Here is another response, religion and agriculture date back about 6000 years +/-, but that is a discussion for another class like philosophy. Where did religion come from and why?
--Overall, most species on earth are smaller than their ancestors, except of course humans, who have no real predators and are able to take advantage of a wider range of foods.--
Yeah, and we are evolving fast that direction. So one day, maybe in our lifetime, a specimen might be caught 10' in height and weigh 900lbs. It's amazing what size a corn fed naturally selected human can become. Now, intelligence seems to be selected out during this process because of lack of breeding between smart people.
--Now if (for example) the McDonalds employee failed to properly secure the lid, and it spilled and cause Stella's injuries, then I would agree it was the employees fault. (Not necessarily "McDonalds" fault, unless they failed to properly train the employee.)--
Wrong, no one is going to sue the employee. The owners are responsible to some extent for what their employees do on the clock.
--That was 70 people a year.--
Wrong, the number is irrelevant. Who was most at fault is what matters. Now you can argue the jury made a bad decision. Maybe so. 16% is considered quite a lot of third degree damage. How would a cup of coffee do that unless it was very large and hot and probably more than she could drink. That high of a number in 3rd degree burns does not make sense either
The automobile kills like crazy. So.
--The standard cup was fine--
What exactly is that in ounces, liters, or whatever? As I understand it the cup was also a very large one, and there are other details there that have been discussed here before.
The reason I would like to go someday is to see those nuke test sites. I bet that was cool back in the 50's & 60's getting to see a real live mushroom cloud. I've seen them on Google Earth. Area 51 is not that far away either. I dunno maybe gator wrestling in Florida is better? You just can't find a good vacation spot anymore except home sweet home.
--My friend was the 1/100. He kept it small though and we just ending up getting comped into a couple of shows and buffets since he was bringing a lot of other action to the table.--
Yeah, I think they are famous for feeding you especially if they take your bankroll. They used to be famous for that and maybe letting you sell a spare tire to get enough gas to make it home on.
Yeah, that's what the media did, took out a small snippet and left out the rest of the story.
So the real deal is this is was partly her fault and partly(mostly) McDonald's. After all elderly people are people too and should be accommodated. They chose not to design a different cup, but put up a sign. Either way the lawsuit was probably figured in as a risk worth taking. $2.7 million was a bargain for them if a better cup for elderly people cost them just 0.02 cents to produce.
That's my issue with using only numbers to solve a problem like this.
I suspect it was a cultural difference between Japan and the US that caused this to start with. Maybe what would be considered stalking here flew under the radar over there and would be consider something entirely different?
This has happened before with the multinational corps. That is for sure.
--Please explain how one burn per 24,000,000 cups is 'unreasonable dangerous'.--
I'm not so sure. I used to have the same attitude about it as you did. Using numbers and statistics doesn't really matter with one specific case where the coffee may have been hotter than what is normally served for some reason. I think I would read the case history. It's public record and I'm sure you can look at it, but I think there was more to that particular case than user error.
--I suspect (but do not know) that once we see the actual emails there's no way on earth anyone with an IQ above retarded would believe it was real. Have you ever seen one of these campaigns?--
I've said it before but I will say it again. 50% of the population is below average.
--All it takes is a mere technicality to disqualify the GPL from functioning at all, and the Free Software community is justifiably anxious about that, but the GPL has been successfully upheld in court time and time again, so I wouldn't worry.--
Just as long as Big Blue and some of the others are along for the ride. What if they decide to jump the bus? Of course worring about and not doing something about it will not get it fixed, but like my old man said if it ain't broke...don't fix it.
--I also don't quite understand how they think they can bypass the fact that various countries have various inconsistent and ambiguous definitions of a derived work.--
I think it would be OK in France but not OK in the US, but then again I'm no expert, and the laws constantly change just behind the times. We'll way behind the times in many instances.
You can GPL web code? I thought that was just basically cut and paste from the truly free sites and edit. Now the back end, that's different. I could care less about HTML. If they want to use my stuff most of the time, it will drive more traffic to me, so why would I care unless it was some kind of Flash site or something like that?
Slashdot Mirror
--Verizon is also owned by Vodaphone, which has a much larger international market presence.--
Vodaphone does not control Verizon wireless although they own a substantial stake and have offered to buy it (I wish they would).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless
I think Vodaphone owns a 45% stake and Verizon Communications owns the controlling stake with each saying they want to buy the other out.
It was those damn aliens that did it all going back to the big bang even though you can't hear it.
Here is another response, religion and agriculture date back about 6000 years +/-, but that is a discussion for another class like philosophy. Where did religion come from and why?
--Overall, most species on earth are smaller than their ancestors, except of course humans, who have no real predators and are able to take advantage of a wider range of foods.--
Yeah, and we are evolving fast that direction. So one day, maybe in our lifetime, a specimen might be caught 10' in height and weigh 900lbs. It's amazing what size a corn fed naturally selected human can become. Now, intelligence seems to be selected out during this process because of lack of breeding between smart people.
They may have just fubared their legalese? Here is another curious find.
http://hnn.us/blogs/archives/4/2004/1/
But I have a better link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants
--Now if (for example) the McDonalds employee failed to properly secure the lid, and it spilled and cause Stella's injuries, then I would agree it was the employees fault. (Not necessarily "McDonalds" fault, unless they failed to properly train the employee.)--
Wrong, no one is going to sue the employee. The owners are responsible to some extent for what their employees do on the clock.
--That was 70 people a year.--
Wrong, the number is irrelevant. Who was most at fault is what matters. Now you can argue the jury made a bad decision. Maybe so. 16% is considered quite a lot of third degree damage. How would a cup of coffee do that unless it was very large and hot and probably more than she could drink. That high of a number in 3rd degree burns does not make sense either
The automobile kills like crazy. So.
--The standard cup was fine--
What exactly is that in ounces, liters, or whatever? As I understand it the cup was also a very large one, and there are other details there that have been discussed here before.
--You don't play against the house, you play against other players (so its purely skill vs skill.) --
The size of your bank roll can also be counted with no limit games.
--Of course, the only good long-term strategy for gambling with a casino is to buy shares in the company that owns the casino...--
You mean "the outfit"?
The reason I would like to go someday is to see those nuke test sites. I bet that was cool back in the 50's & 60's getting to see a real live mushroom cloud. I've seen them on Google Earth. Area 51 is not that far away either. I dunno maybe gator wrestling in Florida is better? You just can't find a good vacation spot anymore except home sweet home.
--My friend was the 1/100. He kept it small though and we just ending up getting comped into a couple of shows and buffets since he was bringing a lot of other action to the table.--
Yeah, I think they are famous for feeding you especially if they take your bankroll. They used to be famous for that and maybe letting you sell a spare tire to get enough gas to make it home on.
You left out the rest like 16% 3rd degree burns, but oh well you must be a manager at McDonald's or something?
And if you think 16% is a small number, I suggest you light a match under your finger and see how long you can hold it.
Hey, I spilled coffee like that before and yeah it burned, but not to that level. It would have to be almost boiling to do that.
Burn info here:
http://www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/b/burns3.htm
Yeah, that's what the media did, took out a small snippet and left out the rest of the story.
So the real deal is this is was partly her fault and partly(mostly) McDonald's. After all elderly people are people too and should be accommodated. They chose not to design a different cup, but put up a sign. Either way the lawsuit was probably figured in as a risk worth taking. $2.7 million was a bargain for them if a better cup for elderly people cost them just 0.02 cents to produce.
That's my issue with using only numbers to solve a problem like this.
I suspect it was a cultural difference between Japan and the US that caused this to start with. Maybe what would be considered stalking here flew under the radar over there and would be consider something entirely different?
This has happened before with the multinational corps. That is for sure.
--Please explain how one burn per 24,000,000 cups is 'unreasonable dangerous'.--
I'm not so sure. I used to have the same attitude about it as you did. Using numbers and statistics doesn't really matter with one specific case where the coffee may have been hotter than what is normally served for some reason. I think I would read the case history. It's public record and I'm sure you can look at it, but I think there was more to that particular case than user error.
--I suspect (but do not know) that once we see the actual emails there's no way on earth anyone with an IQ above retarded would believe it was real. Have you ever seen one of these campaigns?--
I've said it before but I will say it again. 50% of the population is below average.
--I for one hope that she wins the whole $10 million. Maybe only that way will dumb-ass marketers start *thinking* about what they do!--
Me too, but I doubt if even that would work :(
Whew....scared me for a minute.
--All it takes is a mere technicality to disqualify the GPL from functioning at all, and the Free Software community is justifiably anxious about that, but the GPL has been successfully upheld in court time and time again, so I wouldn't worry.--
Just as long as Big Blue and some of the others are along for the ride. What if they decide to jump the bus? Of course worring about and not doing something about it will not get it fixed, but like my old man said if it ain't broke...don't fix it.
--I also don't quite understand how they think they can bypass the fact that various countries have various inconsistent and ambiguous definitions of a derived work.--
I think it would be OK in France but not OK in the US, but then again I'm no expert, and the laws constantly change just behind the times. We'll way behind the times in many instances.
--Besides, if you want to see an "extreme" license, read the average commercial EULA sometime--
Microsoft has a sell soul to "Old Scratch" clause in their stuff.
You can GPL web code? I thought that was just basically cut and paste from the truly free sites and edit. Now the back end, that's different. I could care less about HTML. If they want to use my stuff most of the time, it will drive more traffic to me, so why would I care unless it was some kind of Flash site or something like that?
We'll part of it is?
I have a "Heart of Shiva" for sell. I know you want one. Get it before some ancient Indian God wants it back.
Actually I was thinking about Marvin. That was before Radiohead, but your still funny anyhow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Paranoid_Android
He looks like a cell phone.
---I've been an analyst. I've been a consultant. Does anyone realize how little it takes to be either of the two?---
No....
How do I get started? What does it pay? IMO I have an opinion on just about everything. And...I can be an asshole.
Where do I sign up for this gig?
Where do I get me a paranoid android phone?