Okay heres an example, one machine at work, patched up the whazoo, running the latest anti-virus and spyware combo, run as user level as opposed to Admin level and the damn thing still gets a spy-ware bundle droppped on it from a great height.
Takes two to threee hours to clean up and then we discover the damn thing is hiding on the network somewhere on another machine patched up the whazoo, anti-virus etc etc.
I never said Linux was the be all and end all of Operating System goodness. Linux has its own problems, mainly hack attacks against third party software packages. However I would put the Linux kernel up against the NT kernel security wise any day.
My astro-turfer comment refers to those who just use throw away lines and incredibly general statements in a bid to try and paint MS or any other product in a positive light. There are plenty of Linux astro-turfers on this site as well , and they annoy me for exactly the same reasons, general, uninformed statements thrown out at the first sign of an attack on their precioussss(whether it be linux, windows or OSX).
Telling all the stories you like about how your (or your mothers/wives/SO's) machine has never had a virus/spyware attack even though you never run anti-virus software nor a spyware detection suite isn't going to mnean a lot.
The simple fact is that many of the people on this board have to work with windows (from 95 to 2003) everyday and can tell you horror stories about machines that have been secured, reside behind a natting firewall, etc etc but still they get slapped down by the newest virus which has snuck in through a vulnerability which was patched three months ago.
The other area you seem to be missing is the inate ability of users to fuck things up, no matter how secure you make it. All it takes is one innocent click on a link and all of a sudden you have spyware coming out your nose.
Heres a question for you. Would your mother know what a virus or piece of spyware looks like?
Before you get all het up about the above comment, think about it. Most normal users wouldn't notice a problem until either their machine slowed to a crawl or nice little pop-ups started appearing offering either to grow their penises or access to sites where young women do interesting things with live stock.
Also is your mother on broadband or dialup? How is her update system managed? What sort of third party firewall software/hardware have you set up between your mothers machine and the internet? How is email managed? These are all questions that need to be answered before we can take your statement that your mothers machine is a prime example of the security of XP throug proper management.
We tried the whole multiple hominid species co-existing before,and true to form one beat the hell out of the other and now there is only one left.
Also evolving into seperate species may not necessarily help with regards to disease base catastrophic events. Cross species contanimation happens all to regularly for speciation to provide a barrier.
In the grand scheme of the universe humanity has sweet sod all significance, however to humanity, it s a little greater.
All animals strive towards continuation of the species with humanity no difference, hence we have a built in instinct which says humanity must go on (especially that bit of humanity that is you and your kin/clan/tribe/gamer group).
Of course, if all the plans to invade Australia are under copyright the Indonesians aren't going to be able to figure out how to do it!! It's brillaint!!
I thik you are ignoring a basic fact re Closed Source efficiencies(sp?). With closed source you suffer from vendor lock in, with all the problems and upsides that entails - slow service, bugs not fixed in a timely manner, vendor going out of business, hugely expensive upgrade paths etc etc.
However with Open Source there is more of a chance that another vendor could step in to pick up the slack with a minumum of system breakage.
I guess what I am trying to say is that when considering ideas such as business model efficiency you have to take into account all aspects of the business relationship, from initial contact through to potential fuck ups on both sides.
And while we are at it we'll conveniantly forget that the only reason the insurgents are letting off bombs and mortars is because the Americans are there in the first place, way to destabalise a region dudes.
Gee whiz if its that easy I don't know why everyone isn't doing it.
Oh sorry yes I do, these are areas where people are trapped by poverty, crime and drugs. Move you say? How? They can't get jobs to get the money to move.
You really have no concept of how environmental factors affect people do you, no real understanding of human nature. If you grow up in a region where violence and anarchy are the norm then there is a more than decent chance you are going to get caught in the same trap.
Nobody is "trapped" in a ghetto.
You really do not have a clue do you.
I'm sorry but I think the comparison is valid in the context of the argument I was making. At one point the British thought it was perfectly acceptable to lock up thousands of women and children in truly squalid conditions in order to force their husbands, borthers and sons to stop fighting. However as time went on the brits turned to thinking that camps such as these were "evil". Thus showing that the concpet of evil is really a matter of personal opinion rather than some universal constant that some make it out to be.
I hate to tell ya but evil is a philisophical construct, there is no evil atom, though there maybe an evil bit.
Each society/culture determines what it consideres to be evil, for over a hundred years the US was quite happy wiping out as many indian tribes it could get its hands on and then it decided that genocide was evil.
The brits declared the concentration camps of the Nazi holocaust evil, while only fifty years before hand the Boers had been shunted into similar camps.
Everything is relative my friend, the best you can do is work out what you personally believe in and hope that the majority agrees with you.
Okay I'm taking the bait here but let me summarize what I said for the hard of thinking.
Sun still rules certain ares such as Telecomms
Linux because of its open nature has the potential to grow into something that could very well knock out Sun
Now to your points
Linux is written by a bunch of amatuers (are you including the many, many developers from IBM, Sun, Novell etc etc?)
FreeBSD is not Open Source.
Pull your head out of whichever orrifice it is currently stuck and have a look around, Linux and other Open Source projects are doing a hell of a lot more than you think.
With Solaris, I can walk up to one of our StarFire servers, and rip out its beating heart
Thats because Sun is a hardware company that also sells software. It jas complete control over what goes into its boxes and the hardware specs, whereas most of the Linux sparc implementations have been written using the scraps thrown out by Sun or pure reverse engineering.
Nobody with an ounce of brains is going to deny that Sun still rules certain areas, Telecomms being one of them, but Linux is starting to get up there and by its very nature could quite easily be pushed beyond Solaris.
At least this evil is a much better root than money, and it gets rid of that embarrasment afterwards when you go to pay someone with the evil you just rooted...
Just a quick point, Allah = God = G-D (For the jewish on the board). It's amazing how many people forget that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all spring from the same source.
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Well we use "The Gimp" in our production suites to touch up images and do basic image editing. We also use "The Blender" to do our billboards.
I hate script kiddie M$ing as much as you do, but I have to disagree with following statement:
There is a reason something is the number one OS on the planet. It works.
The real reason MS has the number one desktop OS is not because "it works", its because MS has the largest marketing budget.
I think you're forgetting the Greebo Addendum to Schrodingers Cat: A cat in a box can be either 1. dead 2. alive or 3. bloody furious
Okay heres an example, one machine at work, patched up the whazoo, running the latest anti-virus and spyware combo, run as user level as opposed to Admin level and the damn thing still gets a spy-ware bundle droppped on it from a great height.
Takes two to threee hours to clean up and then we discover the damn thing is hiding on the network somewhere on another machine patched up the whazoo, anti-virus etc etc.
I never said Linux was the be all and end all of Operating System goodness. Linux has its own problems, mainly hack attacks against third party software packages. However I would put the Linux kernel up against the NT kernel security wise any day.
My astro-turfer comment refers to those who just use throw away lines and incredibly general statements in a bid to try and paint MS or any other product in a positive light. There are plenty of Linux astro-turfers on this site as well , and they annoy me for exactly the same reasons, general, uninformed statements thrown out at the first sign of an attack on their precioussss(whether it be linux, windows or OSX).
Telling all the stories you like about how your (or your mothers/wives/SO's) machine has never had a virus/spyware attack even though you never run anti-virus software nor a spyware detection suite isn't going to mnean a lot.
The simple fact is that many of the people on this board have to work with windows (from 95 to 2003) everyday and can tell you horror stories about machines that have been secured, reside behind a natting firewall, etc etc but still they get slapped down by the newest virus which has snuck in through a vulnerability which was patched three months ago.
The other area you seem to be missing is the inate ability of users to fuck things up, no matter how secure you make it. All it takes is one innocent click on a link and all of a sudden you have spyware coming out your nose.
Heres a question for you. Would your mother know what a virus or piece of spyware looks like?
Before you get all het up about the above comment, think about it. Most normal users wouldn't notice a problem until either their machine slowed to a crawl or nice little pop-ups started appearing offering either to grow their penises or access to sites where young women do interesting things with live stock.
Also is your mother on broadband or dialup? How is her update system managed? What sort of third party firewall software/hardware have you set up between your mothers machine and the internet? How is email managed? These are all questions that need to be answered before we can take your statement that your mothers machine is a prime example of the security of XP throug proper management.
We tried the whole multiple hominid species co-existing before,and true to form one beat the hell out of the other and now there is only one left.
Also evolving into seperate species may not necessarily help with regards to disease base catastrophic events. Cross species contanimation happens all to regularly for speciation to provide a barrier.
In the grand scheme of the universe humanity has sweet sod all significance, however to humanity, it s a little greater.
All animals strive towards continuation of the species with humanity no difference, hence we have a built in instinct which says humanity must go on (especially that bit of humanity that is you and your kin/clan/tribe/gamer group).
Of course, if all the plans to invade Australia are under copyright the Indonesians aren't going to be able to figure out how to do it!! It's brillaint!!
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Damn shit poo bugger crap damn aaaarrgggh.
Thankyou for listening
And us Australians who also use DVB based digital
I thik you are ignoring a basic fact re Closed Source efficiencies(sp?). With closed source you suffer from vendor lock in, with all the problems and upsides that entails - slow service, bugs not fixed in a timely manner, vendor going out of business, hugely expensive upgrade paths etc etc.
However with Open Source there is more of a chance that another vendor could step in to pick up the slack with a minumum of system breakage.
I guess what I am trying to say is that when considering ideas such as business model efficiency you have to take into account all aspects of the business relationship, from initial contact through to potential fuck ups on both sides.
And while we are at it we'll conveniantly forget that the only reason the insurgents are letting off bombs and mortars is because the Americans are there in the first place, way to destabalise a region dudes.
No I think "Alter" is correct as in they "Altered" virgins into non-virgins.
Sorry its late and I want to go home.
Gee whiz if its that easy I don't know why everyone isn't doing it.
Oh sorry yes I do, these are areas where people are trapped by poverty, crime and drugs. Move you say? How? They can't get jobs to get the money to move.
You really have no concept of how environmental factors affect people do you, no real understanding of human nature. If you grow up in a region where violence and anarchy are the norm then there is a more than decent chance you are going to get caught in the same trap.
Nobody is "trapped" in a ghetto. You really do not have a clue do you.
I'm sorry but I think the comparison is valid in the context of the argument I was making. At one point the British thought it was perfectly acceptable to lock up thousands of women and children in truly squalid conditions in order to force their husbands, borthers and sons to stop fighting. However as time went on the brits turned to thinking that camps such as these were "evil". Thus showing that the concpet of evil is really a matter of personal opinion rather than some universal constant that some make it out to be.
I hate to tell ya but evil is a philisophical construct, there is no evil atom, though there maybe an evil bit.
Each society/culture determines what it consideres to be evil, for over a hundred years the US was quite happy wiping out as many indian tribes it could get its hands on and then it decided that genocide was evil.
The brits declared the concentration camps of the Nazi holocaust evil, while only fifty years before hand the Boers had been shunted into similar camps.
Everything is relative my friend, the best you can do is work out what you personally believe in and hope that the majority agrees with you.
Yeah because paypal has proven themselves so trustworthy in the past.
Ummm nope Telstra only owns Big Pond. It has no media interests beyond Foxtel.
- Sun still rules certain ares such as Telecomms
- Linux because of its open nature has the potential to grow into something that could very well knock out Sun
Now to your points- Linux is written by a bunch of amatuers (are you including the many, many developers from IBM, Sun, Novell etc etc?)
- FreeBSD is not Open Source.
Pull your head out of whichever orrifice it is currently stuck and have a look around, Linux and other Open Source projects are doing a hell of a lot more than you think.With Solaris, I can walk up to one of our StarFire servers, and rip out its beating heart
Thats because Sun is a hardware company that also sells software. It jas complete control over what goes into its boxes and the hardware specs, whereas most of the Linux sparc implementations have been written using the scraps thrown out by Sun or pure reverse engineering.
Nobody with an ounce of brains is going to deny that Sun still rules certain areas, Telecomms being one of them, but Linux is starting to get up there and by its very nature could quite easily be pushed beyond Solaris.
These are breasts; this is source code. Why do you have a problem with those two things belonging to one person?
I have no problem so long as both are freely available for community inspection
At least this evil is a much better root than money, and it gets rid of that embarrasment afterwards when you go to pay someone with the evil you just rooted...
I'm going to go and have a lie down now
Just a quick point, Allah = God = G-D (For the jewish on the board). It's amazing how many people forget that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all spring from the same source.
Given the number of apps that break with SP2, wouldn't that be Upgrade AND Perish?