Moot. It's already getting wide coverage, hell my Grandfather knows about it and thinks it's ridiculous. Them suing a 12-year old girl really, really didn't help matters for them.
The RIAA is informing people quite well with their lawsuits, they're forcing it into the public eye. Mr. Card is pushing a few people towards the Anti-RIAA camp, but that's all... he's not going to generate enough noise to trump what the RIAA is doing.
Yo, come over here into the real world. Hi, how're you doing?
I work for an ISP with more users on it then most of the NANAE people admin.
For a while we were blocked by SPEWS because we had the misfortune of being assigned a netblock alongside some spammers when we got a cutrate deal on some lines(GBLX).
Now, as a business can we afford the premium to buy non-spews listed IPs? Can we afford to register with ARIN and remain competitive? No, would SPEWS budge, No. Would GBLX crumble if we left them, no, spammers make more money for them then us legitimate businesses.
So, our options are? Oh, right, appeal to the NANAE people, who won't budge. It took an SBC rep to get us off that list, because he empathized.
That wasn't the point and I wasn't even commenting on Desktop use. Windows wins on the desktop, it wins with games, and it wins with calendering apps, you'll get no argument from me here on any of those points and a few others.
It's not like normal people run major websites, SCATA systems, or the like. They're not qualified to do so. Computers are complex machines and no one will ever be able to make them completely idiot proof. Joe Average is not capable of supplying the necessary skill set to keep say a Nuclear Power Plant's computer systems running. It requires training. And that's why ease of use for servers DOESN'T matter.
While I'll be lacking the elegance of the AC in my response, I think he's got it right. More resources to do the same thing is in no way an advantage, it's a disadvantage.
Which is an unfair comparison since Linux is not as popular - and therefore not as exposed - as Windows.
Linux and Apache are just as popular in the web services area, by far the only systems that SHOULD be exposed, so it IS a fair comparison.
Which is irrelevant given the increasing CPU power and network performance.
So we should continously buy new hardware when older hardware will server because of a shallower learning curve? Whatever the hell you're smoking please pass it around. That's just an insane waste of funds for little gain.
It provides a shallower learning curve. I for one would not have neither the patience or inclination to learn how to set up a server with some goddamn script files.
Ok, not only have we now established that you're lazy, we've also established that you have no earthly clue what you're talking about.
Hi, I'll be speaking for the Linux fanbois[sic] in the audience.
As Mr. AC so kindly pointed out, Windows(including XP, 2003 server, 2000 advanced server, NT4, etc.) falls victim to it's GUI reliance in the server arena. It also falls victim to the bi-monthly virus, critical patch and/or worm attacks that MS is so famous for.
To put it bluntly, it's less secure then Linux, and no more warranteed then Linux. It has no place on any critical systems (and neither does Linux unless it's waranteed as fail-safe).
Yea, terminal services is pretty cool and all, but it doesn't have the speed, elegance and lack of overhead of something like ssh.
That GUI you windows people so rely on costs you, whether you admit it or not. It costs you hardware and performance for no real functional gain.
Second, XP is a home or workstation OS it shouldn't be comparable to a server OS. One OS does not fit all. I wouldn't run an AIX desktop, nor would I run a VMS desktop. Why would you run a Win2k3 Server desktop? For kicks or because XP doesn't cut it in the robust department?
Yes, things have come a long way since Billy G plugged in a USB device into a Win98 box and uttered the words "whoops" but they're still not perfect.
See also: releasing commercial software chocked full of overflow bugs.
See also: critical flaws in the MS API that allow escalation of privaledges. AKA: Shatter Attack
See also: not understanding the concept of a salt when encrypting passwords.
So back off MS Fanboy. Your OS isn't near as good as you think it is.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to reboot into Windows so I can play some video games.
Since you probably didn't read some of the comments, as others have pointed out, these exact comments (and even some source) are in the public domained Unix 7 code, as well as old BSD code (BSD being absolutely in the clear from the settlement). So, this is in no way an example of infringment. Hell code I've wrote w/o ever seeing any of these is similarly constructed and commented.
BSD Comments (malloc), 1986: /* * Allocate 'size' units from the given map. Return the base of the * allocated space. In a map, the addresses are increasing and the * list is terminated by a 0 size. * * Algorithm is first-fit. */
SGI Comments, 1992 - Present: /* * Allocate 'size' units from the given map. * Return the base of the allocated space. * In a map, the addresses are increasing and the * list is terminated by a 0 size. * Algorithm is first-fit. */
Unix 7 (Public Domain) 1979: /* * Allocate 'size' units from the given * map. Return the base of the allocated * space. * In a map, the addresses are increasing and the * list is terminated by a 0 size. * The core map unit is 64 bytes; the swap map unit * is 512 bytes. * Algorithm is first-fit. */
Wow, stunning proof, absolutely stunning that public domain source and comments would get used and modified.
Beware says the buffer, for once upon a dream MS released DOS, and it worked. And next came Windows 3.1 and it also worked. And MS grew larger and more potent with it's market share. And then came Windows 95 and it did not work as well, but it would be fixed in the next version. And 98 came and BSODs abounded. And all the world put up with it, for it would be fixed soon, and all the games were for it. And then came the great plague of ME terror of the desktop. By then it was too late, and MS brought over their latest fix for NT, and called it 2000, and it was OK. But still it could not be perfect at it's release and 4 service packs were issued, 1 for each hundred critical flaws. And then came XP and it also required patching, for MS had lost the spirit of the engineer to a desire to gain market share.
So to, shall be the fate of the X-Box and console industry if Microsoft wins. You have been warned.
I was talking about the driver subsystem and the differences between the Windows Paradigm of direct hardware access and the linux paradigm of indirect hardware access. Since several other posters have claimed it's drivers crashing Windows.
Now, I can crash Linux with an app, but that's not what I meant.
I've had linux modules fail to load or screw up while loading (custom hardware drivers I wrote for something) and they locked a single terminal/process, w/o affecting the OS. You'd basically have to try to crash the OS to get a module to do so and even then it'd be tough.
Windows' Problems run deep, very deep, and they won't be fixed w/o a complete rewrite. Drivers should not be able to take down the OS, but in Windows they can because of the Windows Paradigm.
Maybe they're taking a calculated risk. They could strongly suspect the claims are baseless, and even if they aren't it's not going to be resolved for a good 2-5 years.
When it is resolved, if SCO does win(and survives bleeding cash from legal fees), the infringing code will be removed and they're fine anyway. If the infringing code can't be removed [unlikely], then they're banking on Linux being a serious competitor around then anyway and worth the liscensing fees circa 2007.
Your percentages are way off, except for perhaps the KaZaa one.
Other P2P technologies (IE: Bittorrent) are certainly used for legitimate purposes.
Way more than 1% of the ammunition expended in this country is fired at an animal or a target.
DRM is still very much wait and see so is TCPA. A parent of the parent raised non-DRM uses for it. The non-windows install base is about 10% so if none of those OSes implement DRM the legit uses of TCPA could be arguably placed at a minimum of that level.
If the goal of giving a police officer the ability to kill someone, then that goal would be far greater served by outfitting them with hollowpoint ammo or alternate hollowpoint and roundball ammo, as a hollowpoint round will put a hole in an unarmored person big enough to read a newspaper through. We don't do this because the goal is to stop the offender, not to kill them, people are trained to shoot at the center of body mass because it's the easiest place to hit not because it's the most fatal (the head is the most fatal).
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Do you really miss the eliza psychologist that much?
Also a reference to one of his books.
Moot. It's already getting wide coverage, hell my Grandfather knows about it and thinks it's ridiculous. Them suing a 12-year old girl really, really didn't help matters for them.
The RIAA is informing people quite well with their lawsuits, they're forcing it into the public eye. Mr. Card is pushing a few people towards the Anti-RIAA camp, but that's all... he's not going to generate enough noise to trump what the RIAA is doing.
Right, I make less then a mechanic, and less then some unskilled labor and I'm a programmer with far more education. Fuck you.
Yo, come over here into the real world. Hi, how're you doing?
I work for an ISP with more users on it then most of the NANAE people admin.
For a while we were blocked by SPEWS because we had the misfortune of being assigned a netblock alongside some spammers when we got a cutrate deal on some lines(GBLX).
Now, as a business can we afford the premium to buy non-spews listed IPs? Can we afford to register with ARIN and remain competitive? No, would SPEWS budge, No. Would GBLX crumble if we left them, no, spammers make more money for them then us legitimate businesses.
So, our options are? Oh, right, appeal to the NANAE people, who won't budge. It took an SBC rep to get us off that list, because he empathized.
+1 Insightful.
SPEWS is so strict, and NANAE so abusive to newcomers by nature, that there really is no way of getting off.
Any admin that uses SPEWS should be shot.
Quite an astute way of putting it.
That's also true of windows.
If people had been vigilant and knowledgable, work within the boundaries of it's flaws, we'd see a lot less breakins, viruses and the like.
The problem is, most people don't, and that's OS independant.
That wasn't the point and I wasn't even commenting on Desktop use. Windows wins on the desktop, it wins with games, and it wins with calendering apps, you'll get no argument from me here on any of those points and a few others.
It's not like normal people run major websites, SCATA systems, or the like. They're not qualified to do so. Computers are complex machines and no one will ever be able to make them completely idiot proof. Joe Average is not capable of supplying the necessary skill set to keep say a Nuclear Power Plant's computer systems running. It requires training. And that's why ease of use for servers DOESN'T matter.
I've dealt with that argument above.
While I'll be lacking the elegance of the AC in my response, I think he's got it right. More resources to do the same thing is in no way an advantage, it's a disadvantage.
Which is an unfair comparison since Linux is not as popular - and therefore not as exposed - as Windows.
Linux and Apache are just as popular in the web services area, by far the only systems that SHOULD be exposed, so it IS a fair comparison.
Which is irrelevant given the increasing CPU power and network performance.
So we should continously buy new hardware when older hardware will server because of a shallower learning curve? Whatever the hell you're smoking please pass it around. That's just an insane waste of funds for little gain.
It provides a shallower learning curve. I for one would not have neither the patience or inclination to learn how to set up a server with some goddamn script files.
Ok, not only have we now established that you're lazy, we've also established that you have no earthly clue what you're talking about.
Hi, I'll be speaking for the Linux fanbois[sic] in the audience.
As Mr. AC so kindly pointed out, Windows(including XP, 2003 server, 2000 advanced server, NT4, etc.) falls victim to it's GUI reliance in the server arena. It also falls victim to the bi-monthly virus, critical patch and/or worm attacks that MS is so famous for.
To put it bluntly, it's less secure then Linux, and no more warranteed then Linux. It has no place on any critical systems (and neither does Linux unless it's waranteed as fail-safe).
Yea, terminal services is pretty cool and all, but it doesn't have the speed, elegance and lack of overhead of something like ssh.
That GUI you windows people so rely on costs you, whether you admit it or not. It costs you hardware and performance for no real functional gain.
Second, XP is a home or workstation OS it shouldn't be comparable to a server OS. One OS does not fit all. I wouldn't run an AIX desktop, nor would I run a VMS desktop. Why would you run a Win2k3 Server desktop? For kicks or because XP doesn't cut it in the robust department?
Yes, things have come a long way since Billy G plugged in a USB device into a Win98 box and uttered the words "whoops" but they're still not perfect.
See also: releasing commercial software chocked full of overflow bugs.
See also: critical flaws in the MS API that allow escalation of privaledges. AKA: Shatter Attack
See also: not understanding the concept of a salt when encrypting passwords.
So back off MS Fanboy. Your OS isn't near as good as you think it is.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to reboot into Windows so I can play some video games.
Unless you have some reputable company giving a guarantee of fitness and fail-safe support, yes.
In which case, you'll be paying for it.
Difference:
One is free, the other is charged for.
Actually buying a product makes a whole world of difference in warranty.
Still liability for software is NOT something we want or need for the reasons you inferred among others.
Don't worry, I don't make a habit of it.
Since you probably didn't read some of the comments, as others have pointed out, these exact comments (and even some source) are in the public domained Unix 7 code, as well as old BSD code (BSD being absolutely in the clear from the settlement). So, this is in no way an example of infringment. Hell code I've wrote w/o ever seeing any of these is similarly constructed and commented.
BSD Comments (malloc), 1986:
/*
* Allocate 'size' units from the given map. Return the base of the
* allocated space. In a map, the addresses are increasing and the
* list is terminated by a 0 size.
*
* Algorithm is first-fit.
*/
SGI Comments, 1992 - Present:
/*
* Allocate 'size' units from the given map.
* Return the base of the allocated space.
* In a map, the addresses are increasing and the
* list is terminated by a 0 size.
* Algorithm is first-fit.
*/
Unix 7 (Public Domain) 1979:
/*
* Allocate 'size' units from the given
* map. Return the base of the allocated
* space.
* In a map, the addresses are increasing and the
* list is terminated by a 0 size.
* The core map unit is 64 bytes; the swap map unit
* is 512 bytes.
* Algorithm is first-fit.
*/
Wow, stunning proof, absolutely stunning that public domain source and comments would get used and modified.
No. Ye who bought X-Boxes, beware.
Beware says the buffer, for once upon a dream MS released DOS, and it worked. And next came Windows 3.1 and it also worked. And MS grew larger and more potent with it's market share. And then came Windows 95 and it did not work as well, but it would be fixed in the next version. And 98 came and BSODs abounded. And all the world put up with it, for it would be fixed soon, and all the games were for it. And then came the great plague of ME terror of the desktop. By then it was too late, and MS brought over their latest fix for NT, and called it 2000, and it was OK. But still it could not be perfect at it's release and 4 service packs were issued, 1 for each hundred critical flaws. And then came XP and it also required patching, for MS had lost the spirit of the engineer to a desire to gain market share.
So to, shall be the fate of the X-Box and console industry if Microsoft wins. You have been warned.
I was talking about the driver subsystem and the differences between the Windows Paradigm of direct hardware access and the linux paradigm of indirect hardware access. Since several other posters have claimed it's drivers crashing Windows.
Now, I can crash Linux with an app, but that's not what I meant.
I've had linux modules fail to load or screw up while loading (custom hardware drivers I wrote for something) and they locked a single terminal/process, w/o affecting the OS. You'd basically have to try to crash the OS to get a module to do so and even then it'd be tough.
Windows' Problems run deep, very deep, and they won't be fixed w/o a complete rewrite. Drivers should not be able to take down the OS, but in Windows they can because of the Windows Paradigm.
How to secure Redhat 8 or 9 in 5 seconds out of the box.
/etc/inittab
/etc/rc2.d
vi
set the runlevel to 2.
cd
mv S60Sendmail to s60sendmail
Reboot (or stop services), and Done.
This leaves a bare minimum of services enabled, the firewall, ssh, logging, cron, random and network.
Now, beat that speed for a basically secure install on Windows.
If Oracle says, hey nothing to worry about, and IBM says, hey nothing to worry about, and Redhat says hey, nothing to worry about.
The market cap of those 3 companies makes SCO look like a raindrop falling into the ocean. Their spiel won't influence too many.
Maybe they're taking a calculated risk. They could strongly suspect the claims are baseless, and even if they aren't it's not going to be resolved for a good 2-5 years.
When it is resolved, if SCO does win(and survives bleeding cash from legal fees), the infringing code will be removed and they're fine anyway. If the infringing code can't be removed [unlikely], then they're banking on Linux being a serious competitor around then anyway and worth the liscensing fees circa 2007.
I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.
[Fanboy]
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Sam and max... Cancelled?
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gasp.... gasp... gasp....
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
gasp... gasp... gasp....
I need my Sam and Max.
Best... game... ever....
-- Faints --
[/Fanboy]
Trust me, the school already has all of this information on you, and no, they probably don't erase it.
You should be happy there isn't a disconcerting mod with that little revelation.
Personally, I'm surprised no privacy zealot has jumped in frothing at the mouth and ready to flame like a 12 year old on speed yet.
But no one uses linux, so why teach it?
And why not Mac 101, huh? At least it has lickable buttons.
Your percentages are way off, except for perhaps the KaZaa one.
Other P2P technologies (IE: Bittorrent) are certainly used for legitimate purposes.
Way more than 1% of the ammunition expended in this country is fired at an animal or a target.
DRM is still very much wait and see so is TCPA. A parent of the parent raised non-DRM uses for it. The non-windows install base is about 10% so if none of those OSes implement DRM the legit uses of TCPA could be arguably placed at a minimum of that level.
If the goal of giving a police officer the ability to kill someone, then that goal would be far greater served by outfitting them with hollowpoint ammo or alternate hollowpoint and roundball ammo, as a hollowpoint round will put a hole in an unarmored person big enough to read a newspaper through. We don't do this because the goal is to stop the offender, not to kill them, people are trained to shoot at the center of body mass because it's the easiest place to hit not because it's the most fatal (the head is the most fatal).