARS. Corporations and even schools like mine aren't going to be throwing away our Windows domains anytime soon.
A lot of Linuxheads point to Samba as some sort of Holy Grail. The problem that Samba doesn't yet solve is basic Windows Domain login support. You can't get share drives, rights, or home directories using this service. It merely creates localized Windows shares or lets you connect to them on an individualized basis.
The key for Linux to be accepted in these environments has more to do with network interoperability with MS, than app support. It sounds like an evil prospect, but you know something? I LIKE being able to organize my users on the network with ease. I like remote profiles. I like giving them things like shares and home directories in an organized way.
To my knowledge the only distro that addresses this is Xandros. The big problem here is that their Windows Domain support is closed source - to me, that kind of defeats the whole idea of using Linux in the first place.
When I first explored Linux options in 1999 I was shocked at the lack of this extremely important feature and continue to be. Let's hope the Samba project or something similar (and open source) will fill this in.
Question: How many people visit Slashdot daily? How about weekly? Out of those, how many are highly upset over SCO's actions?
Is it possible for us to unite against a common foe like SCO? I mean in legal ways. I'd love to hear some ideas from some of you folks out there. I know that most of you won't be recommending SCO products anytime soon, and that helps, but I keep wondering if there's not some way for thousands of pissed off people to have a bigger voice (or stick).
I know it's always chic to use Star Trek quotes on Slashdot, but I think this one is appropriate:
"We've already made too many compromises; too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not this time. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!... and I will make them pay for what they've done!!!"
I'm interested to see what would happen if even 1/10th the users on Slashdot decided to 'investigate SCO's licensing options'. You know, just give them a call, or an email. Repeatedly. Just to be sure.
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This is just like the crackdown on Marijuana in the late 60's, early 70's. All those laws ended up greeting scrapped when mom and dad's little Johnny was thrown into jail and given a felony record for smoking a joint. This appears to be the same thing: Share a file, get a record. All for sharing some Metallica.
Regardless of how you personally feel about this subject (file sharing) think about this seriously. Don't we have enough people in prison already? Might this also be an attempt to thin the voter roles a bit (felons can't vote)? What's the REAL agenda with this bill?
Nonetheless, I suspect that if something this extreme goes through, the backlash will be equally great. The question is: How many people will suffer for it in the meantime? What will it take to wake people up and take notice of these corporate-sponsored laws?
The interface was GREAT back in the day (about 10 years ago), but it's simply not intuitive. The main reason why products like Final Cut and Vegas are kicking their ass is because NEWCOMERS like them better.
Here at Linden Hall School for Girls, we went through a year of trying to teach Premiere 6 to the girls. They hated the thing. I won't even go into all the bugs we ran into with various digital cameras (PC platform).
Then last summer I investigated Video Vegas. That program is amazing! The girls are now able to start editing almost right away. I'm told that Final Cut Express is also along the same lines.
Premiere 7 would truly have to be groundbreaking in order for us to go back to Adobe, Mac or no Mac, it had better be good.
Yep - in a nutshell that comment PERFECTLY describes the situation.
The only thing I would add is that Adobe is under attack in Windows-Land also. With products like the awesome Vegas Video out there who can blame them for not wanting to fight a two front war?
Perhaps they should think about porting to Linux. What serious competition would they have there? If you could tell video production houses that they could save some bucks on licensing, and sweeten it by selling the open source concept, I think Adobe would have a winner (and a leg up).
Today SCO chewed off it's own arm to spite it's torso by terminating a lucrative licensing agreement with IBM.
SCO CEO Darl McBride was quoted as saying, "In order to better leverage our technology IP and increase profits, we've decided to refuse to sell, license, or not sue anyone not directly involved with Microsoft's.NET initiative."
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These bastards are now just clearly running up their stock. What a bunch of crapola. This is a last ditch effort to sell high.
Hmmm.. Sounds like this preemptive strike was necessary. Does anyone seriously doubt that SCO would stop at IBM?
Even if they lost the IBM lawsuit, they have plenty of other annoyance lawsuits to file against smaller Linux companies. Once a victory is claimed, they'll be more than an annoyance.
Better to take them out first than to stand around waiting for the big boom.
Where do I sign up?
It's about time someone takes it to these bastards. There is more than enough evidence that they are simply out to FUD companies like Red Hat into non-profitability.
They present no proof, and yet demand to be taken seriously. I've gotten tons of usage out of my RH servers here - even having paid a pittance for the software. I'm with ya RH. Where's my checkbook?
Ok, I know this is useless but... TROLL?
WTF? Who is the moderator here?
"Open Source: What's out there and how to take advantage of it"
Starting with an explanation of the ethos of Open Source, you could then go on with some real examples of how Open Source has great appeal.
You could hit OpenOffice.org and a few other of the more well known pieces of software. In addition, you could do a segment on Linux - basic tutorials, that kind of thing.
I guess it would depend on how technical you wanted to get, but I would probably keep it simple. A lot of people have heard of Open Source software but have no idea what the advantages are.
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Go ahead and keep it there if you want. The article was about why Linux isn't being accepted as strongly on the desktop. Perhaps it's obvious when you're OS agnostic.
I agree... Some services and programs I have need MS servers and/or domains. And your point?
The basics of Active Directory have been around now for almost 4 years. I contend that it's not that it can't be done, but that it hasn't been the focus of the Samba group.
Want proof? Xandros HAS done it. They have Domain support out of the box. Of course, it's closed source...
Yes, terrific stuff... Client side for ONE computer with ONE user. I have a lab full of 24 computers and 35 teacher machines. I have revolving students accounts - some coming in weeks after school starts, some at XMAS. And don't get me startedon creating some sort of standardized user profiles.
I can't sit down at each machine and configure scripts to reflect their accounts - I simply don't have time. I'm not disagreeing with you that it CAN'T be done. I'm saying that it's stupid to do this way for us.
Why else do you think Xandros gives you built-in Windows Domain support and keeps that closed source, hmmmmm?
Yes, let's just do that. Let's throw out everything we've invested in MS. Get a grip man! I work in a small school. Even if I could afford to throw it all out, I have to think about what I'd use to replace things like Blackbaud (school admin software - non-profits), MS ISA with Surfcontrol, or how to roll out public use Linux boxen with home directories.
Also, I have to reorganize rights to folders upon folders of information and services. What a nightmare. I'm only one guy here, and just keeping it all RUNNING is challenge enough!
Face it, MS is EASIER for this type of thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and use it for Manhattan and our firewall but until it can play nice with MS, it may never be more than that.
I realize that MS plays games with it's protocols, but this is why it's necessary for Linux to step up and be there anyway. It's not that it can't be done (Xandros does this on the desktop NOW), it's that it's not yet open source.
Until you try to hook things up to an MS domain. That's where it always falls apart.
People forget, but there was a time when there were other word processors besides Word. In fact, many of them had bizarre and confusing interfaces (Wordperfect for DOS, anyone?) When people had to do the inevitable switch to something new, they may have been befuddled for a while, but eventually, they got the hang of it.
I really don't think the issue is user acceptance near as much as ADMINISTRATOR acceptance. To get that, you're going to have to play nice with the existing infrastructure (after all, it was there first).
People can adjust to OpenOffice - we've done it here. But to replace our domain system with Linux would be near impossible. Forget the investments we'd be throwing out the door - think about all the other things like mapped shares, home directories, etc. It would be a massive undertaking to recreate all of that for very little reward.
I know MS plays their little games of half-assed interoperablility ("Windows 2000 is now based on LDAP and Kerberos! Well... Except for these little changes...") But if Linux is going to want to compete it's going to have to try harder.
Xandros has done this, but it's closed source. Kinda defeats the purpose, no?
You certainly can't count on MS playing fair. They've done everything possible to make their version of LDAP non-interoperable and yet still call it LDAP.
Same thing for all the backtracking they've done on true XML support in the new Office.
Linux will have to try harder. It will have to step up to the plate because the MS domain stuff has already beaten them to the production floor. Xandros has it right - if only their implementation wasn't closed source.
For YEARS. Corporations and even schools like mine aren't going to be throwing away our Windows domains anytime soon.
A lot of Linuxheads point to Samba as some sort of Holy Grail. The problem that Samba doesn't yet solve is basic Windows Domain login support. You can't get share drives, rights, or home directories using this service. It merely creates localized Windows shares or lets you connect to them on an individualized basis.
The key for Linux to be accepted in these environments has more to do with network interoperability with MS, than app support. It sounds like an evil prospect, but you know something? I LIKE being able to organize my users on the network with ease. I like remote profiles. I like giving them things like shares and home directories in an organized way.
To my knowledge the only distro that addresses this is Xandros. The big problem here is that their Windows Domain support is closed source - to me, that kind of defeats the whole idea of using Linux in the first place.
When I first explored Linux options in 1999 I was shocked at the lack of this extremely important feature and continue to be. Let's hope the Samba project or something similar (and open source) will fill this in.
That's the kind of idea I was thinking of, only I hadn't actually thought of it first. :P
Maybe this will help me feel like SOMETHING is being done. Thanks!
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Question: How many people visit Slashdot daily? How about weekly? Out of those, how many are highly upset over SCO's actions?
... and I will make them pay for what they've done!!!"
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Is it possible for us to unite against a common foe like SCO? I mean in legal ways. I'd love to hear some ideas from some of you folks out there. I know that most of you won't be recommending SCO products anytime soon, and that helps, but I keep wondering if there's not some way for thousands of pissed off people to have a bigger voice (or stick).
I know it's always chic to use Star Trek quotes on Slashdot, but I think this one is appropriate:
"We've already made too many compromises; too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not this time. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!
Can it be done? Make it so!
I'm interested to see what would happen if even 1/10th the users on Slashdot decided to 'investigate SCO's licensing options'. You know, just give them a call, or an email. Repeatedly. Just to be sure.
No interocitor part can be replaced. Bear this in
mind while assembling. Use only genuine interocitor parts.
This is just like the crackdown on Marijuana in the late 60's, early 70's. All those laws ended up greeting scrapped when mom and dad's little Johnny was thrown into jail and given a felony record for smoking a joint. This appears to be the same thing: Share a file, get a record. All for sharing some Metallica.
Regardless of how you personally feel about this subject (file sharing) think about this seriously. Don't we have enough people in prison already? Might this also be an attempt to thin the voter roles a bit (felons can't vote)? What's the REAL agenda with this bill?
Nonetheless, I suspect that if something this extreme goes through, the backlash will be equally great. The question is: How many people will suffer for it in the meantime? What will it take to wake people up and take notice of these corporate-sponsored laws?
Err.. Except that Premiere is te h suck.
The interface was GREAT back in the day (about 10 years ago), but it's simply not intuitive. The main reason why products like Final Cut and Vegas are kicking their ass is because NEWCOMERS like them better.
Here at Linden Hall School for Girls, we went through a year of trying to teach Premiere 6 to the girls. They hated the thing. I won't even go into all the bugs we ran into with various digital cameras (PC platform).
Then last summer I investigated Video Vegas. That program is amazing! The girls are now able to start editing almost right away. I'm told that Final Cut Express is also along the same lines.
Premiere 7 would truly have to be groundbreaking in order for us to go back to Adobe, Mac or no Mac, it had better be good.
Yep - in a nutshell that comment PERFECTLY describes the situation.
The only thing I would add is that Adobe is under attack in Windows-Land also. With products like the awesome Vegas Video out there who can blame them for not wanting to fight a two front war?
Perhaps they should think about porting to Linux. What serious competition would they have there? If you could tell video production houses that they could save some bucks on licensing, and sweeten it by selling the open source concept, I think Adobe would have a winner (and a leg up).
What should have been done was make wi-fi equipment operate in an encrypted mode by default. A couple of MS-style wizards would make this a snap.
Maybe the next version of 802.x will make this happen.
Damn it! My comment (Apple) exactly here - one question though: were you being sarcastic? :)
How many times do you think they'll be able to use 'mom' as a resource?
"Hey?! Where's my big 'L'? I want to play Frozen Bubble!"
"Sorry ma, we need you to preview this new version of Trustix."
"But... But... There's no mouse pointer and the screen's all black!"
"Adjust ma, adjust!"
Today SCO chewed off it's own arm to spite it's torso by terminating a lucrative licensing agreement with IBM.
.NET initiative."
SCO CEO Darl McBride was quoted as saying, "In order to better leverage our technology IP and increase profits, we've decided to refuse to sell, license, or not sue anyone not directly involved with Microsoft's