I am responding to my own post rather than any of the individual replies to serve brevity. I am glad that some of you recognize that I saw part of the puzzle and an actual point of view thanks. This post is simply to state that yes, I seem to have missed a portion of the understanding...Doh! My thought was that people with dual homed systems could eventually be running an underground sort of routing service. Now I am starting to see that this is more than broken routing.
If not, does the future hold a scenario in which the Internet is split into several separate networks, only to be connected at the whims of large corporations?
A quote about censorship. Come on, we all know it. The internet will see that as damage and route around it. The very fact that you mention that this affects single homed computers on one or the other network means that even at the onset of this "partitioning" it is ineffective.
Interesting that you omit the name of this company. Sounds more like you have some deep seated resentment towards the world (or people that don't like you) rather than any valid criticism here.
I started to agree until I reread the article. One little sentence stands out (not quite a quote here, but close) " I was getting feedback that I wasn't growing fast enough, I was barely in the middle of the pack" I have to wonder if it was an economic neccessity or if this kids pompous primadonna attitude wasn't bringing down the other guys. Perhaps management was 'being nice' telling him that it was a downturn. Personally, I think it is more of a service to tell them they are fired and re-evaluate the 'tude dude. I agree with the poster of the above comment... grow up.
So instead of saying it is or isn't a province of China, you just call it West Hawaii.
When I read the parent post my first thought was...look and see if Iraq is listed as a state of the US, but calling Taiwan West Hawaii is far more funny.
I have trouble telling if you are disputing something I said or not...perhaps it is too early. I was not implying that people widely used the internet...of course you are right they did actually. My point was more that it was a segment of society that used the internet (and yes the web specifically) but the vast majority at the time did not use it. Now there is no significant segment of businesses that do not use electronic documents. To me this is like saying the BMW Z3 is to the auto industry what the Saturn Rocket was to the moon race...No it's not and nor are Open Office Document Standards to any race. They are "just another car on the lot" HTML basically heralded the age of a service few in mainstream society had heard of.
I stand by the assertion that his clue card is revoked.
He compared the impact that OpenDocument will have on regular documents to kick-off of the web with selection of HTML as file format.
Then he has to give up his clue card. Prior to HTML hundreds of people used "the web". Currently millions of people create office docs...this is just another page in the format wars.
And when they're not impressed with your rules they don't just unplug a PC and plug the laptop in there instead?
That has yet to happen, but that is an issue addressed by policy. Policy and technology should go hand in hand. Also, as a lean company all PCs tend to be in use. But yes, you expose a potential flaw. The point though is that with 40 laptops walking in and out, if one person (or 2 or 3) is doing that I am still much better protected than if I did not. You seem to imply that if there is a way to get around security you should simply not have any.
thus negating the hundreds of thousands of dollars of security infrastructure
They didn't negate it. The stateful firewall still stopped traffic at it's border etc... What they did was expose the lack of hours spent planning the security. here is what I do and you are free to do it, improve it or ignore it (that makes it free). In my company every network jack that does not have a direct attached device on it is plugged into a bank of switches that are seperated from my network by a pixfirewall. The firewall has rules that allow basis e-mail, web and specific application data to go accross. Most traffic is denied. If anyone plugs a laptop in they are able to do those things but are unable to do Windows file share, domain login etc... If they need to use those I have to be given control of the box and it does not leave the building.
using any version of Windows is by far the single largest security risk
I disagree, complacency is the biggest risk of all. Complacency is the reason Windows is designed like it is (redmond could care less to fix it). Complacency is the reason most Windows users don't patch their boxes (it runs fine). Finally, complacency is the reason that Linux users like yourself, who make that assumption will one day have their asses handed to them by a nasty worm.
FYI, I don't disagree that Windows is a bad idea, I just disagree with thinking that using Linux is "the" answer to security issues.
Non-guilty defendants have a change of arguing a couple of years off their sentence.
Actually, the hope is that non guilty defendants go free... the preference is to punish the guilty. Now, I assume you meant defendants who plea non-guilty which is different. Also, in most cases defendants who plea guilty usually do so because there is an "offer on the table". IE... the prosecutor tells them you can go to jail for up to 8 years, but if you plea guilty I will exercise my right to suggest a sentence and I will suggest 2 years. But yes, if you plea guilty you lose the opportunity to fight the system.
What the hell is a Neeon? A common complaint on "front page quality" articles is the lack of basic information. News for Nerds implies some sort of journalism, strive for some sort of journalistic standards.
- good thing my wife didn't see that onebr>
Um... Did anyone see it? What about the others? If you find that frequently bats get into your house and no one else sees them, that may be indicative of some "other" type of problem. Good luck with that!!!
But I have a friend with a Zaurus, and this should be a huge consideration for him considering he installed a wireless router in his apartment just to be able to use his Zaurus from the bathroom
More importantly, there are people that he is not friends with who have wireless PDAs right outside his window!! Ok that's tinfoil hat, but really the point is not to secure PDAs but to protect your network from PDAs IMO
When did the Tesla mailing list decide that inductance should be specified in farads instead of henries? I'm pretty sure Nicola would not approve...
Actually, that was what made me think it was so funny. I googled for impedance of the earth, and came up with a tesla list post that stated the "fact" and I thought....Cool!
How many thousands of hotspots would it take?
The impedance of the Earth (according to the Tesla mailing list, is 400uf. All google has to do is design, patent and build the first 802.400uf (oh yeah, write the 802.400uf standard) transmitter and connect it to the Earth... oh and figure out where one would ground that to. Anyway, google will surely turn the Earth into a giant WiFi hotspot. Then in Q2 2006 they will wipe out disease. Finally, in August 2007 googlenet becomes self aware...
The part where you said "they can't". As someone who does not post anonymously, I often have mod points. You always have a choice wether to mod or participate. Except when you have already started modding, but you should have an idea if you want to mod or participate prior to modding. If moderating is taken seriously it works well. However, if people use it for personal belief screening it is simply a hassle. They can post if they want read the FAQ thoroughly and you will notice that. They can't moderate AND post in the same topic.
How do these companies think they will add the OSS community?
Maybe they don't think they will add to it. Maybe they will write an e-mail when they find a bug (if you think that is not valuable, ask a developer). Maybe they will pay an OSS vendor for a software support contract.
How do they think they will be supported? (Yes, lame question, I know how OSS support model works, but still, a company manager thinks in terms of support contracts)
In addition to software contracts, which I already mentioned I add these points. First, if you are not a technology company the "company manager" should be thinking things like "I hope my MIS director is doing the right things to support my key business" if he finds himself delving into the decisions of IT, he either has a bad staff or he has lost his focus. That being said, the MIS directors, senior admins etc... of today once were (in many cases) the lowly Sys admin (1 out of 20) in the company and though they liked Linux, might never have expected it to get corporate support. Now they find themselves in senior positions and are comfortable with support for OSS and leary of virus prone systems. I think Linux and other OSS is maturing in the market due to corporate maturation of many early adopters (who may have been young and low on the pole). This is only an opinion.
Due to/. restrictions mods can't communicate in a discussion they are moderating unless they log on as an AC on a different computer.
Exactly, so if they feel the need to dispute something they should post a rebuttal instead of modding. If I mod something as flamebait, other people may not read it. If I reply with positive Karma (which most mods have) my opinion is heard as a contrasting viewpoint.
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you are trying to find problems not produce useless statistics.
Linus! Is that you?
I am responding to my own post rather than any of the individual replies to serve brevity. I am glad that some of you recognize that I saw part of the puzzle and an actual point of view thanks. This post is simply to state that yes, I seem to have missed a portion of the understanding...Doh! My thought was that people with dual homed systems could eventually be running an underground sort of routing service. Now I am starting to see that this is more than broken routing.
If not, does the future hold a scenario in which the Internet is split into several separate networks, only to be connected at the whims of large corporations?
A quote about censorship. Come on, we all know it. The internet will see that as damage and route around it. The very fact that you mention that this affects single homed computers on one or the other network means that even at the onset of this "partitioning" it is ineffective.
Interesting that you omit the name of this company. Sounds more like you have some deep seated resentment towards the world (or people that don't like you) rather than any valid criticism here.
I started to agree until I reread the article. One little sentence stands out (not quite a quote here, but close) " I was getting feedback that I wasn't growing fast enough, I was barely in the middle of the pack" I have to wonder if it was an economic neccessity or if this kids pompous primadonna attitude wasn't bringing down the other guys. Perhaps management was 'being nice' telling him that it was a downturn. Personally, I think it is more of a service to tell them they are fired and re-evaluate the 'tude dude. I agree with the poster of the above comment... grow up.
.NET Ninjas
I don't think that I've bumped into any of those, are they like Tae Kwon Do-Dos?
Which ultimately will free the sleeping aliens from the volcano. Yes, good book.
So instead of saying it is or isn't a province of China, you just call it West Hawaii.
When I read the parent post my first thought was...look and see if Iraq is listed as a state of the US, but calling Taiwan West Hawaii is far more funny.
I have trouble telling if you are disputing something I said or not...perhaps it is too early. I was not implying that people widely used the internet...of course you are right they did actually. My point was more that it was a segment of society that used the internet (and yes the web specifically) but the vast majority at the time did not use it. Now there is no significant segment of businesses that do not use electronic documents. To me this is like saying the BMW Z3 is to the auto industry what the Saturn Rocket was to the moon race...No it's not and nor are Open Office Document Standards to any race. They are "just another car on the lot" HTML basically heralded the age of a service few in mainstream society had heard of.
I stand by the assertion that his clue card is revoked.
He compared the impact that OpenDocument will have on regular documents to kick-off of the web with selection of HTML as file format.
Then he has to give up his clue card. Prior to HTML hundreds of people used "the web". Currently millions of people create office docs...this is just another page in the format wars.
And when they're not impressed with your rules they don't just unplug a PC and plug the laptop in there instead?
That has yet to happen, but that is an issue addressed by policy. Policy and technology should go hand in hand. Also, as a lean company all PCs tend to be in use. But yes, you expose a potential flaw. The point though is that with 40 laptops walking in and out, if one person (or 2 or 3) is doing that I am still much better protected than if I did not. You seem to imply that if there is a way to get around security you should simply not have any.
thus negating the hundreds of thousands of dollars of security infrastructure
They didn't negate it. The stateful firewall still stopped traffic at it's border etc... What they did was expose the lack of hours spent planning the security. here is what I do and you are free to do it, improve it or ignore it (that makes it free). In my company every network jack that does not have a direct attached device on it is plugged into a bank of switches that are seperated from my network by a pixfirewall. The firewall has rules that allow basis e-mail, web and specific application data to go accross. Most traffic is denied. If anyone plugs a laptop in they are able to do those things but are unable to do Windows file share, domain login etc... If they need to use those I have to be given control of the box and it does not leave the building.
using any version of Windows is by far the single largest security risk
I disagree, complacency is the biggest risk of all. Complacency is the reason Windows is designed like it is (redmond could care less to fix it). Complacency is the reason most Windows users don't patch their boxes (it runs fine). Finally, complacency is the reason that Linux users like yourself, who make that assumption will one day have their asses handed to them by a nasty worm.
FYI, I don't disagree that Windows is a bad idea, I just disagree with thinking that using Linux is "the" answer to security issues.
Non-guilty defendants have a change of arguing a couple of years off their sentence.
Actually, the hope is that non guilty defendants go free... the preference is to punish the guilty. Now, I assume you meant defendants who plea non-guilty which is different. Also, in most cases defendants who plea guilty usually do so because there is an "offer on the table". IE... the prosecutor tells them you can go to jail for up to 8 years, but if you plea guilty I will exercise my right to suggest a sentence and I will suggest 2 years. But yes, if you plea guilty you lose the opportunity to fight the system.
What the hell is a Neeon? A common complaint on "front page quality" articles is the lack of basic information. News for Nerds implies some sort of journalism, strive for some sort of journalistic standards.
- good thing my wife didn't see that onebr>
Um... Did anyone see it? What about the others? If you find that frequently bats get into your house and no one else sees them, that may be indicative of some "other" type of problem. Good luck with that!!!
But I have a friend with a Zaurus, and this should be a huge consideration for him considering he installed a wireless router in his apartment just to be able to use his Zaurus from the bathroom
More importantly, there are people that he is not friends with who have wireless PDAs right outside his window!! Ok that's tinfoil hat, but really the point is not to secure PDAs but to protect your network from PDAs IMO
is bruce schneider really the name of a japanese cop?
Hmm...
Your' Kung Fu is pretty good....
They call me Bruce.
The Flat Earth Society, I can not wait to join the Spiral Milky Way Society.
sarcasm
When did the Tesla mailing list decide that inductance should be specified in farads instead of henries? I'm pretty sure Nicola would not approve...
Actually, that was what made me think it was so funny. I googled for impedance of the earth, and came up with a tesla list post that stated the "fact" and I thought....Cool!
How many thousands of hotspots would it take? The impedance of the Earth (according to the Tesla mailing list, is 400uf. All google has to do is design, patent and build the first 802.400uf (oh yeah, write the 802.400uf standard) transmitter and connect it to the Earth ... oh and figure out where one would ground that to. Anyway, google will surely turn the Earth into a giant WiFi hotspot. Then in Q2 2006 they will wipe out disease. Finally, in August 2007 googlenet becomes self aware...
6. correct orbital parameters (Same as 3)
7. Burn to descend to surface
You forgot:
8. ????
9. Profit!
It is hard to imagine anything more repugnant than the 'trans-human' cyborg 'life' you are describing here.
Imagination is futile....
What part of "they can't" didn't get through?
The part where you said "they can't". As someone who does not post anonymously, I often have mod points. You always have a choice wether to mod or participate. Except when you have already started modding, but you should have an idea if you want to mod or participate prior to modding. If moderating is taken seriously it works well. However, if people use it for personal belief screening it is simply a hassle. They can post if they want read the FAQ thoroughly and you will notice that. They can't moderate AND post in the same topic.
How do these companies think they will add the OSS community?
Maybe they don't think they will add to it. Maybe they will write an e-mail when they find a bug (if you think that is not valuable, ask a developer). Maybe they will pay an OSS vendor for a software support contract.
How do they think they will be supported? (Yes, lame question, I know how OSS support model works, but still, a company manager thinks in terms of support contracts)
In addition to software contracts, which I already mentioned I add these points. First, if you are not a technology company the "company manager" should be thinking things like "I hope my MIS director is doing the right things to support my key business" if he finds himself delving into the decisions of IT, he either has a bad staff or he has lost his focus. That being said, the MIS directors, senior admins etc... of today once were (in many cases) the lowly Sys admin (1 out of 20) in the company and though they liked Linux, might never have expected it to get corporate support. Now they find themselves in senior positions and are comfortable with support for OSS and leary of virus prone systems. I think Linux and other OSS is maturing in the market due to corporate maturation of many early adopters (who may have been young and low on the pole). This is only an opinion.
Due to /. restrictions mods can't communicate in a discussion they are moderating unless they log on as an AC on a different computer.
Exactly, so if they feel the need to dispute something they should post a rebuttal instead of modding. If I mod something as flamebait, other people may not read it. If I reply with positive Karma (which most mods have) my opinion is heard as a contrasting viewpoint.