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Major Problems With Safari
kuwan writes "There have been many problems reported with Safari on Apple's discussion boards. The two most prominent are that option-clicking on a link to download can replace your Home folder with the downloaded file, effectively nuking your Home folder. The other has been reported as a printing problem, but is far worse. The printing problem occurs because Safari deletes /tmp, which is a link to /private/tmp."
Use at your own risk...
Granted, I was using Moz while it was in Beta, but there had been testimonials... and if you're an early adopter you ought to have good backups anyway.
Just my 2 cents...
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/tmp a link to /private/tmp anyway?
isn't
Dont get me wrong, Im as big of an apple person as they come (I refuse to use a windows machine) but as the page stated (and jobs in his keynote) many times: It's Beta. . . use at your own risk. . . Im sure once it goes to a full release it will be the most kickass browser around, but untill then, I keep my copy of opera in the dock, right next to safari.
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We just discovered that a discussion board about a beta software program includes complaints about bugs! Shut down the press, we need to get this hot news item into today's edition. Nothing like this has ever happened before!!!!
Instead of useless scaremongering.
I have done multiple control click downloads, and printed a gazillion pages with Safari b48- with no problems.
So can you please tell us *exactly how to reproduce these bugs so we can avoid it, or stop yelling fire in a crowded theatee?
Thanks.
Of course, I wouldn't have installed beta software on an unbacked up production machine mysefl, but there we go.
I don't have a production machine with less than daily backups.
remapped the right mouse button to fire off random commands such as rm -rf $HOME
Seriously though, did anyone check to make sure they got the right file from the site rather than a hacked version that was put in place of the original. You would think that these kinds of bugs are serious enough that they wouldn't even put out the program (even in beta) until they were fixed.
'And all the monkeys aren't in the zoo Every day you meet quite a few...'
I am a bit skeptical about the reports. It sounds like some people are freaking out because something they didn't happened. Is it not possible that someone tried to download a file whose name was exactly the same as his home directory, and he has set his download location to /Users for whatever reason I don't understand?
/tmp was missing, not that Safari replaces /tmp with a link to /private/tmp. /tmp has always been a link to /private/tmp.
Also, the reports say that
Safari is a beta software anyway. Use it at your own risk.
> isn't /tmp a link to /private/tmp anyway
/tmp, which is a link to /private/tmp." The problem IS that the link is deleted. Not hard to fix (if you know how to use the CLI), but annoying.
Exactly, that is what it says above; "Safari deletes
The other has been reported as a printing problem, but is far worse. The printing problem occurs because Safari deletes /tmp, which is a link to /private/tmp.
/tmp could not be created.
So that explains it. Apple's X11 application was crashing on me shortly after launch and immediately when requesting the creation of an xterm. The logfile said a lock file in
First off, this is a beta. Secondly, I also have had no problem with safari and I've printed a bunch. That said, I sure am going to make sure I don't hit that option-key while downloading!
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The following was deleted from my original post. Here's how to fix the problems with /tmp:
You need to recreate the /tmp symbolic link (/tmp is just a link to /private/tmp).
I agree with those that have said that you should use caution with beta software, but considering that over 300,000 people downloaded it on the first day there are going to be a lot of people that are going to be needing a fix. 5 of the 6 people I work with (including me) that used Safari had /tmp deleted. That's 83% which means there's probably more than 250,000 people (from just the first day) that are going to need a fix.
Other problems that might be experienced include:
There are many more problems that may come up, so anything we can do to get the word out is a good thing.
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This is a rather old debate...please see link for related debate.
KDE Office Beta
Above is an old thread regarding KDE office beta and the confusion caused by alpha, beta, etc. and different people's expectations.
I think that a good general rule of thumb is to say that:
pre-alpha/alpha software all bets are off.
Beta - We've worked out all the major computer destroying bugs but there's still lots of little annoying ones.
Pre-Release candidate - Hey, we got this thing to work pretty well and now we need people to try and break it so that when we actually release we can
Honestly, I'd be pretty pissed if someone released a beta and it did something nasty like erase my ~ directory. We're not talking about CS 101 students releasing the Hello World Browser.
"...we dont care about the economics; we just want to be able to hack great stuff."
Hey fellas,
/sw directory, but I had the misfortune of losing all control over the trackpad on my TiBook. Persisted across restarts, across pram zapping, across power manager reset. No mouse movement with USB mice either. My CD drive was fscked, so I couldn't boot off of OS 10.2 CD.
Not sure if this was Safari, OS X X11, or me rm -rf fink's
I ended up putting my TiBook in Firewire Disk Mode, and reinstalling Jaguar from my wife's iBook onto the Ti. It seems to be working so far, and I even felt adventurous enough to reinstall Safari and X11. (Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment.)
Has anyone out there has had a similar problem?
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If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.
For Mac faithful, try Chimera Navigator which is astonsihly based on Gecko yet worlds apart from Netscape. It's a nice example of a rapid development project benefitting from the OS X environment. 0.6 is a major advance.
I use Opera and like it, but you do have to pay $40 for it, and we have three machines. I'm a little worrid about Opera's apparent feature creep.
I don't know what Chimera's future is, but it's free and GPL. I wish Safari all the best but will wait a little. And WHY with Aqua have they still not dropped that awful brushed metal look??? Chimera does a better job of Aqua than Apple's own product.
A friend who is considering updating to Jaguar asked me if I liked Safari. I had to think for a second. I've switched between iCab, Netscape 6, Mozilla, IE, OmniWeb, and Chimera since I started using OS X. I had finally settled on Chimera as my primary browser before Safari got released.
So what did I respond? I told him that it seemed to me like it was a rush job. I didn't really see any signs that Apple had spent much time or effort developing the software. Yes, I fully realize it's beta. It should have bugs. But bugs as big as are mentioned in this story? Good gracious no. I've been beta testing Apple software for a long time, and bugs this big are usually taken care of with internal builds. Even seeds delivered to ADC members shouldn't have bugs this big. Safari is a widely publicized public beta.
Does anybody see any features that really show work? I know they did a lot of under-the-hood stuff, but what did they start with? What was the state of KHTML before Apple started contributing? I'm sure Apple is going to make the browser a large priority, but how much did they really put into Safari before it was released?
Oh, and please implement the netscape.javascript.* package. A java class that cannot mess with the browser is a sad java class.
But yeah. gimme some debugging consoles first.
Then I'll beta-test the darn thing.
Thinking of which, is there some form of public bugzilla for safari where I can moan about this AND have a hope of something being done about it?
too sents
yes! it may have been too early for a widespread public beta. your mileage may vary.
Using 10.2.3 and safari...
NO BUGS!
None. I am printing fine, no problems with option clicking, just a little slow flash play.
This is a TROLL Post
I thought the Unix underpinnings of OS X would prevent things like the deletion of /tmp.
I think this does only happen if you try to delete your cache!
I love Safari. Just fast and clean as I want a Browser!
Hmmmm. I just checked. My /tmp link is read/execute for other. Owner is "root". Group is "wheel". My normal user account is not root and the group is "staff". In other words, if you use good computing practice and run as a normal user this bug won't hurt you because the file permissions will prevent it.
Are all these people that are having problems always running as an administor?
On the other hand Safari does not seem to handle the "path" value of a cookie per RFC2109. At least it does not handle it the same way as MS IE, Mozilla or iCab.
Who cares if it deletes stuff, I just want this feature.
Come on Steve Jobs get those tabs in there!
Actually I'm a little perplexed about the home directory thing and would like to see more details on what is going on. /Users on both of my machines is writable by root and the wheel group, but not the admin group. It doesn't seem like this could happen without write permission to /Users, so it sounds a bit fishy. However, if the user were in the wheel group, that could explain it.
The /tmp thing is easily accomplished if the user is in the admin group since most Apple software updates like to chmod g+w / even when I don't want it that way.
Personally, I run everything as a non-admin user and have a special "admin" account which is the only one in the admin group. I've ranted on this before, but I still think Apple would have been better off telling people, when they first configure the machine, to simply enter a special administrative password, separate from their normal password. Behind the scenes, they would create an admin user, but any non-advanced user would need not even know that administrative privileges are given via a separate account. All they need to know is their regular account (non-admin) password and the admin password. The facilities for this setup are mostly there - many system-type actions (system-wide prefs, software installs) already ask for an administrative user/password. Just dump the user part (defaulting to "admin"), so as not to confuse non-advanced users. Then add stuff in places like the Finder - try to copy a new program to /Applications and get a dialog asking for the password. Make it as seamless as possible.
I really think this sort of scheme would have been better, more in line with the traditional Unix security model while still giving people full control over their machines without absolutely requiring knowledge of "root," "sudo" and other Unixisms. Advanced (or wreckless) users could even be given the option to "give my account full time administrative privileges" (add to the admin group) with proper warnings of possible doom.
Say hello to zMac.
Okay, we've got the first post on Apple's Discussion boards at (Posted Jan 8, 03 3:35 am) and the bug report has made it to Slashdot by 4:37 EST, I assume. The "world" knows about this problem, and has for hours.
I'm upset for a number of reasons. Hey, this is a beta, sure. As a software developer myself, a huge bug that doesn't turn up until you let someone else take a look is, unfortunately, expected. The Chinaman (Big Lebowski screenplay here if you missed the reference)... ur, bug's not the issue here, dude.
Here's what's wrong -- we've got 300,000 people who prefer mice with one button a hair's breath away from erasing pretty important folders. We can hardly expect they've backed everything up. Here are three reasons Apple's more than just dropped the ball...
1.) Fire up Software Update in OS X. We've come to expect IE updates here. There's nothing about a Safari update.
2.) Go back to apple.com/safari. Try to download. Same version they released right after the keynote. No fix offered.
3.) There's not even a mention about the problem on the Safari project lead's blog, though there are mentions that they've fixed the appearence of VersionTracker's front page (Admittedly, I sent that bug in yesterday with probably literally thousands of others). Can they really not be aware of the directory-erasing problem?
Look, this is worse than MSN Messenger going down for five hours due to human error. So what if I can't IM? I'll finally get some work done. With Safari, there are people reporting that they're losing their iPhoto set-ups, their Documents folders, and even their entire home directory. Expecting Joe iPhoto user to reattach symbolic links is a bit much, folks.
It's embarassing, even if this is some sort of strange hoax (which it certainly doesn't seem to be) that Apple's not on top of things. More than mud in Apple's eye, this is nearly scandal.
It's all 0s and 1s. Or it's not.
Everyone loves and remembers the silly kernel panic from OS 10.2. I never got it to work on my machine. Maybe this problem with Safari is the same sort of thing. I know that 10.2 must use the VFS "virtual filesystem interface", so from this I will make some very gross assumptions.
1. The VFS UFS implementation is pretty stable. Lacking softupdates at this point, but still both mature and robust.
2. The VFS HFS / HFS+ implementation is newer, and a bit slower (quite subjectively), and seems to me to be somehow weak, or flimsy, or not-quite robust.
I get the same feeling from the VFS HFS+ layer that I did from the P/T Cruiser and the Ford Focus. No offense to anybody who worked on the code, but it doesn't feel right.
I'll take this opportunity again to tell Apple to just put a kibosh on HFS+ for good. Go FFS+S, or something else but for heaven's sake, if you're going to remodel the house, you might as well finish!
Has anyone figured out how to stop Safari from spawning its windows anywhere and everywhere, randomly on both my monitors? Does anyone else have this problem?
At least in Omniweb they finally included a Save Window Position option. Safari is just weird.
Which brings me to another problem. When I hit the + gumdrop, I sometimes get a window that is maximized to the dimensions of my smaller screen (1280x854) instead of 1280x1024! That happens a lot though with a bunch of different applications. Does anybody know how to make a Cocoa app's window take up both screens without having to do the little dance of maximizing it, nudging the window over onto the other display a little (like 1 or 2 pixels) and then grabbing the resize handle and finally making it the desired size?
I am beginning to wonder if open betas are really the right way for software development to be moving. Recently someone mentioned how easy it is to get beta software these days, and I realized that they were right, it wasn't long ago that beta software was something you had to apply for and hope to be chosen to recieve. I think that this uniqueness prevented less knowledgable users from gaining access to the software, at least without some effort, which meant that if you got it you generally knew what it could do, and were prepared to deal with the consiquences. Perhaps more software should go back to a more closed beta to prevent these sorts of situations from occuring.
Incidentally, did you know that SPAM is concidered a treat in Hawaii? They have some resturants that feature it in $20 a plate dishes, and it usually sells out on paydays. I have heard that it was popular at truck stops as well.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
I would like to know:
- If there are cases of this happening where the affected user does *not* have admin permissions
- What the affected users have set as their default download folder
This seems like a serious threat, but without more data it is hard to know just how serious.
use software update
That was classic intercourse!
I don't know how many times this needs to be emphasized --> BETA. It's Beta for a reason... and it's stupid and pointless to be upset about there being a bug in it, no matter how serious! Just because they haven't addressed the issue yet doesn't mean they're ignoring it -- it just means they're doing other things, possibly fixing bugs that users haven't found yet.
And as for calling it "bad business" -- noone told all these people to go out and start using it all the time. They were told it's Beta, and those people who don't know any better shouldn't have gotten it! They should wait for it to be a final release product... If they were charging for the application, or marketing it as a full fledged production quality browser, then yeah, bad bussiness -- BUT THEY'RE NOT!
And this is no where's near as bad as MSN Messenger going down... that's a full fledged production system which many many people (stupidly) rely on! NOT A BETA PRODUCT. Apple doesn't expect "Joe iPhoto user to reattach symbolic links" -- they expect Joe iPhoto user to be smart enough to see the big fat BETA banner and hold out for a while.
It's not embarrassing - it's life. Just because Apple hasn't yet addressed one prevelant bug out of potentially hundreds of other bugs doesn't mean they're not on top of things... you're just overreacting.
None of those posts claiming their home directory was deleted contained any of the following information:
1: The file being downloaded
2: The download destination
3: Their Username
4: The settings they had in Safari.
5: How to attempt to repeat it.
Sounds like a nice distributed troll with a goal of ruining Safari's reputation. If anyone can provide those 5 peices of information to me, I will start to believe this might possibly be a legitimate rumor.
I live in a giant bucket.
I likespam. Always have. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam right now!
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
I have a friend with a PBG4 (600MHz, I believe) named Virginia running OS X 10.2.3 who uses Safari with no trouble. It loads pages quickly, generally renders them error-free, and doesn't crash.
/.) I'll stick with IE.
I have a PMG4 2x1.25 GHz named Louise running OS X Server 10.2.3 (why? because I can) and I have tried Safari. It crashes frequently while loading www.versiontracker.com, generally loads pages extremely slowly and renders them incorrectly.
What do you want from a beta? Safari probably has issues with multiprocessor systems, or with Server. I'll use it when they release it for real; till then (though I know I'll get plenty of flak for it on
I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
Thank goodness, according to the latest reports it only affects Microsoft astroturfers.
-- thinkyhead software and media
..faster in every sense, including the speed in which it screws up your box!
Muahahaha
i run 10.2.3, and have two main users, an admin and a normal user. i always log in a the unprivileged normal user and only use the admin for, uh, admin. duh. when files are downloaded, they go to ~/Desktop. i won't reveal my usernames for security reasons but they don't contain spaces. my admin user lives on the same disk as os x (/users/admin/), and my normal user lives on an external firewire disk (/volumes/disk/foouser/) i download flat files from my bank to import into quicken. on every other browser i've used, clicking the appropriate link on the bank's page downloads a file "foo.qif". safari comes out, i get it and use the default settings. i try downloading the file. safari shows me the contents of the flat file in the window. i go back to the previous page, option click on the link and choose "save link target as..." (i don't have the exact text, because safari is banned for reasons that will become obvious). the file downloads, i import it. fine. good. i keep using my computer for a few days, using safari (but not option-click downloading anything). i read here about how this problem has happened. i logout from my normal user, log in as my admin user and delete /Applications/Safari.app, ~/Library/Safari/*, and everything else i can find with that name. (yes, i know i can do that from terminal, but i had other stuff to do in the gui.)
when i try to log back in as my normal user, i get the default desktop and dock. yikes! sure enough, my home dir /volumes/disk/user is empty except for . and ..
after a few minutes of panic & regret & resolutions to get a friggin cd burner for backups of those priceless photos of my kid, etc, i realize the disk usage hasn't changed. relief sets in and i realize the files aren't gone, they've just been misplaced. i log out and then log in as my admin user. i run disk utility and repair the external disk. it says the directory listing is incorrect and repairs it and then everything is magically good as new. i log in as my normal user and all my files are back.
i never had any printing problems.
" they expect Joe iPhoto user to be smart enough to see the big fat BETA banner and hold out for a while. Just because Apple hasn't yet addressed one prevelant bug out of potentially hundreds of other bugs doesn't mean they're not on top of things... you're just overreacting."
Just plain wrong. This is a pretty atypical bug for a Beta, let alone a public Beta. Apple shouldn't be touting the download on their splashy, product-pushing home page. Some "Joe iPhotos" HAVE downloaded it, thanks to the heavy advertising on the same page that their browser points to when they fire up their shiny new computer for the first time.
That IS bad business.
I'm gonna have to reinstall everything, it looks like (I'll hold off for a couple of days in case someone figures it out). This is the first public beta I've used in years that's forced me to do that, and I've used many.
Right, its so much better to have 6, 7 or more windows cluttering up your desktop. One of the hallmarks of good UI design is to maximize the amount of free desktop real estate, which is one reason why tabs are so popular.
And as for the problem of having the titles disappear: just open another tab bar if thats such a big deal to you!
I left Safari open and running, browsing intermittently for about 9 hours; browsing opening new windows, closing them all down, downloading files, doing searches, etc. all afternoon. After putting my TiBook (667 MHz Gigabitethernet 768MB Ram and plenty of free disk space 16 Gigs, v10.2.3) to sleep for 20 minutes or so, when I reopened my TiBook and started browsing, the fan was chugging full blast within 10 minutes.
Checked with the "top" command and sure enough, Safari was suddenly using 85%+ of CPU time even when the browser was completely idle (not loading pages, not processing inputs, nada). Previously, it had stayed under 10-15% during normal browsing. Killing off Safari and restarting seemed to take care of this. CPU useage is like 5-7% while typing this post.
Just now closed the screen for a few minutes, Safari's CPU useage still below 7% while typing this 3rd paragraph, 0% when idle. Newly restarted Safari session about 1 hour old now.
Anyone else notice Safari ratcheting up its CPU useage with long sessions? Perhaps it was a waking up from sleep issue? Doesn't seem like it though, just slept again for 10 minutes, Safari is 5-7% while typing and 0% when idle. That's the problem with most software bugs, they are often inconsistent to reproduce and may very well be due to factors related to your system's particular setup or due to blend of software that you have running at the time.
I haven't been able to replicate the Print deletes "/tmp" bug at all yet (I'm using an admin privledged account too). Don't dare to try Option-Clicking until I get a chance to back up Users, but judging from the many posts that are saying the "delete my User directory" bug isn't occuring for them, I think it may not be a universal bug/problem but something more setup specific or maybe even completely unrelated to Safari.
Overall, I am quite impressed at Safari's stability and speed, it just needs a few more good features. And yes, I'm going to still use it as my primary browser for the time being.
DaveC
There are no stupid questions...just stupid people.
These are other bugs I have seen. It will be interesting to see if anyone else has experienced them.
1. Safari can handle only three downloads at a time. If you put a fourth download in the queue, it will replace the third, which will be completely skipped; the fifth will replace the fourth; and so on.
2. (Cosmetic) The "no man's land" in the lower right hand corner between the scroll bars can get screwed up if you start scrolling before Safari's finished rendering the page. Occurs especially when the horizontal scroll bar is in use.
3. (Cosmetic) Safari attempts to win time by rendering each frame in a frame URL as it is received, but before the entire frame set is known. As a result, rendering can look clumsy, with frames jumping across the window and back again.
4. You can't turn off auto-complete. To not get an entire URL as Safari presumes it, you have to delete the completion twice.
5. You cannot stop animations, and you cannot set animations to loop only a single time.
6. The History menu becomes impossible to use with too many URLs - it locks up as Safari attempts to load the "Earlier Today" submenu. Workaround is to hit the up arrow key when the menu is highlighted on the menu bar.
None of these are serious, except perhaps the download queue bug, and that's a good one.
Cheers, R.
Anyway (rolls eyes), go to Apple Discussion Boards and search for Galen Muir (the one who gave me the solution). Look for a post (or posts) with subject "RE: Possible Solution"
This fix should resolve any issues you may have with Classic, Software Update, Installer (and maybe printing, CD burning, and "incorrect PPP option" while trying to connect to the internet).
If you have downloaded Safari, and suffered thse problems, then i highly suggest that you check those posts and carefully follow the directions.
Hmm, well I'm glad others are having problems, and not just me :-)
Anyone else having their mouse freeze on them within a minute of using Safari? My whole iBook keeps freezing (iBook stays on when lid is closed, mouse won't move etc.) Only the forced restart works. This is completely reproducible, and slightly depressing. I'm a switcher of about 6 weeks standing and I'm a bit upset about the stability of Mac OS X. And yes, I'm running 10.2.3 with all software updates...
Just about to crash it again, to see if I can ssh into it and see whats happening...
I've spent the last half hour trying to replicate this. I have tried as both and admin and normal user and have failed to do so...
/tmp on my iBook. I have my downloads folder set to the desktop and Safari is in the Applications folder..
I haven't had any printer problems and I still have
I've got a 12" iBook. It's really annoying when I reopen Safari (or any of the other chromed apps) and part of it is off the screen. This happens if when I closed it it was maximized. Anyone know how to get around this?
Tabs are a killer feature for me. Once I started using tabs in Galeon, all other browsers suddenly seemed awkward and frustrating to use over a long period of time. Right now I have 7 tabs open in Galeon, and I can easily read enough of the titles to know what page is what.
Many of the tabs have become a semi-permanent fixture in my browser, in that I use them for quick access to site multiple times a day. Some of the pages the tabs point at auto-refresh, so all I have to do is hit the tab to get a quick update for that set of information.
Another great way to use tabs is to index a string of links as you pursue it. It's like sticking your fingers in a choose-your-own-adventure book at each junction, for those who can remember ever doing that. Tabs make this very easy to do, much easier than bookmarks.
Tabs manage pop-ups more elegantly than full-pages. The pop ups do not obscure the previous pages, so you can read them only when you are ready.
One feature galeon has that complements tab-browsing is that it remembering your tabs and across sessions, so even if you have to reboot or accidently kill the webbrowser you can instantly get back a rich session that might otherwise take 10 minutes to set up.
I like Chimera a lot, but I still prefer galeon because Galeon puts close "X" buttons on each tab. If Chimera did that it would be perfect for me.
I can't even contemplate a tabless browser for anything more than rudimentary local HTML file viewing. People multitask, and tabs help you do this without wasting screen space or cluttering the task bar, which has enough applications to deal with as it is.
...is Debian. And observe the flak they take for it!
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
But beta software is deliberately released to customers for testing. This is for the benefit of the company, not the customers. Companies should go out of their way to make sure their beta software doesn't do anything seriously bad, and blaming the user for trying the software is self-defeating.
If anything, beta software should have lots of extra checking compiled into it; it might quit more often than released software and run slower, but it shouldn't crash in unexpected ways any more frequently, and it should definitely go out of its way to guard against data loss.
Someone on the Apple discussion boards mentioned deleting ~/Library/preferences/com.apple.security.plist which allowed Safari to launch. When I entered and saved my password for POP mail, the problem returned.
You can download an application enhancer for safari that fixes window position. Works perfectly for me http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=177 87&db=mac
Hm. Just checked. You're right about the sudoers file, and everything being owned by admin. The BSD half of things says I'm in group admin.
However, Get Info windows list stuff I create as having group "staff (me)". Weird. Is this a bug or what?
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
I've found a problem with Safari's use of the symbol font under MacRoman encoding. It's a bit too much to explain here, but I've put up a page about the problem here
The short answer is that the list of currently open window would be the list of currently open (=tabbed) pages; it this list were supplied as an explict collection (like History) when in "bookmark" or "collections" mode (what you get when you click on the "book" icon or hit option-cmd-B), you can basically have your tabs in one combo-key-stroke.
The whole story is spelled out here in my recent reply on a previous thread.
Please let me know if you think this could or could not work.
Babar
Betas are for geeks, not the general public. Apple should never encourage the average user to install true beta software. If there was any chance that this thing could dammage your system Apple should not have anounced it on stage at MacWorld. My assumption was that it was beta in its ability to render pages correctly, not that it had the potential to damage my machine. Do you want your mom installing that sort of software?
Looks like Apple has posted a new version of Safari. Talk about fast turn around!
taken from MacMinute:
Apple today released Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03, a new version of the company's Web browser that was introduced on Tuesday. A detailed list of improvements was not given, but Apple did say that the update is "recommended for all Safari users."
Hope this at least resolves the /tmp folder issue.
It was just a corrupt plist that was stopping safari from opening. It launches now, after deleting the plist.
/tmp to something other than admin? I've tried sudo chgrp -h nogroup /tmp, among other things, and it did nothing.
Anyone know how to change the group of
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
Apple has posted a Safari Update to address the serious bugs users have been reporting.
-- thinkyhead software and media
Ok of course it's not going to appear in the software updater... it's a beta... it's not for all OSX users. Haven't you noticed that the software updater alerts you to updates for software you don't have installed... ok so why alert people to install Safari when it's a beta and really shouldn't be installed by mistake.
Secondly... I have Safari running on 7 machines without error... none serious... only display issues.
Who knows what extreme cases have caused these wierd cases to occur.
Thirdly... Apple have just released a newer build that has aparrently fixed these problems.
Now given it's a beta and NOT a final product... and at the time of download you KNOW IT"S BETA... then the risk is all yours... the real roblem is that far too many eager Mac users don't fully understand what that means.
Apple has quietly posted an update to Safari. 1.0 Beta v51 is available from the Safari download page at http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
There were no specific release notes included, other than the curt phrase "This Safari update is recommended for all Safari users" (nor could I get any info from any of the Apple staffers I spoke to at MacWorld Expo), but I suspect that, coming so soon after the release of Safari (and after the Slashdot article) that this address was put out to address the problems mentioned in the Slashdot article.
So far I've not had any trouble with the thing, and it's just as fast as ever. The speed of this sucker is seriously impressive. And the fact that Apple is complying with the GPL and sending all source code modifications back to the KDE people gives me that warm fuzzy feeling all over. Now I'm looking forward to KDE 3.2 -- I have a feeling that we'll get a leaner, meaner, beefier Konqui out of this! More power to the people.
Yomigaeru Aiyan Geek!!!
Apple says:
- Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03
They don't say specifically what they've fixed, but the rendering is apparently now at 96 DPI (fonts no longer are 25% too small for me) and I just printed out some stuff and myThis Safari Update is recommended for all Safari users.
Still like this browser alot, too bad about the lack of tabs (I liked being able to load a whole slew of pages simultaneously in one click) but it is fast enough that if you -- a link and open it in a window behind your current one, you can use your Windows menu just like a tabbed browser. Too bad the -- combination is a bit awkward, maybe if they give you the option like in Omniweb to open new windows in the background with -...
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There are no stupid questions...just stupid people.
There's an updated version out that might fix some of the more "dangerous" bugs in Safari. Check VersionTracker or Apple to download.
Twelve fingers or one, its how you play. ~Gattaca (Vincent)
No, read mine. We'll just hack them on, you fussy little UI Felix Unger know-it-all prick.
v51 http://www.apple.com/safari/
no idea where to find the change log though.
Apple can have some bone-headed stubbornness that makes them say moronic things like this, and never ever ever admit their error. Having external parties control Chimera will save it from the worst Apple-isms like a universally reviled Metal UI, tabs because some dimwit UI "expert" says they are bad, etc, while still keeping the better parts of Apple's OS design.
Hyperbole is the worst thing ever.
Well, not the one you detail, anyway.
How's that?
Simple. I'm downloading ten DIVX files right now. TEN. AT ONCE. Thank you.
The number of files you can download at any given time is a *preference*. I made a lot of hotheaded mistakes with Safari when I was first using it- this was one of them.
Actually, I was a little disappointed when I saw Safari had no tabs. But then I realized that the Bookmarks Bar was just as good, if not better for my purposes. Instead of opening a new tab I drag my current location to the Bookmarks Bar and then click whatever link I was going to click, or type whatever URL. It also works for dragging links right off the page. Of course these are non-dynamic bookmarks and you have to drag the links on or off each time you want it to change or update, but I am enjoying this new technique.
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