Once again, the article doesn't mention that we tested with an iPhone, just a Windows Mobile device. We were told by O2 that the iPhone would be exactly the same.
And yes, they have claimed web and email access for PAYG, non-iPhone users. Read the article.
The article doesn't mention about iPhones. That's just what O2 said; it'll have the same problem with email on PAYG. It still doesn't work on non-iPhones like I said.
I've updated the article as you've been so vocal on this matter.
It doesn't work on non-iPhone phones, i can't confirm or deny that it works on iPhones - but isn't it a bit unfair to treat customers differently based on their handset?
Also, have you tried this with non-O2 mail servers? With IMAP? I'd love to know how you can get this to work on 'normal' handsets, because O2 say its a 'technical limitation'.
So if you'd sent a picture message to a friend and it appeared in Google's listings, with your phone number and the text you wrote - you wouldn't care?
This isn't about the children, its about a mobile phone operator having an insecure website.
Sure, 02 should have taken steps to avoid being indexed, but they aren't responsible for leaking the photos.
Their site is not suitabled secured, usually it would require a mobile number and pin code but this 16-digit code circumnavigates this requirement.
From TFA, apparently these are also being picked up by Google's Toolbar.
Surely if you'd MMS'd a friend a picture message, and they'd changed to a phone without MMS without you knowing - your picture will most likely be available on O2's website. Is this right? Should it be more secured? Or don't you care about who see's your 'private' conversations?
So yeah, it does affect customers. Anyone who sends an MMS to a non-MMS capable phone (presumably if the phone can't do MMS, it probably can't do eMail either), the MMS is posted to O2's website, and that's where the problem starts.
At least it might get O2's attention! All the action they've taken so far is deleting forum posts from their own forums and ignoring any email or telephone complaints.
Are you really from the O2 Team? If so, I've got a few words for you...
I think you'll find that there's still the same number as yesterday - I'm the DugUK as mentioned in the InformationWeek article.
I posted the comment in the O2 Forums, and they not only deleted my comments, they disabled my account too! I'm glad people are finally beginning to realise this is a problem and can't just be hidden up.
For my next trick, I'd like everyone to also know that EMAIL DOES NOT WORK ON PAY AS YOU GO on O2! They've blocked port access.
Probably, O2 have already disabled access to email for non-contract users.
I tried to post this on/. the other day but hasn't been accepted; being as anyone on O2 is probably reading this article, I'll post it here.
"It's been reported in a number of places that UK Mobile Phone company, O2 are blocking some internet ports for some customers.
It appears that although Contract customers on the mobile network are fully able to access email and SSH via their mobile phone, yet customers subscribed through 'Pay as you Go' (PAYG; a non-subscription service, paid up in front as credit), are only given WAP access, which only provides very basic HTTP access.
Essentially this means that anyone with a pay-in-front service agreement won't be able to access their email or use anything apart from basic HTTP, even though O2 are now selling and advertising the new Apple iPhone on PAYG and stating it will support "all the same features as contract customers".
It's been reported that on contacting O2, they state its a technical problem and one that can't be resolved, yet it's also been mentioned that their own O2 POP3 mail service does work, but access to any other service doesn't.
Are O2 right to restrict access for customers not on a fixed contract? Does your mobile phone company do the same thing? And are O2 advertising unfairly?"
If it was just bad FF.js/HTML then changing the user agent would fix the problem, and it don't.
Um, not if IE is using non-standard js, that isn't supported in Firefox. I think that's kinda the problem. Hotmail's code for Firefox doesn't work because MS broke it, and the IE js isn't compliant.
look carefully, its in the center of the page; if the site doesn't load it redirects back to the old version with a message, in a yellow box on the main hotmail page. its easy to miss - i did too.
Agreed, I've tried to look into seeing if my body could be worth something after I'm dead (I doubt it), but is there some system for this? Some extreme donor card perhaps?
Anyone know how you might get into this - as stock, not an employee...
Isn't it kind of the point that a net neutral ISP would not be able to watch data over their network and prevent piracy*?
It's kinda like saying if we let the Royal Mail read ever letter, we might catch a few criminals. If we don't, we'll have to catch them in some other more complicated and convoluted way.
Seriously, if its a criminal matter, I've not got too much of a problem with the GOVERNMENT watching our downloading. There's a possible reason behind it. Plus (usually) it'd go to a criminal court. If its just any company checking to see if I've just listening to 30 seconds of some other artists music, is it really their right to be able to use my own ISP against me without any proof?
* (read as: be forced to sue their customers on behalf on a organisation that doesn't stand for its members)
I know a lot of you won't agree with this petition that I set up on the Downing Street site (and I don't expect it to do anything), but please read it and offer your criticism and comments, I'd appreciate your thoughts.
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Once again, the article doesn't mention that we tested with an iPhone, just a Windows Mobile device. We were told by O2 that the iPhone would be exactly the same.
And yes, they have claimed web and email access for PAYG, non-iPhone users. Read the article.
The article doesn't mention about iPhones. That's just what O2 said; it'll have the same problem with email on PAYG. It still doesn't work on non-iPhones like I said.
I've updated the article as you've been so vocal on this matter.
It doesn't work on a non-iPhone on Pay As You Go. I have a recording of O2's Customer Service stating it won't work because of the APN it uses.
The article only mentions the iPhone because that's what O2 told us - it'll have the same problems as any other non-contract users.
If you can show me how to get email working on Pay As You Go, (and not on the iPhone) then I'd very much appreciate it.
Wait? Did you say GMAIL? Yeah, O2 confirms that works, but OTHER MAIL SERVERS ARE BLOCKED!
It doesn't work on non-iPhone phones, i can't confirm or deny that it works on iPhones - but isn't it a bit unfair to treat customers differently based on their handset?
Also, have you tried this with non-O2 mail servers? With IMAP? I'd love to know how you can get this to work on 'normal' handsets, because O2 say its a 'technical limitation'.
So if you'd sent a picture message to a friend and it appeared in Google's listings, with your phone number and the text you wrote - you wouldn't care?
This isn't about the children, its about a mobile phone operator having an insecure website.
Sure, 02 should have taken steps to avoid being indexed, but they aren't responsible for leaking the photos.
Their site is not suitabled secured, usually it would require a mobile number and pin code but this 16-digit code circumnavigates this requirement.
From TFA, apparently these are also being picked up by Google's Toolbar.
Surely if you'd MMS'd a friend a picture message, and they'd changed to a phone without MMS without you knowing - your picture will most likely be available on O2's website. Is this right? Should it be more secured? Or don't you care about who see's your 'private' conversations?
MMS can't be sent directly to email on O2, and as far as I know, not at ALL in the UK.
Even so, eMail doesn't work on Pay as you Go on O2.
So yeah, it does affect customers. Anyone who sends an MMS to a non-MMS capable phone (presumably if the phone can't do MMS, it probably can't do eMail either), the MMS is posted to O2's website, and that's where the problem starts.
Did you bother to read the article?
At least it might get O2's attention! All the action they've taken so far is deleting forum posts from their own forums and ignoring any email or telephone complaints.
Are you really from the O2 Team? If so, I've got a few words for you...
O2 Customer Forums - Luckily I posted this after everyone went home, so they didn't get to delete my post or account this time.
Don't worry - the iPhone won't even support eMail in the UK on O2 PAYG.
I think you'll find that there's still the same number as yesterday - I'm the DugUK as mentioned in the InformationWeek article.
I posted the comment in the O2 Forums, and they not only deleted my comments, they disabled my account too! I'm glad people are finally beginning to realise this is a problem and can't just be hidden up.
For my next trick, I'd like everyone to also know that EMAIL DOES NOT WORK ON PAY AS YOU GO on O2! They've blocked port access.
Thanks!
Probably, O2 have already disabled access to email for non-contract users.
/. the other day but hasn't been accepted; being as anyone on O2 is probably reading this article, I'll post it here.
"It's been reported in a number of places that UK Mobile Phone company, O2 are blocking some internet ports for some customers.
I tried to post this on
It appears that although Contract customers on the mobile network are fully able to access email and SSH via their mobile phone, yet customers subscribed through 'Pay as you Go' (PAYG; a non-subscription service, paid up in front as credit), are only given WAP access, which only provides very basic HTTP access.
Essentially this means that anyone with a pay-in-front service agreement won't be able to access their email or use anything apart from basic HTTP, even though O2 are now selling and advertising the new Apple iPhone on PAYG and stating it will support "all the same features as contract customers".
It's been reported that on contacting O2, they state its a technical problem and one that can't be resolved, yet it's also been mentioned that their own O2 POP3 mail service does work, but access to any other service doesn't.
Are O2 right to restrict access for customers not on a fixed contract? Does your mobile phone company do the same thing? And are O2 advertising unfairly?"
More information here.
oh man, i tried reading that article and got bored and did something else.
actually, and honestly, i did - and i ended up posting this. hmph... maybe the writer of your linked article has got a point.
*annoyed*
hint: if you don't get it, read his linked article(Yes yes, I know, everyone wants their cake and wants to it too.)
Of course I want my cake and want it too.Its when you eat your cake and still want it you've got problems.
If it was just bad FF .js/HTML then changing the user agent would fix the problem, and it don't.
Um, not if IE is using non-standard js, that isn't supported in Firefox. I think that's kinda the problem. Hotmail's code for Firefox doesn't work because MS broke it, and the IE js isn't compliant.look carefully, its in the center of the page; if the site doesn't load it redirects back to the old version with a message, in a yellow box on the main hotmail page. its easy to miss - i did too.
If its an @msn.com address, particually with Hotmail, try and the associated bug report. I think it might be related.
Actually, I think you'll find Hotmail has more of a habit of losing non-spam messages.
Hotmail has another weird bug with firefox - some accounts (mostly @msn.com) have to log in twice. Here's a long forum post about it, here's a pretty bug report, and here's an easy fix.
Why the fuck are you using hotmail if you don't use Windows?
Seriously, what possesses some people to ask these stupid questions...
If you're intelligent enough to not use Windows, surely you'll avoid using Hotmail too?
And its not that big a problem, I guess the 'old' hotmail site still works yeah?
FYI, the Danish Blue is mentioned in Monty Pythons 'Cheese Shop' sketch.
:)
Intentional or pure fluke? Python did do a lot I guess
Where's the other 24 megapixels?
caveat: yes, i know. don't start. it was a joke. don't link to wikipedia to explain, besides; xkcd explained it better.
I am in the UK, thanks very much for your reply.
There's a lot of information at http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/departments/?locator=380 with an FAQ for others interested in this.
I've requested an information pack - thanks very much for your advice!
Agreed, I've tried to look into seeing if my body could be worth something after I'm dead (I doubt it), but is there some system for this? Some extreme donor card perhaps?
Anyone know how you might get into this - as stock, not an employee...
DugUK
Isn't it kind of the point that a net neutral ISP would not be able to watch data over their network and prevent piracy*?
It's kinda like saying if we let the Royal Mail read ever letter, we might catch a few criminals. If we don't, we'll have to catch them in some other more complicated and convoluted way.
Seriously, if its a criminal matter, I've not got too much of a problem with the GOVERNMENT watching our downloading. There's a possible reason behind it. Plus (usually) it'd go to a criminal court. If its just any company checking to see if I've just listening to 30 seconds of some other artists music, is it really their right to be able to use my own ISP against me without any proof?
* (read as: be forced to sue their customers on behalf on a organisation that doesn't stand for its members)
I know a lot of you won't agree with this petition that I set up on the Downing Street site (and I don't expect it to do anything), but please read it and offer your criticism and comments, I'd appreciate your thoughts.