Whatever Apple could come up with will be better than this, because it would actually be part of Safari. Do you think they built scripting into Mac OS just so that they could sue people who use it?
Nonsense. Red Hat Linux is a Linux distribution. Linux is a kernel.
I don't call any specific Windows version anything, if I can help it.
What you mean is, you call it Windows, and you know I'm right, but you won't admit it.
The correctness of it is not a matter for opionion or debate.
Ha ha. Never heard of language being the one true democracy? I'm not the first to call it 'Oss Ecks', and I won't be the last. There is a correct way to pronounce the thing that Alexander Graeme Bell invented, but you gloss over that.
So, do you always say Microsoft Windows 2000? Red Hat Linux? Do you ever abbreviate, what about 'phone', 'bus', etc.? Alexander Graham Bell would be turning in his grave;)
If Apple want me to pronounce OS X 'correctly' they'll have to start writing it Mac OS X.2.3. People with an OS 9 background are accustomed to taking things as gospel 'because Steve says so', but Apple now have a whole host of new customers who actually think their shit stinks.
Actually I intended that comment in the context of your rant on pudge.net. But in the context of this discussion, the Linuxes are not the same: can you run KDE apps on your default installation of Debian (free)?
To distinguish between OS X and OS 9 in the context of a Mac discussion I say OS X and OS 9 (or 8, or 7...). Outside of the context, I would say Mac OS 9 and OS X. As for confusion: can you imagine what Apple's lawyers would do if anyone came out with an operating system called 'Hobbit OS X'?
Just out of interest, how do you pronounce it, in full?
Firstly I'd better say that until OS X, I hated Macs too. Now I never use anything else.
"An error of type 1 has occured" no memory protection until OSX. What were they thinking? Losing your work is very user friendly
Sorted.
To eject/umount a disk, drag it to the trash! I've seen Human Computer Interaction "experts" trying to defend this as good design. Talk about tortured logic...
How telling that you should say 'umount' instead of 'unmount'. Try defending that classing naming decision! On OS X, when you hold down the mouse on a mounted volume's icon, the wastepaper basket (which is in the dock) changes into an 'eject' symbol (since you can't delete volumes, this is good screen-estate reuse).
Have you ever tried using that hockey puck iMac mouse? RSI within a week, I promise!
Yes, the hockey puck was a mistake. But personally I think that trackballs are terrible, but you can still buy those for use with Linux systems!
Good interface design goes deep, I agree. Somebody go out and shoot the Quicktime player designers. In fact, any of those "brushed metal" interfaces are monsters!
I take it that your beef with Quicktime Player is its brushed metal appearance, then (because other than that, it's basically just play, pause etc). Many of the other brushed metal apps (the ones written in Cocoa) you can change the appearance back to default Aqua.
Two words: "Apple keyboards". I celebrate the birthday of my IBM M-Series keyboard, thanking the higher powers I don't have to kill my hands on a Mac keyboard.
One word: adapter.
Floppy disks. Somtimes the Mac will spit it out, sometimes it will fail to recognise the floppy at all (hello paperclip), sometimes it will not recognise the format any more. No wonder they abandoned floppies; they couldn't make them work.
So, are you telling me that 'mount' can just deal with unreadable volumes? Under OS X, if 'mount' can deal with it, then it'll happen in the GUI, cause the GUI is just a frontend for 'mount'. Anyway, get with the programme, floppy disks are hardly even nineties, let alone noughties.
It sounds like you need to give OS X a try. Would you judge Windows by version 3.1? Would you judge Linux by version 1.2? They were the first versions of those operating systems I tried out, but I've got over it.
You don't mean Linux. At the very least you mean GNU/Linux, but I suspect you actually mean Red Hat Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, Linux Mandrake or whatever. Say what you mean! Above all, never refer to any operating system as "Windows". You probably mean something like "Microsoft Windows 2000" or "Microsoft Windows XP".
Don't even get me started on pronunciation. OS X's speech synthesiser says "Mac Oh Ess Ten Ten Point Two Point 3". How would you pronounce Mac OS X 11.6? I would say "Oss Ecks Eleven Point Six", just as I say "Oss Ecks" or (if I need to be more specific) "Oss Ecks Ten Point Two Point Three".
Interesting, but sport is more like movies than music - it tends to be the outcome that's important, so you don't tend to watch it more than once. And, unlike movies, the importance of the outcome is time-critical, so you pay for live broadcasting rights.
Indeed, sport must be the media industry's wet dream; "the value of this broadcast will self-destruct in ninety minutes".
It's shipped with the last few releases (i.e., subversions, point revisions), not the last few versions. Before that, people were downloading it anyway. Now, if I have a one-year old PC and IE came with Flash 5, and the site I'm visiting wants Flash 6, I click a button and hey presto! It's installed.
So I submit that it is YOU who is WRONG, WRONG-caller!
I used to work (about three years ago) making ISDN gateways for ethernet telephone systems, and I looked at some North American dial plans, but I never realised they were quite so ill-designed (whoever made the decision to allow 1-xxx-xxxx was out of their mind).
Eventually as the phone number system fills up because of more people having cellphones/pager/fax and a home/office phone line we may see this happening in more cities across the nation
...but how does this help with the size of the address space?
No seven-digit number starts with a '1', so every time I dial a number without a '1', there is an implicit '1-xxx-' added to the front of it, where xxx is the area code I am dialing from.
I live in the UK, and I can assure you that 'hot' dance music is not the same as mainstream dance music. You hear it in the clubs months, sometimes years, before it gets a release.
Your position seems inconsistent to me - you don't want to use screen width, but you want vertical tabs (which, for any decent amount of text to be visible, would need to be fairly wide).
I reckon that all we need is variable-width drawers; then you can decide just how much width you want to use. You can pretty much do that anyway with fixed-width windows (I used to position my Mail.app window so that most of the drawer was off the screen), but it would be nice if you could make your thumbnails as small as you want to.
And you can keep your other hand on the keyboard to control-click, which is natural since that hand is often using other modifier keys, as well.
The reason your other hand is using other modifier keys so often is that you don't have enough mouse buttons.
Part of the reason Windows and Unix users have problems with the Mac's one button (and whine incessantly about it, to such a degree that you want to put *their* testicles in a vise), is because they tend to be unused to the click-and-hold action.
No, it's because we think it's shite, which it is. What in God's name you need to hang around for, when you could have a perfectly good right mouse button, is beyond me.
Having said that, I don't think that it's all bad for Macs to have one button. It certainly encourages developers to consider alternatives to large context-sensitive menus, such as intelligent use of drag-and-drop (which to my mind is a better paradigm).
Whilst you're at it, why not write a program which comes up with ideas for next year's annual google programming contest, using one part randomness, one part cleverness?!
If child pornography isn't wrong, then nothing is.
This statement is presumably carefully-worded to allow exactly the conclusion to be drawn that I did: that if there is no 'objective' morality, then child pornography is not wrong. I think that any other conclusion is a dangerous path to follow.
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Not if you don't have any concrete ground on which to sue them.
Whatever Apple could come up with will be better than this, because it would actually be part of Safari. Do you think they built scripting into Mac OS just so that they could sue people who use it?
Are you seriously trying to tell me that if I brought out a product 'Hobbit OS X' (pronounced 'Oss Ecks'), I wouldn't get a call from Apple's lawyers?
Oh, really? So, you pronounce Paris with a long 'i' and a silent 's'?
Thought not.
Red Hat Linux is Linux
Nonsense. Red Hat Linux is a Linux distribution. Linux is a kernel.
I don't call any specific Windows version anything, if I can help it.
What you mean is, you call it Windows, and you know I'm right, but you won't admit it.
The correctness of it is not a matter for opionion or debate.
Ha ha. Never heard of language being the one true democracy? I'm not the first to call it 'Oss Ecks', and I won't be the last. There is a correct way to pronounce the thing that Alexander Graeme Bell invented, but you gloss over that.
So, do you always say Microsoft Windows 2000? Red Hat Linux? Do you ever abbreviate, what about 'phone', 'bus', etc.? Alexander Graham Bell would be turning in his grave ;)
If Apple want me to pronounce OS X 'correctly' they'll have to start writing it Mac OS X.2.3. People with an OS 9 background are accustomed to taking things as gospel 'because Steve says so', but Apple now have a whole host of new customers who actually think their shit stinks.
Actually I intended that comment in the context of your rant on pudge.net. But in the context of this discussion, the Linuxes are not the same: can you run KDE apps on your default installation of Debian (free)?
To distinguish between OS X and OS 9 in the context of a Mac discussion I say OS X and OS 9 (or 8, or 7...). Outside of the context, I would say Mac OS 9 and OS X. As for confusion: can you imagine what Apple's lawyers would do if anyone came out with an operating system called 'Hobbit OS X'?
Just out of interest, how do you pronounce it, in full?
Firstly I'd better say that until OS X, I hated Macs too. Now I never use anything else.
"An error of type 1 has occured" no memory protection until OSX. What were they thinking? Losing your work is very user friendly
Sorted.
To eject/umount a disk, drag it to the trash! I've seen Human Computer Interaction "experts" trying to defend this as good design. Talk about tortured logic...
How telling that you should say 'umount' instead of 'unmount'. Try defending that classing naming decision! On OS X, when you hold down the mouse on a mounted volume's icon, the wastepaper basket (which is in the dock) changes into an 'eject' symbol (since you can't delete volumes, this is good screen-estate reuse).
Have you ever tried using that hockey puck iMac mouse? RSI within a week, I promise!
Yes, the hockey puck was a mistake. But personally I think that trackballs are terrible, but you can still buy those for use with Linux systems!
Good interface design goes deep, I agree. Somebody go out and shoot the Quicktime player designers. In fact, any of those "brushed metal" interfaces are monsters!
I take it that your beef with Quicktime Player is its brushed metal appearance, then (because other than that, it's basically just play, pause etc). Many of the other brushed metal apps (the ones written in Cocoa) you can change the appearance back to default Aqua.
Two words: "Apple keyboards". I celebrate the birthday of my IBM M-Series keyboard, thanking the higher powers I don't have to kill my hands on a Mac keyboard.
One word: adapter.
Floppy disks. Somtimes the Mac will spit it out, sometimes it will fail to recognise the floppy at all (hello paperclip), sometimes it will not recognise the format any more. No wonder they abandoned floppies; they couldn't make them work.
So, are you telling me that 'mount' can just deal with unreadable volumes? Under OS X, if 'mount' can deal with it, then it'll happen in the GUI, cause the GUI is just a frontend for 'mount'. Anyway, get with the programme, floppy disks are hardly even nineties, let alone noughties.
It sounds like you need to give OS X a try. Would you judge Windows by version 3.1? Would you judge Linux by version 1.2? They were the first versions of those operating systems I tried out, but I've got over it.
(You also don't mean "MacOS", which doesn't exist, nor "Mac OS", but "Mac OS X")
Blah blah blah.
You don't mean Linux. At the very least you mean GNU/Linux, but I suspect you actually mean Red Hat Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, Linux Mandrake or whatever. Say what you mean! Above all, never refer to any operating system as "Windows". You probably mean something like "Microsoft Windows 2000" or "Microsoft Windows XP".
Don't even get me started on pronunciation. OS X's speech synthesiser says "Mac Oh Ess Ten Ten Point Two Point 3". How would you pronounce Mac OS X 11.6? I would say "Oss Ecks Eleven Point Six", just as I say "Oss Ecks" or (if I need to be more specific) "Oss Ecks Ten Point Two Point Three".
You'd better tell Roland, cause a fair few of the most famous drum machines in the world contravene this.
Interesting, but sport is more like movies than music - it tends to be the outcome that's important, so you don't tend to watch it more than once. And, unlike movies, the importance of the outcome is time-critical, so you pay for live broadcasting rights.
Indeed, sport must be the media industry's wet dream; "the value of this broadcast will self-destruct in ninety minutes".
It's shipped with the last few releases (i.e., subversions, point revisions), not the last few versions. Before that, people were downloading it anyway. Now, if I have a one-year old PC and IE came with Flash 5, and the site I'm visiting wants Flash 6, I click a button and hey presto! It's installed.
So I submit that it is YOU who is WRONG, WRONG-caller!
Linux is what Hurd only dreamt of becoming.
Monolithic? I think not :)
Thanks for your answer!
I used to work (about three years ago) making ISDN gateways for ethernet telephone systems, and I looked at some North American dial plans, but I never realised they were quite so ill-designed (whoever made the decision to allow 1-xxx-xxxx was out of their mind).
...but how does this help with the size of the address space?
No seven-digit number starts with a '1', so every time I dial a number without a '1', there is an implicit '1-xxx-' added to the front of it, where xxx is the area code I am dialing from.
I just don't get it.
I live in the UK, and I can assure you that 'hot' dance music is not the same as mainstream dance music. You hear it in the clubs months, sometimes years, before it gets a release.
95%?
I'm getting deja vu on made-up statistics here
Your position seems inconsistent to me - you don't want to use screen width, but you want vertical tabs (which, for any decent amount of text to be visible, would need to be fairly wide).
I reckon that all we need is variable-width drawers; then you can decide just how much width you want to use. You can pretty much do that anyway with fixed-width windows (I used to position my Mail.app window so that most of the drawer was off the screen), but it would be nice if you could make your thumbnails as small as you want to.
...is Debian. And observe the flak they take for it!
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... and if it doesn't do everything you want it to do, implement the kitchen sink yourself.
And you can keep your other hand on the keyboard to control-click, which is natural since that hand is often using other modifier keys, as well.
The reason your other hand is using other modifier keys so often is that you don't have enough mouse buttons.
Part of the reason Windows and Unix users have problems with the Mac's one button (and whine incessantly about it, to such a degree that you want to put *their* testicles in a vise), is because they tend to be unused to the click-and-hold action.
No, it's because we think it's shite, which it is. What in God's name you need to hang around for, when you could have a perfectly good right mouse button, is beyond me.
Having said that, I don't think that it's all bad for Macs to have one button. It certainly encourages developers to consider alternatives to large context-sensitive menus, such as intelligent use of drag-and-drop (which to my mind is a better paradigm).
Whilst you're at it, why not write a program which comes up with ideas for next year's annual google programming contest, using one part randomness, one part cleverness?!
If child pornography isn't wrong, then nothing is.
This statement is presumably carefully-worded to allow exactly the conclusion to be drawn that I did: that if there is no 'objective' morality, then child pornography is not wrong. I think that any other conclusion is a dangerous path to follow.
Hamish
Your sarcasm suggests that you thought he meant 'card'. You should probably look up the word next time to avoid embarrassing yourself.
Hamish