Err, uh, I don't know squat about KDE's internals, but I know that the win32 APIs(Template Libraries) can both be busted open pretty badly to get System access, and evidently the flaws in them are unfixable without breaking compatability.
So, any app you run on a windows machine could root the box. Shatter attack, yada yada.
However, running KDE under a non-privaledged user, you can't have the box rooted that way.
This of course is in no way what the grandparent was talking about, because he's an idiot.
Here's a better example, and a situation I've been in.
Open source GPLed product. I extend parts of it and tack in some modules. However, by necessity for compatibility purposes(in order to plug in), certain pieces of my modules have to share code with the GPLed product in some way, apart from that the entire codebase is from scratch clean.
I would like to release this code, with one caveat, I don't want people who compete in my line of business from being able to use it, at least without compensation. My concern here isn't really improvements to my code, although they would be welcome, but rather providing functionality to an existing GPLed product that wouldn't otherwise exist.
Now, the screwed point comes in that I now can't release this code. If I release it, I have to GPL my modules and my proprietary extensions(which I can't do), or I lose the right to use the underlying code at all due to breech of the GPL. Hence my only option is to not distribute the code except under some other agreement so that I can retain ownership(and thus control) of it.
Sigh, first of all, I don't see how this is insightful(it's definately inciteful though) except in that it agrees with the damnable party line of SCO bad, IBM good. Fuck Darl McBride, he's uh, doing illegal shit. Yea, and it's illegal cause it pisses me off!
Look people, there's a chance that the GPL will be invalidated. This probably won't be the end of the world, everything will revert to normal copyright, but it would still be extremely annoying. What are we going to license things to? BSD? Then corporations could take our code and not profit off of it! We need our GPL to bring about a whole new software industry. One where it's about service, one where no vendor has a strong incentive to come in and screw with standards to lock people in.
What the fuck are you going to do if SCO wins?
Step back, consider the situation.
Most of you don't have the legal background to really post anything saying who has what leg to stand on(but when has that stopped anyone). And yes, that includes your open source heroes. All of the stuff they write, etc. etc. It doesn't amount to shit but someone's opinion. And that opinion counts for about as much as my opinion on lunar colonization.
So, the question you should be asking is, worst case scenario, what happens? Then, what do you do about it?
Umm, no DirectX was not the first. I'm pretty sure it was SGI's OpenGL, but it may have been WinG or WinToon instead. (It's been a while)
DirectX!? If you want it to only work on windows, then yea, go for it. Otherwise use OpenGL.
Sound is a little trickier, but DirectSound isn't exactly all that and a bag of biscuits. Doesn't Creative Labs pretty much dominate the SoundCard industry?
Reversion? No, we already see diverging codepaths, for instance D3 has different codepaths depending upon the card. Only way to tweak the most performance out of hardware.
Because OSS is freely available to everyone and any development work paid for by government is freely available to the citizenry. Software isn't like a Car, or a physical asset.
Ideally, Government would use only BSD liscensed stuff, but this is a step in the right direction IMO.
Umm, not too long ago, most server systems ran a UNIX flavor. Migrating from an NT-based OS to a UNIX-like or a UNIX flavor wouldn't cost much in that arena. Plus you can get people with 30+ years of experience in UNIX systems... something MS can't compete with.
Most of your older support staff should be damned familiar with the systems and pick up something like Solaris, AIX, or Linux pretty damn quickly. Now, this doesn't factor in the.com era MCSEs and IT people your company probably hired when it made the migration in the first place, but don't automatically assume it's more expensive for your support people to develop solutions for UNIX-flavor/like A versus New MS OS B. I'd imagine they'd be about the same in man-hours.
Prior Investment: you're absolutely correct here, except for the fact that MS produces notoriously buggy software that it EOLs after a few years. So a few years down the line and you have a security problem that will never be fixed, you're forced to upgrade, incurring all sorts of new costs in developing new procedures/etc. You also have Office interoperability, which breaks with each new version. Other vendors don't do this, IBM for example.
So, the basic question is, over how long do you want to calculate the TCO? In the short term, MS probably costs a lot less, in the long term, I would wager quite a bit that it costs one hell of a lot, as I can't assume they'll change their stripes.
Monopoly: n 1: (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a monopoly you can ask any price you like"
Nice try though. A real monopoly can charge whatever the hell they like and your only choice is simply not to use it. I don't think a lot of companies are going to stop using Computers.
Hah, I knew someone would correct me on that the second I hit submit.
I do like games, but that's fading, everything seems like a rehash of something else with nothing new really added, well to me anyway. No real innovation, everything seems to want to be "cool." There have been a few games out in recent memory I found fun, but those were mostly console.
Deus Ex was fun to me, MP wasn't. I'm not quite sure why. Maybe it was the noir genre, or the fact that I'd played Deus Ex first and the entire "The Matrix is cool" vibe had faded into repetive oblivion by the time I ever picked up MP.
Games of this genre may have, IMO, hit the same place as shooters have. Fun for the new player, and fun for the enthuisiast[sic] but some of us are just plain sick of em because there hasn't been much evolution in the genre.
You a game programmer? I doubt it. I'm not either, and I've stayed the hell away from graphics work, but I somehow doubt you have the slightest clue wtf you're talking about.
It doesn't work yet you mean. If there's enough interest in it, it will be run under Linux. Not like it's that big of a freakin deal to dual-boot or anything. You want to apply market pressure, don't buy any windows games, period. Don't emulate Windows, don't run Windows apps. You're going to have to give up a lot of very good, mature software. I don't buy computer games anymore personally, but I may make a notable exception for the new Sam and Max.
Now that you've stopped buying windows games you now need to get at least a quarter of Windows gamers to do the same. Games will then be made for Linux(ignore the fact for the moment that I, and I assume others, like Linux because it's almost a purely workhorse OS.)
Wintendo? That's a new one. I thought most of the hardcore microsoft fanboys/girls owned X-Boxen.
Yes, come develop games for Linux, but they must be free or else our hippy community won't buy them! Free games pay the bills alright(ignoring the resume add and reputation increase inherant in completing a decent game)./. catering to the Windows crowd? That's almost laughable.
Eh, my attitude towards Max Paine can best be described as tepid. I'm sick to death of the whole FPS genre. Wow, a story, but how is it on the repeat single-player? How many times have you gone through and beat it. Is it the type of game you bust out once or twice a year just to go back through?
And multi-player, well multi-player has not changed much in years. Except for improved graphics and stylistically, the gameplay has been pretty static(Although vehicles have gotten better).
Movies: Look at Who Framed Roger Rabbit, it still looks amazing. Most Disney stuff doesn't look too dated either.
Games: Apart from some granularity, Sam and Max, Full Throttle, the Dig and the like still look good. Not SOTA, but good. A modern 2D cartoon format game will, IMO stand the test of time graphics-wise. 3D and rendered games, well, they get dated looking after a year or two. Now, cell-shaded games done well (Like Viewtiful Joe or Windwalker) will also stand the test of time and not degrade in quality as quickly. I'm wondering how they'll top the graphics in Viewtiful Joe personally (And I hope they don't make it multi-platform and make them worse! The gamecube is the best at that style)
Play FFX then go play FFVII. FFVII looks like shite in comparison.
Dragon's Lair still looks good, the animation style dates it, and I f*cking hate that game, but it still looks almost as modern as the day it was released.
Oh well, so long as they don't bring back those filmed games(ack they looked/look awful), I'll be happy.
In conclusion, Cartoony graphics have more staying power.
And one of the main reasons has nothing to do with features, stability, security or anything like that.
I'm just an OCD computer control freak. I like knowing EVERYTHING that's on my computer, where it is, nice, neat organized. If I don't have complete control over my desktop and applications, I'm not happy. I hate bloat, so if i don't use something I'd like to completely remove it, no registry keys, nothing remaining, at all.
Integrate browser into OS. Continue working on OS, ignore browser.
Would work fine if the browser wasn't a point of failure for the OS. How do they expect to secure the entire package when pieces of it are so full of holes?
Just an honest question.
MS needs to either secure IE, or remove it from their core OS installation (make it an addon) if they're really serious about security IMO.
That's a commercially available bike, not custom, not limited run, not luxury expensive. They could make them faster but they don't, too many newbies buying them and killing themselves. Buy $177K of custom motorcycle and see how fast you can go. George should be able to go into that more.
Mine didn't, but they still have kids in the house. When I told them they would probably be sued if they didn't spend every moment watching my little bro on the computer and making sure he didn't download. A dateline episode really drove it home for them. Now they care, and they are pissed.
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It's fixed, clear your cache. I presume you mean the smileys?
Existance of them is the biggest reason I can think of not to run sendmail?
Err, uh, I don't know squat about KDE's internals, but I know that the win32 APIs(Template Libraries) can both be busted open pretty badly to get System access, and evidently the flaws in them are unfixable without breaking compatability.
So, any app you run on a windows machine could root the box. Shatter attack, yada yada.
However, running KDE under a non-privaledged user, you can't have the box rooted that way.
This of course is in no way what the grandparent was talking about, because he's an idiot.
Here's a better example, and a situation I've been in.
Open source GPLed product. I extend parts of it and tack in some modules. However, by necessity for compatibility purposes(in order to plug in), certain pieces of my modules have to share code with the GPLed product in some way, apart from that the entire codebase is from scratch clean.
I would like to release this code, with one caveat, I don't want people who compete in my line of business from being able to use it, at least without compensation. My concern here isn't really improvements to my code, although they would be welcome, but rather providing functionality to an existing GPLed product that wouldn't otherwise exist.
Now, the screwed point comes in that I now can't release this code. If I release it, I have to GPL my modules and my proprietary extensions(which I can't do), or I lose the right to use the underlying code at all due to breech of the GPL. Hence my only option is to not distribute the code except under some other agreement so that I can retain ownership(and thus control) of it.
Sigh, first of all, I don't see how this is insightful(it's definately inciteful though) except in that it agrees with the damnable party line of SCO bad, IBM good. Fuck Darl McBride, he's uh, doing illegal shit. Yea, and it's illegal cause it pisses me off!
Look people, there's a chance that the GPL will be invalidated. This probably won't be the end of the world, everything will revert to normal copyright, but it would still be extremely annoying. What are we going to license things to? BSD? Then corporations could take our code and not profit off of it! We need our GPL to bring about a whole new software industry. One where it's about service, one where no vendor has a strong incentive to come in and screw with standards to lock people in.
What the fuck are you going to do if SCO wins?
Step back, consider the situation.
Most of you don't have the legal background to really post anything saying who has what leg to stand on(but when has that stopped anyone). And yes, that includes your open source heroes. All of the stuff they write, etc. etc. It doesn't amount to shit but someone's opinion. And that opinion counts for about as much as my opinion on lunar colonization.
So, the question you should be asking is, worst case scenario, what happens? Then, what do you do about it?
Fuck it, why do I bother?
Umm, no DirectX was not the first. I'm pretty sure it was SGI's OpenGL, but it may have been WinG or WinToon instead. (It's been a while)
DirectX!? If you want it to only work on windows, then yea, go for it. Otherwise use OpenGL.
Sound is a little trickier, but DirectSound isn't exactly all that and a bag of biscuits. Doesn't Creative Labs pretty much dominate the SoundCard industry?
Reversion? No, we already see diverging codepaths, for instance D3 has different codepaths depending upon the card. Only way to tweak the most performance out of hardware.
Your car has a serial number, it's called a VIN.
Because OSS is freely available to everyone and any development work paid for by government is freely available to the citizenry. Software isn't like a Car, or a physical asset.
Ideally, Government would use only BSD liscensed stuff, but this is a step in the right direction IMO.
Umm, not too long ago, most server systems ran a UNIX flavor. Migrating from an NT-based OS to a UNIX-like or a UNIX flavor wouldn't cost much in that arena. Plus you can get people with 30+ years of experience in UNIX systems... something MS can't compete with.
.com era MCSEs and IT people your company probably hired when it made the migration in the first place, but don't automatically assume it's more expensive for your support people to develop solutions for UNIX-flavor/like A versus New MS OS B. I'd imagine they'd be about the same in man-hours.
Most of your older support staff should be damned familiar with the systems and pick up something like Solaris, AIX, or Linux pretty damn quickly. Now, this doesn't factor in the
Prior Investment: you're absolutely correct here, except for the fact that MS produces notoriously buggy software that it EOLs after a few years. So a few years down the line and you have a security problem that will never be fixed, you're forced to upgrade, incurring all sorts of new costs in developing new procedures/etc. You also have Office interoperability, which breaks with each new version. Other vendors don't do this, IBM for example.
So, the basic question is, over how long do you want to calculate the TCO? In the short term, MS probably costs a lot less, in the long term, I would wager quite a bit that it costs one hell of a lot, as I can't assume they'll change their stripes.
Monopoly:
n 1: (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a monopoly you can ask any price you like"
Nice try though. A real monopoly can charge whatever the hell they like and your only choice is simply not to use it. I don't think a lot of companies are going to stop using Computers.
Hah, I knew someone would correct me on that the second I hit submit.
I do like games, but that's fading, everything seems like a rehash of something else with nothing new really added, well to me anyway. No real innovation, everything seems to want to be "cool." There have been a few games out in recent memory I found fun, but those were mostly console.
Deus Ex was fun to me, MP wasn't. I'm not quite sure why. Maybe it was the noir genre, or the fact that I'd played Deus Ex first and the entire "The Matrix is cool" vibe had faded into repetive oblivion by the time I ever picked up MP.
Games of this genre may have, IMO, hit the same place as shooters have. Fun for the new player, and fun for the enthuisiast[sic] but some of us are just plain sick of em because there hasn't been much evolution in the genre.
You a game programmer? I doubt it. I'm not either, and I've stayed the hell away from graphics work, but I somehow doubt you have the slightest clue wtf you're talking about.
/. catering to the Windows crowd? That's almost laughable.
It doesn't work yet you mean. If there's enough interest in it, it will be run under Linux. Not like it's that big of a freakin deal to dual-boot or anything. You want to apply market pressure, don't buy any windows games, period. Don't emulate Windows, don't run Windows apps. You're going to have to give up a lot of very good, mature software. I don't buy computer games anymore personally, but I may make a notable exception for the new Sam and Max.
Now that you've stopped buying windows games you now need to get at least a quarter of Windows gamers to do the same. Games will then be made for Linux(ignore the fact for the moment that I, and I assume others, like Linux because it's almost a purely workhorse OS.)
Wintendo? That's a new one. I thought most of the hardcore microsoft fanboys/girls owned X-Boxen.
Yes, come develop games for Linux, but they must be free or else our hippy community won't buy them! Free games pay the bills alright(ignoring the resume add and reputation increase inherant in completing a decent game).
Eh, my attitude towards Max Paine can best be described as tepid. I'm sick to death of the whole FPS genre. Wow, a story, but how is it on the repeat single-player? How many times have you gone through and beat it. Is it the type of game you bust out once or twice a year just to go back through?
And multi-player, well multi-player has not changed much in years. Except for improved graphics and stylistically, the gameplay has been pretty static(Although vehicles have gotten better).
Cartoons hold up well.
Movies: Look at Who Framed Roger Rabbit, it still looks amazing. Most Disney stuff doesn't look too dated either.
Games: Apart from some granularity, Sam and Max, Full Throttle, the Dig and the like still look good. Not SOTA, but good. A modern 2D cartoon format game will, IMO stand the test of time graphics-wise. 3D and rendered games, well, they get dated looking after a year or two. Now, cell-shaded games done well (Like Viewtiful Joe or Windwalker) will also stand the test of time and not degrade in quality as quickly. I'm wondering how they'll top the graphics in Viewtiful Joe personally (And I hope they don't make it multi-platform and make them worse! The gamecube is the best at that style)
Play FFX then go play FFVII. FFVII looks like shite in comparison.
Dragon's Lair still looks good, the animation style dates it, and I f*cking hate that game, but it still looks almost as modern as the day it was released.
Oh well, so long as they don't bring back those filmed games(ack they looked/look awful), I'll be happy.
In conclusion, Cartoony graphics have more staying power.
What is this "outside" of which you speak?
Is it that big blue room I keep hearing so much about?
Well, Linux and FreeBSD actually. It took me a little while to get used to it, but, yea, it's all nice and neat to me now.
Why, how is that not organized?
It's extremely organized.
And one of the main reasons has nothing to do with features, stability, security or anything like that.
I'm just an OCD computer control freak. I like knowing EVERYTHING that's on my computer, where it is, nice, neat organized. If I don't have complete control over my desktop and applications, I'm not happy. I hate bloat, so if i don't use something I'd like to completely remove it, no registry keys, nothing remaining, at all.
That's just me tho.
Integrate browser into OS. Continue working on OS, ignore browser.
Would work fine if the browser wasn't a point of failure for the OS. How do they expect to secure the entire package when pieces of it are so full of holes?
Just an honest question.
MS needs to either secure IE, or remove it from their core OS installation (make it an addon) if they're really serious about security IMO.
You mean, you've yet to get a virus that your free AV software detects.
I've been looking forward to it for quite some time, and considering who all it's been endorsed by, I doubt I'll be disappointed.
That's a commercially available bike, not custom, not limited run, not luxury expensive. They could make them faster but they don't, too many newbies buying them and killing themselves. Buy $177K of custom motorcycle and see how fast you can go. George should be able to go into that more.
No, that's remotely putting a hole in me AC. I don't really want to think about how you'd "exploit" that hole... but hey, to each his own, eh?
Lies, all lies, I'm not in sendmail, I don't even run sendmail. I run qmail.
No, you should entrust all your email to me... I'm a nice guy really. I'm *never* responsible for remotely exploitable holes.
Mine didn't, but they still have kids in the house. When I told them they would probably be sued if they didn't spend every moment watching my little bro on the computer and making sure he didn't download. A dateline episode really drove it home for them. Now they care, and they are pissed.