Now why did you go ahead and do that? Lucas123 was just trying to use a Slashdot Submission to drive traffic to his site in the hopes he could get some additional advertising revenue. It's not like he's Roland Piquapalle.......Oh, wait. Never mind.
I disagree with that. Assuming that you can actually have such a thing as a "Just War", then the Catholic Church says that a pre-emptive war is NOT just. (For the record, I was raised a Catholic, but I have since drifted to becoming a Committed Agnostic).
Good points. And, I must correct an earlier post. I did a search and forcibly displacing a peoples IS indeed a crime against humanity. This link explains what are considered to be crimes against humanity. It also explains the difference between "genocide" and "displacement".
Now, what does that mean for Kosovo? In the UN's defense, they have set up the UNMIK to help administer the region. They even set up a court system that is staffed by international judges. One of the goals in using international judges is to try an limit the claims of ethnic bias.
Will that resolve the issues? Will that make all Serbians happy given their claims against the Albanians? Probably not. But, at least the UN is trying to do something about it. It isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than NOT doing anything. The UN will be in Kosovo for years, hopefully, they will bring justice when justice is required.
You want links exposing anti-Islamic bias of American government? Are you crazy?
No. I am not.
First of all, I asked you for links that supported your original claim that "Darfur is not genocide. That it is purely an internal civil war". What that has to do with the bias of the American government, I have no idea.
Secondly, the US Government is probably already monitoring any site that you link to. The National Security Agency is more powerful than most of us can imagine. So, posting a link on Slashdot probably isn't going to make one bit of difference.
Third, your statement above is STILL trollish. Start by giving me facts, not opinion. Then, I'll take back the claim that you are a Troll.
I am presenting an unpopular but legitimate opinion. I am not going to shut up just because there is no such button.
Slashdot is all about opinion. But, I wouldn't call you a Troll if 1) You used less inflammatory language and 2) If you included at least a few links that supported your claim. I could easily point you to about 2,000 links supporting the majority point of view. I want to see a few links (outside of the Sudanese government web-site) where there is another point of view.
So are you saying that genocide of Serbs is OK since they did that to Albanians earlier? Maybe we should use biological weapons on the USA population because US did that to native Americans earlier
A couple of points in reply
One -- I never mentioned Albania. I mentioned Bosnia. Those are two different wars. In Bosnia, you had the events in Srebrenica. And, Serbia has been held responsible for those genocidal events.
Two -- You appear to be confusing the term genocide with refugee. In short, Genocide is the murder of an entire people. Refugee is someone that flees from danger. In your OP, you mention that about 250,000 Serbs were displaced. Displacement is NOT genocide, they are refugees. Someone being forced to leave their home and live in a camp some distance away is a horrible event. But it is NOT genocide. So, you cannot compare the displacement of the Kosovo Serbs with the events in Srebrenica.
Yes, I know the history of the United States. The peoples who settled this country were probably guilty of genocidal acts to the Native Americans, although no one has ever been formally accused of these acts by the UN. If the Albanians have permitted genocide to take place, they should be put on trial. But, based on your evidence, you are referring to displacement. Again, that is NOT genocide and, as far as I know, it is not illegal according to the UN.
Maybe you should read transcripts of Milosevic's trial? Have you ever wondered why such prominent trial was not widely published?
Not widely published? Did you ever actually search on the subject? I count 31 references in the Wikipedia article alone. I imagine a Google search would pull up thousands of articles.
My brother did a research for his term paper and found that the court found sufficient evidence for exactly ONE case of war crimes.
Not to disrespect your family, but I will not accept "My brother's term paper" as a valid source for the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. Maybe we could all start by reading some of the references in the Wikipedia article I linked to above. On top of that, considering that international law is such a convoluted subject, it's a miracle the Milosevic was ever extradited.
About a quarter million of serbs were forced to move after the end of "humanitarian bombings" ("After the war ended, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1244 that placed Kosovo under transitional UN administration (UNMIK) and authorized KFOR, a NATO-led peacekeeping force. Almost immediately returning Kosovo Albanians attacked Kosovo Serbs [1], causing some 200,000-280,000[20] Serbs and other non-Albanians[21] to flee"). But that's not a genocide, sure. That's just a "normal migration".
As for your worries about the Serbs and the Kosovo problems, now maybe the Serbians will understand what happened when their proxies (the Bosnian Serbs) performed "ethnic cleansing" on Bosnian Muslims. In other words, the Serbs ended up receiving the same treatment they had been giving everyone else in the Balkans.
I am sick and tired of seeing countries behave like little children. Bwahh, you stole my ice cream, now I will beat you to a pulp....
Actually, here in the US, we do things a little differently. We don't like to wait for the actual THEFT of ice cream:
"We don't have any proof, but we think you, (insert country name here), are building a weapon of ice cream destruction. See, our satellite photos show all this activity going on outside of a building in the north-east corner of your country. That is obviously related to the construction of an ice cream destruction device. And, we hear a rumor that you tried to steal yellowcake ice cream from Nigeria. As a result of what we THINK you are going to do, we will now invade you."
If you read this(and it is filled with diplomatic language), you will see that the UN Security Council is at least trying to say something. Considering how slow diplomacy is, this might be the strongest language you will see on the subject. Also, the UN has this organization involved. The African Union is also at least attempting to do something. I think ALL of these organizations need to do more, but exactly what and how much more, I can't say. Nation-building is a treacherous exercise (just ask George W. Bush).
Actually, Sudan most definitely has oil. Oil rights were one of the primary causes of the recent civil war between the Sudanese government and the Christian/Animist south. (As a reminder, THAT civil war has been settled and was a different conflict than the events in Darfur.) I do not know if the Darfur region of Sudan has oil.
There is war in Sudan that should be resolved internally. There is no "genocide", applying this term is deliberate and malicious exaggeration of inevitable civilian casualties in the armed internal conflict. For the same purposes one could have called Americian Civil War a "genocide".
That's nothing. At my high school, we lifted the body of a 1970s era VW Beetle onto the roof of the one-story school! Someone also figured out a way to put steel-belted car tires over the top of the street lights in the parking lot. As a result, the tires were left surrounding the bottom of the street-light pole. Since the tires were steel-belted, you couldn't easily cut them. The school had to bring a crane in to lift the tires back up over the top of the pole.
And, I had to walk to school. Uphill. BOTH ways. Through snow so deep it covered the top of my head.
Your post would be really insightful if IBM wasn't making money hand-over-fist. Unfortunately for you, the dollar signs in the 'profit' lines appear to back up the article. Apparently, IBM's track record also happens to include a few customers that are happy with their purchase.
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Now, he submits links to the original article, but still gets a link back to his blog (if you click on his name). Most Slashdotters still hold a grudge against him for his past actions, which is understandable since he was essentially spamming.
Actually, the zdnet article he linked to is a blog that Roland writes for zdnet. So, he is still linking to his spam. Unfortunately, zdnet seems to think that Roland is providing a useful service, just like Taco does. I was sort of hoping Roland would go away, and he is only becoming more popular.
Meanwhile, people like me who have business to take care of on flights who want to use their cell phones can go to other airlines that choose not to restrict their passengers.
I spent seven years traveling on a plane as part of my business. While it would have been nice to be able to conduct some business on the phone, the fact is, there are very few phone calls that can't wait for the three hours until you land.
I can imagine that right now, you are saying to yourself "Puh-leese! I HAVE to make that phone call to George. If I don't reply to him NOW, then there will be hell to pay." Well, I disagree. Have you ever been in an organization that has undergone a Business Impact Analysis? If you haven't, a BIA is when consultants come into your organization and study how long your organization can endure a disaster. How long can your organization live without e-mail? SAP/PeopleSoft? Your Warehouse Management System? How long could your organization survive without the Customer Relationship Management (Siebel) system? Basically, a BIA is a cost-benefit analysis for DR. If an organization has unlimited funds, they can make it through a disaster with almost no downtime. But, most organizations don't have unlimited funds. They need to identify which systems must be up immediately and which systems can remain unavailable for a long time.
A BIA is usually quite eye-opening. I was working at a hospital one time. The BIA there showed that their electronic patient health records system, which is the type of system upon which the lives of the patients dependl, could be down for eight DAYS after a disaster. Not hours. Not minutes. But DAYS. The organization (and the patients) would survive for up to eight days when all of the electronic patient records were unavailable. The management of that hospital was rather shocked and they realized that while they still needed failover and DR on their patient records system, that they could afford NOT to spend thousands of dollars on Oracle RAC. So, the final plan was that, in the event of disaster, the system would be down for about one hour. Oracle RAC, which is very expensive, would have reduced the down-time to about 15 minutes.
Do a BIA on your e-mail in-box and voice mail one day. Will your company lose money because you don't return a phone call or e-mail withing five minutes? Will the persons upstream and downstream in your business flow be unable to complete their tasks if they have to wait five hours for your response? In other words, that 'critical' call you are thinking about, is only critical to you. It's not critical to your company.
Schedule your time. Let people know that you'll be traveling between 6 am and noon on Monday's. Guess what? 99.99999% of the time, your phone call can wait.
What would you do if the person on the phone said "Go to hell! I have a RIGHT to talk on this phone"? Remember, you are in a metal tube, about 35,000 feet about sea level. You can't fight this person, can you?
Phones should always be banned on a plane. I can't think of anything more annoying than listening to dozens of conversations going on around me while I try to sleep.
"Hi Mom!"
...
"No, the plane just took off"
...
"Well, it was all right, but our flight out of Amsterdam was delayed. I have NEVER seen an airport backed up like that before"
...
"All-in-all, the trip was OK, but I am SO GLAD it is over"
...
"Well, for one, Linette was SUCH a B-I-T-C-H for this ENTIRE trip. I was so happy when she caught her connecting flight at JFK."
...
"Well, she used to be so nice, but, ever since her an Darren broke up, it has been a nightmare"
...
"He cheated on her!
...
"I KNOW! And he seemed to be so nice"
...
"He slept with NICOLE, of all people"
I beg the powers-that-be to never, ever allow the use of cell phones on a plane. It will be enough for many of us to slit our wrists.
as anything that conflicts with the Constitution in federal code is legally null and void.
PHEW! That makes me feel better. OK. This conversation is over, everyone! It appears that the FBI may have been conflicting with the Constitution and therefore, it's legally null and void.
I am not sure if it was a formal strategy. I am willing to believe the guy when he said he made the commercial without any formal campaign support.
But, whether or not it was a "formal" strategy isn't what I am surprised in. I am surprised that you act so 'shocked' by the entire episode. This is an ELECTION campaign. You play to win. You go for the throat. Politics is a zero-sum game and Presidential Politics are the biggest game of all. The fact is, 12 months before the first ballot is cast, Clinton and Obama are fighting like cats and dogs. And, I love it!
And, no, I am not a Republican. I am a Democrat. I want my Democrats to be battle-tested and ready for political war when it comes time for the General Election. This kind of action is just the kind of activity you should expect in an election. I want blood in the water now, so the nominee is ready for any assault in the General Election. Remember when Karl Rove had his lackeys in South Carolina basically emasculated John McCain during the 2000 Republican Primary? Remember when the Swift Boat group basically destroyed Kerry's election campaign before the Democratic Convention? These people are running for the most powerful position on Earth. Going back to the formation of the United States, there have been formal AND informal attacks when running for political office. 'Push' polling has been happening ever since the invention of the telephone. Opponents of Grover Cleveland used to spread rumors that he was the son of an unmarried couple (a huge offense in those days). Sometimes, these attacks are organized by a campaign, other times, it is a missile coming from some fringe group.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can hear everyone talking about how Senator Obama has promised to "change the ways" of Washington. Well, whether or not he had anything to do with the ad, the fact is, unless he gets down in the mud, his campaign won't win.
For the record, I am kind of impressed by Senator Obama, but, I am withholding my support until later -- and, since I live in Pennsylvania, it really doesn't matter who I like as the Primary will be decided when Pennsylvania votes.
We think it does, especially given the abysmal lab facilities.
The question then becomes "How can IIT claim to be one of the top technical universities in the world if it has "abysmal" lab facilities?"
I realize culture is different in India, but maybe you students should do what students around the world have done for centuries. Organize a student committee. Hold a protest. Or, if you REALLY want to make a statement, hold a general strike (although you probably wouldn't get too much sympathy in rural India).
If you feel so strongly over the issue, then have a committee of student leaders address the administration and demand that they either reduce the "blackout" hours or improve the on-campus facilities to handle the academic requirements. You could have the committee point out that some of the other IIT campuses have shorter blackout hours (and others have no blackout hours at all). Those are more effective options than complaining to a bunch of computer geeks on Slashdot.
Six words in reply: "Use the internet at the library". This is NOT a big deal for the students at IIT. They still have full internet access on campus, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They just don't have it in their dorm room. And, if it ends up being a big problem the University indicated that they may alter the policy in the future.
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Now why did you go ahead and do that? Lucas123 was just trying to use a Slashdot Submission to drive traffic to his site in the hopes he could get some additional advertising revenue. It's not like he's Roland Piquapalle.......Oh, wait. Never mind.
I disagree with that. Assuming that you can actually have such a thing as a "Just War", then the Catholic Church says that a pre-emptive war is NOT just. (For the record, I was raised a Catholic, but I have since drifted to becoming a Committed Agnostic).
Good points. And, I must correct an earlier post. I did a search and forcibly displacing a peoples IS indeed a crime against humanity. This link explains what are considered to be crimes against humanity. It also explains the difference between "genocide" and "displacement".
Now, what does that mean for Kosovo? In the UN's defense, they have set up the UNMIK to help administer the region. They even set up a court system that is staffed by international judges. One of the goals in using international judges is to try an limit the claims of ethnic bias.
Will that resolve the issues? Will that make all Serbians happy given their claims against the Albanians? Probably not. But, at least the UN is trying to do something about it. It isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than NOT doing anything. The UN will be in Kosovo for years, hopefully, they will bring justice when justice is required.
No. I am not.
First of all, I asked you for links that supported your original claim that "Darfur is not genocide. That it is purely an internal civil war". What that has to do with the bias of the American government, I have no idea.
Secondly, the US Government is probably already monitoring any site that you link to. The National Security Agency is more powerful than most of us can imagine. So, posting a link on Slashdot probably isn't going to make one bit of difference.
Third, your statement above is STILL trollish. Start by giving me facts, not opinion. Then, I'll take back the claim that you are a Troll.
Slashdot is all about opinion. But, I wouldn't call you a Troll if 1) You used less inflammatory language and 2) If you included at least a few links that supported your claim. I could easily point you to about 2,000 links supporting the majority point of view. I want to see a few links (outside of the Sudanese government web-site) where there is another point of view.
Since when has a 'preventive' war ever been deemed appropriate by someone other than the person(s) starting the war?
A couple of points in reply
One -- I never mentioned Albania. I mentioned Bosnia. Those are two different wars. In Bosnia, you had the events in Srebrenica. And, Serbia has been held responsible for those genocidal events.
Two -- You appear to be confusing the term genocide with refugee. In short, Genocide is the murder of an entire people. Refugee is someone that flees from danger. In your OP, you mention that about 250,000 Serbs were displaced. Displacement is NOT genocide, they are refugees. Someone being forced to leave their home and live in a camp some distance away is a horrible event. But it is NOT genocide. So, you cannot compare the displacement of the Kosovo Serbs with the events in Srebrenica.
Yes, I know the history of the United States. The peoples who settled this country were probably guilty of genocidal acts to the Native Americans, although no one has ever been formally accused of these acts by the UN. If the Albanians have permitted genocide to take place, they should be put on trial. But, based on your evidence, you are referring to displacement. Again, that is NOT genocide and, as far as I know, it is not illegal according to the UN.
Not widely published? Did you ever actually search on the subject? I count 31 references in the Wikipedia article alone. I imagine a Google search would pull up thousands of articles.
My brother did a research for his term paper and found that the court found sufficient evidence for exactly ONE case of war crimes.
Not to disrespect your family, but I will not accept "My brother's term paper" as a valid source for the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. Maybe we could all start by reading some of the references in the Wikipedia article I linked to above. On top of that, considering that international law is such a convoluted subject, it's a miracle the Milosevic was ever extradited.
About a quarter million of serbs were forced to move after the end of "humanitarian bombings" ("After the war ended, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1244 that placed Kosovo under transitional UN administration (UNMIK) and authorized KFOR, a NATO-led peacekeeping force. Almost immediately returning Kosovo Albanians attacked Kosovo Serbs [1], causing some 200,000-280,000[20] Serbs and other non-Albanians[21] to flee"). But that's not a genocide, sure. That's just a "normal migration".
As for your worries about the Serbs and the Kosovo problems, now maybe the Serbians will understand what happened when their proxies (the Bosnian Serbs) performed "ethnic cleansing" on Bosnian Muslims. In other words, the Serbs ended up receiving the same treatment they had been giving everyone else in the Balkans.
If the Serbs want respect, maybe they should have been respectful of others.
Actually, here in the US, we do things a little differently. We don't like to wait for the actual THEFT of ice cream:
"We don't have any proof, but we think you, (insert country name here), are building a weapon of ice cream destruction. See, our satellite photos show all this activity going on outside of a building in the north-east corner of your country. That is obviously related to the construction of an ice cream destruction device. And, we hear a rumor that you tried to steal yellowcake ice cream from Nigeria. As a result of what we THINK you are going to do, we will now invade you."
Just look at our recent success stories.
If you read this(and it is filled with diplomatic language), you will see that the UN Security Council is at least trying to say something. Considering how slow diplomacy is, this might be the strongest language you will see on the subject. Also, the UN has this organization involved. The African Union is also at least attempting to do something. I think ALL of these organizations need to do more, but exactly what and how much more, I can't say. Nation-building is a treacherous exercise (just ask George W. Bush).
Actually, Sudan most definitely has oil. Oil rights were one of the primary causes of the recent civil war between the Sudanese government and the Christian/Animist south. (As a reminder, THAT civil war has been settled and was a different conflict than the events in Darfur.) I do not know if the Darfur region of Sudan has oil.
Obviously, you are trolling.
That's nothing. At my high school, we lifted the body of a 1970s era VW Beetle onto the roof of the one-story school! Someone also figured out a way to put steel-belted car tires over the top of the street lights in the parking lot. As a result, the tires were left surrounding the bottom of the street-light pole. Since the tires were steel-belted, you couldn't easily cut them. The school had to bring a crane in to lift the tires back up over the top of the pole.
And, I had to walk to school. Uphill. BOTH ways. Through snow so deep it covered the top of my head.
Your post would be really insightful if IBM wasn't making money hand-over-fist. Unfortunately for you, the dollar signs in the 'profit' lines appear to back up the article. Apparently, IBM's track record also happens to include a few customers that are happy with their purchase.
Huh? Where? When?
Actually, the zdnet article he linked to is a blog that Roland writes for zdnet. So, he is still linking to his spam. Unfortunately, zdnet seems to think that Roland is providing a useful service, just like Taco does. I was sort of hoping Roland would go away, and he is only becoming more popular.
I spent seven years traveling on a plane as part of my business. While it would have been nice to be able to conduct some business on the phone, the fact is, there are very few phone calls that can't wait for the three hours until you land.
I can imagine that right now, you are saying to yourself "Puh-leese! I HAVE to make that phone call to George. If I don't reply to him NOW, then there will be hell to pay." Well, I disagree. Have you ever been in an organization that has undergone a Business Impact Analysis? If you haven't, a BIA is when consultants come into your organization and study how long your organization can endure a disaster. How long can your organization live without e-mail? SAP/PeopleSoft? Your Warehouse Management System? How long could your organization survive without the Customer Relationship Management (Siebel) system? Basically, a BIA is a cost-benefit analysis for DR. If an organization has unlimited funds, they can make it through a disaster with almost no downtime. But, most organizations don't have unlimited funds. They need to identify which systems must be up immediately and which systems can remain unavailable for a long time.
A BIA is usually quite eye-opening. I was working at a hospital one time. The BIA there showed that their electronic patient health records system, which is the type of system upon which the lives of the patients dependl, could be down for eight DAYS after a disaster. Not hours. Not minutes. But DAYS. The organization (and the patients) would survive for up to eight days when all of the electronic patient records were unavailable. The management of that hospital was rather shocked and they realized that while they still needed failover and DR on their patient records system, that they could afford NOT to spend thousands of dollars on Oracle RAC. So, the final plan was that, in the event of disaster, the system would be down for about one hour. Oracle RAC, which is very expensive, would have reduced the down-time to about 15 minutes.
Do a BIA on your e-mail in-box and voice mail one day. Will your company lose money because you don't return a phone call or e-mail withing five minutes? Will the persons upstream and downstream in your business flow be unable to complete their tasks if they have to wait five hours for your response? In other words, that 'critical' call you are thinking about, is only critical to you. It's not critical to your company.
Schedule your time. Let people know that you'll be traveling between 6 am and noon on Monday's. Guess what? 99.99999% of the time, your phone call can wait.
What would you do if the person on the phone said "Go to hell! I have a RIGHT to talk on this phone"? Remember, you are in a metal tube, about 35,000 feet about sea level. You can't fight this person, can you?
Phones should always be banned on a plane. I can't think of anything more annoying than listening to dozens of conversations going on around me while I try to sleep.
"Hi Mom!"
...
"No, the plane just took off"
...
"Well, it was all right, but our flight out of Amsterdam was delayed. I have NEVER seen an airport backed up like that before"
...
"All-in-all, the trip was OK, but I am SO GLAD it is over"
...
"Well, for one, Linette was SUCH a B-I-T-C-H for this ENTIRE trip. I was so happy when she caught her connecting flight at JFK."
...
"Well, she used to be so nice, but, ever since her an Darren broke up, it has been a nightmare"
...
"He cheated on her!
...
"I KNOW! And he seemed to be so nice"
...
"He slept with NICOLE, of all people"
I beg the powers-that-be to never, ever allow the use of cell phones on a plane. It will be enough for many of us to slit our wrists.
PHEW! That makes me feel better. OK. This conversation is over, everyone! It appears that the FBI may have been conflicting with the Constitution and therefore, it's legally null and void.
You can go home now! Nothing to see here!
I am not sure if it was a formal strategy. I am willing to believe the guy when he said he made the commercial without any formal campaign support.
But, whether or not it was a "formal" strategy isn't what I am surprised in. I am surprised that you act so 'shocked' by the entire episode. This is an ELECTION campaign. You play to win. You go for the throat. Politics is a zero-sum game and Presidential Politics are the biggest game of all. The fact is, 12 months before the first ballot is cast, Clinton and Obama are fighting like cats and dogs. And, I love it!
And, no, I am not a Republican. I am a Democrat. I want my Democrats to be battle-tested and ready for political war when it comes time for the General Election. This kind of action is just the kind of activity you should expect in an election. I want blood in the water now, so the nominee is ready for any assault in the General Election. Remember when Karl Rove had his lackeys in South Carolina basically emasculated John McCain during the 2000 Republican Primary? Remember when the Swift Boat group basically destroyed Kerry's election campaign before the Democratic Convention? These people are running for the most powerful position on Earth. Going back to the formation of the United States, there have been formal AND informal attacks when running for political office. 'Push' polling has been happening ever since the invention of the telephone. Opponents of Grover Cleveland used to spread rumors that he was the son of an unmarried couple (a huge offense in those days). Sometimes, these attacks are organized by a campaign, other times, it is a missile coming from some fringe group.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can hear everyone talking about how Senator Obama has promised to "change the ways" of Washington. Well, whether or not he had anything to do with the ad, the fact is, unless he gets down in the mud, his campaign won't win.
For the record, I am kind of impressed by Senator Obama, but, I am withholding my support until later -- and, since I live in Pennsylvania, it really doesn't matter who I like as the Primary will be decided when Pennsylvania votes.
I agree. Let's all pick a NEW word, everyone! I hear Anne Coulter has suggested 'faggot'.
The question then becomes "How can IIT claim to be one of the top technical universities in the world if it has "abysmal" lab facilities?"
I realize culture is different in India, but maybe you students should do what students around the world have done for centuries. Organize a student committee. Hold a protest. Or, if you REALLY want to make a statement, hold a general strike (although you probably wouldn't get too much sympathy in rural India).
If you feel so strongly over the issue, then have a committee of student leaders address the administration and demand that they either reduce the "blackout" hours or improve the on-campus facilities to handle the academic requirements. You could have the committee point out that some of the other IIT campuses have shorter blackout hours (and others have no blackout hours at all). Those are more effective options than complaining to a bunch of computer geeks on Slashdot.
So when are they releasing the iRack?
Six words in reply: "Use the internet at the library". This is NOT a big deal for the students at IIT. They still have full internet access on campus, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They just don't have it in their dorm room. And, if it ends up being a big problem the University indicated that they may alter the policy in the future.