We all know that Micros~1 will take XML and 'enhance' it to the point of no return. W3C or no, you think Microsoft really gives a shit about them, or GNU (GPL), or OSS in general for that matter?? M$ takes existing standards, fucks them all up, and all that happens is we get screwed in the end, and they (Gates) get richer. I have heard it said that MS isn't the problem, just the symptom, but if they are the fever in our closed source cold, hey a fever can kill you too, if it gets high (powerful) enough. The only way to recover is to remove the symptom, or lessen it to a manageable level, then deal with the underlying problem.
What's with all the AC's and XML? Are they Micros~1 lurkers or what??
"once MS starts creating well-formed XML from MS Word, i'll be happy. XML is the standard."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'ML' in 'XML' stand for markup language? So what's so special about it? HTML can put out some very nicely 'formatted' docs. Who needs M$?
I had (HAD) wanted one of these things.. but on seeing that they are going to make MP3's not MP3's anymore (the only way they can anti-piraticize) I have done a 180. Now I believe they can eat it, to put it mildly. Future of portable music, soon M$ will buy them (if they didn't already) and make it a Windows CE based thing.. future my ass. Back to 198x for us folks.
Well, that would work, but AOHell and M$ would still use the names.. you'd just be screwing yourself out of it in reality. If however you could zap all the DNS computers out there they would have no choice.. but that invites M$ to make a proprietary version, so that's out too.:(
Just watch for "People's Republic of America Online - NSI Division".. apparently the idea of democracy only applies to the ones in charge.
I'd like to see an organized effort on the part of those who know WTF they are doing on the net to take control, forceably if need be, of the 'net. Give control to FSF or something, but under the express knowledge that if they fuck it up we'll take it back again. The net was NEVER intended for computer-know-nots (of the kind who don't bother to find out jack shit about this Internet thing they bought witht heir Gateway PC). It was intended for people with at least minimal intelligence, enough to learn how it works in general terms if nothing else. "The meek shall inherit the earth" comes to mind, but not physically meek (I aint no studly perfection of manhood;) but the mentally meek in this case. AOL and their cronies included. M$ as well, but to a lesser extent *duck* than others.. I could go on about this for an hour.. in fact I think I might. But don't worry.. not here. If I get motivated I'll make a simple series of pages of all my ideas on this.. mebbe even a simple public feedback forum, emphasis on simple. I aint no/. afterall..;)
Having that post moderated down is hardly the mindset desireable for OSS advocates, I agree. But don't you think your post would carry just a *little* more weight were it not posted AC?
I also noticed that he seemed a tad full of himself, but the way I see it (from reading up on all of this) it's well deserved. If he were more blatant about it, or threw it in your face like "Ha ha asshole" then I'd have to write him off as some guy with too much ego, but the general feel of his writing wasn't like a brag. It evoked a bit of a feeling of awe for me actually, of the type "I wish I could do that so easily".:)
This is what I refer to as 'that guy who brings us down'. You get them everywhere, best thing to di is 1) ignore the prick, 2) assure he cannot reproduce if possible, and 3) get him kicked off the net, so he bothers people who aren't trying to do something important.
As for the response "appreciate life and love and happiness and live in harmony together..." If we do that, that means we can't do any micros~1 bashing anymore..:(
Is this guy's IP on record somewhere? Something on the level of this meathead's post, taking down his whole ISP would be considered classy by comparison. And besides that it would be fun.;)
To the AC who wrote that: Post another confirming what you said, and I'll tell you how to get to my town. We'll see if you have the brass balls to say that to my face instead of hiding in your dark room in front of your gateway celeron playing with your Win95 key and yourself at the same time. Jackass.
"Result: geek-friendly recruitment agencies run by geeks."
One word: YES
If this takes off, even just to the point of a mailing list, I'd like to see it as something featured on/. as well.:)
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I get that once in awhile on my new PC, and quite a bit more often on the ol' 486. Both using MS windows, I been to lazy to touch Linux since I installed it *curse winmodem*. My sound card is a fairly good one too.:(
"That's fuckin' scary! I say execute the bastards! Get them out of the gene pool!"
*CHEER* *CHEER*
I agree completely! When I first started (circa 286s, we live in a backwards shit-town.. *sigh*) I at least had the base intelligence to know that if my modem had a 9-pin connector, that it must connect to one of the 9-pins in the back of the pretty box.;)
I also started running a BBS with no knowledge of what to do, or how. But guess what.. it became pretty popular. I have since lost my records of user feedback, but from a 486/50 with a single 2400 modem as dialin I think that's good.
The way I see it if people can't use their heads for anything other than keeping rain off their necks, they have *NO* business owning a computer at all. Using one, fine. As long as someone with half a brain takes care of the thing.
hehe oops.. I had meant to include that I did vote for Ventura (now you know where I live;).
He may be a redneck ex-wrestler, and have some really F-ed up ideas, but I do like him better than any of the others (that includes US gov, not just state).
"What makes you loosers think you deserve to go into a library to get your dose of porn? What's to stop you from getting your OWN PC and ISP? Can afford it? Well then, get a JOB!! Maybe then you can enter the real world and not have so much time to complain about my taxes not paying for your habits."
It blocks too much info. They had one of those bastard pieces of software hooked up at my old HS. Guess what? Old info about those boxes (which no longer work) that you could use to cheat telco got blocked. *OLD* info, ie USELESS in practice info.
"I get sick of hearing all these ingrates whining whenever our leaders decide to restrict handouts. Here's a clue or two. Cruising the web for free in a public or school library is NOT guaranteed by the Constitution. It is very unlikely that the valuable data that would be restricted by filtering software isn't available in other places! It is possible, even easy, to get what would be restricted in other places. And finally, it is not your RIGHT to have me and other American taxpayers pay for your entertainment (apologies to all my international aquaintances 8*). "
What, you think that all the posters here who are voicing their dissatisfaction with the bubbleheaded 'laws' are bums off the street? None of us have ver payed taxes eh? Fuckhead.
"It is your right to speak. It is not your right to have your speech dissiminated by either me or the government. Limiting what can be viewed with government funded facilities doesn't limit anyones ability to speak out. Does this mean that duly appointed government leaders and officials get to decide what is proper to be destributed on government funded networks? Yeah, so what? He who pays the piper gets to call the tune. "
Hell if it doesn't limit. Can you post to a newsgroup on 'recovering from sexual abuses' with one of those controlfreak progs on? I doubt it. And as for 'government funded' our gov. has their hands in too many pockets already. Someone needs to whack it with a ruler and say 'No! Bad fuckheads!':P
"So cut the bitching and whining and go hire your own piper!!"
Ok. Crackhead. Get a clue and think next time before saying something stupid like that ok?
"Society ultimately does the most harm to itself by intentionally becoming ignorant to it's surroundings. Some of the current problems today are a direct result things like voter apathy. People don't even give enough of a damn to vote, let alone force elected officials to keep their promises. A result of the self-induced ignorance is the success rate of mass propaganda campaigns. Most people (in America) are convinced that there are only two worthy political parties. Any third party is just a bunch of hippie freaks or skinheads. What they refuse to see is how both the Democratic and Republican parties have completely raped the country."
A couple of points here, and I might slip into a bit of a rant. Bear with it.:P First off, I am a registered voter. But more often than not I do *not* vote because even if I do, I'm just casting a ballot for some prick I've never met, and am not likely to either. And aside from that, (s)he's gonna change viewpoints immediately after the election bullshit is over anyway. So from my standpoint, what's the fucking point of it? Nothing changes! We (the "average" citizen) always end up getting fucked over one way or another.
Secondly, if you are so ignorant and introverted (not you the writer I'm replying to) as to not see through the propaganda and haven't got brains enough to follow up on an interesting story with other publications of it (read the onion or utne reader for instance) than you deserve exactly what you get: Controlled.
Thirdly, in my opinion all the 'parties' *cough* string themselves up in front of us with clever lies intended to make us think they are our best friends. This is bullshit as you well know. And as anyone with a moderately intillectual mind, and any inclination to actually venture outside (sorry) knows too.
So hack the little shit's site. Make the page say something amusing. Prefferably something insulting to him and/or his mother.;) Better yet, if you can find an email somewhere to the likely culprit while in the process of hacking, throw in a JS that sends an anon email from the page to it every time it's hit. Then spam the living hell out of the page. And make the page RO so it takes that much longer for this genius to figure out 'Well why cant I delete this thing?' Any other additions to this returnspam idea would be more than welcome.. by me anyway.:)
Somehow I doubt this was honestly from slashdot.. It is rather easy to dupe your (general term, not you personally) email.. I checked the url, all it was was porn links. *yawn* Who really gives a crap about that anyway? It's there for amusement once in awhile, but again I seriously doubt slashdot sent it to you.
If however I see a porn ad on the top of my/. pages anytime soon I shall stand corrected. Watch me hold my breath on that one too.;)
I'd rather like a (brief yet descriptive) explanation of exactly what OSI stands for (no not the letters) and how this differs from the 'open source community' view.
What I did see of their site (generally speaking) seemed a bit like propaganda to me..
ATM I know a total of jack about programming, and thanks to my cursed Winmodem I have to use Win on both my machines (the other is a 486, no room for Linux).. but I still on occasion toss up ROM 2.4, Apache, an FTP server, and a couple others. It doesn't take much in the way of brains to run a server. (no comments please:P ) Even my mother, who is afraid of her PC, can and has done it.
In short, anyone can run a server of some sort for whatever reason, you cannot just assume that the average 'user' won't/can't know how and hasn't the desire to ITFP.
If you don't like the way X works, rewrite it.. It would be very useful to have an integrated (but most definitely not SOLE) interface graphical for 'desktop users'. I think if it were possible to combine Linux's power in networking and speed with BEOS' power in graphics and speed. They would have to be seperate, run like 95's "MS-DOS Only" and "Normal" selections, but through lilo. Both would have Linux in them. Both would have Be in them. But to a limited extent for the "command line only" in the Be integration (who knows, they might have a better way of doing something?). The graphical 'Be-nix' would have most (ideally all) of the networking power and base speed of the average linux box, but graphically.
Hmm.. maybe I'm the strange one, but spelling/grammar errors or not, I uderstood the whole thing, first read. I also got one hell of a laugh out of how easily that "journalist" was tore up.
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We all know that Micros~1 will take XML and 'enhance' it to the point of no return. W3C or no, you think Microsoft really gives a shit about them, or GNU (GPL), or OSS in general for that matter??
M$ takes existing standards, fucks them all up, and all that happens is we get screwed in the end, and they (Gates) get richer.
I have heard it said that MS isn't the problem, just the symptom, but if they are the fever in our closed source cold, hey a fever can kill you too, if it gets high (powerful) enough. The only way to recover is to remove the symptom, or lessen it to a manageable level, then deal with the underlying problem.
What's with all the AC's and XML?
Are they Micros~1 lurkers or what??
"once MS starts creating well-formed XML from MS Word, i'll be happy. XML is the standard."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'ML' in 'XML' stand for markup language?
So what's so special about it? HTML can put out some very nicely 'formatted' docs. Who needs M$?
I *think* the Empeg car player has CD.. if it doesn't it'd be a good simple addition. http://www.empeg.com/home.html
I had (HAD) wanted one of these things.. but on seeing that they are going to make MP3's not MP3's anymore (the only way they can anti-piraticize) I have done a 180. Now I believe they can eat it, to put it mildly.
Future of portable music, soon M$ will buy them (if they didn't already) and make it a Windows CE based thing.. future my ass. Back to 198x for us folks.
Well, that would work, but AOHell and M$ would still use the names.. you'd just be screwing yourself out of it in reality. If however you could zap all the DNS computers out there they would have no choice.. but that invites M$ to make a proprietary version, so that's out too. :(
Just watch for "People's Republic of America Online - NSI Division".. apparently the idea of democracy only applies to the ones in charge.
;) but the mentally meek in this case. AOL and their cronies included. M$ as well, but to a lesser extent *duck* than others.. /. afterall.. ;)
I'd like to see an organized effort on the part of those who know WTF they are doing on the net to take control, forceably if need be, of the 'net. Give control to FSF or something, but under the express knowledge that if they fuck it up we'll take it back again. The net was NEVER intended for computer-know-nots (of the kind who don't bother to find out jack shit about this Internet thing they bought witht heir Gateway PC). It was intended for people with at least minimal intelligence, enough to learn how it works in general terms if nothing else.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" comes to mind, but not physically meek (I aint no studly perfection of manhood
I could go on about this for an hour.. in fact I think I might. But don't worry.. not here. If I get motivated I'll make a simple series of pages of all my ideas on this.. mebbe even a simple public feedback forum, emphasis on simple. I aint no
rofl true.. but as you can see the shit didn't reply.. ;)
Having that post moderated down is hardly the mindset desireable for OSS advocates, I agree. But don't you think your post would carry just a *little* more weight were it not posted AC?
:)
I also noticed that he seemed a tad full of himself, but the way I see it (from reading up on all of this) it's well deserved. If he were more blatant about it, or threw it in your face like "Ha ha asshole" then I'd have to write him off as some guy with too much ego, but the general feel of his writing wasn't like a brag. It evoked a bit of a feeling of awe for me actually, of the type "I wish I could do that so easily".
"Typical bigot Freebsd user response."
..." :(
This is what I refer to as 'that guy who brings us down'. You get them everywhere, best thing to di is 1) ignore the prick, 2) assure he cannot reproduce if possible, and 3) get him kicked off the net, so he bothers people who aren't trying to do something important.
As for the response "appreciate life and love and happiness and live in harmony together
If we do that, that means we can't do any micros~1 bashing anymore..
You should post the schematics for the ][ in a printable (high-res graphic) format for us. :)
"I would think think the goal would be to not see *any* of those lovely (and beloved) blue screens."
They don't see BSODs because M$ changed the color.
Now it's the BRYCFSOD. (Blood-Red-You're-Completely-Fucked Screen Of Death)
:)
Is this guy's IP on record somewhere? ;)
Something on the level of this meathead's post, taking down his whole ISP would be considered classy by comparison.
And besides that it would be fun.
To the AC who wrote that: Post another confirming what you said, and I'll tell you how to get to my town. We'll see if you have the brass balls to say that to my face instead of hiding in your dark room in front of your gateway celeron playing with your Win95 key and yourself at the same time.
Jackass.
"Result: geek-friendly recruitment agencies run by geeks."
/. as well. :)
One word: YES
If this takes off, even just to the point of a mailing list, I'd like to see it as something featured on
I get that once in awhile on my new PC, and quite a bit more often on the ol' 486. Both using MS windows, I been to lazy to touch Linux since I installed it *curse winmodem*. :(
My sound card is a fairly good one too.
"That's fuckin' scary! I say execute the bastards! Get them out of the gene pool!"
;)
*CHEER*
*CHEER*
I agree completely! When I first started (circa 286s, we live in a backwards shit-town.. *sigh*)
I at least had the base intelligence to know that if my modem had a 9-pin connector, that it must connect to one of the 9-pins in the back of the pretty box.
I also started running a BBS with no knowledge of what to do, or how. But guess what.. it became pretty popular. I have since lost my records of user feedback, but from a 486/50 with a single 2400 modem as dialin I think that's good.
The way I see it if people can't use their heads for anything other than keeping rain off their necks, they have *NO* business owning a computer at all. Using one, fine. As long as someone with half a brain takes care of the thing.
hehe oops.. I had meant to include that I did vote for Ventura (now you know where I live ;).
:)
He may be a redneck ex-wrestler, and have some really F-ed up ideas, but I do like him better than any of the others (that includes US gov, not just state).
"What makes you loosers think you deserve to go into a library to get your dose of porn? What's to stop you from getting your OWN PC and ISP? Can afford it? Well then, get a JOB!! Maybe then you can enter the real world and not have so much time to complain about my taxes not paying for your habits."
:P
It blocks too much info. They had one of those bastard pieces of software hooked up at my old HS. Guess what? Old info about those boxes (which no longer work) that you could use to cheat telco got blocked. *OLD* info, ie USELESS in practice info.
"I get sick of hearing all these ingrates whining whenever our leaders decide to restrict handouts. Here's a clue or two. Cruising the web for free in a public or school library is NOT guaranteed by the Constitution. It is very unlikely that the valuable data that would be restricted by filtering software isn't available in other places! It is possible, even easy, to get what would be restricted in other places. And finally, it is not your RIGHT to have me and other American taxpayers pay for your entertainment (apologies to all my international aquaintances 8*). "
What, you think that all the posters here who are voicing their dissatisfaction with the bubbleheaded 'laws' are bums off the street? None of us have ver payed taxes eh? Fuckhead.
"It is your right to speak. It is not your right to have your speech dissiminated by either me or the government. Limiting what can be viewed with government funded facilities doesn't limit anyones ability to speak out. Does this mean that duly appointed government leaders and officials get to decide what is proper to be destributed on government funded networks? Yeah, so what? He who pays the piper gets to call the tune. "
Hell if it doesn't limit. Can you post to a newsgroup on 'recovering from sexual abuses' with one of those controlfreak progs on? I doubt it. And as for 'government funded' our gov. has their hands in too many pockets already. Someone needs to whack it with a ruler and say 'No! Bad fuckheads!'
"So cut the bitching and whining and go hire your own piper!!"
Ok. Crackhead. Get a clue and think next time before saying something stupid like that ok?
"Society ultimately does the most harm to itself by intentionally becoming ignorant to it's surroundings. Some of the current problems today are a direct result things like voter apathy. People don't even give enough of a damn to vote, let alone force elected officials to keep their promises. A result of the self-induced ignorance is the success rate of mass propaganda campaigns. Most people (in America) are convinced that there are only two worthy political parties. Any third party is just a bunch of hippie freaks or skinheads. What they refuse to see is how both the Democratic and Republican parties have completely raped the country."
:P
:p
A couple of points here, and I might slip into a bit of a rant. Bear with it.
First off, I am a registered voter. But more often than not I do *not* vote because even if I do, I'm just casting a ballot for some prick I've never met, and am not likely to either. And aside from that, (s)he's gonna change viewpoints immediately after the election bullshit is over anyway. So from my standpoint, what's the fucking point of it? Nothing changes! We (the "average" citizen) always end up getting fucked over one way or another.
Secondly, if you are so ignorant and introverted (not you the writer I'm replying to) as to not see through the propaganda and haven't got brains enough to follow up on an interesting story with other publications of it (read the onion or utne reader for instance) than you deserve exactly what you get: Controlled.
Thirdly, in my opinion all the 'parties' *cough* string themselves up in front of us with clever lies intended to make us think they are our best friends. This is bullshit as you well know. And as anyone with a moderately intillectual mind, and any inclination to actually venture outside (sorry) knows too.
I think that's enough for now..
So hack the little shit's site. Make the page say something amusing. Prefferably something insulting to him and/or his mother. ;) :)
Better yet, if you can find an email somewhere to the likely culprit while in the process of hacking, throw in a JS that sends an anon email from the page to it every time it's hit. Then spam the living hell out of the page.
And make the page RO so it takes that much longer for this genius to figure out 'Well why cant I delete this thing?'
Any other additions to this returnspam idea would be more than welcome.. by me anyway.
Somehow I doubt this was honestly from slashdot..
/. pages anytime soon I shall stand corrected. Watch me hold my breath on that one too. ;)
It is rather easy to dupe your (general term, not you personally) email..
I checked the url, all it was was porn links. *yawn* Who really gives a crap about that anyway? It's there for amusement once in awhile, but again I seriously doubt slashdot sent it to you.
If however I see a porn ad on the top of my
I'd rather like a (brief yet descriptive) explanation of exactly what OSI stands for (no not the letters) and how this differs from the 'open source community' view.
What I did see of their site (generally speaking) seemed a bit like propaganda to me..
ATM I know a total of jack about programming, and thanks to my cursed Winmodem I have to use Win on both my machines (the other is a 486, no room for Linux).. but I still on occasion toss up ROM 2.4, Apache, an FTP server, and a couple others. It doesn't take much in the way of brains to run a server. (no comments please :P )
Even my mother, who is afraid of her PC, can and has done it.
In short, anyone can run a server of some sort for whatever reason, you cannot just assume that the average 'user' won't/can't know how and hasn't the desire to ITFP.
If you don't like the way X works, rewrite it..
:)
It would be very useful to have an integrated (but most definitely not SOLE) interface graphical for 'desktop users'. I think if it were possible to combine Linux's power in networking and speed with BEOS' power in graphics and speed. They would have to be seperate, run like 95's "MS-DOS Only" and "Normal" selections, but through lilo. Both would have Linux in them. Both would have Be in them. But to a limited extent for the "command line only" in the Be integration (who knows, they might have a better way of doing something?).
The graphical 'Be-nix' would have most (ideally all) of the networking power and base speed of the average linux box, but graphically.
Ok, now I'm rambling..
Later.
Hmm.. maybe I'm the strange one, but spelling/grammar errors or not, I uderstood the whole thing, first read. I also got one hell of a laugh out of how easily that "journalist" was tore up.