I understand the advantages that consoles present, but computers do so much more than gaming and so many more people will always own computers then consoles. Computers have become a necessity in life for many people, consoles have not.
Let's get this straight, consoles ARE computers, Von Neumann machines like any other. "dedicated" devices in the past, yes, but what happens when consoles become more versatile and can "do so much more than gaming"...like now for instance:
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I'm running a Linux desktop on my PS3. I can game, or do those other things you are thinking of on it.
How old are you exactly? I'm not sure how anyone, who was old enough to know better, could claim that the state of PC video gaming was better in the 90's.
It wasn't, but it was in the mid 80's. I can remember, just shortly after the console crash of 83, that if you wanted to game, you did it on a Commodore 64. It was the cheapest entry into quality electronic gaming and most people that had them used them as consoles in the same way they had done their 2600's Course, the NES put an end to that in 1986, unless you did the hardcore hex based wargames, flight sims or those Gold box D&D games that the NES couldn't handle. In that case, when the NES killed the C64, those guys jumped to DOS machines, which cost a heck of a lot more money than the C64 did.
Your Amiga was originally designed to be one of those "silly little machines", but was turned into a computer after Commodore bought them. Your Amiga also looked great because it was connected to a monitor while the consoles of those days were limited by the TV display technology of the time, no compoenent or HDMI then. If TV's had been more capable I'd bet that the consoles of the time would have been designed with that in mind.
Show me a console game that can stand toe-to-toe with Deus Ex
I know, Deus Ex on the PS2! Just pointing out that while in the past, there were greater differences between console and PC games, that's become less of the case over time, and that there's a trend for multi-platform releases.
Properly-modded Oblivion (sorry console players, no much-needed community fixes and massive content packs for you!)?
Could you explain those community fixes to me, because I've heard PC players of Oblivion claiming that the game is unplayable unmodded. Now I understand as a player of PS3 version I don't get some of those interesting sounding mods you guys have but the game is quite enjoyable without them and has plenty of "stuff" to keep me occupied for a loooong time. (I'd like to actually finish the game sometime within my own lifetime.)
Which brings up a point I've wanted to make for some time. I think sometimes PC gamers desire mods because simply put, PC dev houses output speed is on the slow side. If you guys got sequels to games as fast as we do, you might not desire mods so much. While on our side if Zipper Interactive did a SOCOM game only once every 5 years or so there would be a demand for support of map packs and mods.
There's a whole world of games on the PC that are fucking awesome--often great artistic achievements in storytelling and design, even--that simply don't work on consoles. Frankly, I've only rarely seen console games that even seem to be trying to be as great in the same way as the PC games I listed. I think that generally when a console game is great, it's due to some sort of haiku-like simplicity and good/innovative artistic direction, while PC games tend more toward a games-as-literature direction, if that makes any sense.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this, in fact there's a whole bunch of PC gamers who complain about how the massive amounts of story in some console games gets in the way of gameplay. That may depend on genre though. As for games I consider artistic achievements in storytelling and design, lets see: Primal, Beyond Good & Evil, ICO, Dark Cloud 2, There's also a difference between "don't work" and "can't work" I
I think that the motivations that drive people to game primarily on one platform or the other are fundamentally different.
The machine we know as the Commodore 64 was originally designed to be a console, and "Ultimax" mode is there because of that. The differences in games between consoles and PC's in those days was due to the control differences and the limitations of ROM storage, though it was possible to do complex games like Flight Simulator on "hybrid consoles" like the Atari XEGS. I also wouldn't consider Home Computer gaming to be at the forefront of gaming. Maybe from 83 to 86, but the NES and SNES killed the true home computer market (meaning computers designed for home use, not office machines repurposed to play games). DOOM caused another resurgence in 93, but the PSone put an end to that in 95.
It is not as "easy" as an Xbox360 or Playstation 3, and not as portable as many of the handhelds, but if you want one machine for gaming, Windows is a great way to go, especially if it is already going to be setup for you to work perfectly. It is also cool that you can write letters and such, print them or email them, and surf the Internet with ease and grace. If that is what you want out of your computer, and/or you have the money to support it as a hobby / habit, Windows is the better way to go
Yes, but you can "write letters and such, print them or email them and surf the internet with ease and grace" on a PS3 with Linux. You don't "need" Windows to do that.
I literally cannot buy a non-x86 desktop or laptop even if I paid $5000.
Sure you can, you can buy PPC desktops at Wal-Mart and K-Mart of all places, for the low low price of $399. Yes, they're PS3's, but they ARE fully capable of running Linux desktop applications.
As for laptops aren't there cheapo MIPS netbooks with Linux installed sold at various geeky tech websites?
Hey! Trans folk run Linux. Linux and transfolk go together like peanut butter and jelly or Slashdot and "This is the year of the Linux desktop" jokes. I'm only partly joking, do/ctcp version in transgender oriented IRC channels sometime. And at least one transgender oriented message board has a section devoted to Linux. Transgendered folks are also mentioned a few times in the book "The Joy of Linux"
I wouldn't call "Star Trek" a man thing, considering all those Star Trek novels written by women, (and even in the early days of post-cancellation Star Trek fandom there were a heck of a lot of women writing Star Trek fiction) And guess who writes all that Kirk/Spock slash fiction.
I've seen quite a few stiletto wearing people who were born male. Most of them don't exactly identify as your "average guy" and most of them try to wear their stiletto's with panache and style. Doesn't mean they're always successful but effort matters. The scariest thing I ever saw was someone wearing black hosiery with white shoes. Ugh.
As a femmy MTF transgendered person, I have to say that I love Hello Kitty, in an ironic way. So if Dell did an ad a la:
"The ultimate merger of power and cuteness, Quad Core CPU, 4GB of RAM, 2TB Hard drive and it's a fully licensed and badged Hello Kitty product" I'd swoon.
A Hello Kitty netbook with Linux pre-installed would be good too especially if the window manager had a Hello Kitty theme included. That would so kick ass. It should have some "Tux" branding too so that everyone knows the Hello Kitty netbook runs Linux.
apparently I had been switched to beta view somehow, which I had intentionally not turned on in the past. I still had the classic discussion system enabled though.
Frankly I consider the Beta view to be crap, at least in the manner it's presented and functioning at the present time.
The PS3 is accounted for. Rather than look at the trend, if you click on the April, 2009 link in the linked article, it breaks it down by device (the PS is at 0.05%):
That's probably the percentage detected using the PS3's GameOS built in browser, a sucky Netfront, a la: "Mozilla/5.0 (PLAYSTATION 3; 1.00)" While someone running Linux on their PS3 might be detected as follows:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042900 CentOS/3.0.10-1 Firefox/3.0.10
Really, the PSP re-defines what that means. In the old days, portable games had to be heavily stripped down, fewer (and smaller) levels, low quality music, 2D instead of 3D. That isn't the case any more. And with the PSP and DS's ability to go into sleep mode, you don't have to worry about finding a save point. So that "Portable games need to be short and have tiny levels" mindset can go the way fo the dodo.
Matroska is Free, sure, but only pirates ripping HD video, anime fansubbers (pirates lite), and those who are really into the "Free as in Libre" software movement use it. You know as well as I do about all that HD video ripped ino MKV on the torrent sites.
In the "real-world" of the average consumer, MPEG4 containers are more practical, because they can use them on their actual consumer level widely available hardware.
What the heck is AAC 5? I've never heard of such a thing and the AAC wikipedia page doesn't mention it. Let me guess, it's something the warez scene came up with so they can keep on complaining that their bittorrented Naruto fansubs won't play on the AppleTV/Xbox 360/PS3.
If pirates used MP4 containers, they couldn't complain anymore. IMHO they don't want their stuff to work on the commercial boxes, thay way they can proclaim how superior their setupfoo is.
Why are you using Matroska when the MPEG4 containers are more widely supported by consumer devices? It's your choice to use the pirates format of choice when you could just use MPEG4.
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Let's get this straight, consoles ARE computers, Von Neumann machines like any other. "dedicated" devices in the past, yes, but what happens when consoles become more versatile and can "do so much more than gaming"...like now for instance:
I'm running a Linux desktop on my PS3. I can game, or do those other things you are thinking of on it.
It wasn't, but it was in the mid 80's. I can remember, just shortly after the console crash of 83, that if you wanted to game, you did it on a Commodore 64. It was the cheapest entry into quality electronic gaming and most people that had them used them as consoles in the same way they had done their 2600's Course, the NES put an end to that in 1986, unless you did the hardcore hex based wargames, flight sims or those Gold box D&D games that the NES couldn't handle. In that case, when the NES killed the C64, those guys jumped to DOS machines, which cost a heck of a lot more money than the C64 did.
Your Amiga was originally designed to be one of those "silly little machines", but was turned into a computer after Commodore bought them. Your Amiga also looked great because it was connected to a monitor while the consoles of those days were limited by the TV display technology of the time, no compoenent or HDMI then. If TV's had been more capable I'd bet that the consoles of the time would have been designed with that in mind.
I know, Deus Ex on the PS2! Just pointing out that while in the past, there were greater differences between console and PC games, that's become less of the case over time, and that there's a trend for multi-platform releases.
Could you explain those community fixes to me, because I've heard PC players of Oblivion claiming that the game is unplayable unmodded. Now I understand as a player of PS3 version I don't get some of those interesting sounding mods you guys have but the game is quite enjoyable without them and has plenty of "stuff" to keep me occupied for a loooong time. (I'd like to actually finish the game sometime within my own lifetime.)
Which brings up a point I've wanted to make for some time. I think sometimes PC gamers desire mods because simply put, PC dev houses output speed is on the slow side. If you guys got sequels to games as fast as we do, you might not desire mods so much. While on our side if Zipper Interactive did a SOCOM game only once every 5 years or so there would be a demand for support of map packs and mods.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this, in fact there's a whole bunch of PC gamers who complain about how the massive amounts of story in some console games gets in the way of gameplay. That may depend on genre though. As for games I consider artistic achievements in storytelling and design, lets see: Primal, Beyond Good & Evil, ICO, Dark Cloud 2, There's also a difference between "don't work" and "can't work"
I
Hmmm, that makes sense.
The machine we know as the Commodore 64 was originally designed to be a console, and "Ultimax" mode is there because of that. The differences in games between consoles and PC's in those days was due to the control differences and the limitations of ROM storage, though it was possible to do complex games like Flight Simulator on "hybrid consoles" like the Atari XEGS. I also wouldn't consider Home Computer gaming to be at the forefront of gaming. Maybe from 83 to 86, but the NES and SNES killed the true home computer market (meaning computers designed for home use, not office machines repurposed to play games). DOOM caused another resurgence in 93, but the PSone put an end to that in 95.
Yes, but you can "write letters and such, print them or email them and surf the internet with ease and grace" on a PS3 with Linux. You don't "need" Windows to do that.
Sure you can, you can buy PPC desktops at Wal-Mart and K-Mart of all places, for the low low price of $399. Yes, they're PS3's, but they ARE fully capable of running Linux desktop applications.
As for laptops aren't there cheapo MIPS netbooks with Linux installed sold at various geeky tech websites?
Hey! Trans folk run Linux. Linux and transfolk go together like peanut butter and jelly or Slashdot and "This is the year of the Linux desktop" jokes. I'm only partly joking, do /ctcp version in transgender oriented IRC channels sometime. And at least one transgender oriented message board has a section devoted to Linux. Transgendered folks are also mentioned a few times in the book "The Joy of Linux"
I wouldn't call "Star Trek" a man thing, considering all those Star Trek novels written by women, (and even in the early days of post-cancellation Star Trek fandom there were a heck of a lot of women writing Star Trek fiction) And guess who writes all that Kirk/Spock slash fiction.
Names change connotations over the years, Della isn't a "Gertrude" name anymore, you can thank names like "Bella" and the store "Delia's" for that.
Well, the Oprah magazine discusses weight issues because Oprah herself has them and she decides the content.
I've seen quite a few stiletto wearing people who were born male. Most of them don't exactly identify as your "average guy" and most of them try to wear their stiletto's with panache and style. Doesn't mean they're always successful but effort matters. The scariest thing I ever saw was someone wearing black hosiery with white shoes. Ugh.
As a femmy MTF transgendered person, I have to say that I love Hello Kitty, in an ironic way. So if Dell did an ad a la:
"The ultimate merger of power and cuteness, Quad Core CPU, 4GB of RAM, 2TB Hard drive and it's a fully licensed and badged Hello Kitty product" I'd swoon.
A Hello Kitty netbook with Linux pre-installed would be good too especially if the window manager had a Hello Kitty theme included. That would so kick ass. It should have some "Tux" branding too so that everyone knows the Hello Kitty netbook runs Linux.
apparently I had been switched to beta view somehow, which I had intentionally not turned on in the past. I still had the classic discussion system enabled though.
Frankly I consider the Beta view to be crap, at least in the manner it's presented and functioning at the present time.
MIPS too, I've personally ran it on a PS2 and PS3.
So you don't see it either? In fact my Slashdot bookmark took me to an RSS like page, rather than what I think of as the "main page"
I want the old layout back without ajaxy or javascripty nonsense. I'm tempted to read and post in Dillo or links.
That's probably the percentage detected using the PS3's GameOS built in browser, a sucky Netfront, a la: "Mozilla/5.0 (PLAYSTATION 3; 1.00)" While someone running Linux on their PS3 might be detected as follows:
Some...not as many as I hoped, but there sure seems to be a lot of people installing Linux on their PS3's for emulation use.
Define portable gaming.
Really, the PSP re-defines what that means. In the old days, portable games had to be heavily stripped down, fewer (and smaller) levels, low quality music, 2D instead of 3D. That isn't the case any more. And with the PSP and DS's ability to go into sleep mode, you don't have to worry about finding a save point. So that "Portable games need to be short and have tiny levels" mindset can go the way fo the dodo.
Falcon's/Vulture's eye doesn't use OpenGL, so they'll run on anything, even a PS2. But the noegnud interface does use OpenGL.
Vulture's makes Nethack "feel" different and the isometric perspective is annoying to me.
Ahh I see that's a 5.1 not an l
Doesn't AVCHD support surround sound? I think the movie trailers on Apple's site are also in surround sound.
Matroska is Free, sure, but only pirates ripping HD video, anime fansubbers (pirates lite), and those who are really into the "Free as in Libre" software movement use it. You know as well as I do about all that HD video ripped ino MKV on the torrent sites.
In the "real-world" of the average consumer, MPEG4 containers are more practical, because they can use them on their actual consumer level widely available hardware.
What the heck is AAC 5? I've never heard of such a thing and the AAC wikipedia page doesn't mention it. Let me guess, it's something the warez scene came up with so they can keep on complaining that their bittorrented Naruto fansubs won't play on the AppleTV/Xbox 360/PS3.
If pirates used MP4 containers, they couldn't complain anymore. IMHO they don't want their stuff to work on the commercial boxes, thay way they can proclaim how superior their setupfoo is.
Why are you using Matroska when the MPEG4 containers are more widely supported by consumer devices? It's your choice to use the pirates format of choice when you could just use MPEG4.
Why are people putting mp4 vide + AAC audio in an AVI or mkv container rather than an MPEG4 container?