That's a common misconception, which is a real indictment of the inadequacy of US history curricula.
Of all the skewed history, political correct history, revisionist history, lies by omission, and downright deception in the public school's US history curricula, it's actually nothing but a minor footnote.
False equivalency. Other than the fact that English and Russian share common language roots, your description of "only a minority of people knew [sic] to read and write" is meaningless without some context for "recently" as well as the particular population you're referring to.
In any case, we're talking about Mayan writing (the only examples the GP brought up). It appears from the studies that even those are likely even less informative from a historical perspective than even the surviving Egyptian hieroglyphs, and look to be concerned primarily with inventories of commodities and slaves, used only by the top-level rulers of the civilization. Far from anything you could gain something like stories or chronicles or anything else that the study of history concerns itself with.
I mentioned archeology vs. history originally, and all you've done is expound on that a little. I guess I could have qualified the phrase you quoted by saying "and a few cryptic scribblings from the larger civilizations", but it's still a huge stretch to call it a "misconception", and even given what was destroyed the North American peoples still had nothing even comparable to the written records that existed in Europe and the Middle East even 1000 years before Columbus, much less in that century.
Short of briefly mentioning Leif Ericsson, yes, they do. That's all they'll learn in school. Confirmed with my 17yo and 14yo within the last few years, 2 different school systems, different states (MD and NJ).
Well that's the difference between history (that is, "Recorded History") and archeology (what we can learn from what ancient dead people left behind because they didn't write anything down).
We have histories wherein we can discuss actual people and what they did, because we know their names, many people wrote about them, etc., etc.
I don't think anyone is trying to hide the historical facts as we know them, or confuse where people came from, but the fact is the Native Americans didn't really maintain much of a historical record, just some folk tales handed down by oral tradition. There was a lot of that kind of story-telling in other cultures, too, but what is typically focused on are the writings of Chaucer and Shakespeare and Sir Robert Bruce Cotton because it's on survivable media.
how do you think the FDA and friends decide which drugs to make legal for over-the-counter sales, which should require a prescription, and which should be outright banned? If you answered "with science" you'd be partially correct!
Very partial. Like, you get 3/10, maybe even less. Just studying the case of the FDA's cooperation with Big Pharma on red yeast rice leaves you with a whole new appreciation about the real purpose of the FDA.
I wasn't aware that I was saying anything to imply that only the elites send their kids to private school, only that none of them have kids in public school.
I find your implication of communism a bit ironic considering that I'll bet you more than anything that it was a business man that made a deal with the school district to get his product sold, and not the school district seeking out a finger printing system to buy. People moan about the "nanny state" when I'm personally more concerned with business men using the state as the consumer and pulling strings to get their products shackled onto the public.
Isn't that a problem with government, though? I mean, businesses don't have coercive authority, only governments do. Blame the corrupt politician or bureaucrat or the system itself for allowing this to happen. It's bad, yes, but I find it hard to blame a business for taking advantage of government corruption when it can create a big market for their products.
Take Virginia. The entire state IT infrastructure was given to Northrop Grumman along with $2 billion to run it. And they have run it into the ground. I used to think that the state government was bad but Northrop Grumman taught me what bloated, inefficient, inept bureaucracy really looks like. Now the contract is bankrupting the state, and agencies have gone back to using pencil and paper because the computer systems are so horrible and expensive.
But - it was entirely Mark Warner's fault, and the administrators he appointed. Provide ANY company a mandated (by law) monopoly over ANY market and it's bound to turn out badly.
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Sounds like the book was developed and organized exactly the way Drupal is!
Huh - I missed all your comments about "he could have surrendered." That's actually wrong. He was already targeted for assassination. Check this out. It could happen to ANY American. There needs to be some principle to protect citizens from government tyranny. Just say "well this agency or that official said he was killing people" really doesn't do it.
That makes him as valid a target as a mobster executing a drive-by-shooting. As valid as a lunatic firing a mexican import ak-47 in a mall.
Even those guys get due process - you can't just send out a swat team with 50-cals and have them shoot up his house - they have to make some effort at an arrest (and hold them pending trial). The only thing we really know about this incident is the guy was running away in his truck and an unmanned drone blow him up from above and behind.
Do you really think it is unacceptable for a police sniper to take out a gun-swinging lunatic in a school ?
You're listing a bunch of false equivalencies here. A proper analogy would be that a gun-swinging lunatic killed some kids at school, and then the mayor said "Yea, we know it was OeLeWaPpErKe that was behind it," and then they sent in the national guard and blew up his house.
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That's a common misconception, which is a real indictment of the inadequacy of US history curricula.
Of all the skewed history, political correct history, revisionist history, lies by omission, and downright deception in the public school's US history curricula, it's actually nothing but a minor footnote.
False equivalency. Other than the fact that English and Russian share common language roots, your description of "only a minority of people knew [sic] to read and write" is meaningless without some context for "recently" as well as the particular population you're referring to.
In any case, we're talking about Mayan writing (the only examples the GP brought up). It appears from the studies that even those are likely even less informative from a historical perspective than even the surviving Egyptian hieroglyphs, and look to be concerned primarily with inventories of commodities and slaves, used only by the top-level rulers of the civilization. Far from anything you could gain something like stories or chronicles or anything else that the study of history concerns itself with.
I mentioned archeology vs. history originally, and all you've done is expound on that a little. I guess I could have qualified the phrase you quoted by saying "and a few cryptic scribblings from the larger civilizations", but it's still a huge stretch to call it a "misconception", and even given what was destroyed the North American peoples still had nothing even comparable to the written records that existed in Europe and the Middle East even 1000 years before Columbus, much less in that century.
Oh, you mean like someone who actually knows what they're talking about instead of making shitty snarky comments? Then yes.
When did calling someone an Academic become an insult? What a fucked up world we live in.
I'm writing my dissertation on snarky commenting, you insensitive clod!
Short of briefly mentioning Leif Ericsson, yes, they do. That's all they'll learn in school. Confirmed with my 17yo and 14yo within the last few years, 2 different school systems, different states (MD and NJ).
Well that's the difference between history (that is, "Recorded History") and archeology (what we can learn from what ancient dead people left behind because they didn't write anything down).
We have histories wherein we can discuss actual people and what they did, because we know their names, many people wrote about them, etc., etc.
I don't think anyone is trying to hide the historical facts as we know them, or confuse where people came from, but the fact is the Native Americans didn't really maintain much of a historical record, just some folk tales handed down by oral tradition. There was a lot of that kind of story-telling in other cultures, too, but what is typically focused on are the writings of Chaucer and Shakespeare and Sir Robert Bruce Cotton because it's on survivable media.
I was sure when I saw the summary that it must be some article from "The Onion" or some similar site.
The "politically correct" thinking on climate change is the denial.
That's patently false. Political correctness is, by definition A form of censorship practiced by faggots and leftist subversive fucks so they don't have to hear any points of view that they don't agree with.. So, obviously, any wing-nut denialist is violating the politically correct code when they express their denialism in public.
Of course, there isn't any science in AGW any more, it's all political. AGW is incontrovertible.
If you think featherbedding is the norm among academic faculty, you don't know enough about academia to have a meaningful opinion on the subject.
Spoken like a true academic.
End nuclear power and the problem stops getting worse.
Depends on the problem you are trying to solve...
how do you think the FDA and friends decide which drugs to make legal for over-the-counter sales, which should require a prescription, and which should be outright banned? If you answered "with science" you'd be partially correct!
Very partial. Like, you get 3/10, maybe even less. Just studying the case of the FDA's cooperation with Big Pharma on red yeast rice leaves you with a whole new appreciation about the real purpose of the FDA.
I wasn't aware that I was saying anything to imply that only the elites send their kids to private school, only that none of them have kids in public school.
Well you're certainly right about the inappropriate use of the "communist" label. It's really more like Mussolini-style fascism.
I find your implication of communism a bit ironic considering that I'll bet you more than anything that it was a business man that made a deal with the school district to get his product sold, and not the school district seeking out a finger printing system to buy. People moan about the "nanny state" when I'm personally more concerned with business men using the state as the consumer and pulling strings to get their products shackled onto the public.
Isn't that a problem with government, though? I mean, businesses don't have coercive authority, only governments do. Blame the corrupt politician or bureaucrat or the system itself for allowing this to happen. It's bad, yes, but I find it hard to blame a business for taking advantage of government corruption when it can create a big market for their products.
Take Virginia. The entire state IT infrastructure was given to Northrop Grumman along with $2 billion to run it. And they have run it into the ground. I used to think that the state government was bad but Northrop Grumman taught me what bloated, inefficient, inept bureaucracy really looks like. Now the contract is bankrupting the state, and agencies have gone back to using pencil and paper because the computer systems are so horrible and expensive.
But - it was entirely Mark Warner's fault, and the administrators he appointed. Provide ANY company a mandated (by law) monopoly over ANY market and it's bound to turn out badly.
Lets just go all out and fuck our society
Better use a condom. Actually, several.
That's because they're used to profs not knowing their names.
More likely because they're used to 12 years of public school teachers.
If we allow this sort of outrageous behavior our kids may have adult figures in their lives that are actually worth looking up to!
I thought you were talking about public school teachers?
This could be an attempt to keep drop-outs from sneaking in to sell various things to their friends.
Then wouldn't the result be that attendance is down, instead of up?
And go where? Eventually this will be mandated at private schools, and not everyone has the resources to home school.
Ya think so? Why?
The elites don't go through the scanners at the airports, either, why do you think they would try to mandate anything for their kids?
The remarkably large number of authors is probably the primary reason for the book's noticeable unevenness, ... in the quality of the writing ... terms should be defined at least once, before encountered ... There are places ... where the descriptions do not match the corresponding screenshots ... and where the lack of [marks] makes it jarring and difficult to understand. There are some inconsistencies in spelling ... even in the same sentence, some inconsistencies in [formatting], some misused phrases, some baffling allusions, curly quotes in the code, a repeated paragraph, an oxymoron ("libertarian communism"), and the obligatory conflation of "depreciated" and "deprecated".
Sounds like the book was developed and organized exactly the way Drupal is!
Sure. Here you go.
"1.21 gigawatts"
Huh - I missed all your comments about "he could have surrendered." That's actually wrong. He was already targeted for assassination. Check this out. It could happen to ANY American. There needs to be some principle to protect citizens from government tyranny. Just say "well this agency or that official said he was killing people" really doesn't do it.
That makes him as valid a target as a mobster executing a drive-by-shooting. As valid as a lunatic firing a mexican import ak-47 in a mall.
Even those guys get due process - you can't just send out a swat team with 50-cals and have them shoot up his house - they have to make some effort at an arrest (and hold them pending trial). The only thing we really know about this incident is the guy was running away in his truck and an unmanned drone blow him up from above and behind.
Do you really think it is unacceptable for a police sniper to take out a gun-swinging lunatic in a school ?
You're listing a bunch of false equivalencies here. A proper analogy would be that a gun-swinging lunatic killed some kids at school, and then the mayor said "Yea, we know it was OeLeWaPpErKe that was behind it," and then they sent in the national guard and blew up his house.
Remember you said that, when some super-secret government agency puts you on a list of "suspected terrorists" and send their drones after you ...
When it comes to US citizens, it is more of a problem, even though the Constitution doesn't differentiate "citizen" and "person".
This IS the precedent for that, as al-Awlaki was a US Citizen.