No one cares that your a stupid old man who plowed through the snow uphill to use a computer. Taking away resources because some people misuse them is for Stalin and Sadaam not free society. Time to ban cars and fastfood It kills some people! You stupid fucking cocksucker. get a god damn clue. did I call you an ignorant fucking hypocrite yet?
I live near Pittsburgh, about 15 miles away from the campuses of the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University. When it is not rush hour, it would take me about 20 minutes to reach campus. During rush hour? Maybe 45 minutes. Add 10 minutes to park the car and walk to the library, that means I am between 30 minutes and one hour away from where I need to do work. Just how much of a disadvantage are you talking about?
The students at IIT-Bombay are living in dorm rooms. They are probably within walking distance of the campus, so their 'disadvantage' is even less than mine. What is the big deal?
You can get summaries online, and a few of the major reference periodicals, but aside from that, MOST of the materials in a college library are OFFline.
What are you talking about? Everyone is acting like losing overnight internet access in the DORM ROOMS is something akin to Hitler firing up the gas chambers. IIT-Bombay has stated that internet service will be available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in either the library or in the departmental labs. So, if the student is trying to pull an all-nighter, they can do what I used to do. Get up, get dressed and head down to campus. There, they'll be able to access the internet or offline material to their heart's content.
I suggest you think about it yourself. Quit bitching about the situation, get off of your ass, and go do your work OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN FUCKING ROOM! How is that for a concept?
And why are you assuming all college libraries are open 24 hours?
I never assume. Instead, I do something that you apparently don't. I read the FA --
Ms Thosar-Dixit said students would not have access to the internet in their hostel rooms between 2300 and 1230 but could log on in the library or their departmental laboratories where access will be uninterrupted.
I was exaggerating. I finished undergrad in 1988. Most of us didn't have PC's in our rooms, so we did our work at the library on Apple hardware.
by forcing underachievers to perform, do we not risk handing people who are ill-prepared for real-life jobs a diploma?
You might be misreading me. What I am really suggesting is posted here. It's not like the students at IIT-Bombay don't have any choices in the matter. Instead, they submit an article to Slashdot, crying about how "oppressed" they are.
The point is they are trying to take away a source of entertainment so that the students will engage in more productive activities. The problem is that once they are out of school, the banned sources of entertainment will again become available, and the student will not have learned any self control.
Did you read the article from top to bottom? As I posted in this same discussion, MOST of the university campuses in India do not offer hostel (dorm-room) internet access 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, IIT-Madras pulled the access away from the dorms one year ago.
Part of the problem in dorm life is that you put up with the university's rules. If you don't like the rules, move out of the dorm or change to another university.
Take someone that attends a US Military College like West Point. They put up with rules like early morning revile and exercise. But, they receive one of the best educations in the world (of course, as soon as they leave West Point, they are headed to Iraq--but that is another discussion thread).
If you are reading this and you are a student at IIT-Bombay (Mumbai) that happens to disagree with your school's new policy, then you have three choices:
1) Do all of you late-night studying in the library.
2) Move out of your student dormitory.
3) or change schools.
There. Problem solved. And, stop wasting your energies on slashdot submissions.
If you can't handle college without having the administration trying to force you to work, you aren't going to be able to handle a job. Your boss isn't going to hold your hand. Letting the people spend time on the internet instead of studying weeds out the lazy and promotes the hard working.
Where did it say the administration would force you to work? All the article said was "No internet access overnight in the student hostels (dorms). Why wouldn't they just get off of their lazy asses and head to the library?
I never started writing a paper more than 12 hours before it was due. That policy would've screwed me over pretty good. These people act like they've never heard of an all-nighter before.
Sounds like you never heard of a typewriter, or GASP!, pen and paper.
The facilities offered here are top-notch and there are very few engineering institutes in India that offer unlimited access to internet in hostels at all times for all days of the year.......IIT Madras put limits on internet usage more than a year now.Students do not have any net access in their hostel rooms from 0100 to 0500.
Perfect working pirated game. Due to this, game sales plummeted since people were simply renting the game and burning their own copy
Nice theory, not necessarily a complete picture. The Dreamcast died because:
1) Sega never really got over the way they clumsily 'killed' the Saturn.
2) EA announced that they were not creating games for the Dreamcast and instead through all of their development effort behind PS2. As such, the PS2 had a larger variety of games available.
3) Sony announced that PS2 would be backwards-compatible with PS One games and that took some of the momentum away from Sega. Why purchase a new Sega when you could wait for the PS2 and play all your old video games on a new system?
because, as we all know, modern health care and banking is completely conducted using paper transactions. Seriously, did this "study" float through a time rift from the 1960's?
Health care is actually an interesting case. I've been on a couple of projects at health care firms. And, in both cases, the firms were heavily into technology. Many hospitals make large amounts of money in profit (even the 'non-profit' hospitals). So, they spend their money on technology. (At one of my projects, every single employee seemed to have a personal printer at their cube).
The problem with health care appears to be the 'interfacing' of technologies. Every time I have a family member in a hospital or physician's office, I seem to end up with a Billing error. Last night, I just had to call someone because they messed up the bill for an emergency room visit.
While some of these billing problems may be related to the general mess of Health Care in the United States, I think that the inability to interface between systems is partially to blame. And, technology can be the cure to this problem.
he same study done in Iraq found that almost all economic growth in the region from the 5th millennium BC to the 3rd millennium BC can be attributed to the wheel & axle. The Sumerians claimed slave productivity skyrocketed when it was discovered that they could be tied to wheeled carts to haul heavy equipment. Let us bask in the glory of technology!
Damn you, AC! You beat me to the punch!
AC is correct, this 'group' isn't exactly breaking new ground. Technology can improve productivity? Really? And, I always thought steam power was a step backward.
I'd like to ban my girlfriend from talking to me while I'm driving. Her favorite questions are rhetorical ones, and then expects an answer.
You are lucky, or dealing with a recently acquired GF. Wait until she starts criticizing your driving skills. My SO spends the entire time complaining about my driving skills, but she refuses to take the wheel herself. For the record, I've been driving for over 20 years and have never been the cause of an accident.
Well, the experience itself was pleasant, but afterwards I felt kind of revolted and just wanted to get her out of my house as quickly as possible.
First, after I've had sex with my wife, I feel revolted and I want her out of the house. But, then, I realize that whether I like it or not, she's getting at least 50%. So, I get over it and try to interact. Second, this experience should prove to you that even bad sex is pretty good.
For a year I fought against virtualizing our sandbox servers because of resource contention issues.
Sandbox, Test, Development. Those are the environments that just scream FOR virtualization. Obviously, your organization needs a lesson in virtual architecture. Sounds like you purchased your services from Andi Mann. Trust me, based on what I read in the article, the guy has no idea what he is doing.
However, I don't think earning a degree shows that a thinking process was really learned or that an understanding of humanities was received.
True, but I would like to point out that if someone doesn't have a degree, especially if that person is younger than 30 years old, people are more likely to think that person simply does not have enough experience to be put in a position of authority (and those type of persons usually end up in first line IT help desk).
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that a degree given to someone under 30 years old can count as five years of experience for that person. If you have an advanced degree, are under 30 years old, and you are hired somewhere; chances are high that you won't get placed on first line IT help desk. Instead, you'll be given a job that has a higher salary and, while still rather mundane, will have a greater opportunity for advancement.
Long term, the non-degreed person has to work through first and second-tier help desk positions just to get to the place where the degreed person started. And, by then, the degreed person might not be a manager, but they'll be a team lead. So, the non-degreed person will be reporting to the degreed person.
This does NOT mean that this happens every time. Some degreed persons suck. Some non-degreed persons are exceptional. But, the degree is the starting point. It gives you a head-start.
Which just shows you what's wrong with our society, the academic obstacle course caste system, most of which proves little especially when even many universities and their teachers are incompetent or teaching useless courses to use up time so they get paid more.
College/University-level education is truly a pain in the royal ass. As I indicated elsewhere, I have a graduate degree, at that level, you take courses where the professor's are incredibly full of themselves. These professors have the tendency to take your classes into completely crap-tacular theoretical tar pits with apparently little or no real-world impact.
But, in the end, it is all worth it. A degree proves that you can put up with the annoyances for a long-time. The process of getting a degree teaches you to think. Not just about the next line of code, but how that line of code will impact the whole business. A well-rounded education, one that includes a significant number of courses in the humanities, will expose you to new ideas. While those ideas may or may not change the way you view the world, it will at least help you understand why some people act the way they do.
And, that, is the key to moving forward in your career. Not the ability to code. The ability to play well with others.
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That reminds me: GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!
I live near Pittsburgh, about 15 miles away from the campuses of the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University. When it is not rush hour, it would take me about 20 minutes to reach campus. During rush hour? Maybe 45 minutes. Add 10 minutes to park the car and walk to the library, that means I am between 30 minutes and one hour away from where I need to do work. Just how much of a disadvantage are you talking about?
The students at IIT-Bombay are living in dorm rooms. They are probably within walking distance of the campus, so their 'disadvantage' is even less than mine. What is the big deal?
What are you talking about? Everyone is acting like losing overnight internet access in the DORM ROOMS is something akin to Hitler firing up the gas chambers. IIT-Bombay has stated that internet service will be available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in either the library or in the departmental labs. So, if the student is trying to pull an all-nighter, they can do what I used to do. Get up, get dressed and head down to campus. There, they'll be able to access the internet or offline material to their heart's content.
I suggest you think about it yourself. Quit bitching about the situation, get off of your ass, and go do your work OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN FUCKING ROOM! How is that for a concept?
...you would have been doing the same thing as Albert Einstein. Or Copernicus. Or Plato.
I never assume. Instead, I do something that you apparently don't. I read the FA --
I was exaggerating. I finished undergrad in 1988. Most of us didn't have PC's in our rooms, so we did our work at the library on Apple hardware.
by forcing underachievers to perform, do we not risk handing people who are ill-prepared for real-life jobs a diploma?You might be misreading me. What I am really suggesting is posted here. It's not like the students at IIT-Bombay don't have any choices in the matter. Instead, they submit an article to Slashdot, crying about how "oppressed" they are.
Did you read the article from top to bottom? As I posted in this same discussion, MOST of the university campuses in India do not offer hostel (dorm-room) internet access 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, IIT-Madras pulled the access away from the dorms one year ago.
Part of the problem in dorm life is that you put up with the university's rules. If you don't like the rules, move out of the dorm or change to another university.
Take someone that attends a US Military College like West Point. They put up with rules like early morning revile and exercise. But, they receive one of the best educations in the world (of course, as soon as they leave West Point, they are headed to Iraq--but that is another discussion thread).
If you are reading this and you are a student at IIT-Bombay (Mumbai) that happens to disagree with your school's new policy, then you have three choices:
1) Do all of you late-night studying in the library.
2) Move out of your student dormitory.
3) or change schools.
There. Problem solved. And, stop wasting your energies on slashdot submissions.
Just where in the article did it say the students couldn't do their work in the library?
Where did it say the administration would force you to work? All the article said was "No internet access overnight in the student hostels (dorms). Why wouldn't they just get off of their lazy asses and head to the library?
Sounds like you never heard of a typewriter, or GASP!, pen and paper.
So why is it bad when IIT-Bombay limits access?
I hope this helps. It won't answer all of your questions, but it is a start.
Nice theory, not necessarily a complete picture. The Dreamcast died because: 1) Sega never really got over the way they clumsily 'killed' the Saturn. 2) EA announced that they were not creating games for the Dreamcast and instead through all of their development effort behind PS2. As such, the PS2 had a larger variety of games available. 3) Sony announced that PS2 would be backwards-compatible with PS One games and that took some of the momentum away from Sega. Why purchase a new Sega when you could wait for the PS2 and play all your old video games on a new system?
Health care is actually an interesting case. I've been on a couple of projects at health care firms. And, in both cases, the firms were heavily into technology. Many hospitals make large amounts of money in profit (even the 'non-profit' hospitals). So, they spend their money on technology. (At one of my projects, every single employee seemed to have a personal printer at their cube).
The problem with health care appears to be the 'interfacing' of technologies. Every time I have a family member in a hospital or physician's office, I seem to end up with a Billing error. Last night, I just had to call someone because they messed up the bill for an emergency room visit.
While some of these billing problems may be related to the general mess of Health Care in the United States, I think that the inability to interface between systems is partially to blame. And, technology can be the cure to this problem.
Damn you, AC! You beat me to the punch!
AC is correct, this 'group' isn't exactly breaking new ground. Technology can improve productivity? Really? And, I always thought steam power was a step backward.
You are lucky, or dealing with a recently acquired GF. Wait until she starts criticizing your driving skills. My SO spends the entire time complaining about my driving skills, but she refuses to take the wheel herself. For the record, I've been driving for over 20 years and have never been the cause of an accident.
Thanks! I'll be here all week. Be sure to try the fish.
First, after I've had sex with my wife, I feel revolted and I want her out of the house. But, then, I realize that whether I like it or not, she's getting at least 50%. So, I get over it and try to interact. Second, this experience should prove to you that even bad sex is pretty good.
Woosh
I suggest that you consider who I was referring to in my post.
Great points throughout your entire post. So...was she hot?
...instead of looking at, say, the road ahead of you?
Sandbox, Test, Development. Those are the environments that just scream FOR virtualization. Obviously, your organization needs a lesson in virtual architecture. Sounds like you purchased your services from Andi Mann. Trust me, based on what I read in the article, the guy has no idea what he is doing.
Yes. AIX.
True, but I would like to point out that if someone doesn't have a degree, especially if that person is younger than 30 years old, people are more likely to think that person simply does not have enough experience to be put in a position of authority (and those type of persons usually end up in first line IT help desk).
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that a degree given to someone under 30 years old can count as five years of experience for that person. If you have an advanced degree, are under 30 years old, and you are hired somewhere; chances are high that you won't get placed on first line IT help desk. Instead, you'll be given a job that has a higher salary and, while still rather mundane, will have a greater opportunity for advancement.
Long term, the non-degreed person has to work through first and second-tier help desk positions just to get to the place where the degreed person started. And, by then, the degreed person might not be a manager, but they'll be a team lead. So, the non-degreed person will be reporting to the degreed person.
This does NOT mean that this happens every time. Some degreed persons suck. Some non-degreed persons are exceptional. But, the degree is the starting point. It gives you a head-start.
College/University-level education is truly a pain in the royal ass. As I indicated elsewhere, I have a graduate degree, at that level, you take courses where the professor's are incredibly full of themselves. These professors have the tendency to take your classes into completely crap-tacular theoretical tar pits with apparently little or no real-world impact.
But, in the end, it is all worth it. A degree proves that you can put up with the annoyances for a long-time. The process of getting a degree teaches you to think. Not just about the next line of code, but how that line of code will impact the whole business. A well-rounded education, one that includes a significant number of courses in the humanities, will expose you to new ideas. While those ideas may or may not change the way you view the world, it will at least help you understand why some people act the way they do.
And, that, is the key to moving forward in your career. Not the ability to code. The ability to play well with others.