Full post. For some reason It cut part of my post out, perhaps it was the less than sign.
There are no alternatives.
What is the american made equivalent (style, durability etc) of a Nike ? there isnt one. And that Nike shoe was made for about $10 USD yet sells for 10x that. I bet americans *could* make the same thing, but it would cost 3x more, and hence the parent company would feel the need to increase the price. rightly or wrongly.
Its the same with all products really, its not that the stuff cant be made in the US, its that making it in a foriegn country makes the company more money, it doesnt make it cheaper like they claim.
What is the american made equivalent (style, durability etc) of a Nike ? there isnt one. And that Nike shoe was made for
Its the same with all products really, its not that the stuff cant be made in the US, its that making it in a foriegn country makes the company more money, it doesnt make it cheaper like they claim.
you might have failed to see how you or your mother should be able to sue, but what about the doctor ? should he be let go ?
Sometimes hitting the greedy fuckers where it counts most is the only recourse.
As Long as the system favors the rich so much people will try to get rich any way possible. Just because your on your moral high horse doesnt mean that XYZ person shouldnt be allowed to sue for X million.
What if your father was the only provider in your family, and your mother needs medical attention that costs a forune, and the doctor was 100% at fault. He should get off with a slap on the wrist and your family should be fucked over ?
please explain how I authenticate myself to hotmail.com or the like ? pgp style public key encryption is subject to key hijacking/stealing. same with any other public key crypto.
I like the idea, but I dont see the implementation.
And if we encrypt all our mail how will the gov't track terrorists ? (sarcasm is so fun.)
Sure they can. I get spammed by plenty of people who can afford that. ISP's, banks, Amazon, partners of some company I bought a product through online, porn sites etc... All of which HAVE money. They can afford to send snail mail, they can afford 2k to spam me.
No matter what way you cut it this problem wont be solved by political bullshit, or bussiness bullshit. Its a technical issue, it will be solved by technical means. Some hacker needs to sit down and spend a few months writing an open standard for mail that takes SPAM into account. If a company does it, it'll hurt competition and the little guy, if the gov't does it, privacy will be gone.
This is a political solution with bussiness over-tones. I own several domains (nothing major) and want to spring up a few more over the summer. I dont spam anyone, and noone spam's people through my mailservers. But I cannot afford 2k. And I cant afford to be blocked by every major domain 'cause I cant afford 2k. Most major domains dont have mailservers setup in a way that is useful to me, so that idead is useless. This idea will screw over all small bussiness owners, and personal domain holders. Its a crock of shit.
Give me a technical solution, written by a technical person.
Someone please explain to me exactly how a smal/mid-size locally owned bussines can afford 2k to send mail ? They claim spammers wont pay the 2 grand on their webpage, thats bullshit. Spammers can and will pay this. You will however be excluding small bussiness's and personal domains.
And also exactly WHERE the money is going to ? The last thing we need is one governing body trying to control mail for the "betterment of all, so long as it helps our bottom line". We dont need a spam czar, or a spam conglomerate. We need the existing people to work together to prevent spam. ALL spam.
I call bullshit, And if I had mod points I would mod your ass down as a troll.
The average end user distro requires the same level of knowledge as the average windows install. Not to mention the potential difficulty behind trying to find a braille friendly license key.
I know several blind people (legally blind, and completely blind) who use linux/BSD both as a main operating system and as a hobby system.
Think about what your saying before you go off on some "linux is not user friendly" tangent, people who already know windows might have a hard time adapting but most people dont know enough for it to be a problem, (mind you that the average person doesnt even do updates) not to speak of people who know nothing at all.
Why are people willing to pay for Windows? They have been using it, it is what they know. It has problems, they are willing to pay to have those problems fixed.
Bullshit. The vast majority of people have never bought windows, and would never buy windows. Its included on every PC that you can think of outside of wal-mart and business machines. I still know more people who use 95 or 98 than XP.
Why is CompUSA stocked with Windows software? Because it is commonly used, so the market is bigger, so more software is written for it. Even if you are willing to pay more for a similar product under Linux, often it is not available. Of course, what is available is often free, but it may take an expert hours to complie it or set it up properly.
Have you ever used linux extensivly ? cause if you have you would know that 98% of the hardware out there works fine under linux without any downloads or driver disks. Why ? cause drivers are part of the kernel, most drivers are enabled by default on most linux distros to prevent you from having problems with this. Most software doesnt require compilation. Use a modern distro (Debian, mandrake etc) and use the package management tools available and you shall see the light. I'm "advanced" (some might call me an expert) and the only thing I can think of taking hours to setup is gentoo, from stage 1 and I dont do that on anything except MY workstation, because it is for advanced users. (in other words: shit breaks; a lot)
Why does so much hardware come with Windows drivers, but not linux drivers? Again, market size
See above.
Why do some websites only work right under Internet Explorer? Guess.
This is not '99, every website I have visited works fine under linux. name me one that doesnt, and please refraine from nasty porn crap. The only reason a website wouldnt work would be if the web design person fucked it up or has no idea what they are doing.
Linux's only failure is that most people dont know how to use it. Windows failure is they focus so much on income they try to force upgrade paths.
I know artists that use tablets and have no issue's with linux, or mac, or windows. But when I spent two hours walking my mother through "recovering" her toasted XP install on her laptop I realized something - windows is not user friendly.
The people who know ONLY windows think that it is user friendly, but thats because they think everything should act like windows and when it doesnt they get all pissed off and for the next X years they spout off about how bad Y OS is.
If you want to make a case for or against something make a factual statement about what your problem is, what your using what you have tried to do etc.... then maybe somebody will be able to assist your whiny ass in repairing the problem.
PS I worked in retail about the time MS released XP. You wanna talk about pain in the ass broke to fuck driver problems ? How about things that say "XP compatible" but aren't, try explaining that shit to grandma. At least linux doesnt have that problem.
Actually yes linux distro's do have those numbers, however just like windows in order to get support you have to BUY the product.
I disagree with your statement about XP being easier to use, given the same ammount of training on both platforms I bet the average user would be more happy with linux because they wont need the "extra" crap that windows uses like antivirus software.
People who think marketing matters dont pay attention to this MARKET ! we aren't talking about the old economy, most people think their PC is microsoft, and see my previous references in my last post, if martketing and branding matter so much why is there so much ambiguity within the branding of an average persons PC ? get a grip. I dont give a fuck what your prof. said, read a book on the history of the PC industry then maybe you might understand my point.
You hit the reason a major computer manufacturer doesnt ship an alternative OS right on the head, because the cost of shipping the microsoft based PC's would effectivly triple, thats called abusing your power has a monopoly, and the corporation otherwise known has the republican party has refused to do what they should and break up MS. If MS is so great then why do they need such arcane and restrictive OEM contracts ? why not let them ship whatever OS they want ? whats that ? because people will buy the computer that costs LESS ? Why ? because COST matters more than anything else, including branding, marketing and whatever crappy ass bussiness reasoning you can come up with.
you want marketing ? IBM does marketing for linux, so does sun. and they have been doing it for a shorter period of time and havent even aimed it at the end user, and linux has passed apple, gaining market share. I love people that are afraid of change, and i love people who cling to the old ways of doing things, like needing to spend copious amounts of money on marketing that doesnt accomplish shit.
They dont go pandering to distributers because they dont need to. which is why you dont like them, they undermine your job/ideals.
Microsoft has been convicted of abusing their monopoly, if they continue this practice they should be punished more. and the government is not only around for property laws, its around for all laws. thats the basic principle of our society and no amount of pro capitalist marketing majors can change that.
No they didnt start out a monopoly, they used a monopoly (IBM) to get an advantage over their only real competition in apple, they then established a monopoly and broke HUNDREDS of laws to mantain it and expand it. The reason they fear linux is because after this SCO shite fails there wont be anything they can do to "crush" linux. and then they will fail.
And it took years for MS to gain enough market share to be considered a monopoly. why is linux supposed to do it overnight ?
any replies you come up with will be ignored. When you get out of school and get a job in the real world, you might understand that marketing (in all its facet's) doesnt mean dick in this fight.
why do people like you who seem to think that everyone in this world knows everything about windows, and as such would never want to use anything else ? Grandma might not have a compsci major in her bridge club, but what the fuck makes you think that she will know anything else about windows that she does about linux ?? were you around back in the mid-90's ? windows got popular because of WORD OF MOUTH ! and because it was used in bussiness's which was in part because of WORD OF MOUTH among the people who were in charge of buying computers for bussiness's, then home users wanted the same thing at home as they had at work, and hence they bough windows. and it wasnt because they knew it was windows, or what the difference was between windows and mac. it was because somebody TOLD them, and it wasnt a marketing campaign, if marketing was everything we would all be using apple's.
You keep bringing up firefox and its name change, whoopdee fucking do. firefox isnt even at 1.0 yet and somehow them changing there name matters ? I bet if you ask the average person what their OS is they might answer Internet Explorer, ask them what their web browser is and they might say the internet. Branding doesnt mean dick these days. It means even less with products the average person doesnt know anything about.
The average person doesnt install ANY computer OS and that includes windows, so yes bundling has A megafuckton to do with what grandma runs on her PC. Most people have at least heard of linux, its kinda hard to avoid unless you dont watch the national news, avoid news websites, and have nothing to do with investments. most people do at least one of the above, they might not understand what linux is, but that doesnt matter cuz they dont understand what windows is either.
Linux doesnt have to tell people why to switch. Microsoft never told anyone why to switch. Thats not the way this works, we aren't talking about cars with grandpa, the one who refuses to drive anything but a caddy. The average user (~90% of the market) doesnt know or care what runs on their computer as such once this "linux" thing starts getting a larger and larger share of the desktop world your going to see more and more companies marketing to it, coding for it etc.... and then the dell's and gateways of the world will be forced to bundle it, and then all of a sudden grandma and her entire fucking bridge club are running linux. kinda like what happend with windows.
And I am asking you to back up your claim of having to fiddle more with mandrake, fedora or any other END user distro. Last time I checked grandma still had to call dell to get shit to work with her PC, I know this because they still have thousands of people working in call centers walking grandma through the latest windows update, and explaining why all of a sudden X program doesnt work anymore.
You keep claiming marketing succeeds in the desktop user OS world. sight your example, microsoft isnt it.
The gov't is free to enforce existing laws as it sees fit. if it doesnt order the companies around then it can kindly ignore me while i steal your car, rape your wife, and kill your kids. Doesnt sound to appealing ? didnt think so, and just because MS has a fuckton of cash doesnt mean they should be allowed to do the bussiness world equivlent.
Microsoft has never innovated shit. they have bought others innovation, stolen others innovation, and copied others innovation but never ever created it.
And just a guess, are you a marketing major, or trying to get a job with MS or an MS friendly firm ? because your veiws are rather short sighted and dont take history or market trends (let alone actual research) into account.
Fuck marketing. Keep advertising people the hell away from anything even remotely technical. Period. They are the reason jobs are going overseas, as is MS for trying to make computers fool proof, when you make the level of entry on a product so low that anybody can attain it and use it you lower the intelligence of your users, you will then have to babysit those users more and more as their intelligence level decreases. I don't want Linux to be moron friendly.
Secondly if you only know one person who uses Linux you must live in a small place in the US, and not have much interaction with people because Linux runs on more desktops than apple, and thats only according to "marketing" types who only count purchased versions of software. Linux is better than MS at most everything, its a better design, its more stable, more secure, and yes its more user friendly because it just works (TM).
You made some comment about needing to write drivers or some such shit, and let me ask you when exactly you happened to have this problem, because I have been using Linux exclusively for about 4 years now and I still don't code, and have never needed to.
Grandma can use debian, and mandrake once she is shown HOW to use debian or mandrake. Do you think grandma is like neo with windows ? that she is somehow going to just "know" how this shit works ? sorry pal, your dead ass wrong about that. As a matter of fact I am willing to bet that the average user couldn't tell Gnome from windows at this point, let alone have a problem with it.
I love how you are making all of these asinine comparisons like "she knows how to close pop-ups" sorry I haven't seen one of those on Linux in over a Year. Have you even used Linux recently ? Or are you commenting on some article that you read someplace ?
And just out of curiosity: If Linux isn't a threat why is MS calling it a threat ? Why has Linux gained more market share in three years than mac has in four ? And don't even get me started on whats going to happen when Sun and IBM start distributing all-in-one solutions running Linux on the desktop.
Word of mouth is the most influential thing. And I know a lot of people who are curios about this "Linux" thing and why its better than windows. And I didn't even have to tell them it was better, they already knew that.
First and foremost, open source has nothing to do with linux, the idea and implementation was around long before linux, linus just chose to use that idea in regards to his product, so stop acting like the two are intertwined.
Secondly, If microsoft disappeared tomorrow the only things that would be affected are people and bussiness that arent diverse enough in their infrastructure and products. Every major AV vendor would be gone, would this be bad ? I couldnt give two squats less, I dont get virus's on my solaris box's or my linux box's. (and screw hypotheticals about what MIGHT happen.) Every major ISV that markets just to MS products would be gone, despite what people think, they are not needed, them disappearing wouldnt matter.
Marketing does not determine weather a product is good or not. Apple does better marketing than MS, as a matter of fact I cant even remember MS ever advertising windows. WHY ? because they dont have to, thats the advantage of being an illegal monopoly, you can force people to use an inferior product, and lock them into that product for indeterminable amounts of time.
And who gets to determine whats user friendly ? Not everyone is as fucking retarded as the average MS user, not everyone wants or needs the computer to tell them they are stupid using 2 gajillion different popups, and wanrings/errors
(POPUP) Don't do that.
(POPUP) Be sure you wanna edit that.
(POPUP) Your stupid. I'm a piece of software written by a person who doesnt think you can do anything other than what they want. Dont edit that file.
I have both of my parents one grandparent and several SALES people I know running various Linux's on their computers and they have no friggin problems, and I frequently get compliments on how "fast" "easy" and "steady" it is.
Why dont all of you MS fan-boys use a computer for something other than porn, video games, and l33t hax0red m0v13s. then you MIGHT have something to talk about.
The guys woman is apparently hot and smart, although she isnt kinky i would bet the saying 2 out of 3 aint bad comes into play here.
Besides which, where the hell do you find freaky geek chick's ? its like trying to find a dodo bird, the only difference is there is proof the dodo exsisted, freaky geek chicks ? i think not. at least not hot freaky geek chicks.
the fun thing about this is that if they win everyone is screwed since all modern OS's have SOME unix stuff (or derivatives) in them (even windows).
Think about the mess this would cause, they could license solaris code to IBM, aix code to ms, BSD code to everyone and would still have a hard time getting abybody to use HP-UX code........
perhaps Clinton was in office during the period of time during which the crimes were comitted, but bush's administration was the one that failed to push for the max penalties, and failed to properly push for in depth investigation. Hell the bush administration has spent more money investigating the Clinton/lewinsky scandal than enron or worldcom.
Also of note is that Kenneth Lay "the top dog" donated TONS of cash to Bush for his campaign, as did enron while he was in charge.
and what if they have already lost their job ? or think they might ?
Right now i am willing to bet somebody at microsoft is training his russian/indian/chinese replacements, i am willing to bet that he has more of a reason to insert nasty code than 99.9% of open source coders. and since by microsofts own admission "if our code is opened it will destabilize the economy" what exactly gaurantees that the back door isnt already inserted ?
With open source you dont have to trust anyone else, you can audit the code yourself or pay some neutral third party to do it for you. With closed source you trust a COMPANY who's sole motive is profit, even at the cost of lying, cheating and stealing.
I trust the eyes of me and my co-workers a lot more than microsoft's; or anyone else's for that matter.
were you born using windows ? nope. you had to learn it, once you get used to OSS (generically speaking once you know one you know enough to use the rest) you will say the EXACT same thing about windows. trust me, i havent used windows in years and now everytime asks me about something in windows i just blankly stare at them and mutter about using vim and bash.....
user friendliness is up to the USER not a GROUP of people who deciede to force their definitions onto other people. I have installed redhat and gentoo onto (l)users systems including my computer illiterate mother, and i have not gotten any complaints, and have gotten quite a few compliments and thank you's.
and yes i agree, hunting for the right version of a windows driver is a pain. and trying to figure out why the hardware manager has that damn ! icon next to the hardware is also a pain. getting virus's is a pain to.
probably the same reason a guy hasnt filed one for "natural breast" enlargement. or "Hot Hunks 4 you" and other such shite.
Or more likely the case: Any sane lawyer knows that email is ambiguous you can't tell a persons sex by their email address.
As a side note, perhaps farmers should sue. After all seeing a horse do that thing with the girl has reduced the demand for his product, no small dick guys will ever own a horse ~!!~
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now that was mutherfucking amusing.
Mod Parent Up.
Full post. For some reason It cut part of my post out, perhaps it was the less than sign. There are no alternatives.
What is the american made equivalent (style, durability etc) of a Nike ? there isnt one. And that Nike shoe was made for about $10 USD yet sells for 10x that. I bet americans *could* make the same thing, but it would cost 3x more, and hence the parent company would feel the need to increase the price. rightly or wrongly.
Its the same with all products really, its not that the stuff cant be made in the US, its that making it in a foriegn country makes the company more money, it doesnt make it cheaper like they claim.
There are no alternatives.
What is the american made equivalent (style, durability etc) of a Nike ? there isnt one. And that Nike shoe was made for
Its the same with all products really, its not that the stuff cant be made in the US, its that making it in a foriegn country makes the company more money, it doesnt make it cheaper like they claim.
you might have failed to see how you or your mother should be able to sue, but what about the doctor ? should he be let go ?
Sometimes hitting the greedy fuckers where it counts most is the only recourse.
As Long as the system favors the rich so much people will try to get rich any way possible. Just because your on your moral high horse doesnt mean that XYZ person shouldnt be allowed to sue for X million.
What if your father was the only provider in your family, and your mother needs medical attention that costs a forune, and the doctor was 100% at fault. He should get off with a slap on the wrist and your family should be fucked over ?
perhaps your both missing the point.
Do they have oil ?
please explain how I authenticate myself to hotmail.com or the like ? pgp style public key encryption is subject to key hijacking/stealing. same with any other public key crypto.
I like the idea, but I dont see the implementation. And if we encrypt all our mail how will the gov't track terrorists ? (sarcasm is so fun.)
Sure they can. I get spammed by plenty of people who can afford that. ISP's, banks, Amazon, partners of some company I bought a product through online, porn sites etc... All of which HAVE money. They can afford to send snail mail, they can afford 2k to spam me.
No matter what way you cut it this problem wont be solved by political bullshit, or bussiness bullshit. Its a technical issue, it will be solved by technical means. Some hacker needs to sit down and spend a few months writing an open standard for mail that takes SPAM into account. If a company does it, it'll hurt competition and the little guy, if the gov't does it, privacy will be gone.
This is a political solution with bussiness over-tones. I own several domains (nothing major) and want to spring up a few more over the summer. I dont spam anyone, and noone spam's people through my mailservers. But I cannot afford 2k. And I cant afford to be blocked by every major domain 'cause I cant afford 2k. Most major domains dont have mailservers setup in a way that is useful to me, so that idead is useless. This idea will screw over all small bussiness owners, and personal domain holders. Its a crock of shit.
Give me a technical solution, written by a technical person.
Someone please explain to me exactly how a smal/mid-size locally owned bussines can afford 2k to send mail ? They claim spammers wont pay the 2 grand on their webpage, thats bullshit. Spammers can and will pay this. You will however be excluding small bussiness's and personal domains.
And also exactly WHERE the money is going to ? The last thing we need is one governing body trying to control mail for the "betterment of all, so long as it helps our bottom line". We dont need a spam czar, or a spam conglomerate. We need the existing people to work together to prevent spam. ALL spam.
This is a half assed idea.
no argument here. however at this point OSXis less accessible to the blind.
I call bullshit, And if I had mod points I would mod your ass down as a troll.
The average end user distro requires the same level of knowledge as the average windows install. Not to mention the potential difficulty behind trying to find a braille friendly license key.
I know several blind people (legally blind, and completely blind) who use linux/BSD both as a main operating system and as a hobby system.
Think about what your saying before you go off on some "linux is not user friendly" tangent, people who already know windows might have a hard time adapting but most people dont know enough for it to be a problem, (mind you that the average person doesnt even do updates) not to speak of people who know nothing at all.
I'll bite.
Why are people willing to pay for Windows? They have been using it, it is what they know. It has problems, they are willing to pay to have those problems fixed.
Bullshit. The vast majority of people have never bought windows, and would never buy windows. Its included on every PC that you can think of outside of wal-mart and business machines. I still know more people who use 95 or 98 than XP.
Why is CompUSA stocked with Windows software? Because it is commonly used, so the market is bigger, so more software is written for it. Even if you are willing to pay more for a similar product under Linux, often it is not available. Of course, what is available is often free, but it may take an expert hours to complie it or set it up properly.
Have you ever used linux extensivly ? cause if you have you would know that 98% of the hardware out there works fine under linux without any downloads or driver disks. Why ? cause drivers are part of the kernel, most drivers are enabled by default on most linux distros to prevent you from having problems with this. Most software doesnt require compilation. Use a modern distro (Debian, mandrake etc) and use the package management tools available and you shall see the light. I'm "advanced" (some might call me an expert) and the only thing I can think of taking hours to setup is gentoo, from stage 1 and I dont do that on anything except MY workstation, because it is for advanced users. (in other words: shit breaks; a lot)
Why does so much hardware come with Windows drivers, but not linux drivers? Again, market size
See above.
Why do some websites only work right under Internet Explorer? Guess.
This is not '99, every website I have visited works fine under linux. name me one that doesnt, and please refraine from nasty porn crap. The only reason a website wouldnt work would be if the web design person fucked it up or has no idea what they are doing.
Your both wrong.
.... then maybe somebody will be able to assist your whiny ass in repairing the problem.
Linux's only failure is that most people dont know how to use it. Windows failure is they focus so much on income they try to force upgrade paths.
I know artists that use tablets and have no issue's with linux, or mac, or windows. But when I spent two hours walking my mother through "recovering" her toasted XP install on her laptop I realized something - windows is not user friendly.
The people who know ONLY windows think that it is user friendly, but thats because they think everything should act like windows and when it doesnt they get all pissed off and for the next X years they spout off about how bad Y OS is.
If you want to make a case for or against something make a factual statement about what your problem is, what your using what you have tried to do etc
PS I worked in retail about the time MS released XP. You wanna talk about pain in the ass broke to fuck driver problems ? How about things that say "XP compatible" but aren't, try explaining that shit to grandma. At least linux doesnt have that problem.
Actually yes linux distro's do have those numbers, however just like windows in order to get support you have to BUY the product.
I disagree with your statement about XP being easier to use, given the same ammount of training on both platforms I bet the average user would be more happy with linux because they wont need the "extra" crap that windows uses like antivirus software.
People who think marketing matters dont pay attention to this MARKET ! we aren't talking about the old economy, most people think their PC is microsoft, and see my previous references in my last post, if martketing and branding matter so much why is there so much ambiguity within the branding of an average persons PC ? get a grip. I dont give a fuck what your prof. said, read a book on the history of the PC industry then maybe you might understand my point.
You hit the reason a major computer manufacturer doesnt ship an alternative OS right on the head, because the cost of shipping the microsoft based PC's would effectivly triple, thats called abusing your power has a monopoly, and the corporation otherwise known has the republican party has refused to do what they should and break up MS. If MS is so great then why do they need such arcane and restrictive OEM contracts ? why not let them ship whatever OS they want ? whats that ? because people will buy the computer that costs LESS ? Why ? because COST matters more than anything else, including branding, marketing and whatever crappy ass bussiness reasoning you can come up with.
you want marketing ? IBM does marketing for linux, so does sun. and they have been doing it for a shorter period of time and havent even aimed it at the end user, and linux has passed apple, gaining market share. I love people that are afraid of change, and i love people who cling to the old ways of doing things, like needing to spend copious amounts of money on marketing that doesnt accomplish shit.
They dont go pandering to distributers because they dont need to. which is why you dont like them, they undermine your job/ideals.
Microsoft has been convicted of abusing their monopoly, if they continue this practice they should be punished more. and the government is not only around for property laws, its around for all laws. thats the basic principle of our society and no amount of pro capitalist marketing majors can change that.
No they didnt start out a monopoly, they used a monopoly (IBM) to get an advantage over their only real competition in apple, they then established a monopoly and broke HUNDREDS of laws to mantain it and expand it. The reason they fear linux is because after this SCO shite fails there wont be anything they can do to "crush" linux. and then they will fail.
And it took years for MS to gain enough market share to be considered a monopoly. why is linux supposed to do it overnight ?
any replies you come up with will be ignored. When you get out of school and get a job in the real world, you might understand that marketing (in all its facet's) doesnt mean dick in this fight.
why do people like you who seem to think that everyone in this world knows everything about windows, and as such would never want to use anything else ? Grandma might not have a compsci major in her bridge club, but what the fuck makes you think that she will know anything else about windows that she does about linux ?? were you around back in the mid-90's ? windows got popular because of WORD OF MOUTH ! and because it was used in bussiness's which was in part because of WORD OF MOUTH among the people who were in charge of buying computers for bussiness's, then home users wanted the same thing at home as they had at work, and hence they bough windows. and it wasnt because they knew it was windows, or what the difference was between windows and mac. it was because somebody TOLD them, and it wasnt a marketing campaign, if marketing was everything we would all be using apple's.
.... and then the dell's and gateways of the world will be forced to bundle it, and then all of a sudden grandma and her entire fucking bridge club are running linux. kinda like what happend with windows.
You keep bringing up firefox and its name change, whoopdee fucking do. firefox isnt even at 1.0 yet and somehow them changing there name matters ? I bet if you ask the average person what their OS is they might answer Internet Explorer, ask them what their web browser is and they might say the internet. Branding doesnt mean dick these days. It means even less with products the average person doesnt know anything about.
The average person doesnt install ANY computer OS and that includes windows, so yes bundling has A megafuckton to do with what grandma runs on her PC. Most people have at least heard of linux, its kinda hard to avoid unless you dont watch the national news, avoid news websites, and have nothing to do with investments. most people do at least one of the above, they might not understand what linux is, but that doesnt matter cuz they dont understand what windows is either.
Linux doesnt have to tell people why to switch. Microsoft never told anyone why to switch. Thats not the way this works, we aren't talking about cars with grandpa, the one who refuses to drive anything but a caddy. The average user (~90% of the market) doesnt know or care what runs on their computer as such once this "linux" thing starts getting a larger and larger share of the desktop world your going to see more and more companies marketing to it, coding for it etc
And I am asking you to back up your claim of having to fiddle more with mandrake, fedora or any other END user distro. Last time I checked grandma still had to call dell to get shit to work with her PC, I know this because they still have thousands of people working in call centers walking grandma through the latest windows update, and explaining why all of a sudden X program doesnt work anymore.
You keep claiming marketing succeeds in the desktop user OS world. sight your example, microsoft isnt it.
The gov't is free to enforce existing laws as it sees fit. if it doesnt order the companies around then it can kindly ignore me while i steal your car, rape your wife, and kill your kids. Doesnt sound to appealing ? didnt think so, and just because MS has a fuckton of cash doesnt mean they should be allowed to do the bussiness world equivlent.
Microsoft has never innovated shit. they have bought others innovation, stolen others innovation, and copied others innovation but never ever created it.
And just a guess, are you a marketing major, or trying to get a job with MS or an MS friendly firm ? because your veiws are rather short sighted and dont take history or market trends (let alone actual research) into account.
Fuck marketing. Keep advertising people the hell away from anything even remotely technical. Period. They are the reason jobs are going overseas, as is MS for trying to make computers fool proof, when you make the level of entry on a product so low that anybody can attain it and use it you lower the intelligence of your users, you will then have to babysit those users more and more as their intelligence level decreases. I don't want Linux to be moron friendly.
Secondly if you only know one person who uses Linux you must live in a small place in the US, and not have much interaction with people because Linux runs on more desktops than apple, and thats only according to "marketing" types who only count purchased versions of software. Linux is better than MS at most everything, its a better design, its more stable, more secure, and yes its more user friendly because it just works (TM).
You made some comment about needing to write drivers or some such shit, and let me ask you when exactly you happened to have this problem, because I have been using Linux exclusively for about 4 years now and I still don't code, and have never needed to.
Grandma can use debian, and mandrake once she is shown HOW to use debian or mandrake. Do you think grandma is like neo with windows ? that she is somehow going to just "know" how this shit works ? sorry pal, your dead ass wrong about that. As a matter of fact I am willing to bet that the average user couldn't tell Gnome from windows at this point, let alone have a problem with it.
I love how you are making all of these asinine comparisons like "she knows how to close pop-ups" sorry I haven't seen one of those on Linux in over a Year. Have you even used Linux recently ? Or are you commenting on some article that you read someplace ?
And just out of curiosity: If Linux isn't a threat why is MS calling it a threat ? Why has Linux gained more market share in three years than mac has in four ? And don't even get me started on whats going to happen when Sun and IBM start distributing all-in-one solutions running Linux on the desktop.
Word of mouth is the most influential thing. And I know a lot of people who are curios about this "Linux" thing and why its better than windows. And I didn't even have to tell them it was better, they already knew that.
Could you be a bigger jackass ?
First and foremost, open source has nothing to do with linux, the idea and implementation was around long before linux, linus just chose to use that idea in regards to his product, so stop acting like the two are intertwined.
Secondly, If microsoft disappeared tomorrow the only things that would be affected are people and bussiness that arent diverse enough in their infrastructure and products. Every major AV vendor would be gone, would this be bad ? I couldnt give two squats less, I dont get virus's on my solaris box's or my linux box's. (and screw hypotheticals about what MIGHT happen.) Every major ISV that markets just to MS products would be gone, despite what people think, they are not needed, them disappearing wouldnt matter.
Marketing does not determine weather a product is good or not. Apple does better marketing than MS, as a matter of fact I cant even remember MS ever advertising windows. WHY ? because they dont have to, thats the advantage of being an illegal monopoly, you can force people to use an inferior product, and lock them into that product for indeterminable amounts of time.
And who gets to determine whats user friendly ? Not everyone is as fucking retarded as the average MS user, not everyone wants or needs the computer to tell them they are stupid using 2 gajillion different popups, and wanrings/errors
(POPUP) Don't do that.
(POPUP) Be sure you wanna edit that.
(POPUP) Your stupid. I'm a piece of software written by a person who doesnt think you can do anything other than what they want. Dont edit that file.
I have both of my parents one grandparent and several SALES people I know running various Linux's on their computers and they have no friggin problems, and I frequently get compliments on how "fast" "easy" and "steady" it is.
Why dont all of you MS fan-boys use a computer for something other than porn, video games, and l33t hax0red m0v13s. then you MIGHT have something to talk about.
Not to make such a large deal about it but .....
The guys woman is apparently hot and smart, although she isnt kinky i would bet the saying 2 out of 3 aint bad comes into play here.
Besides which, where the hell do you find freaky geek chick's ? its like trying to find a dodo bird, the only difference is there is proof the dodo exsisted, freaky geek chicks ? i think not. at least not hot freaky geek chicks.
sounds like a cron job my man ......
the fun thing about this is that if they win everyone is screwed since all modern OS's have SOME unix stuff (or derivatives) in them (even windows).
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Think about the mess this would cause, they could license solaris code to IBM, aix code to ms, BSD code to everyone and would still have a hard time getting abybody to use HP-UX code
perhaps Clinton was in office during the period of time during which the crimes were comitted, but bush's administration was the one that failed to push for the max penalties, and failed to properly push for in depth investigation. Hell the bush administration has spent more money investigating the Clinton/lewinsky scandal than enron or worldcom.
Also of note is that Kenneth Lay "the top dog" donated TONS of cash to Bush for his campaign, as did enron while he was in charge.
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and what if they have already lost their job ? or think they might ?
Right now i am willing to bet somebody at microsoft is training his russian/indian/chinese replacements, i am willing to bet that he has more of a reason to insert nasty code than 99.9% of open source coders. and since by microsofts own admission "if our code is opened it will destabilize the economy" what exactly gaurantees that the back door isnt already inserted ?
With open source you dont have to trust anyone else, you can audit the code yourself or pay some neutral third party to do it for you. With closed source you trust a COMPANY who's sole motive is profit, even at the cost of lying, cheating and stealing.
I trust the eyes of me and my co-workers a lot more than microsoft's; or anyone else's for that matter.
i know and dont use windows because its a pain.
the only reason you would think something is a pain is if you do not know it well enough, which would cause you to expend to much T&E on it.
were you born using windows ? nope. you had to learn it, once you get used to OSS (generically speaking once you know one you know enough to use the rest) you will say the EXACT same thing about windows. trust me, i havent used windows in years and now everytime asks me about something in windows i just blankly stare at them and mutter about using vim and bash .....
user friendliness is up to the USER not a GROUP of people who deciede to force their definitions onto other people. I have installed redhat and gentoo onto (l)users systems including my computer illiterate mother, and i have not gotten any complaints, and have gotten quite a few compliments and thank you's.
and yes i agree, hunting for the right version of a windows driver is a pain. and trying to figure out why the hardware manager has that damn ! icon next to the hardware is also a pain. getting virus's is a pain to.
Yes width is important, as is length.
The most important thing is the stroke itself. The longer the stroke the more pleasure a woman would get from it.
probably the same reason a guy hasnt filed one for "natural breast" enlargement. or "Hot Hunks 4 you" and other such shite.
Or more likely the case: Any sane lawyer knows that email is ambiguous you can't tell a persons sex by their email address.
As a side note, perhaps farmers should sue. After all seeing a horse do that thing with the girl has reduced the demand for his product, no small dick guys will ever own a horse ~!!~