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KDE 3.2 'Rudi' Beta Released
An anonymous reader writes "The beta of the next version of KDE, billed as 'the premiere Open Source desktop', has been released. Read the announcement at KDE.org. Notable features include a big clean up of the interface and menus, Improvements to KHTML from Apple, better accessibility and hardware support. There are also new applications such as JuK (a music player similar to iTunes), KDevelop (a graphical IDE), Kontact (an integrated communications package like Outlook) and more. Download it here and since this is a beta, report any problems or bugs you have." Also, nukem996 points out "The counter-terrorism unit on TV series '24' went KDE this season, too."
Hey, if 24 has embraced it, how long until Apple itself does?
Way to go KDE!
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Why does everything have to be PREMIERE? I swear, it's been 5 years since anything mediocre was released. There must be amazing advancements made in every field on a daily basis.
Maybe it should be more clear and say that the beta of KDevelop 3.0 is out now, perhaps?
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As much as I like KDE - and I do, I use KDE - there's plenty of times I find myself needing to use non-KDE apps such as Openoffice, Mozilla, and others to do the things I need to do. The interface for KDE is easy enough to use and powerful enough, after many years of development, that instead of adding eye candy, it would be more worthwhile to improve the included applications. I like KDE, but there's still room for improvement. Unfortunately, I don't think the KDE developers are as much concentrating their efforts on the areas that need it. Note that I think KDE is also already more useful than Microsoft Windows, because it looks better, it's more secure, and the included apps are far better than what you get with a Windows installation - unless you want to pay a few hundred dollars for MS Office and the other apps you'll want.
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For the record KDevelop is not a new application. Maybe the submitter was referring to the newest beta version being included in the KDE 3.2 beta?
Last link looks /.ed, anyone get the article text?
Hello... a KDE announcement on Slashdot? Cooool!! ;)
Now that we've been politically correct for a little bit, let's go back to Gnome reporting.
Can you hear me, Major Tom? I'm not the man they think I am at home...
anyone know if superkaramba will be included in this beta release or the next?
my blog
cuz terrorists use gnome... this is a new phase of the kde vs gnome battle
gnome, the new axis of evil.
MY EYES, MY EYES
Seriously, how did they build a good looking iTunes clone with THAT colour sense?
Founder of Mirror Moon - Tsukihime Game Trans
Mandrake users can download RPMS here:
http://www.n9nu.net/linux/kde.php
I have been using them since Friday and they work great!
No, i don't like sigs...
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8333
That's pretty funny. Pretty good shot of your a-hole too. It has that trademark leathery worn look of a Windows zealot's that's so accustomed to frequent Billy-bumpings.
Can I build fast, non-scripted, closed source apps for KDE like I can for GNOME? Or do I still have to pay the 4 digit price tag for a commerical QT DEV license?
I've always wondered about slicker:
Slicker: A collection of utilities which provide alternative for our beloved kicker. Slicker consists of three primary items Cards, the Slider, and a Task-bar. Which can be used in conjunction with each other, and Kicker, or utilized by themselves.
It always seemed like such an innovative idea, I'm surprised it hasn't ended up in the mainsteam of KDE yet.
Who said Freedom was Fair?
This is another site that talks about 24 using KDE, since the link in the article seems to be /.'ed, or just dead to begin with. I didn't notice this on 24... how cool is that?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
How much longer until we get a completely SVG user interface? Thats the main feature I want, I also would like them to work on making it faster. Why arent they trying to optimize the current code before adding new features? KDE is slow!
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
It's good to notice that KMidi is dropped from KMultimedia. It's a pain because of the old Timidity engine (which is KMidi's back-end) still uses the old ALSA 0.5. It causes compilation problems if you compile KMultimedia with ALSA yourself. And KDE people decided to get rid of it at the moment and cited that it's not an easy fix.
It's too bad because AFAIK that's the simplest program for MIDI playing using synthesizers (albeit not that good). Other programs are geared toward compositions... Any suggestions?
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The way I heard it was that Apple simply created a new branch of KHTML and wasn't interested or willing to port their changes and improvements over to the main KHTML branch. Has Apple changed and is now helping out the KDE group? If so what kind of changes and improvements have they made? Bugzilla queries anyone?
Isn't that a flavor of pie or something
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
I notice it's running on a Dell machine. In the first season all the bad guys used 'em.
Hmm... my Boss also has a Dell! Arhh!!
I spent an hour searching google for what SMTP server meant
Okay it's one thing to now know what an SMTP server is. Fine. Plenty of people are in the same boat.
But to use "Sir Haxalot" as your sig and not know? Go back to talking about Britney or the latest UT aimbot on IRC. That is if it's not past your bedtime.
Hey maybe there's a new l33t desktop wallpaper on kde-look? I'm sure that'll bring all the answers. Heck I bet someone like you could hack the Gibson.
Sheesh.
So what if Canopy and SCO own trolltech and trolltech hosts KDE and Canopy Representatives
are on the Trolltech board of directors
If anybody says that KDE is associated with SCO and Canopy, they are Flamers and trollers.
So i forget, this one is written in C?
... Kontact (an integrated communications package like Outlook) ...
...?
Just exactly how much "like Outlook"
God help us all if it's very much like Outlook!
-kgj
You'd think with all these Linux users who happen to be programmers that they'd make the most advanced sophisticated programming tools, but Linux programming tools are for the most part crap, the only decent programming tool is Kdevelop. So as a rule everyone who uses Kdevelop to write code should add a feature or fix a bug in Kdevelop.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
I'm seriously beginning to question the ability of any open source project to challenge Apple on the user experience front. Come on, look at these JuK screen shots and compare to iTunes screen shots.
Now, I will fully admit to never actually using JuK, but just from its appearance, I don't want to. I do use iTunes extensively (on a Mac, I only use UNIX-based OSs). So, on iTunes, I have 3 control buttons, a pretty status meter, and a search field. That is it. Now look at JuK. There is a crapload of buttons making the interface completely suck. Why is there a save button? I never save in iTunes, when changes get made, they automatically are propagated through the library. Easy. Why are there cut and paste butttons? Do they need to take up screen space. Leave them buried in a menu. How often are they used in the main interface screen? In iTunes, I rarely go to the menu's. About the only time is when I want to create a new smart playlist. The three buttons and the search field take care of 98% of what I want to do on the interface. This is what makes Apple user friendly and pretty to look at.
If open source wants to be the peoples' desktop, they have to start considering the interfaces they design. There is a reason why people like to use Macs and proclaim the interface as the superior solution: it is. There are things to be learned here, but time and time again, with each new release of a new program, the user interfaces continue to suck.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
"There must be amazing advancements made in every field on a daily basis."
If by "amazing advancements" you mean "more buzzwords" and by "every field" you mean "marketing".
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
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Site response is already slow here...
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-- Bill "Houdini" Weiss
Hey, at the risk of replying to flamebait and subjecting myself to a mod down, why don't ya send us all an e-mail when they release a Linux (or a Mac for that matter) version of Winamp?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
KDevelop is a new application since when exactly?
There is one: XMMS, even can use the same skin files. :P
Slashdot needs a Canopy icon to group these posts under along with the SCO posts, for Canopy fans.
Screenshots and photos here: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/programs/program. php?program=KBinaryClock
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
Windows fan: "It still doesn't look and behave exactly like WindowsXP and is therefore not ready for the Desktop!"
Linux fan: (Score: -1, Flaimbait, Troll, Anger in the ass)
For a music player with a good GUI and lots of functionality XMMS is the Linux king. Unfortuantaly it doesn't do everything and I can't buy music through it, but its fast, supports more sound and image plugins then you can shake a stick at and has a sharp, skinnable GUI and works better then anything I've been able to use on my Windows pc here at work.
Xmms is a shining example of OSS quality software and like I'd imagine iTunes is, its a real pleasure to use.
Quack, quack.
I, for one, appreciate more alternative music players on the *nix side of the world. While setting up my music server (with video output to the TV), I tested a variety of applications to see what might work best. My requirements included:
- The ability to be controlled from an LIRC remote control
- The ability to interface to an LCD screen for song info (haven't set this up yet, but it was a consideration)
- Large, easy to read playlist
- Large buttons that are easy to manipulate by the somewhat awkward mouse on my wireless keyboard
I tried xine (along with derivatives like the gtk version), and found the playlists difficult to manipulate easily. xmms works decently, but I had to double size the top screen and those unfamiliar with it's interface (or winamp) would have a more difficult time adding songs because the "add" and "remove" buttons are practically unreadable on the TV. Though I found a decent theme, xmms is not designed for full screen usage with large buttons. Because of this, screen real estate is not devoted to things like easy-to-find switching of playlists along with other features I'm sure could be incorporated.
I would love for Juk to become a full featured sound program which could perform a variety of functions seamlessly:
- Ability to manipulate playlists on any other computer given appropriate access (without using remote X or VNC). Sharing of music between clients is not important to me, I have my music mounted from a central location within the network
- creating playlists by the meta data (like "smart" playlists on iTunes).
- Pop in a CD, have it show up as a separate playlist, and preferably be able to rip the tracks into OGG or FLAC on command
- Burn mix CDs based off the playlist (not as important, but shouldn't be too hard if code is shared with koncd)
- Interface doesn't need to be skinnable but should be usable at a variety of resolutions. Keyboard shortcuts should be available for just about everything.
Looks like some of those features already exist in Juk, and I look forward to using it once it's released with 3.2 stable.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
I think not. Using the concept of desktop environment, the comparison is valid.
Qt has always been another of Microsoft's backdoor strategies to destroy linux "when and if".
Someone would have to be a severe idiot to buy a qt license for their company at $1550 when they can buy the latest copy of windows and visual studio for quite a bit less. Lots of companies refuse to GPL the source to their internal-use applications.
Of course, there is no shortage of idiots in the world.
From the first season on, bad guys/gals on 24 have used Windows as their OS (this was how we were tipped off that Nina was evil. She suddenly switched computers). The specific hardware (Intel, AMD, etc.) is never noted (for obvious reasons)
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.2beta1 .php
Can I build fast, non-scripted, closed source apps for KDE like I can for GNOME? Or do I still have to pay the 4 digit price tag for a commerical QT DEV license?
Last I checked, yes you can. The requirement from Qt is non-commercial, not open source (QPL licence, GPL/QPL dual licenced...). If the question was "Can I take Qt, use their work for free in my application to make me money?", then the answer is "No, you need to pay us a licence fee for the way our work has helped you earn money on your work."
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
why JuK (another music player)? because there wasn't a good playlist centric, simple to use player that integrated well with KDE. now there is. the winamp/XMMS interface is horrid compared to the JuK/iTunes style... of course, for those who prefer XMMS or Noatun, they are still there. i would also suggest using JuK before saying it isn't a good music player. it's actually quite kick-ass. (yes, that's a technical term ;)
why another email app? in this case there isn't since Kontact uses KMail as a component. there isn't any email code in kontact itself, it's all in KMail which already existed. and why does KMail exist? because there simply aren't any other decent GUI mail clients for KDE.
the answers are similar for word processing, IM client, etc. the apps in KDE 3 integrate well and offer a good number of features. you'll notice that, by and large, there aren't many duplicated KDE applications. there is usually one, and occasionally two, KDE apps that fill any particular need.
I heard goatse's down, too.
parent marked as troll, does that mean it was marked by a KDE troll? listen, i know the truth may hurt, but KDE really does suck, its the hard truth, deal with it.
We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully "designed" to have come into existence by chance.
This troll has been done before.
I've always hated X-Windows and wanted it gone and out of my computer. Does the KDE group ever plan on ditching X-Windows?
See my newsgroup thread (KDE seen in Alias episode 11 (A Higher Echelon)) from January 2003.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
KDE needs to take drastic measures to compete with storage and prepare for the future.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
Hey, us Guitarists don't need any more 13 year old 'Talent' hacking on a fine Gibson guitar! Let em hack the planet, if they're up to it. I suggest they start by digging a 7 foot by 3 foot by six foot deep hole.
You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
VERY insightfull comment. Too bad more people don't seem to listen to people like him.
XMMS is a mediocre clone of Winamp 2. It gets the job done, sorta, but it's certainly not something I'd hold up as quality software.
TODO: Something witty here...
I most definitely wouldn't use Winamp as an example of a good audio player. Back in the time I used it a lot and even after learning all the necessary keyboard shortcuts I couldn't help thinking that the UI was horrible.
Then I found foobar2000 and my life became tolerable again... for a moment. Now I have a wonderful audio player that only runs in an OS I happen to very strongly dislike.
150 mb just for a GUI with some apps. It's as big as win98 install already.
Having said that, it looks sweet. Konqueror is getting better every day, and i am looking forward to kopete (don't use 0.8 beta, it's buggy as hell, i reported around 10 big bugs already)
Open Source Java Web Forum with LDAP authentication
look! it's a dell
The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.
"There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
I'm running Alpha 2, and it is great. Many UI bugs fixed, like now they shrink tabs instead of making you scroll around when there are lots of tabs open.
I miss "view source" in the context menu on a webpage, and I'm still patiently waiting for some mid-mouse AutoScroll, Opera and Firebird seem to be able to deal with this as meaning "paste" when on a textarea, "scroll" when on plaintext, and "open in new tab" when on a link. I would love to see this in Konq. Konqeror is still my primary browser anyway.
I like music
Microsoft hadn't arranged their car so that if the radio breaks all the tires blow out.
To gain performance MS has taken what was originally a very elegant modular system with a graphical shell on top of a solid kernel and coded user apps directly into kernel space. See "browser integration," which means that a bug in the browser is a bug in kernel space. See the recent RPC exploit.
It wasn't meant to be this way, but marketing has made it so, whatever the elegance of the original architecture. It is the reality that must be dealt with.
In this sense, yes, KDE as a shell on top of the Linux kernel is more secure than the Explorer shell, Internet Explorer, Outlook and Office "wired into" the NT kernel. ( And such a configuration is closer to what the term KDE really means in practice).
KDE has its own problems of course, so to that extent original poster is perhaps naive. If the radio stops working the windshield wipers stop too, but the tires don't blow out.
Which means you're also less likely to find yourself carjacked.
KFG
Jack (and the good guys at CTU) have Macs.
AC replied to you that XMMS is the Linux version of Winamp.
I don't believe this to be so. I tried XMMS when it was young, and it seemed to me that they were building it from their own code to be as much like Winamp as possible, from the UI POV.
XMMS is a direct replacement for Winamp for most people. It works well and plays tunes.
XMMS is one of the few programs that I actually say "as good as the Windows app" about.
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
I think Shakrai's point was that winamp hasn't been properly released on linux, and so we need others to create clones, etc. Hence we do need the wheel to be reinvented.
You need Mythtv setup with at least Mythmusic (screenshot). It's perfect for this and it was designed to be easily used with a remote and a television monitor.
It will play/rip/visualize/navigate your music collection and if your using Debian or Mandrake is just a quick apt/urpmi away (for Mandrake configure urpmi to use Thacs RPM's first, as described on the site).
Quack, quack.
What makes Xmms simple is its plug-in arcitecture, not its features. I'm too lazy to count, but Xmms is complicated, its just well designed.
Quack, quack.
we'll either have to get off our lazy butts and figure out how to do this ourselves or
we'll have to wait for Mandrake 937.34733e+07283 to get this hot item..
Hmm, should I wait or get off the pot???
And IMHO its the fastest, easiest to use hands down. With Goom and Jess visualizing on my TV its just about perfect. Default skin beats W/A and is sleek and easy on the eyes.
Quack, quack.
Great. Just bloody great. I only just took delivery of SuSE 9.0 and now I have to upgrade half of it already. So begins the long decline into terminal bit rot.
*sigh*.
"For a music player with a good GUI and lots of functionality XMMS is the Linux king."
Oh, lord, you must be kidding. XMMS is one of the projects that I always point to as an example of how badly an open source development project can go.
There's probably not a mistake they haven't made. And they revel in it. It's almost a juvenile, masturbatory event.
"I find your lack of screenshots disturbing." ;-)
dot.kde.org's news entry claims
There is no such thing as "a public domain license". Putting a copyrighted work in the public domain means forgoing all copyright power for that work. Licenses, by contrast, tell you what you what the terms are for activities regulated by copyright law. Licensed works are still under copyright.
When I read the KDE art site pointed to by dot.kde.org's article, I can't find the phrase "public domain". There is language that suggests the copyright holders tried to do something similar ("The images inside this directory are COMPLETELY FREE for commercial and non-commercial use." emphasis theirs). To be clear, when you mean the work is in the public domain, say the work is in the public domain. The Creative Commons makes doing this easy now (if you're talking about US copyright law).
Digital Citizen
Well, if you think all music players are half finished and not as good as Winamp, you probably haven't tried KPlayer. At version 0.3 it already is far better than all Winamps together. Or should I say was? Because 0.4 is about to be released, with an excellent playlist support. And best of all, KPlayer is based on the media player.
I'd hate to see them busy up the default design too, thats why I like it so much (aside from the slick GUI design).
Quack, quack.
I just realized that the Qt license is for commercial use, not closed source use. In this case it isn't much an ethical thing as a if-you-make-money-with-this-pay-us thing, which does make sense to me.
The following sentence is true. The preceding sentence was false.
Surely you mean 9.3734733e+7285 ?
I guess the Xmms dev team could be faulted for not satisfying everyone all of the time, but that would be going a little too far. If you really hate the GUI's for so many appliactions (I'd agree with you on some and disagree on others) maybe try the command line app splay. Its got no GUI to compain of, but it sounds better then any other app I've used on a computer. Does shuffle or non shuffle, ^C to exit. Its a surprisingly nice little player.
Quack, quack.
Why do I have to choose between KDE and GNOME? What if I want the latest software from each on my desktop? When somebody comes up with a layer that unifies them into one app GUI environment, the entire unified installed base will be available for app developers, like Win32 under Win98, Win2K and WinXP.
--
make install -not war
In the final (or possibly penultimate) episode, you see KMail on Michelle's desktop. I noticed this while watching the DVD the other day. And no, I didn't need to go and freeze-frame it or anything.
By the plugins available. Like the Audioscrobbler for relational rating, or oddcast/blackice for streaming, or the sound enhancing plugins for 4Front Technologies and of course the great visual plugins like Goom or Jess.
I'm sure there are plently of additional features people would like and plugins aren't the answer to everything, but as a music/media player it is just what I need and its a real pleasure to use. The bigger players seem like bloatware to me and what they add in gawdy buttons doesn't actually seem to enhance my experience.
Quack, quack.
> What are these guys doing right as compared to all the
> other projects?
Yes, this is an -excellent- question.
My take on it is:
1) They consistently pick the best tool for the job, regardless of ideology (see Qt);
2) They put a considerable amount of engineering work in under-the-hood infrastructure design;
3) While others bicker or troll, they code.
Simple as that, really. I'm very, very happy that they proved and keep proving that good engineering is how you make the damn best software out there. In this world of quick hacks and half-assed kludges and people who think themselves programmers because they got their VB project to compile, this is quite comforting for old asses like me...
-- B.
This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
Ok, so what USEFUL application would you like to see as part of the KDE system that doesn't currently exist? Something scientific? A KDE photo editor like Gimp or Photoshop?
Secondly, if there's an itch that's bothering you, then scratch it. There's no barrier to entry. The code's all right there. KDevelop would even help you if you understand the programming language necessary. If you can't write it, but feel like you NEED it, pay someone to write it for you. Just realize that whining on /. isn't going to fix the problem.
Or, failing all that, go to KDE bugs page and fill out a request for your USEFUL feature. Maybe someone on the development teams will decide that you're correct and implement the feature.
Overrated / Underrated : Moderation
Came across it in Linux Journal years ago and haven't come across a more satifying player yet. For player integration wouldn't something like Gstreamer be good? I don't use the larger desktop managers so I don't have much experience (go Blackbox!), but it seems that would (could?) be more tightly integrated (file playback on mouse over, etc).
Quack, quack.
Nope.
The song "Vision Thing" by The Sisters of Mercy. It's even from the album "Vision Thing" .
I didn't do this, now did I?
Interestingly I count 14 widgets in the Juk pic and 14 widgets in itune.
Not counting grid columns or menus.
Aside: why so many people turn on the flameguns on slashdot whenever a KDE project tries to do something cool? It's almost as though people feel threatened or something; it is really getting annoying.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
1) you should consider stopping posting with this name, it is very offensive. It assumes you subscribe to nazi ideology.
2) check out kstars, it's one of the top astronomical programs available and it's free. So maybe you don't care about that but KDE has massive amounts of extremely useful applications.
Xmms takes the cake. Fast, sleek, extensable and easy to use. All the benifits of Winamp without the bad code.
Quack, quack.
This site is way worse...
plz send me a computer so i can run an osx computer made by ur fellow apple hippez.
Why the hell do Mac users need Winamp? Just the name WIN-amp would make em barf.
I might just have to try one of these newfangled "desktop" thingies.
:wq
Use Konstruct to easily install KDE (including betas).
http://www.kubuntu.org/
Re:Kontact: how much like Outlook
Not much at all. The applications in Kontact are not really integrated, they just live in the same window, sort of like tabs in konqueror and mozilla.
Thanks.
-kgj
> So, on iTunes, I have 3 control buttons, a pretty
> status meter, and a search field. That is it.
Yes, that's it. Either it's enought for you or you have a problem.
> Now look at JuK. There is a crapload of buttons
> making the interface completely suck.
You don't have to use those buttons. You can remove them or add new ones.
It would be cool if you could clean the JuK toolbar and send the patch (or screenshot) to the Juk developers.
That's the reason for a beta version!
Next you should welcome me as your cliche comment posting overlord.
What I posted was an insightful comment pointing out some of the flaws in JuK. Yes, I don't currently use it. No, I'm not going to submit patches because iTunes satisfies my needs. However, I'm not opposed to JuK and if it improves greatly, I will consider using it. If the developers are paying attention, they will address some of the issues I raised. It is called constructive criticism, and it is a good thing. You however, apparently just prefer to troll, and I'll take the bait in defense of myself.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Eh. I like it. I dunno if this occurs to a lot of you techo Nazis and techo terrorists (that one is especially for you) but one size doesn't fit all and one man's meat is another man's poison. These old sayings exist because it's a commonplace problem.
I've never been able to figure out the open source community (or free software community or Linux community or whatever label you want to generically stick on them, whoever they are) simultaneously creates choice, freedom and... elitist, snob assholes who have to shit talk eveyr last piece of software they don't use or don't like.
I mean geez, my 88 Volvo was the perfect car. It was a wagon so I had a lot of room, could seat five, it got good gas mileage. It wasn't much to look at but as all "1337" types know, if it looks good it must be polished shit. I mean... EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!
By that right, all other cars blow. Especially those new Vipers. They're proof that Dodge can polish a turd! I mean... they can't even seat as many as my old car and it can't haul as much as my truck. It's just for rick pricks with small penises who have too much money that they obviously don't deserve. Everyone knows people who have a lot of money don't deserve it, right?
I like KDE a lot. I use it daily. In fact, it's one of the primary reasons I use Linux. I used to use Gnome but I liked KDE better because EVERYONE KNOWS Gnome sucks right? (Although, it's actually because my preferences obviously differ from Gnome people's and this is why choice is good.)
Man... you sideline software critics piss me off.
I think the developers of the software for that TV show just wanted to appear on slashdot.
Actually.... there was a release of a Linux port of WinAmp. They never maintained it though.
Don't forget NeWS, which did the PostScript GUI much better (everything was done with postscript, while DPS uses other calls to create windows and manage events). NeWS was also out much earlier and was enormously easier to modify the toolkit on as it was all in PostScript.
I would actually hope is *is* like Outlook. Outlook has a great user interface minus the damn IMAP pausing bug.
... also, of course, the karma whoring -- backhanding a Microsoft product, easy way to get modded up Funny ....
You're right, of course. Credit where it's due: Microsoft knows how to make interfaces, some of them are great. (Arguably, interfaces are Microsoft's main business: interface design is where programming meets content.)
When I said those Bad Things about Outlook, I was thinking of Outlook viruses
-kgj
DAMN YOU VISUAL PERSISTENCE!
Help us build a better map!
Because when Microsoft finally releases Longhorn in 2005, barring further delay, you'll really see something mediocre released.
Help us build a better map!
Hi there, I have a question. It is not clear to me, if u develop a commercial application for kde, don't u build it against kdelibs? I mean, to develop a commercial application for kde do u need to buy a qt licence or u need that just if u are developing a qt-based application? Ex TheKompany at the beginning of their history were developing kde apps than they went to pure qt applications, were they required, at the beginning to buy a qt licence for they kde based work?
# There is no such thing as "a public domain
# license". Putting a copyrighted work in the public
# domain means forgoing all copyright power for that
# work.
This is not possible in German copyright law. A creator always keeps the Urheberrecht (author right which is larger than the copy right). A creation always has a creator.
The only way to emulate the Angloamerican concept of "public domain" is to give a free licence to the public. This could very well be called a "public domain license".
German law applies because the icons were made in Germany by a German.
Moritz
Mac fan: "It still looks and behaves exactly like WindowsXP and is therefore not ready for the Desktop!"
The problem isn't that we have different toolkits, the problem is that we aren't able to simply set our preferences in the KDE/GNOME control center and they're then applied to all apps
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
Fruityloop for Linux, howabout Kloop.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
I've been running 3.2 alpha1 on my primary desktop since it was released and haven't had any real problems (thank you konstruct). Tonight I grabbed 3.2b1 RPMS for SuSE and put it on a laptop I just built, and I seem to be having the same problems as everyone else, with only "Menu Settings" showing up in kcontrol.
:-), everything looks great. Not much surprising since I've been using alpha1 anyway, but very nice and quick. Although I've got nothing to benchmark it against on this laptop.
So aside from not being able to change anything
Any workarounds for the kcontol menu issue, besides installing desktop-data-SuSE-8.2.99-61.noarch, which didn't work?
I like music