I must not be getting your point. True, many people don't care what is by default installed on their systems and will happily be using those programs. Most often, when I offer people choices and show them the differences, without a slant, and give them the opportunity (KEY WORD THERE), more often or not, they will go with something that is not made by microsoft - with the exception of the operating system.
Yes.. even if it's' free and included. However some still choose to keep the MS defaults because of either the UI is what they're used to, or simply don't want to relearn something else... even if it is better in their own opinion.
I don't mind MS products to be honest with you. I prefer to use MS Office 2003 supplied by my company than OpenOffice.org. It is faster, and I have plenty of hard drive space (300+gig) to play with. I can't stand the media player or messenger for two reasons:
1) I prefer Winamp over almost anything based on a decision made years ago. It is just something I like MORE than the others in comparison.
2) Gaim will allow me to be signed on to AIM, ICQ, MSN in a single window and allow me to have tabbed conversations. Even allow me to log onto multiple accounts of the same protocol where as you would have to use a third party hack to do that with the default clients. (I like to keep family, work, gaming buddies separated and do so with a reason).
Thanks for the direct link. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that the installation includes the "optional" Google Toolbar. It seems this optional component is mandatory.
Granted, worse things could be installed, but not everyone may want this. Somewhat hidden the installation of Googole Toolbar is.
I'm not sure what you're talking to, the file that I downloaded (MD5 = 1b3f17303ac11baad535e304c5ec758a *DivXPlay.exe) doesn't have the google toolbar as an optional componnent. It's not even listed there.
[... hold on...]
I just checked and the md5's are the same, and there's no google toolbar option. Try downloading the program again. I'm not sure where you downloaded it from exactly. Try the direct link I supplied.
Microsoft said it bears no responsibility for making PC manufacturers use Windows XP N. "Microsoft has made these products available through its standard distribution channels," a company representative said. "Whether or not customers or distributors offer this product in Europe is a decision for individual computer manufacturers, enterprise customers and retailers."
Microsoft has been known to strongarm companies to carry a certian version of their Windows Operating Systems, with pricing or threats of removing licences so the statement of "...is a decision for individual computer manufacturers...", is in my opinion, a lie.
Since when has MS taken a lax approach to what version of Windows OS retailers and OEM's install on their systems?
I don't see a problem with Microsoft bundling any software of their own with Microsoft Windows XP such as Windows Messenger, Windows Media Player, MS Internet Explorer and others. What I have a problem with is the inability to uninstall said media player and other programs without severely hindering the operating system to the point of crashing or worse, incompatibility with programs that don't themselves correctly interface to the default browser, IM client and media player.
That is the real problem I see. Not the exclusion or inclusion of programs or their efforts to play favorites (come on... within reason!) with their own software. Hell, I'd do the same thing. But making it so you can not remove a software program by choice without resorting to some advanced (for the home user) hacking or third party (possibly buggy, problematic or worse - trojaned) program or scripts to do it for you.
What we really need is Microsoft to allow removal of any and all programs that are not basic for an operating system. Yes, even Internet Explorer. By itself, if it weren't tied into the OS itself and able to be run in locked memory away from other programs (to eliminate potential points of attack) it's fine. Older versions weren't so bad because they were just that... stand alone.
I'm not even a fan of the KDE Konqueror(SP?) browser being integrated. While it's great to have a browser by default, the potential problems that can happen (taking out your shell, yes it's happened, AND your X DE) are too great for my taste. The internet hasn't been safe for a LONG time. Even the bandaid of an included firewall with SP2 won't solve much in the long run.
Correct engineering of software programs and their development, it seems, are almost lost. Where are the programming and engineering teams with good ideas with the skill and desire to pull it off?
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Anytime. I appreciate comments such as yours. I don't know everything and I ususally need more info than shown in the article. Thank you.
You're welcome. Yours was great too and I can't find info quite so easily myself. Website designers need to really keep things simple for the general (as in non specified engineers/non nerds of a specific type of technology) people.
I realise this may be 'dumbing it down' and somewhat insulting, but how hard is a simple [Home] [Products & Services] [Downloads] [FAQ] [Forums] and [Contact] do to?
So what if some of them overlap into each others category! Not everything needs it's own place with confusing titles where one could mean the other but it doesn't only in this instance. Right?
Maybe the simplest answer isn't the most correct of all and I could be mistaken. A simple download.php with a list of links for each type of install and an optional registration form at the top would suffice. Wouldn't hurt would it?
just my 2cents worth
Thanks for the defense...
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I didn't realize people modded this kind of useful information down simply because their perceptions of karma whoring are slightly off. I've hit a karma cap and really never have cared for it in the first place.
Slashdot is the only forum where your unpopular and unfairly modded comments result in censorship, something the/. community is usually against.
If you remember from your history class, Pearl Harbor was in direct responce to the United States economic and political pressures, which were at the time, quite a misperception.
The increasing diplomatic confrontations and economic sanctions against Japan by the United States and others, compounded by Japan's undeclared war in China and the weakening of European control in Asian colonies, precipitated the war in the Pacific.
You can find this information here: http://www.mindef.gov.sg.nyud.net:8090/safti/point er/back/journals/2000/Vol26_1/5.htm and search on google for more information. Don't mistakenly call 9/11/01 anything similar to Pearl Harbor. We didn't sanction the terrorists or put any political pressure on them, but the we did to the Japanese. The terrorists or muslim extremists, or whatever you want to call them, were NOT provoked. They simply call us heathans, infidels and say we've been interfering for generations.
We have, like other countries. But you don't see those places being attacked with their own airplanes now do you?
I worked at a company once that refused to get a "cube farm". They had a giant open room with large windows on two sides of the office and multiple desks without any partitions. People were placed together based on job/team/area within that particular office. White noise emitters were used, but not in abundance to drive you crazy but used only when noise was really "busy".
Cube farms are productivity and soul killers. The only way is with an "open" office without huge CRT's but flatscreens and hidden computer towers.
Believe it or not, a LOT of schools do just this under the guise of actually producing employable people with ideas, intelligence (as opposed to memorized facts and assorted bs that means jack shit in the real world) and fluff.
Most of the good schools that teach you skills, coming all from my limited scope and experience visiting many campuses across the US of A over the past 10 years and reading the curriculum are in fact, a hard search to boot. The old days of a name from an ivy league college are at an end and have been for some time. It's all staked on an old and currently undeserved reputation.
Cornell is great and NYU too, from my personal experience. But the quality of individuals being pumped out of universities over the past 5 years is absolutely atrocious. You can teach anyone data, processes and supply chain it seems when it comes to business.
How about ethics? The ability to think FAR outside the box in truly innovative and creative ways? Do I expect too much of my coworkers to actually work and be efficient / cohesive in a business environment? What does it take to get employees like that? I'm not talking the difference between a degree vs. no degree b/c I would almost always choose a degree over someone without one for a whole array of reasons.
But choosing someone with actual ethics and proven ability to work and do what their told without the deep need to rebel against "the man" or some fictional agenda people seem to have, where conforming is seen as the worst thing since fire and brimstone in hell - THAT is definitely someone I would hire. And not a drone. Drones can be replaced by machines and fab plants that don't require unions and intensive cash drainage annually... or when the employee wants to sue because they think they "deserve" a job.
My favorite part of this article is the name it's submitted under (for the humerous aspect of it).
What people thought was dumb, was a real valid idea and not some foolish idea ranted on by "crazies" about buried treasure, that of which was found by "children" none the less.
Even if it was unintentional, which I believe it was, that's a great coincidence and parallel to this article. I hope others have noticed this as well.
Your post didn't imply anything about the comparisons of Tibet. At least it didn't to me. If that's the case and I made a mistake, my apologies. But from what the grandparent said it was merely an example, one I believe you took out of context and possibly misapplied your arguement.
In either case, it was his way of showing the differences within smart people but having quite the diverse cultural and educationally influencial background.
Sorry to get on your case, but those kind of posts about Native Americans get on my case, when they're serious about it that is. So it's a bit of a sore spot for me when people actually believe this, at least when you come from my perspective. I have a significant portion of Native American ethnic background, beliefs (an honest comparison of such) and respect for that part of my culture and I don't believe that the land the USA resides on belongs to us, or any land for that matter. The US of A can reside anywhere on this planet regardless of physical location. It's an ideal and one that's worked for us for quite some time. "Owning" property or land is a matter of occupancy and who deserves it at any given time period. That is what I believe to know to be the truth. Foolish idea? Who of our fellow man is to determine that?
Yeah. That was my version of a knee jerk reaction to your post. It's a good thing I don't get offended easily.
This is one of the most insightful comments I've seen within this discussion and I've read it top to bottom a couple times as the comments pour in.
Offtopic: You've been added to my friends list for just such a comment and I'll be watching your comments from now on. Don't worry. I believe I can tell humor, knee-jerk and personal opinions apart from actual logical discussion. At least... I think I can:D
That theory is based on what you would consider a respectable intelligence.
Who's to say you are intelligent simply because you are of the average intelligence? It could be that only those on the ends of the spectrum are worthy of notation and you along with the billions of others that are within the range of "normal" get ignored and thus you feel you have to make others, most easily those of lesser intelligence, appear publicly, you yourself playing 'captian obvious', foolish.
While most people will look at where you point and say, wow that was dumb or he/she is dumber than we are. Those with a higher realization of worth of our fellow man will look at you, the person pointing, and ask ourselves what happened or didn't happen in your life to make you feel insecure, of not much worth, or simply that you must point out others who aren't smart?
Are you compensating for something or merely playing devils advocate?
I would argue that society in general, specific examples aside, do realize the worth of our fellow man and have compassion and respect for their lives with an attempt to do the right things for them. Weather "smarter" or "dumber" than the average, we generally have compassion for people.
But I would base my conclusions on what I would consider educated and the intuitive nature to think and not just a "drone" of society memorizing materials for tests and spewing out information in an attempt to make ourselves appear smart or intelligent.
You're trolling, but I'll bite. Countries are taken over all the time, their ownership changes hands and has changed hands quite often over the past few thousand years.
This also happened with the natives of North and South America. What happened that you seem enraged about, is the fact that Christopher Columbus and many others "discovered" a new land in the eyes of Europe and other lands and began to populate it / make it their own and remove it's inhabitants.
This has been happening all over the world. However, it is the most recent example on such a large scale AND you fail to realize other cultures in Europe and Asia have had this done for centuries. What have you to say about them? Break the Chineese "Republic" up and back into is multiple warring countries? Give Poland back to the old Germanic tribes from how many hundreds of years ago? Give one tribal land back to the "old tribe" somewhere in africa?
What happened even exzisted among the Native Americans. They had wars. They had conflicts. They had many things that we also don't know about because their written history was almost zero.
You and the rest of the "... give the USA back to the native Americans or go home and shut the fuck up. people need to take your own advice and Shut the FUCK up. The United States of America were what our founding fathers created out of such conquored lands and hence never belonged to the native americans. It then and now belongs to us.
So get a grip on reality, take some fucking history lessons AND a healthy dose of STFU. Now let's get back to the discussion at hand.
Slashdot Mirror
...and no actual sudstance.
I'm sure you means substance, but I digress.
I must not be getting your point. True, many people don't care what is by default installed on their systems and will happily be using those programs. Most often, when I offer people choices and show them the differences, without a slant, and give them the opportunity (KEY WORD THERE), more often or not, they will go with something that is not made by microsoft - with the exception of the operating system.
Yes.. even if it's' free and included. However some still choose to keep the MS defaults because of either the UI is what they're used to, or simply don't want to relearn something else... even if it is better in their own opinion.
I don't mind MS products to be honest with you. I prefer to use MS Office 2003 supplied by my company than OpenOffice.org. It is faster, and I have plenty of hard drive space (300+gig) to play with. I can't stand the media player or messenger for two reasons:
1) I prefer Winamp over almost anything based on a decision made years ago. It is just something I like MORE than the others in comparison.
2) Gaim will allow me to be signed on to AIM, ICQ, MSN in a single window and allow me to have tabbed conversations. Even allow me to log onto multiple accounts of the same protocol where as you would have to use a third party hack to do that with the default clients. (I like to keep family, work, gaming buddies separated and do so with a reason).
YMMV
Thanks for the direct link. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that the installation includes the "optional" Google Toolbar. It seems this optional component is mandatory.
Granted, worse things could be installed, but not everyone may want this. Somewhat hidden the installation of Googole Toolbar is.
I'm not sure what you're talking to, the file that I downloaded (MD5 = 1b3f17303ac11baad535e304c5ec758a *DivXPlay.exe) doesn't have the google toolbar as an optional componnent. It's not even listed there.
[... hold on
I just checked and the md5's are the same, and there's no google toolbar option. Try downloading the program again. I'm not sure where you downloaded it from exactly. Try the direct link I supplied.
I like this quote myself...
Microsoft said it bears no responsibility for making PC manufacturers use Windows XP N. "Microsoft has made these products available through its standard distribution channels," a company representative said. "Whether or not customers or distributors offer this product in Europe is a decision for individual computer manufacturers, enterprise customers and retailers."
Microsoft has been known to strongarm companies to carry a certian version of their Windows Operating Systems, with pricing or threats of removing licences so the statement of "...is a decision for individual computer manufacturers...", is in my opinion, a lie.
Since when has MS taken a lax approach to what version of Windows OS retailers and OEM's install on their systems?
I don't see a problem with Microsoft bundling any software of their own with Microsoft Windows XP such as Windows Messenger, Windows Media Player, MS Internet Explorer and others. What I have a problem with is the inability to uninstall said media player and other programs without severely hindering the operating system to the point of crashing or worse, incompatibility with programs that don't themselves correctly interface to the default browser, IM client and media player.
That is the real problem I see. Not the exclusion or inclusion of programs or their efforts to play favorites (come on... within reason!) with their own software. Hell, I'd do the same thing. But making it so you can not remove a software program by choice without resorting to some advanced (for the home user) hacking or third party (possibly buggy, problematic or worse - trojaned) program or scripts to do it for you.
What we really need is Microsoft to allow removal of any and all programs that are not basic for an operating system. Yes, even Internet Explorer. By itself, if it weren't tied into the OS itself and able to be run in locked memory away from other programs (to eliminate potential points of attack) it's fine. Older versions weren't so bad because they were just that... stand alone.
I'm not even a fan of the KDE Konqueror(SP?) browser being integrated. While it's great to have a browser by default, the potential problems that can happen (taking out your shell, yes it's happened, AND your X DE) are too great for my taste. The internet hasn't been safe for a LONG time. Even the bandaid of an included firewall with SP2 won't solve much in the long run.
Correct engineering of software programs and their development, it seems, are almost lost. Where are the programming and engineering teams with good ideas with the skill and desire to pull it off?
Anytime. I appreciate comments such as yours. I don't know everything and I ususally need more info than shown in the article.
Thank you.
You're welcome. Yours was great too and I can't find info quite so easily myself. Website designers need to really keep things simple for the general (as in non specified engineers/non nerds of a specific type of technology) people.
I realise this may be 'dumbing it down' and somewhat insulting, but how hard is a simple [Home] [Products & Services] [Downloads] [FAQ] [Forums] and [Contact] do to?
So what if some of them overlap into each others category! Not everything needs it's own place with confusing titles where one could mean the other but it doesn't only in this instance. Right?
Maybe the simplest answer isn't the most correct of all and I could be mistaken. A simple download.php with a list of links for each type of install and an optional registration form at the top would suffice. Wouldn't hurt would it?
just my 2cents worth
I didn't realize people modded this kind of useful information down simply because their perceptions of karma whoring are slightly off. I've hit a karma cap and really never have cared for it in the first place.
/. community is usually against.
Slashdot is the only forum where your unpopular and unfairly modded comments result in censorship, something the
*sigh*
http://download.divx.com/divx/DivXPlay.exe
ANyways, this has been out for not too long and it really is a great new release unlike many past versions.
good troll
If you remember from your history class, Pearl Harbor was in direct responce to the United States economic and political pressures, which were at the time, quite a misperception.
t er/back/journals/2000/Vol26_1/5.htm and search on google for more information. Don't mistakenly call 9/11/01 anything similar to Pearl Harbor. We didn't sanction the terrorists or put any political pressure on them, but the we did to the Japanese. The terrorists or muslim extremists, or whatever you want to call them, were NOT provoked. They simply call us heathans, infidels and say we've been interfering for generations.
The increasing diplomatic confrontations and economic sanctions against Japan by the United States and others, compounded by Japan's undeclared war in China and the weakening of European control in Asian colonies, precipitated the war in the Pacific.
You can find this information here: http://www.mindef.gov.sg.nyud.net:8090/safti/poin
We have, like other countries. But you don't see those places being attacked with their own airplanes now do you?
and you're the only other person I've seen, who knows what that word means.
:D
offtopic: I put my friends in my cellphone not by name, but by zip+4 code. It wasn't hard to memorize
or how about including numbers with that? :D wow, this is really a good idea!
Take care!
could you paste the lines of perl here or provide a website?
you must be kidding? you actually believe that stuff?
I worked at a company once that refused to get a "cube farm". They had a giant open room with large windows on two sides of the office and multiple desks without any partitions. People were placed together based on job/team/area within that particular office. White noise emitters were used, but not in abundance to drive you crazy but used only when noise was really "busy".
Cube farms are productivity and soul killers. The only way is with an "open" office without huge CRT's but flatscreens and hidden computer towers.
You missed the sarcasm thread. It was a few days ago.
Believe it or not, a LOT of schools do just this under the guise of actually producing employable people with ideas, intelligence (as opposed to memorized facts and assorted bs that means jack shit in the real world) and fluff.
:P
Most of the good schools that teach you skills, coming all from my limited scope and experience visiting many campuses across the US of A over the past 10 years and reading the curriculum are in fact, a hard search to boot. The old days of a name from an ivy league college are at an end and have been for some time. It's all staked on an old and currently undeserved reputation.
Cornell is great and NYU too, from my personal experience. But the quality of individuals being pumped out of universities over the past 5 years is absolutely atrocious. You can teach anyone data, processes and supply chain it seems when it comes to business.
How about ethics? The ability to think FAR outside the box in truly innovative and creative ways? Do I expect too much of my coworkers to actually work and be efficient / cohesive in a business environment? What does it take to get employees like that? I'm not talking the difference between a degree vs. no degree b/c I would almost always choose a degree over someone without one for a whole array of reasons.
But choosing someone with actual ethics and proven ability to work and do what their told without the deep need to rebel against "the man" or some fictional agenda people seem to have, where conforming is seen as the worst thing since fire and brimstone in hell - THAT is definitely someone I would hire. And not a drone. Drones can be replaced by machines and fab plants that don't require unions and intensive cash drainage annually... or when the employee wants to sue because they think they "deserve" a job.
Damn what a rant, sorry
My favorite part of this article is the name it's submitted under (for the humerous aspect of it).
What people thought was dumb, was a real valid idea and not some foolish idea ranted on by "crazies" about buried treasure, that of which was found by "children" none the less.
Even if it was unintentional, which I believe it was, that's a great coincidence and parallel to this article. I hope others have noticed this as well.
Your post didn't imply anything about the comparisons of Tibet. At least it didn't to me. If that's the case and I made a mistake, my apologies. But from what the grandparent said it was merely an example, one I believe you took out of context and possibly misapplied your arguement.
In either case, it was his way of showing the differences within smart people but having quite the diverse cultural and educationally influencial background.
Sorry to get on your case, but those kind of posts about Native Americans get on my case, when they're serious about it that is. So it's a bit of a sore spot for me when people actually believe this, at least when you come from my perspective. I have a significant portion of Native American ethnic background, beliefs (an honest comparison of such) and respect for that part of my culture and I don't believe that the land the USA resides on belongs to us, or any land for that matter. The US of A can reside anywhere on this planet regardless of physical location. It's an ideal and one that's worked for us for quite some time. "Owning" property or land is a matter of occupancy and who deserves it at any given time period. That is what I believe to know to be the truth. Foolish idea? Who of our fellow man is to determine that?
Yeah. That was my version of a knee jerk reaction to your post. It's a good thing I don't get offended easily.
Have a great day!
Two Diet-Cokes with lime in a can. Family fridge pack. I'm on my 5th tonight.
/fight club :P
Do not FUCK with us
This is one of the most insightful comments I've seen within this discussion and I've read it top to bottom a couple times as the comments pour in.
:D
Offtopic: You've been added to my friends list for just such a comment and I'll be watching your comments from now on. Don't worry. I believe I can tell humor, knee-jerk and personal opinions apart from actual logical discussion. At least... I think I can
That theory is based on what you would consider a respectable intelligence.
Who's to say you are intelligent simply because you are of the average intelligence? It could be that only those on the ends of the spectrum are worthy of notation and you along with the billions of others that are within the range of "normal" get ignored and thus you feel you have to make others, most easily those of lesser intelligence, appear publicly, you yourself playing 'captian obvious', foolish.
While most people will look at where you point and say, wow that was dumb or he/she is dumber than we are. Those with a higher realization of worth of our fellow man will look at you, the person pointing, and ask ourselves what happened or didn't happen in your life to make you feel insecure, of not much worth, or simply that you must point out others who aren't smart?
Are you compensating for something or merely playing devils advocate?
I would argue that society in general, specific examples aside, do realize the worth of our fellow man and have compassion and respect for their lives with an attempt to do the right things for them. Weather "smarter" or "dumber" than the average, we generally have compassion for people.
But I would base my conclusions on what I would consider educated and the intuitive nature to think and not just a "drone" of society memorizing materials for tests and spewing out information in an attempt to make ourselves appear smart or intelligent.
To each his own.
You're trolling, but I'll bite.
Countries are taken over all the time, their ownership changes hands and has changed hands quite often over the past few thousand years.
This also happened with the natives of North and South America. What happened that you seem enraged about, is the fact that Christopher Columbus and many others "discovered" a new land in the eyes of Europe and other lands and began to populate it / make it their own and remove it's inhabitants.
This has been happening all over the world. However, it is the most recent example on such a large scale AND you fail to realize other cultures in Europe and Asia have had this done for centuries. What have you to say about them? Break the Chineese "Republic" up and back into is multiple warring countries? Give Poland back to the old Germanic tribes from how many hundreds of years ago? Give one tribal land back to the "old tribe" somewhere in africa?
What happened even exzisted among the Native Americans. They had wars. They had conflicts. They had many things that we also don't know about because their written history was almost zero.
You and the rest of the "... give the USA back to the native Americans or go home and shut the fuck up. people need to take your own advice and Shut the FUCK up. The United States of America were what our founding fathers created out of such conquored lands and hence never belonged to the native americans. It then and now belongs to us.
So get a grip on reality, take some fucking history lessons AND a healthy dose of STFU. Now let's get back to the discussion at hand.
Ignorant fools.
you read the article... /Quit
you must be new here.
maybe i'll post something.
:D
most of what i'd have to say is in the forms of guidelines and won't be a "who hired me where" type of a thing.
for the moment all I can say is really find out what you can and can't do. not in, what you won't do etc. and look for jobs that way.
you have to be a hard worker with a good strong wide background in doing "work". take that as you will but for the moment it's all I can offer.
email me, use encryption (http://slashdot.org/~zoloto/pubkey) and we'll talk if you need any specific needs.