help and dir both work fine. what the hell are win & windows supposed to do ? load windows ? do you try to load windows on a mac ? why the hell are you trying to do that on linux ?!?! [looks for on/off switch] turn your fucking brain on and use it.
I am so sick of people ripping opensource for its un-user-friendliness use your brain, think, actually do something about your lack of understanding like read a damn book. there are only 5000 of them out there about using linux.
so do you think that its illegal to pick something up off of the sidewalk ?
First and foremost "hacking" activities as you so aptly put it, are not the reason this is a problem, its the LACK of hacking activities at companies like MS that started this problem, they dont check their own software well enough. period.
A hacker doesnt break the law (well any sane law, shit like the DMCA can fuck off) script kiddies and crackers are the one's who do shit like this.
If you leave your system wide open its like owning a retail space, and not having a clerk, or prices on anything. People will (rightly or wrongly) assume the merchandise is free if there are no prices, or methods of checkout. Leaving a system (any) wide open like that is where you get into trouble, its not B&E if there is no B.
The laws are already in place, have been for years and they are tough enough (5 years for causing damage is plenty, unless you think your average teen deserves life ?) very rarely do these problems result in real damage, mostly its "possible" or "potential" damage, much the same way spilling a milkshake on those gap jeans at the mall is, its easily repairable, and the responsibility lies on the store keep for allowing the shake in the store, and the person who spilled it.
Then how are people going to learn ? and why should the core linux market (geeks) be punished (any idea how long it takes to get all of the GCC shit to compile with deps ?... ) for the sake of the few ? If Linux is going to advance it needs to stop trying to be windows and be Linux. stop with the moron proofing. Come right out with it and say "if your lazy or dumb, dont bother."
right because internet explorer should be renamed to internet; for complete idiots.
When you learn to drive you learn what the hell your supposed to do, the signs dont change to accomodate the newest slang, or foriegners. Why is it that linux is supposed to change to accomodate people who are to fucking lazy to read for 10 minutes ?
car's are different, so are OS's. its life, if linux is the exact same as windows what the hell is the benifit of switching ? Linux is regressing because people (morons) seem to think it needs to be idiot proof. sorry no. thats the reason a lot of people are sick of windows, thats why a lot of people have already left MS.
And who is to say what should be called "Instant messaging client" ? gaim, kaim, irc, etc etc etc etc
I love it when people try to simplfy things without actually looking at the details. its never that easy.
All cities have more culture than the burbs because the cities have been around longer and have a higher population density (ie easier to generate large crowds)
I am not a nature person, but the same thing you said about entertainment holds true for city living nature people - its a drive away.
I don't live in the burbs, it was a joke. but personally I don't get why somebody would live there, the city has a whole prolly has worse crime rate's, but the nicer area's are just as crime free as the burbs.
also without culture and entertainment WTF are you going to do ? go to the mall over and over again ? its been two years since I have been to a mall or shopping complex, I prefer to keep it that way.
Large groups of people also make a ton of activities more enjoyable. like concerts or sports.
I wouldnt have a need to administer a windows system. I work with real computers not the "point and click" variety.
Actually I get my security bullitens from bugtrack and packetstorm. But thanks for playing.
32 CPU's eh ? how about supporting how swapable components other than hard-drives ? how about being more stable than a beta project ? it might have been available for 4 years, but it wasn't ready until about 2 maybe 1.5 years ago.
most enterprise customers have no intrest in using MS systems to work on heavy metal, the few that have tried usually implement some half-n-half setup and eventually ween back to unix. trust me, I have seen it.
why go to a higher TCO ? why go to something thats unproven ? and why switch from a working model ? until real reasons are given its all a fantasy for MS and its fans. stick to the desktop, its what you know best.
Not much of a DB guy, I just know there are/were several major things that oracle does that MS-SQL doesnt.
Haven't personally come across something that MySQL or PostgreSQL doesnt do that I need, I doubt I ever will IMHO, but they are not ready for the enterprise.
You might have servers that have been running that long, and thats dandy. But they are not Enterprise level systems with a similar load and amount of data. Microsoft just recenetly made it into the enterprise, you think people are going to switch to a higher TCO (read some of those whitepapers) with less of a "proven track record"? on what fucking planet ? in an enterprise setting you run what works as long as it does, and as long as you have a contract for it. a high level contract with Sun or IBM is a 1 hour on-site four hour gauranteed replacement type contract, costing millions and millions of dollars that span years. They aren't going to just nullify the contract and the current install and most of the admins so they can run a "new" product. Granted some small and medium business's might be using MS-SQL but they would have never used anything else because there really isn't anything else in that price/performance/ease of use area that is promoted to them.
I have seen systems at large companies (thousands and thousands of users, tera-byte level of data) that haven't been down in years. High level fault tolerant systems with hot-swappable PSU's, CPU's, drives, mobo's etc because its not "economically" feasable to have downtime.
If you wanna start dragging IIS and exchange into this I will pull apache and sendmail into it, roughly 70% of the internet runs apache for a reason.
PS the webserver and DB server that we are using where I work (2 webservers hooked into 1 DB server) have 0 downtime in over a year, they run apache on linux and mySQL on solaris respectivly.
No enterprise level customer "trys out new things" thats a fucking retarded thing to do when you lose millions per hour of downtime.
MS products blow ass in comparison to Unix on large systems, and they always have. I don't know where the hell you get your information but MS didnt even run on systems with more than 16 cpu's til fairly recently.
Getting there and being there are two different things. MySQL and Linux are growing and improving faster than anything in this market. But niether is a reasonable replacement for oracle, proprietary unix, or a mainframe.
MS and its software has come a long way, but in this market they have a long long way to go, people in the enterprise dont expect to get a virus or worm, have to reboot once a month for some major update that shouldnt be affecting them. (like the newest "help subsystem" bug).
My entire point was that this is not, never has been, MS's market. It is mostly a mainframe/Unix market and MS (and linux for that matter) are pushing into this market. Linux is gaining more headway because it is more unix-like making the transition and training easier, however it also suffers from some of the same flaws as windows. If MS wants this market its going to have to fight both the "old" and the "new" and I dont think they can win.
NO microsoft product is enterprise anything. Enterpprise level products have to go years without downtime microsoft doesnt do that, with any MS product your talking weeks, not months or years.
Name me a fortune 100 company that is using MS-SQL for mission critial highly intesive massivly used apps. I doubt even MS themselves would use it on internal apps. (they would of course use it on anything front-facing to avoid the whole MS uses blah debacle... again.)
MS-SQL (and all other microsoft products for that matter) have no place in the enterprise except on the desktop. Period. The only people who think different are the people who think monthly reboots are required, and uptime is calculated in the 2 digit range. These are mostly the twits who came into the industry during (or right before) the.com boom the same people who think java should be used for everything.
The average person doesnt use a DB like they use a media player or browser, if they choose to bundle it fine, but its not a goddamn end user app. Its like saying that kernels are commoditized user apps. No. back end "not point and click" shit is not a "user land app" even MS isnt that fucking dense.
When it comes to enterprise level DB's your choice's are Oracle and DB2. Period.
If you really want me to get into specifics about this (oracle vs MS-SQL. don't know didly about db2) I can, last time I was involved in this discussion a year ago MS-SQL couldnt even do parallel execution of insert or delete; only queries. among other "need to have" features for an *Enterprise* level DB.
Just so we are clear an enterprise DB is mission critical minimum of 5 9's of uptime (99.999%) with thousands of users. Usually running on a system with over 16 processors, usually fully redundant. Not some home brew 2 proc system, not some.com web server. More like massive financial institution back end.
Microsoft is great at "ohhh and ahhh" shit, like desktops. There is a saying that I like "Do you know your system administrators name or extension ? No ? then he is doing his job". Do you know what DB your running ? no ? then its performing correctly.
Anyone other than the admin shouldnt have to know what is running on the server. Period. If emails have to be sent out about "emergency updates" or "unexpected failures" or any other such shit that is "mission critical" something isnt working right. or someone doesnt know wtf they are doing (pebkac?). MS doesnt usually alow for this kind of stability. they have come a long long way in the past few years, but they have a ways to go before their shit is called enterprise by anyone who works on enterprise level shit.
The only people I have heard call anything MS enterprise is MS employee's and management types.
on any mission critical DB they will have a trained DB admin. MS-SQL is nice and cuddly for low end user tasks (like all MS products) but when you get to the meat of what DB's are used for in a bussiness you start talking about better DB's such as DB2, Oracle, and postgreSQL (and yes mySQL if it can handle said task)
Also I might point out that Oracle should install fine on that system. I have a Sun V60 with almost the exact same config sitting next to me with oracle installed.
If a company is running an important piece of software (any not just DB's) without a properly qualified admin they are asking for trouble period. They are the type's that claim everything should "just work". Software isnt utopia, nothing is. Problems happen, be prepared.
MySQL is the Open source DB of choice for most for a reason. try it.
Secondly although you can install Oracle on intel hardware it was not (and shouldnt be) desiegned for intel hardware... and this is where the difference between a real database and some crufty piece of shit like ms-sql or ms-access comes in. A real DB will run much more effectivly on larger hardware that a crufty piece of shit. in other words: the performance increase once you get onto higher end machines is not equal, mySQL, postgreSQL and especially DB2 and Oracle experience massive gains in performance when compared to any MS database.
Not to be an ass (I am no DBA) but I have seen very large gains 15-20% in overall speed when PG or My are properly tweaked by a DBA with experience. I have never seen someone get comparable performance from MsSQL.... a large part of that is the platform it runs on IMHO.
I said nothing about them using only linux. or even primarily linux. but a customer running BSD or Unix or a mainframe is much much more likely to switch to linux than to windows. unix/bsd/linux are all of the same ilk, being based on open standards and not proprietary vendor based ones.
And by your logic people would like a house, car, movie, tv show, painting, musical, opera, porno, spouse, whatever so long as they see/hear it enough and it doesnt offend them. That explains suburbia...
There are 168 usable hours in the week, 42 of which is used for sleeping and 50 for working that leaves (about average) 76 hours to do whatever with. you tell me that you work over 76 hours more than average or that you can't spend two or three hours a week browsing music and I will tell you your full of shit. You might not want to spend the time doing that, and its fine. But your post comes off like your activities are better than other people's. I also got a hint of that "I'm married single people aren't important" vibe.
and BTW where do you live, The reason I ask is I would preffer to never live there.
Very true. But you dont see many people buying a company that has 30k employees, and does billions in bussiness.
Its doesnt make any sense to buy sun just to dump its products, brainpower, and customers. If you buy Sun you have to be able to sustain the profitable parts of what you aquire or else you just bought a very expensive market shift. (which wont always shift the way you want.
the IP to add to the portfolio is nice. The brainpower at Sun is another reason. Java is another reason, Solaris (or the features from solaris) is another reason.
The customers are nice but the technology and IP that Sun owns would pay for itself. I think IBM is just waiting for a good price to come along. Thats possibly why MS gave sun the money, to prevent IBM from buying them. microsoft can't buy sun, the justice department and competitors wouldnt allow it.
You got one thing about that post right: "The battle against Linux has only just begun."
Everything else is crap, microsoft probably runs less than half of the sites on the net (apache runs 70% or the web servers, and I would venture most of those run BSD/UNIX/Linux). Microsoft can bundle the fuck out of whatever they want, it will HURT them in the long run because customers are already becoming weary of their crap with licensing and forced upgrades etc...
Only one fortune 100 company uses windows 2k3. (source: netcraft). And MS-SQL is a piece of shit, everyone knows that. If they use it in their filesystem they will kill performance and negate any stability increases they have had in the past 5 years.
.NET is still struggling to gain market share on java, thats part of the reason microsoft did this deal, so they can hedge their bets. If.NET fails then they can fall back onto java and vice-versa.
The EU went after MS for the same reason the American justice department did, they broke laws. The only difference is the bush administration let them off since they are big business friendly.
Then of course their is this POS DRM built in OS they want to release (whats the ETA now 2007 ?). That won't go over well. Linux has been gaining market share in the desktop arena over the past few years without major vendor support, not that companies like HP, Dell and Sun are backing it, gaining more share is a foregone conclusion, especially at its current price point.
The only market overlap that existed between sun and MS was the development arena. java vs.NET. MS doesn't hold ANY weight in the enterprise and sun's forays into the low end have been minor disasters
Sun still has a lot of smart people working for them. However in the past few years a ton of their braintrust has left. Its eerily reminiscent of what happend at DEC towards the end.... bring in management and all the hackers will leave.
People like schwartz think that slick marketing and "features" are what will lead sun to microsoft like market dominance, that flies in the face of the past 20 years worth of sun's thought process.
SGI has no market share to speak of these days, HP and IBM (AIX) are the only other two "major" unix players and IBM has gained ground on Sun the past six quarters (?) and I believe they passed sun in unix marketshare quite some time ago (discarding "non unix" big iron).
IBM and HP are both backing linux (IBM is hopeful, HP is just hedging their bets) sun has been flimsy with their support of linux going back and forth and talking out of both sides of their mouth.
I think the reason Sun is spoken of so much is because they are an "old school" graybeard favorite. So certain groups of people have them placed on a pedestal, problem is they havent done anything in the past 5 years to justify it.
Tell me what exactly about solaris or a sun fire (sparc) system is bad ? or what about java is bad ?
Sun's problem (has hinted to by other posters) isnt a product issue, its an image issue. Sun views itself has an enterprise company, and so do its customers, so they expect enterprise level support on commodity software/hardware and it drives the cost way up.
Sun's is one of the best for big iron, their products have not decreased in quality, the market has shrunk. They are losing ground to Lintel systems.
Sun should consider switching wholesale to linux over the next few years, the reason they wont do that (microsoft type-thinking) is because is allows customers mobolity to switch to a fro from one vendor to another (linux being open and havnig some standards). Their heavy metal is fine, but there isnt much of a market for it and what little is left is switching.
Drop the solaris OS. Or port is major features/abilities to linux.
Drop or OpenSource java.
Focus on selling enterprise software more than enterprise systems.
I think they are going to try #3, but they are to cocky to do 1 or 2.
IBM would profit much much more from buying Sun. GE would also do well (if they want to re-enter this industry).
Apple however would suffer from the same problem as Sun, Do we back linux or macosx or solaris on X platform/price point ? macosx is a nice distro but i dont think is compares to solaris on big iron (or linux at this point) and is still majorly lacking the ISV's backing for enterprise usage. Would apple be comfortable having a half-n-half OS team ? half for solaris half for osx ? would they be able to maintain the "enterprise" image that sun still represents ?
I dont think apple would profit from buying a company thats exactly like apple. (small niche market share that is shrinking.)
I agree, the RIAA will shout and scream and whine. Maybe they will get tougher DRM used on all these mp3 sites.
It doesnt matter. What can be made can also be unmade. You encrypt something some hacker will come up with a way to decrypt it. Its a fact, The hackers are better at this stuff than the slick 4 year CS grad who only does it for the money.
Stop worrying. I think the artists themselves are growing weary of the major labels bullshit. Its only a matter of time before they move on.
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help and dir both work fine. what the hell are win & windows supposed to do ? load windows ? do you try to load windows on a mac ? why the hell are you trying to do that on linux ?!?! [looks for on/off switch] turn your fucking brain on and use it.
I am so sick of people ripping opensource for its un-user-friendliness use your brain, think, actually do something about your lack of understanding like read a damn book. there are only 5000 of them out there about using linux.
so do you think that its illegal to pick something up off of the sidewalk ?
First and foremost "hacking" activities as you so aptly put it, are not the reason this is a problem, its the LACK of hacking activities at companies like MS that started this problem, they dont check their own software well enough. period.
A hacker doesnt break the law (well any sane law, shit like the DMCA can fuck off) script kiddies and crackers are the one's who do shit like this.
If you leave your system wide open its like owning a retail space, and not having a clerk, or prices on anything. People will (rightly or wrongly) assume the merchandise is free if there are no prices, or methods of checkout. Leaving a system (any) wide open like that is where you get into trouble, its not B&E if there is no B.
The laws are already in place, have been for years and they are tough enough (5 years for causing damage is plenty, unless you think your average teen deserves life ?) very rarely do these problems result in real damage, mostly its "possible" or "potential" damage, much the same way spilling a milkshake on those gap jeans at the mall is, its easily repairable, and the responsibility lies on the store keep for allowing the shake in the store, and the person who spilled it.
Then how are people going to learn ? and why should the core linux market (geeks) be punished (any idea how long it takes to get all of the GCC shit to compile with deps ? ... ) for the sake of the few ? If Linux is going to advance it needs to stop trying to be windows and be Linux. stop with the moron proofing. Come right out with it and say "if your lazy or dumb, dont bother."
right because internet explorer should be renamed to internet; for complete idiots.
When you learn to drive you learn what the hell your supposed to do, the signs dont change to accomodate the newest slang, or foriegners. Why is it that linux is supposed to change to accomodate people who are to fucking lazy to read for 10 minutes ?
car's are different, so are OS's. its life, if linux is the exact same as windows what the hell is the benifit of switching ? Linux is regressing because people (morons) seem to think it needs to be idiot proof. sorry no. thats the reason a lot of people are sick of windows, thats why a lot of people have already left MS.
And who is to say what should be called "Instant messaging client" ? gaim, kaim, irc, etc etc etc etc
I love it when people try to simplfy things without actually looking at the details. its never that easy.
All cities have more culture than the burbs because the cities have been around longer and have a higher population density (ie easier to generate large crowds)
I am not a nature person, but the same thing you said about entertainment holds true for city living nature people - its a drive away.
I don't live in the burbs, it was a joke. but personally I don't get why somebody would live there, the city has a whole prolly has worse crime rate's, but the nicer area's are just as crime free as the burbs.
also without culture and entertainment WTF are you going to do ? go to the mall over and over again ? its been two years since I have been to a mall or shopping complex, I prefer to keep it that way.
Large groups of people also make a ton of activities more enjoyable. like concerts or sports.
I wouldnt have a need to administer a windows system. I work with real computers not the "point and click" variety.
Actually I get my security bullitens from bugtrack and packetstorm. But thanks for playing.
32 CPU's eh ? how about supporting how swapable components other than hard-drives ? how about being more stable than a beta project ? it might have been available for 4 years, but it wasn't ready until about 2 maybe 1.5 years ago.
most enterprise customers have no intrest in using MS systems to work on heavy metal, the few that have tried usually implement some half-n-half setup and eventually ween back to unix. trust me, I have seen it.
why go to a higher TCO ? why go to something thats unproven ? and why switch from a working model ? until real reasons are given its all a fantasy for MS and its fans. stick to the desktop, its what you know best.
People hate suburbia because it:
a) is boring.
b) is repititous
c) has no culture
d) has no entertainment.
f) has no individuals.
e) is repititous
thanks for the info.
Not much of a DB guy, I just know there are/were several major things that oracle does that MS-SQL doesnt.
Haven't personally come across something that MySQL or PostgreSQL doesnt do that I need, I doubt I ever will IMHO, but they are not ready for the enterprise.
You might have servers that have been running that long, and thats dandy. But they are not Enterprise level systems with a similar load and amount of data. Microsoft just recenetly made it into the enterprise, you think people are going to switch to a higher TCO (read some of those whitepapers) with less of a "proven track record"? on what fucking planet ? in an enterprise setting you run what works as long as it does, and as long as you have a contract for it. a high level contract with Sun or IBM is a 1 hour on-site four hour gauranteed replacement type contract, costing millions and millions of dollars that span years. They aren't going to just nullify the contract and the current install and most of the admins so they can run a "new" product. Granted some small and medium business's might be using MS-SQL but they would have never used anything else because there really isn't anything else in that price/performance/ease of use area that is promoted to them.
I have seen systems at large companies (thousands and thousands of users, tera-byte level of data) that haven't been down in years. High level fault tolerant systems with hot-swappable PSU's, CPU's, drives, mobo's etc because its not "economically" feasable to have downtime.
If you wanna start dragging IIS and exchange into this I will pull apache and sendmail into it, roughly 70% of the internet runs apache for a reason.
PS the webserver and DB server that we are using where I work (2 webservers hooked into 1 DB server) have 0 downtime in over a year, they run apache on linux and mySQL on solaris respectivly.
downtime is downtime, period.
No enterprise level customer "trys out new things" thats a fucking retarded thing to do when you lose millions per hour of downtime.
MS products blow ass in comparison to Unix on large systems, and they always have. I don't know where the hell you get your information but MS didnt even run on systems with more than 16 cpu's til fairly recently.
Getting there and being there are two different things. MySQL and Linux are growing and improving faster than anything in this market. But niether is a reasonable replacement for oracle, proprietary unix, or a mainframe.
MS and its software has come a long way, but in this market they have a long long way to go, people in the enterprise dont expect to get a virus or worm, have to reboot once a month for some major update that shouldnt be affecting them. (like the newest "help subsystem" bug).
My entire point was that this is not, never has been, MS's market. It is mostly a mainframe/Unix market and MS (and linux for that matter) are pushing into this market. Linux is gaining more headway because it is more unix-like making the transition and training easier, however it also suffers from some of the same flaws as windows. If MS wants this market its going to have to fight both the "old" and the "new" and I dont think they can win.
Ironic that you point that out .... about a decade late MS still isnt has good as unix an high end stuff.
.NET ?
And they are still trying to get into that market.
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.com boom the same people who think java should be used for everything.
.com web server. More like massive financial institution back end.
NO microsoft product is enterprise anything. Enterpprise level products have to go years without downtime microsoft doesnt do that, with any MS product your talking weeks, not months or years.
Name me a fortune 100 company that is using MS-SQL for mission critial highly intesive massivly used apps. I doubt even MS themselves would use it on internal apps. (they would of course use it on anything front-facing to avoid the whole MS uses blah debacle
MS-SQL (and all other microsoft products for that matter) have no place in the enterprise except on the desktop. Period. The only people who think different are the people who think monthly reboots are required, and uptime is calculated in the 2 digit range. These are mostly the twits who came into the industry during (or right before) the
The average person doesnt use a DB like they use a media player or browser, if they choose to bundle it fine, but its not a goddamn end user app. Its like saying that kernels are commoditized user apps. No. back end "not point and click" shit is not a "user land app" even MS isnt that fucking dense.
When it comes to enterprise level DB's your choice's are Oracle and DB2. Period.
If you really want me to get into specifics about this (oracle vs MS-SQL. don't know didly about db2) I can, last time I was involved in this discussion a year ago MS-SQL couldnt even do parallel execution of insert or delete; only queries. among other "need to have" features for an *Enterprise* level DB.
Just so we are clear an enterprise DB is mission critical minimum of 5 9's of uptime (99.999%) with thousands of users. Usually running on a system with over 16 processors, usually fully redundant. Not some home brew 2 proc system, not some
Microsoft is great at "ohhh and ahhh" shit, like desktops. There is a saying that I like "Do you know your system administrators name or extension ? No ? then he is doing his job". Do you know what DB your running ? no ? then its performing correctly.
Anyone other than the admin shouldnt have to know what is running on the server. Period. If emails have to be sent out about "emergency updates" or "unexpected failures" or any other such shit that is "mission critical" something isnt working right. or someone doesnt know wtf they are doing (pebkac?). MS doesnt usually alow for this kind of stability. they have come a long long way in the past few years, but they have a ways to go before their shit is called enterprise by anyone who works on enterprise level shit.
The only people I have heard call anything MS enterprise is MS employee's and management types.
on any mission critical DB they will have a trained DB admin. MS-SQL is nice and cuddly for low end user tasks (like all MS products) but when you get to the meat of what DB's are used for in a bussiness you start talking about better DB's such as DB2, Oracle, and postgreSQL (and yes mySQL if it can handle said task)
Also I might point out that Oracle should install fine on that system. I have a Sun V60 with almost the exact same config sitting next to me with oracle installed.
If a company is running an important piece of software (any not just DB's) without a properly qualified admin they are asking for trouble period. They are the type's that claim everything should "just work". Software isnt utopia, nothing is. Problems happen, be prepared.
where the war is fought and where microsoft wanted/wants it to be fought are two very different things .... FWIW.
Remeber microsoft handles things the way they "percieve" them to be, not the way they actually are.
But you are right.
MySQL is the Open source DB of choice for most for a reason. try it.
... and this is where the difference between a real database and some crufty piece of shit like ms-sql or ms-access comes in. A real DB will run much more effectivly on larger hardware that a crufty piece of shit. in other words: the performance increase once you get onto higher end machines is not equal, mySQL, postgreSQL and especially DB2 and Oracle experience massive gains in performance when compared to any MS database.
.... a large part of that is the platform it runs on IMHO.
Secondly although you can install Oracle on intel hardware it was not (and shouldnt be) desiegned for intel hardware
Not to be an ass (I am no DBA) but I have seen very large gains 15-20% in overall speed when PG or My are properly tweaked by a DBA with experience. I have never seen someone get comparable performance from MsSQL
I said nothing about them using only linux. or even primarily linux. but a customer running BSD or Unix or a mainframe is much much more likely to switch to linux than to windows. unix/bsd/linux are all of the same ilk, being based on open standards and not proprietary vendor based ones.
Linux is growing. Not much else is.
And by your logic people would like a house, car, movie, tv show, painting, musical, opera, porno, spouse, whatever so long as they see/hear it enough and it doesnt offend them. That explains suburbia ...
There are 168 usable hours in the week, 42 of which is used for sleeping and 50 for working that leaves (about average) 76 hours to do whatever with. you tell me that you work over 76 hours more than average or that you can't spend two or three hours a week browsing music and I will tell you your full of shit. You might not want to spend the time doing that, and its fine. But your post comes off like your activities are better than other people's. I also got a hint of that "I'm married single people aren't important" vibe.
and BTW where do you live, The reason I ask is I would preffer to never live there.
Very true. But you dont see many people buying a company that has 30k employees, and does billions in bussiness.
Its doesnt make any sense to buy sun just to dump its products, brainpower, and customers. If you buy Sun you have to be able to sustain the profitable parts of what you aquire or else you just bought a very expensive market shift. (which wont always shift the way you want.
the IP to add to the portfolio is nice. The brainpower at Sun is another reason. Java is another reason, Solaris (or the features from solaris) is another reason.
The customers are nice but the technology and IP that Sun owns would pay for itself. I think IBM is just waiting for a good price to come along. Thats possibly why MS gave sun the money, to prevent IBM from buying them. microsoft can't buy sun, the justice department and competitors wouldnt allow it.
You got one thing about that post right: "The battle against Linux has only just begun."
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.NET is still struggling to gain market share on java, thats part of the reason microsoft did this deal, so they can hedge their bets. If .NET fails then they can fall back onto java and vice-versa.
.NET. MS doesn't hold ANY weight in the enterprise and sun's forays into the low end have been minor disasters
Everything else is crap, microsoft probably runs less than half of the sites on the net (apache runs 70% or the web servers, and I would venture most of those run BSD/UNIX/Linux). Microsoft can bundle the fuck out of whatever they want, it will HURT them in the long run because customers are already becoming weary of their crap with licensing and forced upgrades etc
Only one fortune 100 company uses windows 2k3. (source: netcraft). And MS-SQL is a piece of shit, everyone knows that. If they use it in their filesystem they will kill performance and negate any stability increases they have had in the past 5 years.
The EU went after MS for the same reason the American justice department did, they broke laws. The only difference is the bush administration let them off since they are big business friendly.
Then of course their is this POS DRM built in OS they want to release (whats the ETA now 2007 ?). That won't go over well. Linux has been gaining market share in the desktop arena over the past few years without major vendor support, not that companies like HP, Dell and Sun are backing it, gaining more share is a foregone conclusion, especially at its current price point.
The only market overlap that existed between sun and MS was the development arena. java vs
Sun still has a lot of smart people working for them. However in the past few years a ton of their braintrust has left. Its eerily reminiscent of what happend at DEC towards the end .... bring in management and all the hackers will leave.
People like schwartz think that slick marketing and "features" are what will lead sun to microsoft like market dominance, that flies in the face of the past 20 years worth of sun's thought process.
SGI has no market share to speak of these days, HP and IBM (AIX) are the only other two "major" unix players and IBM has gained ground on Sun the past six quarters (?) and I believe they passed sun in unix marketshare quite some time ago (discarding "non unix" big iron).
IBM and HP are both backing linux (IBM is hopeful, HP is just hedging their bets) sun has been flimsy with their support of linux going back and forth and talking out of both sides of their mouth.
I think the reason Sun is spoken of so much is because they are an "old school" graybeard favorite. So certain groups of people have them placed on a pedestal, problem is they havent done anything in the past 5 years to justify it.
He is not a CEO. And he is a cocky asshole. And he is a two faced fuck. But he is smart, in the business sense.
This wasnt about the partnership it was about the money.
Tell me what exactly about solaris or a sun fire (sparc) system is bad ? or what about java is bad ?
Sun's problem (has hinted to by other posters) isnt a product issue, its an image issue. Sun views itself has an enterprise company, and so do its customers, so they expect enterprise level support on commodity software/hardware and it drives the cost way up.
Sun's is one of the best for big iron, their products have not decreased in quality, the market has shrunk. They are losing ground to Lintel systems.
Sun should consider switching wholesale to linux over the next few years, the reason they wont do that (microsoft type-thinking) is because is allows customers mobolity to switch to a fro from one vendor to another (linux being open and havnig some standards). Their heavy metal is fine, but there isnt much of a market for it and what little is left is switching.
Drop the solaris OS. Or port is major features/abilities to linux.
Drop or OpenSource java.
Focus on selling enterprise software more than enterprise systems.
I think they are going to try #3, but they are to cocky to do 1 or 2.
IBM would profit much much more from buying Sun. GE would also do well (if they want to re-enter this industry).
Apple however would suffer from the same problem as Sun, Do we back linux or macosx or solaris on X platform/price point ? macosx is a nice distro but i dont think is compares to solaris on big iron (or linux at this point) and is still majorly lacking the ISV's backing for enterprise usage. Would apple be comfortable having a half-n-half OS team ? half for solaris half for osx ? would they be able to maintain the "enterprise" image that sun still represents ?
I dont think apple would profit from buying a company thats exactly like apple. (small niche market share that is shrinking.)
I agree, the RIAA will shout and scream and whine. Maybe they will get tougher DRM used on all these mp3 sites.
It doesnt matter. What can be made can also be unmade. You encrypt something some hacker will come up with a way to decrypt it. Its a fact, The hackers are better at this stuff than the slick 4 year CS grad who only does it for the money.
Stop worrying. I think the artists themselves are growing weary of the major labels bullshit. Its only a matter of time before they move on.