"Wade Roush wrote a long and well-documented article for the Technology Review about this new concept, the immobot, short for "immobile robot." He gives different industrial examples, from NASA to the water utility in Porto Alegre, and from Toyota cars to some new Xerox photocopiers."
As an owner of Toyota car I find this remark highly offensive!
Please forgive me that I don't have a Ferrari!
Well, some people are rude, indeed.
As someone actually listening to it right now, I think I can safely say "No, you don't want to hear it."
Its the 9th symphony stretched out to 24 hours. Think about it.
Well, duh. Yes, I thought about it.
I want to hear it because it's
Beethoven's 9th Symphony
stretched out to 24 hours.
I actually thought that maybe someone helpful will
post a mirror with this music converted to Ogg Vorbis or
MP3.
I'm pretty late to the discussion but I don't see
anyone mentioned the most important (to me)
difference between Debian and other distros,
so here it is:
Does anyone know where to get Ogg Vorbis or MP3 version
of this 9 Beet Stretch?
I love Beethoven's 9th Symphony
and especially the Ode to Joy,
so I'd like to listen to this,
but I'm not going to install proprietary software.
Thanks.
The DOS command line sucks.
(...)
The DOS command line is a stripped down, sodomized version of most *nix shells. If you liked DOS, install your favorite UNIX variant, and try out bash. (Feel free to use ksh or csh to your liking.)
I basically agree with all of your points
(from this post, as well as the rest of this thread),
except that I'd suggest
(and, in fact, I have already suggested)
him trying out
Cygwin before installing
a full Unix distribution,
and use the Bash under Windows instead the
DOS command line.
I would also not suggest using csh (mostly because of
issues pointed out by Tom Christiansen in
Csh Programming Considered Harmful).
For his first non-Microsoft shell experience,
I strongly recommend
Cygwin version of Bash under his existing
setup of Windows.
Of course, GNU under Windows is not my final recommendation
(since I use Debian
even on my desktop)
but I think it's a good start and it needs very little time
to try it out.
Even after going from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, I still found it better to do 80% of my stuff from the command line. Windows 98 SE finally kicked me off of that habit:/
Sigh, command lines... so fun, so minimalist. I don't like my start menu:\
You need Cygwin.
Run the Cygwin's
setup.exe
and install Bash -- it's a command shell,
like the command.com, only much better.
Start from running your old stuff from Bash instead of
DOS command line and you'll love it for its commands history,
the command line editing, command and filename completion
when you hit tab, and other simple things.
Then you'll start to love the more advanced stuff.
Later install some of the other
Cygwin packages
-- especially
fileutils, findutils,
tar, gzip, bzip2, less, wget
(extremely useful tools),
textutils, grep, sed
(tools for manipulating text),
mc (Midnight Commander, a Norton Commander-like file manager),
openssh (a secure kind of telnet and much more),
perl (the swiss army chainsaw),
vim, emacs, nano (text editors)
--
and you'll be unstoppable.
Seriously, you sound like a kind of person,
for whom such tools exist.
The Pennsylvania court recognized the proper weight of the First Amendment issues in the case, finding that the CIPA (Children's Internet Protection Act) infringed on protected speech.
I think that they should censor vulgar words
of pornographic nature also in other languages,
unless they only want to block English pornography.
My first suggestion would be
the word "cipa," which is "pussy" in Polish.
If you don't believe me,
search Google for
"cipa"
on.pl domains or
"cipa" in Polish language websites
-- almost nothing but porn.
Enjoy.
I think C.I.P.A. should add "cipa" to its pornographic filters and
finally censor itself, while I'm going to start
a similar anti-porn organization here in Poland,
which I will name P.U.S.S.Y.
Of course,
the interaction between C.I.P.A. and P.U.S.S.Y.
will be somehow limited,
as we will keep censoring each other --
but it's maybe better that way,
since such a kind of interaction
could be described as a lesbian sex and we could all go
straight to hell.
(By the way,
imagine my laugh when I first read about
CIPA protecting children from porn...)
Can somebody give me an example of a situation in which a work's not being copyrighted-- that is, being in the public domain-- led to some kind of wonderful thing happening?
Classical music.
Everyone can play, record, publish and sell e.g. Chopin's music,
so there's a real quality- and price-based competition
when you want to buy a CD.
I have something about five or six different recordings of
Chopin's waltz no.2 C# minor op.64, and while every one of them
is perfectly correct, they all differ quite subtly,
from which I like Wojciech Switala's version the best.
I have one CD with Mozart's Eine Kleine Nacht Musik
which costed me over 20 times more than another CD with
the same music I also own.
The difference
(a great difference, I must add)
is with the music itself, as well as with
the recording quality.
I can choose from literaly hundreds of different recordings
the one which suits my personal taste best.
Now, I don't have such a choice with most of modern music,
i.e. this music which is still protected by copyright
(which, by definition, grants a monopoly powers to
copyright holders -- today it's often a recording corporation,
not the author).
If I think that Steve Vai's Erotic Nightmares
is a great composition but could be played better,
well then tough luck, it can't legally be played better --
which is not to say that I don't think Vai is a genius,
it's only that I have no real comparison with this particular
composition, which is not the case
with the classical music I listen to.
The whole point of copyright law is to grant to Steve Vai
a temporary monopoly for his music so he can continue to compose
it now,
because when the copyright finally expires the music will
become part of the public domain and
the whole humanity will be able to
use it without any restriction,
like we can do now with Bach or Tchaikovsky.
Too bad that when it finally expires I will have been dead
for a long time, just like my children and granchildren
(which I don't have yet),
so the benefit of copyright-protected music I support today,
i.e. finally becoming a public domain, is totally meaningless to me.
This is why I think a reasonable time of copyright expiration
should be something like 10 years after the publication --
it's more than enough to earn lots of money and have
a motivation for authors
(be it music, movie, book, software -- whatever)
while making the work public domain before every people
living today will die.
So, in other words,
the classical music is my example of when music
being public domain is better for all the people
than music protected by the copyright,
I hope this was what you were looking for.
Is it possible? Few years ago I asked some SMTP experts about such a thing (I asked if there is something in SMTP which works like HTTP redirect, I wanted to build an email alias/forwarding which doesn't use my bandwidth to get the whole email and then send it out) and all of them told me it's impossible.
Of course it's possible.
But you do have to use your bandwith.
Even if it is possible, wouldn't you be able to bounce only to the originator and not to a third party?
Bouncing to the originator certainly is possible.
But if the IamTheRealMike's post is Score:5 Interesting and not Score:-1 Wrong,
than bouncing to any third party is also possible,
which I was sure was impossible.
And this is what I'm asking about.
Because if it is possible to make SMTP equivalent of HTTP 302 Found,
then I'd really like to know how to do it.
If it is impossible, then the moderators was fooled
by this post, which may have been a great troll,
and I shouldn't have answered it at all.
Set up a mail filter to bounce all spam you get to her address!
(...)
Make sure you bounce the messages as opposed to forwarding them, that way she can't block the addresses, bouncing also doesn't leave a record of where it came from afaik.
Is it possible?
Few years ago I asked some SMTP experts about such a thing
(I asked if there is something in SMTP which works like HTTP redirect,
I wanted to build an email alias/forwarding which doesn't use my
bandwidth to get the whole email and then send it out)
and all of them told me it's impossible.
I also looked for it in SMTP RFCs and I haven't found anything.
Could you please tell me some more details? Thanks.
Where can I buy such laptops like yours?
A CD changer in my car just died and I'm planning to
install a laptop jukebox instead. Your armored laptops
sounds perfect for such a thing, as I was concerned about
strong vibrations in my car which could kill
sensitive laptop very quickly.
There are no forced audits without a judge signing a warrant and law enforcement officers along to serve that warrant.
And what when they finally have the warrant?
I suppose that they would suspect that I refused
to voluntarily do an audit to have some time to hide or remove
the illegal software I have.
Will I have to give them root password to every computer so they
could search it and check out if my/usr/lib/libqt.so.2.3.1
is not really a hidden Word?
Is showing that a given computer runs Debian enough to prove
I don't have Word, since Microsoft software doesn't run under Linux?
But what about dual booting?
Would they search my hard drives for Windows partitions
because I could remove Windows from my lilo.conf for the audit?
And what about Wine?
Also, do they trust my systems? I could have some rootkit installed
so they should use their own software to be sure what's on my hard
drives.
And when they use their own software how do I know they won't
change anything on my systems, like install a backdoor to
check out later if I don't have any illegal software,
because I'm a suspect?
Et cetera, et cetera, ad nonsensum...
It looks to me that I can be in deep shit when they only suspect
me of using their software.
Is it one of those situations where they have total control and
infinite power to destroy me,
but I should not worry, because they are usually nice guys?
I don't live in the US so i'd like to know : How could MS force a firm to do a software audit ? (...)
Anyway, what would they have to fear if they were using OSS ? The law is on their side...
The law maybe is, but how does the Microsoft know if
you use free software or pirated MS software?
What I'm affraid is this:
*Knock, knock!*
-- Who's there?
-- Microsoft action rangers! Let me see your license!
-- Get lost, I don't use your shitty software!
-- You have to let us in and let us check out all of your
computers to prove that!
Anyone has any experience with them?
Because I sure
don't want to let them near my computers at all.
I don't use a single byte made by Microsoft, and still
I'm scared of criticising them.
Why? They're evil, that's why!
I usually don't criticise Satan as well.
Hey, they're all great!
Now, that's why I really don't criticise!
Yeah, that's why!
Slashdot Mirror
As an owner of Toyota car I find this remark highly offensive! Please forgive me that I don't have a Ferrari! Well, some people are rude, indeed.
I've tried it before, but it doesn't work for me:
Couldn't initialize audio codec! -> no sound
Does it need proprietary RealPlayer libraries, like TRPlayer?
Well, duh. Yes, I thought about it. I want to hear it because it's Beethoven's 9th Symphony stretched out to 24 hours. I actually thought that maybe someone helpful will post a mirror with this music converted to Ogg Vorbis or MP3.
I'm pretty late to the discussion but I don't see anyone mentioned the most important (to me) difference between Debian and other distros, so here it is:
Debian Social Contract
Failed to load rmacore.so.6.0: /usr/lib/RealPlayer8/Common/rmacore.so.6.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Looks like it depends on proprietary RealPlayer libraries.
Does anyone know where to get Ogg Vorbis or MP3 version of this 9 Beet Stretch? I love Beethoven's 9th Symphony and especially the Ode to Joy, so I'd like to listen to this, but I'm not going to install proprietary software. Thanks.
Because you're so busy posting such "Why?" questions?
I basically agree with all of your points (from this post, as well as the rest of this thread), except that I'd suggest (and, in fact, I have already suggested) him trying out Cygwin before installing a full Unix distribution, and use the Bash under Windows instead the DOS command line. I would also not suggest using csh (mostly because of issues pointed out by Tom Christiansen in Csh Programming Considered Harmful). For his first non-Microsoft shell experience, I strongly recommend Cygwin version of Bash under his existing setup of Windows. Of course, GNU under Windows is not my final recommendation (since I use Debian even on my desktop) but I think it's a good start and it needs very little time to try it out.
You need Cygwin. Run the Cygwin's setup.exe and install Bash -- it's a command shell, like the command.com, only much better.
Start from running your old stuff from Bash instead of DOS command line and you'll love it for its commands history, the command line editing, command and filename completion when you hit tab, and other simple things. Then you'll start to love the more advanced stuff.
Later install some of the other Cygwin packages -- especially fileutils, findutils, tar, gzip, bzip2, less, wget (extremely useful tools), textutils, grep, sed (tools for manipulating text), mc (Midnight Commander, a Norton Commander-like file manager), openssh (a secure kind of telnet and much more), perl (the swiss army chainsaw), vim, emacs, nano (text editors) -- and you'll be unstoppable. Seriously, you sound like a kind of person, for whom such tools exist.
Good luck!
Non-metamoderator's Metamod of Fair. ;)
Thanks!
I guess the next should be CIPA, which exactly means "pussy" in Polish, i.e.:
See also this comment of mine and search Google for "cipa" on .pl domains.
I think that they should censor vulgar words of pornographic nature also in other languages, unless they only want to block English pornography. My first suggestion would be the word "cipa," which is "pussy" in Polish. If you don't believe me, search Google for "cipa" on .pl domains or
"cipa" in Polish language websites
-- almost nothing but porn.
Enjoy.
I think C.I.P.A. should add "cipa" to its pornographic filters and finally censor itself, while I'm going to start a similar anti-porn organization here in Poland, which I will name P.U.S.S.Y. Of course, the interaction between C.I.P.A. and P.U.S.S.Y. will be somehow limited, as we will keep censoring each other -- but it's maybe better that way, since such a kind of interaction could be described as a lesbian sex and we could all go straight to hell.
(By the way, imagine my laugh when I first read about CIPA protecting children from porn...)
Classical music.
Everyone can play, record, publish and sell e.g. Chopin's music, so there's a real quality- and price-based competition when you want to buy a CD. I have something about five or six different recordings of Chopin's waltz no.2 C# minor op.64, and while every one of them is perfectly correct, they all differ quite subtly, from which I like Wojciech Switala's version the best.
I have one CD with Mozart's Eine Kleine Nacht Musik which costed me over 20 times more than another CD with the same music I also own. The difference (a great difference, I must add) is with the music itself, as well as with the recording quality. I can choose from literaly hundreds of different recordings the one which suits my personal taste best.
Now, I don't have such a choice with most of modern music, i.e. this music which is still protected by copyright (which, by definition, grants a monopoly powers to copyright holders -- today it's often a recording corporation, not the author). If I think that Steve Vai's Erotic Nightmares is a great composition but could be played better, well then tough luck, it can't legally be played better -- which is not to say that I don't think Vai is a genius, it's only that I have no real comparison with this particular composition, which is not the case with the classical music I listen to.
The whole point of copyright law is to grant to Steve Vai a temporary monopoly for his music so he can continue to compose it now, because when the copyright finally expires the music will become part of the public domain and the whole humanity will be able to use it without any restriction, like we can do now with Bach or Tchaikovsky. Too bad that when it finally expires I will have been dead for a long time, just like my children and granchildren (which I don't have yet), so the benefit of copyright-protected music I support today, i.e. finally becoming a public domain, is totally meaningless to me. This is why I think a reasonable time of copyright expiration should be something like 10 years after the publication -- it's more than enough to earn lots of money and have a motivation for authors (be it music, movie, book, software -- whatever) while making the work public domain before every people living today will die.
So, in other words, the classical music is my example of when music being public domain is better for all the people than music protected by the copyright, I hope this was what you were looking for.
Well, duh...
If she thinks that porn "disgraces society," but spam is so wonderful, than maybe porn spam in her email boxes (by which I mean laura@dataresourceconsulting.com, info@dataresourceconsulting.com, online@dataresourceconsulting.com and offline@dataresourceconsulting.com) would be OK? Now, I'm not suggesting anyone to visit some of the 785,000 websites found by searching Google for Free Porn In Email and registering her email addresses (laura@dataresourceconsulting.com, info@dataresourceconsulting.com, online@dataresourceconsulting.com or offline@dataresourceconsulting.com) together with her name (Laura "Spam Queen" Betterly), address (717 Weathersfield Dr., Dunedin, FL 34698-7437, United States) and telephone numbers (727-447-2037, 727-468-2037) -- that's the most stupid idea I've ever heard!
You're right, they are strings of digits -- like most of integers I've seen so far...
Bouncing to the originator certainly is possible. But if the IamTheRealMike's post is Score:5 Interesting and not Score:-1 Wrong, than bouncing to any third party is also possible, which I was sure was impossible. And this is what I'm asking about. Because if it is possible to make SMTP equivalent of HTTP 302 Found, then I'd really like to know how to do it. If it is impossible, then the moderators was fooled by this post, which may have been a great troll, and I shouldn't have answered it at all.
When, while reading the article, I read about sending spam promoting anti-spam software, I had just one word in my mind: "extortion."
Is it possible? Few years ago I asked some SMTP experts about such a thing (I asked if there is something in SMTP which works like HTTP redirect, I wanted to build an email alias/forwarding which doesn't use my bandwidth to get the whole email and then send it out) and all of them told me it's impossible. I also looked for it in SMTP RFCs and I haven't found anything. Could you please tell me some more details? Thanks.
...first read "The Cathedral & the Bazaar: Musings on Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary" by Eric S. Raymond. There's also an online version, but I urge you to buy a paper one, becuase it's really a great book, and you seem to be exactly the kind of person who needs to read it. (Of course, I'm talking to smelroy, the original poster of "How Do You Sell Linux Software?" question.)
Where can I buy such laptops like yours? A CD changer in my car just died and I'm planning to install a laptop jukebox instead. Your armored laptops sounds perfect for such a thing, as I was concerned about strong vibrations in my car which could kill sensitive laptop very quickly.
Large particle laboratory? Do you have any particles like this one there?
And what when they finally have the warrant? I suppose that they would suspect that I refused to voluntarily do an audit to have some time to hide or remove the illegal software I have. Will I have to give them root password to every computer so they could search it and check out if my /usr/lib/libqt.so.2.3.1
is not really a hidden Word?
Is showing that a given computer runs Debian enough to prove
I don't have Word, since Microsoft software doesn't run under Linux?
But what about dual booting?
Would they search my hard drives for Windows partitions
because I could remove Windows from my lilo.conf for the audit?
And what about Wine?
Also, do they trust my systems? I could have some rootkit installed
so they should use their own software to be sure what's on my hard
drives.
And when they use their own software how do I know they won't
change anything on my systems, like install a backdoor to
check out later if I don't have any illegal software,
because I'm a suspect?
Et cetera, et cetera, ad nonsensum... It looks to me that I can be in deep shit when they only suspect me of using their software. Is it one of those situations where they have total control and infinite power to destroy me, but I should not worry, because they are usually nice guys?
The law maybe is, but how does the Microsoft know if you use free software or pirated MS software? What I'm affraid is this:
*Knock, knock!*
-- Who's there?
-- Microsoft action rangers! Let me see your license!
-- Get lost, I don't use your shitty software!
-- You have to let us in and let us check out all of your computers to prove that!
Anyone has any experience with them? Because I sure don't want to let them near my computers at all.
I don't use a single byte made by Microsoft, and still I'm scared of criticising them. Why? They're evil, that's why! I usually don't criticise Satan as well. Hey, they're all great! Now, that's why I really don't criticise! Yeah, that's why!