Linus can ASK the world to do something, but if they don't like the way he's thinking, they won't do it. Linus controls the world as long as the world likes the orders. So in a sense he's just a way to focus the desires of the majority of developers.
You have never read the kernel development mailing list, have you? Anyone who seriously writes patches has at one point or another probably hated Linus. His constructive critiscms range from the "It's crap" (which is not an all bad comment) to "I can't understand why you wrote that" (Bad!) Sometimes he says things like "That's a good point" I think that their are a couple thousand guys developing stuff for the Linux kernel who dream only of hearing Linus say "Oh, that's nice. We should use that." I assure you that their someone nearly everyday who likes not what Linus says.
It's a commonly repeated manta that you can't understand something until you have broken it. The BusinessWeek article suggests that frequently being able to apply this principle to Linux is what moves it forwards.
It is a sadly misunderstood mantra...Understanding will come from fixing it, not breaking it. For example, I recently tried installing Linux kernel 2.6 test 9. Many things broke, including my X-server (note to self, read the directions next time). I am not an X-Server guru not at all. I knew nothing about X when it broke. However, now that it is running - I have a little more understanding.
Apple ditches BSD subsystem - (or asks users to pay extra license fee for the privilege)
Me thinks not. Apple saying, oh were sorry little man we will add expensive licensing to our superior though low priced flagship. More likely Apple will say, wow IBM did a number on you and you are stupid enough to come to us....You will be made to suffer!
Also is nextstep a kernel? I thought Nextstep was a desktop alternative.
And Windows XP is compatible with Windows CE because it's a 'dose?
No, but perhaps 2000 and XP fit that sentence. CE is not compatible with anything because it is a calculator on steroids...no more like protein supplements, maybe just having worked out a bit.
IBM cited a Judge who ruled in a 2001 securities case that fraud allegations "should not be a pretext for the discovery of unknown wrongs". That Judge, sharp-eyed posters of Groklaw have spotted, is the same Hon. Dale A Kimball who will hear the Motion to Strike Affirmative Defenses, to which the filing is addressed.
Your honor, we have heard the courts say that "the fishing idea" is wrong and can not be done. What a brilliant point, excuse me...
Your honor (nice robe!) I had no idea you PERSONALLY said that. Absolutely amazing, poetic so Jeffersonian.
(turning to look at McBride, sticks tongue out and issues official IBM rasberry)
"OSDL has agreed to fund legal representation for Torvalds and any other employees of the lab who may become involved in the litigation...the OSDL is funded by a variety of corporations including (but not limitied to) IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Red Hat, Cisco, Computer Associates, Fujitsu, Hitachi, and Nokia. "
are created, waiting to be created, dormant, obsolete, or still running amok, they only run on one platform:
Funny thing, is. No matter how many people I hear say that (as a matter of fact the more people say that). The more logic says that when it happens it will DEVASTATE the community of leet wannabe linux dorks. The people who are serious networking types that use Linux already CAN AND DO take proactive measures to detect, minimize the possible damage. But I pity the penguin when someone writes a blast for Linux worm. Simply running Linux is only security through obscurity right now, grow up and treat every internet connection as a potential security breach. I am guessing that my XP workstation is more secure than your Linux box just because I take it seriously...you should too.
Corporations actually bough RHEL because they could use RH9 on their desktops and workstations for free.
Software licensing is only a small chunk of change in terms of a desktop roll out. Companies who selected RH because it's "free" like beer will be the Dot-Bombs of tomorrow. Choose what works, because it does and don't try to jimmy extra pennies out of your it budget....that saves you no money. I use RH ES on 2 of my servers and almost all my desktops are Win XP (except a couple of RH 9s which will be replaced with RH WS).
The compatibility that RHEL and RHL provided was the key for their business and now that's over.
Guess what, RH is compatible with Mandrake, Suse, Solaris (heck even Unixware) because it is a 'nix. If people abandon red hat because of compatibility issues, perhaps those people are better off as just 'doze users since they know no better.
RedHat shafted Caldera over the RPM utility that Caldera had paid them to do ($20K iirc) then ran off with it and grabbed market share instead of Caldera.
Darl, is that you. They won't give you your 699 either.
Great you said what I said. They are a business and going to make money. Duh! Why does everyone have a problem with that. So what if they take from Fedora, they are also giving back name recognition (yes Linux has its own I know) and web space as well as some development. If you insist that no one profits from Linux you also insist that it not be widespread. Reality, look at it some time.
Mr. Szulik, I am a desktop user of Red Hat, and your recent emphasis on Enterprise-level Linux leads me to ask if you know where I can get the best price on a copy of Windows XP?
I knew this question would show up quick. Let me sum up how this appears to me...Mr. Szulik, I am a laoyal Linux advocate and longtime user of Red Hat Software. I have downloaded the OS that you put together with your high paid developers (using your expensive bandwidth) ever since RH6.2. I can not understand why you are selling out and abandoning us....we got you where you are today.
Okay, so that may not be quite fair. However, I am guessing that the desktop was a financial loss for Red Hat. It was one that they cleverly supported, but a loss none the less. The fact that they supported it made a larger Linux base etc....and they benefited intangibly, but a board of directors will not tolerate intangible bennies only for long. A corporation is a math machine work plus money = more money that equation MUST be satisfied. Red Hat is going a natural route. When Linux is entrenched in many small-mid size corps then the desktop will be opened up. For now it is GENEROUS of Red Hat to support Fedora.
My PC (running Linux) translated the following quote 'We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better.' into this statement: "Not one person (whose opinion we valued) had a different opinion than us."
Right now, when you say "Linux" to a layperson, they don't know what the fuck you're talking about. A Live CD is a painless way for them to find out.
And right now if you say to the project manager in charge of planning desktop direction at a major corporation "Lay Person". He will say that they are not the principal in the decision making process. You target the IT departments and decision makers differently than you target Joe Average. Case in point AOL, every company has a large percentage of it's useless dipshits belonging to the ranks of AOL subscribers, yet many companies do not allow AOL on their PCs. Using your logic it would seem they would give their employees AOL accounts. LiveCDs in all the magazines we read etc... is a good way to be thought of JUST LIKE AOL. Which is a bad thing.
Thus the CPU can do their processing, given enough versatility.
That's a good point. Video cards, NICs etc... all with their own processors and RAM. This is out of control! I log for the days when downloading a file or viewing a graphic would actually tie up your machine.
they should invest the 250000 into their security team and fix the vulnerabilities instead of chasing after 13 year olds
This is clueless not "informative". For a multi billion dollar company like MS to drop 250K a head for virus writers is a token gesture to make press with their "security efforts". The fact is that they have put millions into securing 2003 (and somewhat 2000) versions of Windows, but that will never get the amount of press as a "bounty" will. 250K would not pay the security project managers yearly salary there, let alone make as big a difference as convincing people that they "are serious about security" If they catch one of those guys the publicity will be priceless.
George Bush hasn't added the Sun to the axis of evil.
They are still working on his speech. Several of his "crusaders" are helping him.
The sun has attacked our way of life, our commerce our very liberty six times. America will not tolerate a dictating solar body. We WILL bomb their villages.
One thing that had me worried is if this won't get up. Until I found Veritas Integrated Access Group Restore Application (VIAGRA) which will also increase your Group Integration Timed Holdover (GIRTH)
You will not see millions, maybe thousands but doubtfully so.
Sorry forgot to add. There are some people who could do this based on the amount they have contributed to the kernel. There is one who could shut them down...Linus owns the trademark on Linux (name). They can not call what they are distributing Linux if he says no, if they change the name on it then there license disregard is suddenly obvious even to lay folk.
think of how much you could get from somebody who is illegally distributing a complete server operating system. With the number of source files involved, you could stand to make $Millions!
This is not an interesting, informative etc... comment. If someone owns a track or two on an album they own it. There are not 1000s of owners. You do not own Linux, nor do I. You take them to small claims court to recover compensation on the two lines you contributed as a patch for serial.h etc... You will not see millions, maybe thousands but doubtfully so. Mainly SCOs investors will start to see that this is a bad idea.
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Linus can ASK the world to do something, but if they don't like the way he's thinking, they won't do it. Linus controls the world as long as the world likes the orders. So in a sense he's just a way to focus the desires of the majority of developers.
You have never read the kernel development mailing list, have you? Anyone who seriously writes patches has at one point or another probably hated Linus. His constructive critiscms range from the "It's crap" (which is not an all bad comment) to "I can't understand why you wrote that" (Bad!) Sometimes he says things like "That's a good point" I think that their are a couple thousand guys developing stuff for the Linux kernel who dream only of hearing Linus say "Oh, that's nice. We should use that." I assure you that their someone nearly everyday who likes not what Linus says.
It's a commonly repeated manta that you can't understand something until you have broken it. The BusinessWeek article suggests that frequently being able to apply this principle to Linux is what moves it forwards.
It is a sadly misunderstood mantra...Understanding will come from fixing it, not breaking it. For example, I recently tried installing Linux kernel 2.6 test 9. Many things broke, including my X-server (note to self, read the directions next time). I am not an X-Server guru not at all. I knew nothing about X when it broke. However, now that it is running - I have a little more understanding.
I'm sure that Linus has more friends than Bill Gates anyway.
RIGHT... Linus couldn't afford to pay nearly as many friends as Bill
Apple ditches BSD subsystem - (or asks users to pay extra license fee for the privilege)
Me thinks not. Apple saying, oh were sorry little man we will add expensive licensing to our superior though low priced flagship. More likely Apple will say, wow IBM did a number on you and you are stupid enough to come to us....You will be made to suffer!
Also is nextstep a kernel? I thought Nextstep was a desktop alternative.
And Windows XP is compatible with Windows CE because it's a 'dose?
No, but perhaps 2000 and XP fit that sentence. CE is not compatible with anything because it is a calculator on steroids...no more like protein supplements, maybe just having worked out a bit.
IBM cited a Judge who ruled in a 2001 securities case that fraud allegations "should not be a pretext for the discovery of unknown wrongs". That Judge, sharp-eyed posters of Groklaw have spotted, is the same Hon. Dale A Kimball who will hear the Motion to Strike Affirmative Defenses, to which the filing is addressed.
Your honor, we have heard the courts say that "the fishing idea" is wrong and can not be done. What a brilliant point, excuse me...
Your honor (nice robe!) I had no idea you PERSONALLY said that. Absolutely amazing, poetic so Jeffersonian.
(turning to look at McBride, sticks tongue out and issues official IBM rasberry)
Have they succeeded in subpoenoing (sp?)
He was allegedely served during Dinner on Wednessday.
"OSDL has agreed to fund legal representation for Torvalds and any other employees of the lab who may become involved in the litigation...the OSDL is funded by a variety of corporations including (but not limitied to) IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Red Hat, Cisco, Computer Associates, Fujitsu, Hitachi, and Nokia. "
Ha, ha. Eww....what did you just step in...
are created, waiting to be created, dormant, obsolete, or still running amok, they only run on one platform:
Funny thing, is. No matter how many people I hear say that (as a matter of fact the more people say that). The more logic says that when it happens it will DEVASTATE the community of leet wannabe linux dorks. The people who are serious networking types that use Linux already CAN AND DO take proactive measures to detect, minimize the possible damage. But I pity the penguin when someone writes a blast for Linux worm. Simply running Linux is only security through obscurity right now, grow up and treat every internet connection as a potential security breach. I am guessing that my XP workstation is more secure than your Linux box just because I take it seriously...you should too.
Thank you soapbox
Corporations actually bough RHEL because they could use RH9 on their desktops and workstations for free.
Software licensing is only a small chunk of change in terms of a desktop roll out. Companies who selected RH because it's "free" like beer will be the Dot-Bombs of tomorrow. Choose what works, because it does and don't try to jimmy extra pennies out of your it budget....that saves you no money. I use RH ES on 2 of my servers and almost all my desktops are Win XP (except a couple of RH 9s which will be replaced with RH WS).
The compatibility that RHEL and RHL provided was the key for their business and now that's over.
Guess what, RH is compatible with Mandrake, Suse, Solaris (heck even Unixware) because it is a 'nix. If people abandon red hat because of compatibility issues, perhaps those people are better off as just 'doze users since they know no better.
RedHat shafted Caldera over the RPM utility that Caldera had paid them to do ($20K iirc) then ran off with it and grabbed market share instead of Caldera.
Darl, is that you. They won't give you your 699 either.
Great you said what I said. They are a business and going to make money. Duh! Why does everyone have a problem with that. So what if they take from Fedora, they are also giving back name recognition (yes Linux has its own I know) and web space as well as some development. If you insist that no one profits from Linux you also insist that it not be widespread. Reality, look at it some time.
Mr. Szulik, I am a desktop user of Red Hat, and your recent emphasis on Enterprise-level Linux leads me to ask if you know where I can get the best price on a copy of Windows XP?
I knew this question would show up quick. Let me sum up how this appears to me...Mr. Szulik, I am a laoyal Linux advocate and longtime user of Red Hat Software. I have downloaded the OS that you put together with your high paid developers (using your expensive bandwidth) ever since RH6.2. I can not understand why you are selling out and abandoning us....we got you where you are today.
Okay, so that may not be quite fair. However, I am guessing that the desktop was a financial loss for Red Hat. It was one that they cleverly supported, but a loss none the less. The fact that they supported it made a larger Linux base etc....and they benefited intangibly, but a board of directors will not tolerate intangible bennies only for long. A corporation is a math machine work plus money = more money that equation MUST be satisfied. Red Hat is going a natural route. When Linux is entrenched in many small-mid size corps then the desktop will be opened up. For now it is GENEROUS of Red Hat to support Fedora.
My PC (running Linux) translated the following quote 'We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better.' into this statement: "Not one person (whose opinion we valued) had a different opinion than us."
No comment at this time
There has to be a killer reason to switch, maybe someone hit by one of the worms lately might, but that's still a minority of home users.
Mod the parent up +5 FUNNY
Right now, when you say "Linux" to a layperson, they don't know what the fuck you're talking about. A Live CD is a painless way for them to find out.
And right now if you say to the project manager in charge of planning desktop direction at a major corporation "Lay Person". He will say that they are not the principal in the decision making process. You target the IT departments and decision makers differently than you target Joe Average. Case in point AOL, every company has a large percentage of it's useless dipshits belonging to the ranks of AOL subscribers, yet many companies do not allow AOL on their PCs. Using your logic it would seem they would give their employees AOL accounts. LiveCDs in all the magazines we read etc... is a good way to be thought of JUST LIKE AOL. Which is a bad thing.
Thus the CPU can do their processing, given enough versatility.
That's a good point. Video cards, NICs etc... all with their own processors and RAM. This is out of control! I log for the days when downloading a file or viewing a graphic would actually tie up your machine.
Oops, did I type that out loud?
This article's a dream come true all of us who post on Slashdot without first reading the article.
/wall street journal.
Sorry to mess up your plan. But here is a nice result on a google search for username / password
http://academics.smcvt.edu/sburks/BU331.htm
Slashdot their account so they learn security discipline.
And if they don't catch one, the publicity is free.
That, in a nutshell, is wit.
they should invest the 250000 into their security team and fix the vulnerabilities instead of chasing after 13 year olds
This is clueless not "informative". For a multi billion dollar company like MS to drop 250K a head for virus writers is a token gesture to make press with their "security efforts". The fact is that they have put millions into securing 2003 (and somewhat 2000) versions of Windows, but that will never get the amount of press as a "bounty" will. 250K would not pay the security project managers yearly salary there, let alone make as big a difference as convincing people that they "are serious about security" If they catch one of those guys the publicity will be priceless.
George Bush hasn't added the Sun to the axis of evil.
They are still working on his speech. Several of his "crusaders" are helping him.
The sun has attacked our way of life, our commerce our very liberty six times. America will not tolerate a dictating solar body. We WILL bomb their villages.
I wish I had my Revelations better memorized.
"And the horsemen spoke "Behold 9 solar prominences" And the Earth was smited by an X15.
SHell Accessible File Types (SHAFT)
One thing that had me worried is if this won't get up. Until I found Veritas Integrated Access Group Restore Application (VIAGRA) which will also increase your Group Integration Timed Holdover (GIRTH)
You will not see millions, maybe thousands but doubtfully so.
Sorry forgot to add. There are some people who could do this based on the amount they have contributed to the kernel. There is one who could shut them down...Linus owns the trademark on Linux (name). They can not call what they are distributing Linux if he says no, if they change the name on it then there license disregard is suddenly obvious even to lay folk.
think of how much you could get from somebody who is illegally distributing a complete server operating system. With the number of source files involved, you could stand to make $Millions!
This is not an interesting, informative etc... comment. If someone owns a track or two on an album they own it. There are not 1000s of owners. You do not own Linux, nor do I. You take them to small claims court to recover compensation on the two lines you contributed as a patch for serial.h etc... You will not see millions, maybe thousands but doubtfully so. Mainly SCOs investors will start to see that this is a bad idea.