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Tougher Copyright Laws for Australia

smee2 writes "The Age reports Tougher copyright laws linked to the Australia-US free trade agreement (FTA) have been passed by the Australian parliament, AAP reports. The bill, which passed the Senate last night, will enable people other than copyright owners to force internet service providers to take down material allegedly infringing copyright."

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  1. the wild wild west by u-238 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that is the internet will not last forever. cherish it.

    1. Re:the wild wild west by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

      Huh? Does this mean any Dick Smith can censor the internet using a hotmail account?

    2. Re:the wild wild west by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it will. It'll just mutate, evolve, and be harder for the average person to find.

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    3. Re:the wild wild west by adeydas · · Score: 1

      slashdot should be sued because it quotes material from other sites... lousy law

    4. Re:the wild wild west by mgscheue · · Score: 1

      The Internet will not survive if people are forced to respect the intellectual property of others and not steal copyrighted material? That's just plain silly.

    5. Re:the wild wild west by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No the internet cannot survive, if people were forced to obey corrupt intellectual slavery laws.

      I"P" is censorship.

    6. Re:the wild wild west by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The following text has been found to be intellectual property belonging to another individual:

      "The Internet will not survive if people are forced to respect the intellectual property of others and not steal copyrighted material? That's just plain silly."

      In accordance with Australian law, I order Slashdot to remove it immidately or face legal action.

      Sincerely,
      IP Freely

    7. Re:the wild wild west by evilmousse · · Score: 1


      ianal, but slashdot's summaries seem so brief, i doubt any of them would be outside of fair use. of course, karma whores posting whole article texts, that might be different.

    8. Re:the wild wild west by Edie+O'Teditor · · Score: 0

      I don't understand. Who the fuck would want to copy Ausbloodytralia anyway?

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    9. Re:the wild wild west by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      ianal, but slashdot's summaries seem so brief, i doubt any of them would be outside of fair use. of course, karma whores posting whole article texts, that might be different.

      Australian copyright law has no concept of "fair use".

  2. Well, what do you expect... by Beolach · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the country that granted a patent on the wheel? Oh, and FP!

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    1. Re:Well, what do you expect... by UPi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Joke aside, Australia has a good reason to play nice with the United States. Remember that Australia has vast resources, is much richer than neighboring countries AND has very little in the way of a defense force. Compare it to Indonesia, and guess which would have reason to conquer the other.

      This puts a pressure on Australia to either build a greater army (not much chance with 20 million people vs 240 million) or seek powerful allies... Allies which have a political and economical stake.

    2. Re:Well, what do you expect... by deletedaccount · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think Australia should strengthen copyright to help defend itself from an Indonesian invasion force?

      Thats one to add to the '101 easy ways to win IP trials' manual. Are you on crack?

    3. Re:Well, what do you expect... by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He means Australia should make friends with the school bully in order to prevent getting the crap beaten out of it.

      And so to achieve this, what the school bully wants, the school bully gets.

    4. Re:Well, what do you expect... by cranos · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course, if all the plans to invade Australia are under copyright the Indonesians aren't going to be able to figure out how to do it!! It's brillaint!!

    5. Re:Well, what do you expect... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      M8 it's called geo-political advantage. We Aussies call it "suckinup" and Johnny is our champ at it. We do stupid shit like vote against Kyoto, support Isreal's state terror, and other such crap. Why? So the US doesn't look so fucking lonely at the UN. The "IP colonists" have been trying to use us as a testbed & springboard for a while now and have had some success. The BIG thing Australia has that the BIG boys want is strategic position.

      Obligitory: We do need overlords but I for one would much rather be welcoming back our EU overlords.

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    6. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was an "innovation patent", which isn't a real patent. They aren't fact checked. Innovation patents don't have the full force of real patents, they are more just a way of registering a small innovation so that nobody else claims it.

    7. Re:Well, what do you expect... by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet the Australian Govt refuse to sign a peace agreement with most of the countries around the Asia pacific area.

      Hmmm, we have fatter wallets, weaker defences, and yet we refuse to enter into peace with our neighbours.

      Eventually it will be The world versus Australia + America + England

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    8. Re:Well, what do you expect... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "School bully" my ass.

      Hell, over here we call that kind of relationship "Prison Wife."

    9. Re:Well, what do you expect... by anonieuweling · · Score: 1

      And this requires very restrictive copyright law? Pff. Nice place and time we're living in.

    10. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1
      Eventually it will be The world versus Australia + America + England

      You mean Oceana versus EastAsia and EurAsia. Because we've always been at war with EastAsia and EurAsia.

    11. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget all the other countries that Bush had supporting him... Tuvalu... Kibati... American Samoa...

    12. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Obligitory: We do need overlords but I for one would much rather be welcoming back our EU overlords.

      You're out of luck. Tony's Bliar's too busy trying to get us to welcome our EU overlords.

    13. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We do stupid shit like vote against Kyoto

      If you like having your economy regulated then go ahead and vote for Kyoto. Kyoto is the means by which your EU overlords attempt to govern your economic prosperity, and since those EU overlords are global socialists trying to redistribute wealth your wealth to some undeserving nation who will squander it, save yourself and your country. Australia made the right choice.

      support Isreal's state terror

      Moral equivalence. If you can't tell the difference between someone who straps bombs to himself and blows up innocent school children and someone who demolishes his house in return, you've been warped by the global sissies. This is how they make it acceptable to crash planes into buildings, blow up embassies, take school children hostage and murder them, and decapitate citizens of other countries among many other things

      So the US doesn't look so fucking lonely at the UN

      The UN is the only place where common base thug can put on a $4000 suit and be considered a statesman by the rest of the world. Apparently, Australia can tell the difference between those two

    14. Re:Well, what do you expect... by krist0 · · Score: 1

      don't forget poland :)

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    15. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can't tell the difference between someone who straps bombs to himself and blows up innocent school children and someone who demolishes his house in return, you've been warped by the global sissies. This is how they make it acceptable to crash planes into buildings, blow up embassies, take school children hostage and murder them, and decapitate citizens of other countries among many other things

      BS. Opposition to Israeli violence against Palestinians and opposition to Palestinian violence against Israelis are not mutually exclusive.
      Though you are taking it a step further, and equating disaproval of Israeli violence with approval of terrorism in general. This is completely absurd. Some of us are opposed to the killing of innocents, for whatever cause, be it 'Islam' or 'the War On Terror'.
      The reason the GP mentioned only Israeli violence is that the US and some of its allies actively support this violence.

      The UN is the only place where common base thug can put on a $4000 suit and be considered a statesman by the rest of the world.

      It's not the only place - what about the White House? Oh yeah, no one considers him a statesman, never mind.

    16. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Oceana versus EastAsia and EurAsia. Because we've always been at war with EastAsia and EurAsia.

      Actually that's starting to look not at all far fetched. The three big economic blocs are the US, EU and Asia. The UK is very close to the US (Oceania, while the EU is pushing out in to Eastern Europe and may eventually include Russia (Eurasia). China, India and Japan, while not as close-knit, would make up EastAsia.

      And BTW, we have always been at war with Eastasia... but we have always been allied with Eurasia. and 2+2=5.

    17. Re:Well, what do you expect... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Joke aside, Australia has a good reason to play nice with the United States. Remember that Australia has vast resources, is much richer than neighboring countries AND has very little in the way of a defense force. Compare it to Indonesia, and guess which would have reason to conquer the other.
      This puts a pressure on Australia to either build a greater army (not much chance with 20 million people vs 240 million) or seek powerful allies...


      There is a third option. Have suitable WMDs. Governemnts tend to be reluctant to invade states capable of obliterating them. It's one thing for a head of state to order soldiers (especially conscript soldiers) to war, but quite another issue when such people are putting their own lives on the line.
      Give the RAAF the ability to destroy harderned bunkers and Indonesia having a bigger army becomes a lot less relevent.

    18. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the bulk of country of Russia is european anyway. The russian federation (former USSR) stretches across asia, but europe ends at the Ural mountains. Russia, until the communist revolution, was very much a part of "old europe", the Tsars a part of the inbred european nobility freakshow, etc.

    19. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      BS. Opposition to Israeli violence against Palestinians and opposition to Palestinian violence against Israelis are not mutually exclusive. Though you are taking it a step further, and equating disaproval of Israeli violence with approval of terrorism in general. This is completely absurd. Some of us are opposed to the killing of innocents, for whatever cause, be it 'Islam' or 'the War On Terror'.
      The reason the GP mentioned only Israeli violence is that the US and some of its allies actively support this violence


      If this were the case he would have mentioned Palestinian violence against Israel. It also shows the anti-american sentiment he had because the whole post was complaining about how Australia is the US bitch. The killing of innocents is wrong, but not defending yourself when attacked, inaction and acquiesence in the face of intimidation, is wrong, which is why it is supported by the US and Israel's allies.

      It's not the only place - what about the White House? Oh yeah, no one considers him a statesman, never mind.

      You're so witty... I'm sure the globalists, Soros, and Chomsky would love to give you a cookie for that gem of insight.

      If your concern is with his foreign policy, grow up. One murder in the Netherlands by a radical has the people up in arms and ready to close the borders to muslim immigrants. United States borders are still open to all. Three thousand were dead here the US is retalliating against those who were committed the acts.

      If your concern is with the fact that he isn't a great orator, do you really need to be an orator to be a President? No. Many former great Presidents have had this more personable quality.

      If your concern is with domestic policy, stop getting information from moveon.org, and democratic underground, and you'll see that it is the time for entreprenuers to rise in the US and start innovating again with the same vigor that made it great.

    20. Re:Well, what do you expect... by tjstork · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      BS^2. I used to support the Palestinian cause, but then Arafat walked out of Camp David with a pretty sweet deal and started the Intifadah. Then, having trashed getting a Palestinian state that they claimed to wanted, the Palestinians danced in the streets to celebrate Sept 11th. My gut reaction then, was, not "oh dear, why do they hate us", but, "they hate us, kill them all."

      Just read a Palestinian newspaper and see for yourself. American devils, jackals, demon consorters, I've seen enough and heard it all. It's time to let Israel evacuate Gaza and unilaterally declare a Palestinian state, and if those bomb wearing fools in the middle east can't run it, then to hell with them.

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    21. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep you're absolutely right. Johnny is your champ at it. So don't re-elect him...oh wait....

    22. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Further investigation will actually show that the patent was revoked

    23. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you suggesting that if Canada invaded America, stayed there for 40 years and then said "You can have it back now... but we're keeping California and New York", a US president like George W would say "Yeah, sweet deal. Where do I sign?"

      Gaza is small change. The West Bank and Jerusalem are what it's all about. If Israel wants to unilaterally pull out of the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, then it should go right ahead. But they won't because God gave it to them. Moses said so, so it must be true.

    24. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, don't forget Canada. We're America's bitch too!

    25. Re:Well, what do you expect... by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      What amazes me is that lying, cheating John Howard won the recent election. The dumbing down process that let Bush win in the US must have prgressed even further in Australia.......where Howard's many and several lies, about kids being thrown into the sea and other matters, actually WERE covered in the media......while the lapdog American media gave Bush a free pass.

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    26. Re:Well, what do you expect... by neonmagic · · Score: 1

      well why don't you learn a bit about history first. Firstly, Israel illegally invaded palestine territory, taking the golan heights with it. It was not condoned by the UN, nor was the Israelis made to vacate the invaded territory or face economic sanctions? Why? Cos the mighty fucked up US of A was pulling the UN strings and wants Israel as a US ally and base of operations for all things middle east. Israel most certainly has thermonuclear weapons, do I see the US bullying them? No. They prefer to bully Iran, Iraq, illegally invade Iraq, bully North Korea. Where was the US when the Russians were terrorising Afghanistan? Or when the Russians were murdering Chezhneyans? mmm? The US only likes to pick on small, powerless nations, because it's a bully. I don't give a fuck what yankees say about their precious nation, they're so blinded by so called 'patriotism' that they fail to see what their country does do wrong. Where does the US get the ability to ignore the Geneva convention of prisoners of war? Hold individuals and withhold legal aide? Poor conditions? tortue them? Obtain false statements via torture? mmm? If you believe the US isn't guilty of any of this you're a fucking moron. Pulling out of the UN election monitoring system? Pulling out of the global nuclear body? The US does its own thing. It bullies other countries into either joining it, or being screwed over. Iran anyone in 1956? A us funded CIA operated political kooh de tah to take out a person who was elected by the Iranian people democratically, all because he didn't like the US way of doing things and wasn't their poppet. The UN is a bunch of fuckwits. The US, Australia and Great Britain should have been expulsed from the UN for their illegal invasion of Iraq, with full economic sanctions. Did it happen? No. The UN veto system is a joke. Howard is a dirty lying, low down, bush cock-sniffing cunt as far as i'm concerned, and i'd gladly donate to the bin laden fund to assassinate both blair, bush jr and howard. The sooner the world is rid of these moronic idiots the better and I don't really care how it's done. Unlike you wanker, I don't post anonymously. I proudly vaunt my anti US/Israel stances. I proudly vaunt my anti UN stances. I'm well and tired of sucking up to yankee governments. I'm sick and tired of my own government selling out. For those others that read my post, I do apologise for my language, but the parent really pissed me off something badly. Dave

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    27. Re:Well, what do you expect... by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      Hear that pounding on the door? That's the Ministry of Truth organising your erasure...

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    28. Re:Well, what do you expect... by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, Johnny's excuse for not signing the agreement was that he wanted to reserve the right to preemptive strikes on terrorist bases in neighbouring nations. This was mentioned by the Foreign Minister a few months ago, but hosed down quickly.

      So sorry Indonesia et al, we won't sign a non-aggression treaty because we may need to bomb you one day soon.

      Well, at least it's honest. Certain other allies would sign the treaty and go 'Bombs away!' regardless.

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    29. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Ok I guess this is where I begin: paragraphs. Try using them.

      Paragraphs are the least of your problems however: "The US only likes to pick on small, powerless nations, because it's a bully." Vietnam. North Korea. Japan. Nazi Germany. Russia.

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    30. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The American media gave bush a free pass?

      Wow. Somebody watched alot of American newscasts and read American newspapers. One can't live in reality and believe that to be true.

    31. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was not condoned by the UN, nor was the Israelis made to vacate the invaded territory or face economic sanctions? Why? Cos the mighty fucked up US of A was pulling the UN strings and wants Israel as a US ally and base of operations for all things middle east.

      This makes no sense. Okay so, they didn't condone it, but they didn't stop it... so they condone it. That's a clear and valid point. Despite what global socialism has taught, the United States is NOT, and never was, an imperialist country.

      Israel most certainly has thermonuclear weapons, do I see the US bullying them? No. They prefer to bully Iran, Iraq, illegally invade Iraq, bully North Korea.

      Israel doesn't need to be bullied; they are a US ally, because they are a free democracy not ruled by tryants, militants, or radicals. Iran and North Korea are countries who would gladly see nuclear weapons in the hands of the enemies of its enemies. Let's not forget that Iraq has been subject to 17 resolutions against its producing weapons over the past 10 or so years, they kicked out UN weapons inspectors repeatedly, sent their nuclear program to Lybia, attempted to gain yellow cake from Nigeria, bought off veto power from France with oil for food money, gassed its citizens and threw them in mass graves, tortured its people, and invaded the neighboring country of Kuwait to name a few. This is not the record of a free, peaceful democracy. Don't try to tell me the invasion was illegal. Stop trying to morally equivocate the US with Iraq, because it's horse shit.

      ?Where was the US when the Russians were terrorising Afghanistan? Or when the Russians were murdering Chezhneyans? mmm?

      We were off winning an arms race and a political race, so the world isn't under communist control. Sorry.

      The US only likes to pick on small, powerless nations, because it's a bully.

      Yes, powerless nations like Germany and the Soviet Union. We are bullies, yes... because we don't want to see nuclear weapons, sarin, and vx in the hands of those who threaten peace and stability in the world. The "War on Terror" is but a mere skirmish in the face of what we would have to endure if those groups acquired weaponry.

      Where does the US get the ability to ignore the Geneva convention of prisoners of war? Hold individuals and withhold legal aide? Poor conditions? tortue them? Obtain false statements via torture? mmm?

      Poor conditions, what we didn't give them cable tv?? Give me a break. As far as I'm concerned, foreign nationals who murder Americans are not bound to the same rules as peaceful individuals. Give me examples of torture, and don't say Abu Ghraib, because I've seen college parties worse than that. Prove that the US has used torture to gain false statements, and don't give me some commie references.

      Pulling out of the UN election monitoring system?

      FREE DEMOCRACIES/REPUBLICS DO NOT NEED ELECTION MONITORING. Bush won in 2000, and four ndependent recounts confirmed it. Bush won in 2004, with more votes than any presidential candidate in history and against ACT, ACORN, and NAACPVF attempted voter fraud.

      The US, Australia and Great Britain should have been expulsed from the UN for their illegal invasion of Iraq, with full economic sanctions. Did it happen? No

      That's too bad, because what would the UN be without the United States to do most of its funding since its inception. Add to that the fact that our "allies" were on the take from the oil for food program who in return for monetary gains promised UN veto power over US action against Iraq. Everyone knows that the US did the right thing with Iraq and the war on terror, but they've been bought off. Saddam made over 20 billion dollars from the oil for palaces program and what did he do with the money but subjugate his people instead of promoting their ascension into the modern world, all the while under the supervision of Kofi Annan and his son, who refuse to take part in an independ

    32. Re:Well, what do you expect... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      M8, good to see passion against injustice, but

      "i'd gladly donate to the bin laden fund to assassinate both blair, bush jr and howard."

      doing that means one more person "picking sides". I would like to see B.L. locked up but certainly not executed. I would like to see Goverments (particularly the big boys) attempting to eradicate both small and large arms rather than actively boosting thier sales. I would like a global set of trading rules that enhances the environment and shares the wealth. This can never be done unless we all stop taking sides as if armed-conflict and famine is somehow the victims fault.

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    33. Re:Well, what do you expect... by neonmagic · · Score: 1

      bleh didn't realise that I was on html formatted setting. I did actually use paragraphs but the formatting blew it away.

      Dave

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    34. Re:Well, what do you expect... by neonmagic · · Score: 1

      Quote: "This makes no sense. Okay so, they didn't condone it, but they didn't stop it... so they condone it. That's a clear and valid point. Despite what global socialism has taught, the United States is NOT, and never was, an imperialist country.
      "
      Double standards plain and simple. OK to not allow invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, but OK to allow Israel to invade Palestine. Double standards. You can argue all you want you have no case. It's no fact that Israel is the US' largest middle eastern ally. There's also no hidden fact that the US has supplied arms to Israel. Neither invasion was legal.

      Quote: "Israel doesn't need to be bullied; they are a US ally, because they are a free democracy not ruled by tryants, militants, or radicals"

      Really? The behaviour of the Israelis in ghaza is appalling (but then the Palestinians haven't been much better). Israeli soldiers go in and wipe anything out that moves in retaliation.

      Quote: "We were off winning an arms race and a political race, so the world isn't under communist control. Sorry.".

      Please! Don't make me laugh. Lame excuse.

      Quote: "Yes, powerless nations like Germany and the Soviet Union"

      Ahh yes. WWII. Germany had France, England, USSR, Australia, Holland and the US of A hammering it. If Hitler had been smarter and delayed the invasion of the USSR he'd have crushed them. If Hitler had managed to get his hands on fully developed atomic bomb first the US and England would have been history. Thankfully he didn't. It wasn't the sole intervention of the US that saved the world my friend.

      Quote: "As far as I'm concerned, foreign nationals who murder Americans are not bound to the same rules as peaceful individuals".

      Wow. So youre the jury, judge and executiorer. For a country that supposedly values the rights of an individual, that's really out of line. Oh and guess what, your federal courts are vastly disagreeing with your Bush jr. government and indicating that the a lot of the legislation bought in by Bush jr has been unconstitutional. Every individual has the right to a fair trial.

      Quote: "FREE DEMOCRACIES/REPUBLICS DO NOT NEED ELECTION MONITORING."

      Rubbish. NO country is safe for election fraud. It's well known that their was fraud in Florida in 2001, and fraud in Ohio in 2004. That the US government has pressured investigations to be kept quiet speaks glaringly to the rest of the world.

      Quote: "That's too bad, because what would the UN be without the United States to do most of its funding since its inception"

      You mean bribery right? If the UN has voted on no invasion, then you should respect the vote. Personally, Hussein was a madman that needed to be kept in check, but the US should have waited to invade after the UN had approved it. Then i'd have been fine with the invasion. As I was in 1991 gulf war. We might as well get rid of the UN right now, because the US has shown that it will plainly ignore mandates from the UN if it doesn't suit its own needs.

      Quote: "If those combating terrorism, taking an aggressive stance instead of waiting to be attacked when it is too late, were gone, you would all live in a peaceful society correct?"

      Stop and think why the US is despised by most of the rest of the world. Go on. Whilst terrorism isn't good, a lot of the terrorism that is affecting the US is only affecting the US, and quite plainly because of the behaviour of the US at the international level. That hate is only going to grow as long as the US takes the sort of action that it's doing now. Remember Abraham Lincoln? His comments of the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make them your friend ring to mind.

      Quote: "Why do I need an account to post legitimately?"

      ACs should be banned from making comments. Put your money where your mouth is or shot up and slinker back under the rock where you crawled out of.

      Dave

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    35. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      I took the time to read your post with its lack of paragraphs and all.. as I said, the least of its problems was the lack of paragraphs. Could you respond to the main point I brought up in my post?

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    36. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double standards plain and simple. OK to not allow invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, but OK to allow Israel to invade Palestine. Double standards. You can argue all you want you have no case.

      Aggressors vs. defenders. This is why no one understands the second amendment of the US Constitution. It's not a double standard when you are defending yourself and your people. Words mean nothing if you aren't prepared to back it up, and the Israeli's are by taking an aggressive stance against terrorism on their people. And remember the Palestinians declared war on Israel after the instantiation of the Israeli state. They are aggressors.

      Please! Don't make me laugh. Lame excuse

      Very insightful response. If you're going to say something or have an opinion, back it up. And the US supplied weapons to the the Afghani's to fight against the Russians, the same ones they were using against the US 3 years ago.

      Ahh yes. WWII. Germany had France, England, USSR, Australia, Holland and the US of A hammering it

      France hammering Germany... Wow. France was conquered in under 2 weeks. England was being pummeled by V2's and U-boats. Hitler was poised to stomp all over Europe and North Africa, don't make it seem like the US didn't have THE pivotal role in winning the war.

      Rubbish. NO country is safe for election fraud. It's well known that their was fraud in Florida in 2001, and fraud in Ohio in 2004

      Well known by whom?? Those are the same liberals that have kept the poor on a government plantation of welfare for the past 30 years?

      No voters were disenfranchised. If there were, why have they not been able to bring forward ONE, JUST ONE, person who was disenfranchised? Because they work on heresay and conjecture, and they feed the people what they want to hear. That they are being kept down and oppressed, not that their situation is the result of their problems.

      Ohio had fraud. How many counties had +100% voter registration because of ANSWER, a known communist group, as well as ACT and ACORN, one of which paid 50 dollars a head for registrations, and who showed the movie F 9/11 to impressionable college kids and then after the movie had a registration table set up by college democrats to register them. And that movie is loaded with lies and inaccuracies and context removed statements.

      All that fraud is done by the globalist, socialist friends of Karl Marx who BELIEVE the election was stolen, and by that they have every right to "steal it back." They employed every trick in the marxist playbook to do it.

      We can do election monitoring ourselves. We don't need the same body that takes oil for food bribes from a dictator who murders his own people, allows genocide to go on in rwanda and sudan, and allows nuclear material into the hands of nutcases to govern our elections.

      You mean bribery right? If the UN has voted on no invasion, then you should respect the vote. Personally, Hussein was a madman that needed to be kept in check, but the US should have waited to invade after the UN had approved it.

      Bribery? The only bribes are coming from a tyrant, AND THE BODY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT TOLERANCE AND LIBERTY DEALT WITH HIM.

      The US would have never got a mandate for invasion, because France was on the take in the oil for palaces program, and in turn promised Hussein to use their veto power to negate UN-sanctioned US action. The vote was corrupted, and the US did what was right and what everyone knew needed to be done without ignorance to the corruption in the sanctioning body.

      His comments of the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make them your friend

      Look where that got us with Palestine. The bosom buddies of Clinton and Arafat resulted in what, nothing. You don't make friends with hostiles, they will stab you in the back.

      ACs should be banned from making comments

      Typical globalist marxist thinking. It's okay to be open and express ideas, as long as they are that of everyone else and we know where to find your dissenters so we can promptly send you to political re-education. I'll post AC if I choose to.

    37. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. So youre the jury, judge and executiorer. For a country that supposedly values the rights of an individual, that's really out of line. Oh and guess what, your federal courts are vastly disagreeing with your Bush jr. government and indicating that the a lot of the legislation bought in by Bush jr has been unconstitutional. Every individual has the right to a fair trial.

      Yes, every decision made by the courts is the correct constitutional interpretation of the law.

      Oh you mean like the 9th circuit?
      Our federal courts have been overrun with activist judges who use varying loophole interpretations of law to advance their liberal causes and engineer a nanny/welfare society.

      Some of the legislation in the Patriot Act is, yes, a violation of the rights of men, but in a time such as the US has been through, it was a necessary tool to enforce the laws efficiently. There is not one US citizen who has had their rights horribly infringed upon by that legislation. It needs to be tweaked.

      And I'm speaking about the rights of an AMERICAN, who does not commit treason or attack the nation. If you aren't an American and attack it, you have declared war on America, and war time enemies should be killed. If you are an American accused of treason, you have the right to a trial by your peers and upon judgment, executed, imprisoned, or cleared of charges.

    38. Re:Well, what do you expect... by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      What amazes me is that lying, cheating John Howard won the recent election.

      It's not amazing at all, just look at the alternative.

      Labour might have even had a (slim) chance, right up until "Medicare Gold" and the Tasmanian forests fiasco.

      You can't (yet) win an election in Australia on largely irrelevant touchy-feely subjects and, to put it bluntly, the Liberals have overseen the most prosperous times in Australia's history.

      I'll admit I was surprised they won majority in the Senate (and boy, aren't we going to pay for that when they sell off Telstra) but I wasn't surprised they won the election.

      What amazed (and disappointed) me about the last election was the marginalising tendencies of the electorate - the growth of the far right/left parties (Family First and Greens) and the death of probably the only nearly-straight-down-the-middle party (Democrats). I'd thought (hoped) Australia was above the sort of petty tit-for-tat side-taking found in American society.

      where Howard's many and several lies, about kids being thrown into the sea and other matters, actually WERE covered in the media......while the lapdog American media gave Bush a free pass.

      That's because by and large those episodes were irrelevant. What matters to the Australian electorate is economic prosperity.

    39. Re:Well, what do you expect... by Matt_Joyce · · Score: 1

      What's amazing about a small, greedy and largley zenaphobic nation wanting a conservative leader who has the favour of the King of thge World ?

      Labour might have had a chance, but they were too scared of losing votes to upset anyone.

      We have the FTA *becuase* labour supported it, australia will pay for that mistake.

  3. Kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't Sharman Networks based in Australia? I wonder if this will affect Kazaa.

    1. Re:Kazaa by EvilCabbage · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Certainly is, and $5 says it will.

      Time for me to start posting short home made movies on my site with catchy titles, like "irobot.avi" and "titanic.mpeg".

      I'll take the pepsi challenge with these fuckers any day of the week.

    2. Re:Kazaa by Propagandhi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even if Kazaa is shut down by these new laws (or some others already on the books or in the queue*) will it really affect P2P traffic?

      Personally, I don't even use Kazaa anymore; it's so overrun with half downloaded songs and mislabeled files that it's nearly useless and better alternatives are already in place to grab the standard should/when Kazaa fall(s). In fact, cleaning out the dregs that the Kazaa network has become will only increase the efficiency of the P2P machine.

      Sites like Suprnova and Shareconnector verify the content before providing links to the torrent or donkey file, eliminating the possiblity of a mislabeled or otherwise misleading file. Sure, the speed can be slightly slower, but faster alternatives (Bearshare, Ares) are also available for the speed freaks. And unlike Kazaa, these newer apps are willing to share networks, rather than trying to corner the market.

      Napster showed us that killing a single app (even one as prevalent as Napster was) hardly interferes with the P2P machine, I don't think any legislation will manage to slow it down.

      * denotes bad P2P joke

    3. Re:Kazaa by B747SP · · Score: 3, Informative
      Isn't Sharman Networks based in Australia?

      They're legally a Vanuatuan (sp? - based in Vanuatu - french South Pacific) company IIRC. Big chunks of their company operate out of Australia though. As you prolly know, they're battling something or other out with someone or other in the Australian courts at the moment.

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    4. Re:Kazaa by Agret · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sites like Suprnova and Shareconnector verify the content before providing links to the torrent or donkey file, eliminating the possiblity of a mislabeled or otherwise misleading file.
      You are mis-imformed my friend. suprnova doesn't verify the contents of a file. There was a CSS wallhack on there that was actually a pass stealer. Which I used Ethereal to grab the pass to the FTP it uploaded to and got myself some Half-Life 2 Steam Accounts.

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    5. Re:Kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time on Survivor: Vanuatu! The two competing teams must administer the Fastrack network. You won't believe the results! Be there!

    6. Re:Kazaa by Talez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kazaa is a funny thing.

      It's registered in Vanauatu. The entire thing is coded by outsourced coding team LEF Interactive.

      When users clickthrough the Kazaa EULA they are bound by the laws of New South Wales. Everything about the company is basically mercenary, even the CEO.

    7. Re:Kazaa by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      They can't afford to verify the contents of the file...

      once they start doing that, they open themselves up to charges of contributing/assisting/ whatever copyright infringement unless they actually go to the trouble of determining if the uploader has got permission from the copyright holder to distribute the material.

      Currently their get out clause is on the upload page and in the terms of use where the uploader is not supposed to upload the torrent unless they actually have permission to distribute the material.

      The downloader is only supposed to be accessing the material for educational purposes only and is supposed to delete and all copies once they've finished viewing/testing it

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    8. Re:Kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be more inclined to think they've got their own country if that's the case... sort of like sealand.

      The king of Tonga was selling 1m^2 rack space as independant soverign nations at one point.

    9. Re:Kazaa by LardBrattish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And of course the BEST bit about Vanuatu is it is illegal (punishable by imprisonment) to ask who owns a limited company there. Perfect for people who want a little anonymity - Like Kazaa.

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    10. Re:Kazaa by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the paperwork says (very conveniently) that it's based in Vanuatu.

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  4. Potential Problem? by smclean · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So is it then illegal to send notices to companies making allegations of copyright violations which are not true? If not, then a good way to get this law removed or modified would be to send out hundreds of e-mail to websites alleging copyright violation where there is none taking place. It would become common practice to ignore such requests, and those that were 'legitimate' would be lost in the crowd. The expense to businesses would be enormous and the law would be modified.

    Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Potential Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see this as a posible way to silence people. If they say something you don't like, just claim that they are infringing on a copyright. I'm sure you could find something somewhere for anything.

    2. Re:Potential Problem? by shahruz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey! That is my post. We need to remove it from the internet. :)

    3. Re:Potential Problem? by mvdw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought exactly this approach when I skimmed the article (some 3 hours before it appeared on slashdot, mind). However, I was thinking more along the lines of alleging copyright abuse on government sites, rather than companies'.

    4. Re:Potential Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      > Am I missing something?

      The organization, and coordination, to do this on a wide enough front to have any effect. Although Slashdot is quite the pot for brewing, rarely anything actually gets cooked.

      I had someone with a grudge pretending to be a lawyer write a letter to my webhost demanding my site be taken down. The bar association didn't have enough to bring him up on practicing without a license but it was enough for my webhost to remove content.

    5. Re:Potential Problem? by LardBrattish · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, a Perlscript to trawl through websites looking for keywords then sending automated cease & desist e-mails. Very easy. Doesn't the MPAA have this at the moment?

      A couple of motivated nerds could get this idiotic policy withdrawn in a few days. Why it hasn't been done already in America to make the legislation unworkable is a mystery.

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  5. Our new overlords.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article:

    Tougher copyright laws passed
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    December 8, 2004 - 9:30AM
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    Tougher copyright laws linked to the Australia-US free trade agreement (FTA) have been passed by parliament, AAP reports.

    The bill, which passed the Senate last night, will enable people other than copyright owners to force internet service providers to take down material allegedly infringing copyright.

    The internet industry raised concerns in a brief inquiry held overnight that the changes could bog down the industry with automated copyright claims.

    The bill also made minor and technical amendments to the Copyright Act and the FTA implementation laws to improve Australia's implementation of its copyright obligations.

    The changes followed last-minute talks between Australia and the US to finalise the FTA which takes effect on January 1.

    The FTA for the first time gave performers economic and moral rights in sound recordings.

    A number of criminal offences were broadened to target copyright breaches for financial gain or commercial advantage and significant infringements on a commercial scale.
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    New provisions were introduced in relation to the unauthorised receipt and use or distribution of encoded broadcasts.

    And the term of protection for copyright material was extended by 20 years.

    The Australian Greens and Democrats voted against the bill, saying it would impact on freedom of speech and media diversity on the internet.

    Sam Varghese adds:

    Internet Industry Association chief executive Peter Coroneos said the bill had passed after Trade Minister Mark Vaile had exchanged a letter with his Opposition counterpart Simon Crean, pledging to work with the industry in drafting regulations that would "take the sting out of the bill."

    Asked whether the US would not object to such watering down, Coroneos said it was a case of treading another fine line. "We are meeting Mr Vaile tonight in Canberra to work on the regulations which would be used to soften the bill," he said.

    He said the bill was likely to go to the executive council by the 16th.

    Asked whether the Americans would not object to such "regulations", Coroneos said he had no comment about what the reaction would be on the US side.

    He said the IIA had been working with the negotiators for the last 18 months and had reached agreement on suitable copyright provisions, acceptable to the Australian industry, in July.

    Coroneos said the changes - introduced because of section 154 of the US Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act 2004 - which had the internet industry up in arms, was shown to him only last Thursday.

    "It may look like a last-minute effort but it is not," he said.


    Reading the article, it seems like the people in Canberra are like dogs, looking up to their masters and asking if they can do this, or that..

    It's truly a sad day for all Australians

    1. Re:Our new overlords.. by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A bit of a broad brush, perhaps. Please don't say "the people in Canberra". I'm a Canberran, I'm not a politician and I'm certainly not a dog.

      I utterly despise US style copyright. It's a travesty of freedom.

      Copyright should be there to encourage authors - how does paying their publisher 70 years yonder help the author?

      Under the previous Australian system authors got 50 years after their death, companies got 50 years from date of publication. May terrible things happen to those who put Australia in the position we're now in.

    2. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'people in Canberra' are largely a bunch of hard working people who suffer under the fools that the Australian electorate sends there.

    3. Re:Our new overlords.. by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      And the publisher pays the royalties to the author's estate, or am I crazy?

    4. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that's a Copyright protected article mister! That's it, I'm suing Slashdot, OSDN, every single ISP on the planet that carried packets to Slashdot users who are reading this and every single backbone and satellite operator who peers to those ISPs!

    5. Re:Our new overlords.. by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1
      It's truly a sad day for all Australians

      It is sad, but it's not Canberra's fault. It's our fault. Section 17 of the FTA went pretty much unchallenged by the electorate, and this is our reward for falling asleep at the wheel. I wrote an article on this for Dissent ( you can read some of my scratchy notes I took for it here ) which is on the news-stands now, and even that was an exercise in futility - by the time I'd finished writing it, the deal was done.

      Yup, I'm sure looking forward to taking down my DMCA-alike violating documents on January 1. As George Lowe was fond of saying, we got "Boned by the Master".

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    6. Re:Our new overlords.. by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      whenever we read news about "the industry said this or that", who are they talking about? I am in the industry and no-one ever consulted me about anything? not that I'd expect a terrorist government like ours to care what it's citizens think.

    7. Re:Our new overlords.. by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      I am wondering if things already in the public domain will suddently leave the public domain after January 1st? ie: gone with the wind?

    8. Re:Our new overlords.. by kingj02 · · Score: 1

      Gentlewhisperr's post is in violation of The Age Company Ltd's copyright on that artical. I demand that Slashdot remove the post!

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    9. Re:Our new overlords.. by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1

      Australian Copyright Commission Information Sheet G23 states that this will not be the case - see "Key Point" #5. Screw their linking policy.

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    10. Re:Our new overlords.. by tqft · · Score: 1

      Gone With The Wind US copyright holders have already bitch slapped Project Gutenberg australia

      http://blog.librarylaw.com/librarylaw/2004/11/emgo ne_with_the.html/

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    11. Re:Our new overlords.. by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      thankfully they had the sense to put that in there, however there is that other stupid law, someone can just claim it violates copyright regardless of whether it does or not

    12. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I got a 404 on that link -- it works if you take the / off the end.

    13. Re:Our new overlords.. by microsnot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The Australian Greens and Democrats voted against the bill, saying it would impact on freedom of speech and media diversity on the internet." Strange that they should say that, especially when we don't have freedom of speech in our bill of rights.

    14. Re:Our new overlords.. by mpe · · Score: 1

      I utterly despise US style copyright. It's a travesty of freedom.
      Copyright should be there to encourage authors - how does paying their publisher 70 years yonder help the author?


      The biggest irony here being that US copyright only exists in order to promote publication in the first place...

      Under the previous Australian system authors got 50 years after their death,

      Are there actually any recorded cases of authors saying, "I'm not going to write, unless the copyright outlives me by X decades"?

    15. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there actually any recorded cases of authors saying, "I'm not going to write, unless the copyright outlives me by X decades"?

      Yes, but the recordings are all copyrighted. :o)

    16. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. I'm off to patent John Howard, then sue the Liberal party for operating one without a licence.

    17. Re:Our new overlords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      May terrible things happen to those who put Australia in the position we're now in.
      I hope the authorities are keeping a close watch on you. That sounds like a terrorist threat.
    18. Re:Our new overlords.. by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      We don't even have a Bill of Rights in our Bill of Rights.

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    19. Re:Our new overlords.. by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 1

      The way the system seems to work at the moment is publisher says "I'll give you $xxx for that manuscript" Author says "Hey, I want to eat this week, okay". Author signs away all rights except the moral right to be identified as the author. Publisher gives them not a cent after that. In some cases the author gets a contract of $xxx up front plus $.xx for each copy sold. Better but. As to authors writing only for the money for the nth generation of grandchildren! US style copyright is for the Disneys of the world, not the authors and artists that need to worry about feeding their family.

    20. Re:Our new overlords.. by Vombatus · · Score: 1

      Prior art, surely

      Just search for the 1950s

      Oops, thats right, prior art doesnt count for some patents.

      I work in Canberra too (just down the road from Parliament House) so don't tar me with the same brush.

      note to self - dont forget to click on that post anonymously thingo, you are a public servant after all. Ooops, too late

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    21. Re:Our new overlords.. by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Sounds kinda like the way it works for "salaried" programmers.

    22. Re:Our new overlords.. by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Under the previous Australian system authors got 50 years after their death, companies got 50 years from date of publication. May terrible things happen to those who put Australia in the position we're now in.

      Um, the difference between 50 years after the author's death and 70 years is largely semantic... "The previous Australian system" was (and remains) far more strict than US copyright law (eg: format- and time-shifting in Australia are copyright violations), it just had marginally shorter timeframes. The _principle_ - "US style copyright" - behind it was/is identical.

      Really, there's no justifiable reason whatsoever for copyright to extend past the death of the author (hell, there's little justifiable reason for it to last for more than a very brief period of time).

  6. From TFA... by ttys00 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Asked whether the US would not object to such watering down, Coroneos said it was a case of treading another fine line. "We are meeting Mr Vaile tonight in Canberra to work on the regulations which would be used to soften the bill," he said.

    Who cares if the US objects to laws in Australia? How is it any of the their business?

    1. Re:From TFA... by Jarr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wish it were that simple, but increasingly over the past years Australia has been turning more and more to the US for "guidance" and in return the US has had things to say on Australian policy on more than one occasion (including their preference for our current government over the opposition, in our recent elections). The sad thing is that Australians seem to listen; we can't seem to think for ourselves anymore, and everything has to have the approval of the US. It's just about to the point where the US elections were more important to us than our own. It's be nice if our Government had the balls (or brains) to think on its own.

    2. Re:From TFA... by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

      Who cares if the US objects to laws in Australia? How is it any of the their business?

      Exactly!

      I don't mind people calling me a dork or a geek, or in this case.. God forbid, an American!

      But if we are going to be America's bitch at least give us American broadband prices instead of what Tel$tra is currently ripping us off on!

    3. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry mate, our PM signed a free trade agreement, this is the result.

      Be happy while we get screwed.

    4. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares if the US objects to laws in Australia? How is it any of the their business?

      seriously? recheck the map, then look at the demographics. canberra is looking ahead at being surrounded by desperately, *desperately* overpopulated nations in what may become a war zone (taiwan anyone? n.korea? how bout just some more radical fundi muslims?). aus had relatively bugger all population & military given their landmass and coastline. there may well be a scrap for a chunk of the north, never mind fishing and offshore oil, in the years to come. canberra badly needs a strategic ally to keep the threat low, and that's the US. which means the bush admin. so the question follows, what can they offer bush? stuff like this i'm afraid.

    5. Re:From TFA... by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Canberra doesn't need anything other than for other Australians to recognise that Canberra has nothing whatsoever to do with what goes on under that aluminium monstrosity on the hill.

      Canberra voted Labor - both Federally and Locally, as it almost always does...

      I think you meant to say "The Federal Government"

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    6. Re:From TFA... by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 3, Funny

      The sad thing is that Australians seem to listen; we can't seem to think for ourselves anymore, and everything has to have the approval of the US. It's just about to the point where the US elections were more important to us than our own. It's be nice if our Government had the balls (or brains) to think on its own.


      That really sucks man. Don't worry, you have nothing to learn from us except how to gain 40lbs at McDonalds in 30 days.

      I would have helped you out, but I am not an electoral voter so what I have to say doesn't count.

    7. Re:From TFA... by mitsuhama · · Score: 2, Funny

      We use the metric system here you insensitive clod.

    8. Re:From TFA... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Why in Star Trek Insurrection do they refer to the amount of rock blocking the cave as 120(?) metric tonne, surely by the 24th centry everyone referes to the Metric version in the Tonne.

    9. Re:From TFA... by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow. This is totally off-topic.

      But I've always felt this as well. Surely the difference in mass doesn't make any difference in terms of story telling. "But do they mean 120 metric tonnes or non-metric tons? This plot is far too confusing if they don't explain that one".

    10. Re:From TFA... by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      It's just a figure of speech...

    11. Re:From TFA... by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I'd pick *almost* any other side than Bush's.

    12. Re:From TFA... by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      A metric tonne is 1000kg and is a unit of mass.
      A non-metric ton can have various weights and is a unit of weight. Common tons include the short ton (2000 lbs) and the long ton (2200 or 2240, [cannot remember which] lbs).

    13. Re:From TFA... by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      That's the next thing the US will demand you change if you want free trade.

      It's too much of a burden on US companies who want to sell stuff in Australia to have to relabel everything in metric units.

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    14. Re:From TFA... by krist0 · · Score: 1

      I want to know why Australia (the country I am from), and I am talking about the goverment obviously, doesn't pull its head from its arse and start making some inroads in these areas of the world already. We are geographicaly close to them (espeically indonesia), yet we do a good job at pushing them aside in favour of the america. I mean, doesn't it make sense to defuse the bomb early instead of clearing up the damage later?

      Sure Australia is a anglo saxon nation and that there is always the inherant cultural, um, prefernce (people don't like to hear how they are actually racist/prejudiced) of sticking with "people like us", but that seems to be one of the main reasons why if there is ever any invasion of "them" to "us", well, its not hard to work out why.

      So yeah, pull your fuckin head out australia and grow a frickin brain.

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    15. Re:From TFA... by mpe · · Score: 1

      That's the next thing the US will demand you change if you want free trade.

      It's kind of ironic that "free trade" involves all sorts of changes and restrictions.

      It's too much of a burden on US companies who want to sell stuff in Australia to have to relabel everything in metric units.

      Except that US companies would have to do this if they export to their neighbouring North American countries anyway.
      When it comes to measurements Australia is already in step with most of the planet...

    16. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to know why Australia (the country I am from), and I am talking about the goverment obviously, doesn't pull its head from its arse and start making some inroads in these areas of the world already. We are geographicaly close to them (espeically indonesia), yet we do a good job at pushing them aside in favour of the america.

      That would certainly be in the interests of more Australians than doing things to suit a country on the other side of the planet. Possibly not in interests of those minority of Australians who are in government.

      I mean, doesn't it make sense to defuse the bomb early instead of clearing up the damage later?

      Politicans do not always appear to think that way. e.g. Consider the policy the US persues in the middle east of supporting one tiny country (which dosn't have much in the way of mineral resources) whilst alienating the vast majority of the people in that part of the world.

      Sure Australia is a anglo saxon nation and that there is always the inherant cultural, um, prefernce (people don't like to hear how they are actually racist/prejudiced) of sticking with "people like us", but that seems to be one of the main reasons why if there is ever any invasion of "them" to "us", well, its not hard to work out why.

      Ignoring that Australia has been populated for so long that the natives though that humans originated from there. Or that plenty of recent immigration to Austalia has been from West Asia.

    17. Re:From TFA... by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1
      Who cares if the US objects to laws in Australia? How is it any of the their business?

      Welcome to the Pax Americana. *Everything* is their business.

    18. Re:From TFA... by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      lots of things are figures of speech.
      That doesn't mean they don't piss people off.
      And I think holding the population of a city responsible for the actions of a government they didn't even vote for is a pretty poor use of language.

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    19. Re:From TFA... by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      Do they still speak English in Australia? They're not holding the population responsible! Clearly you don't understand what it means that it's a figure of speech. There is a technical term for this that I can't remember. Anyway, it's easily understandable that people are talking about the government when they say "Canberra" (except to a few people, apparently). USians do the same thing with "Washington", Britons do the same thing with "Downing Street". Obviously the drug dealers and gangbangers in Washington, D.C. aren't invading Iraq and a physical street can't be Bush's lapdog.

    20. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuclear Non-Proliferation dude.

      It's almost impossible for any Australian government to go back on the changes made in the 70's to Australia's policy on Non-Proliferation.

      But Johnny (As Menzies did..) want's nukes...

      The way he gets to buy into the mutually assured destruction stalemate, is to not actually have them on our soil, but have them pointing at our neighbours from say... somewhere else in the pacific. In return we supply land for telemetry and communications for the middle east, which is quite busy this time of year.

      The strategic importance of the Australian outback cannot be underestimated from a US point of view. It's the ultimate viewing platform, and one of the largest and most hostile buffer zones on the planet.

      Economic and nationalistic dependance on the US is the mechanism by which the US guarentees Australia won't go running off to the some other semi-superpower for support.

      I'd like to see Australia shop around more in terms of it's foreign policy. I'm sure we have a lot more in common with Canada or the EU than the US.

      4 months without a Telstra bill... and feeling GREAT!

    21. Re:From TFA... by zsau · · Score: 1

      Erm... Australia? We've given up for too much of our Sovereignty to lose the FTA now on a simple technicality that could be fixed if we give up a bit more sovereighty.

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    22. Re:From TFA... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Maybe ... but only if you let it be our business. Take a hint from Germany ... say "No" now and then. It isn't our fault if testicles are in short supply in other places.

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    23. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the pussies in Australia don't want the U.S. to come kick their asses.

    24. Re:From TFA... by DrSpirograph · · Score: 1

      Moderators: The parent is not insightful - read the blurb:
      "Tougher copyright laws linked to the Australia-US free trade agreement (FTA)"

      Much as I agree that US politicians should keep their noses the hell out of our parliament and our business, our government signed an agreement with the US to pass certain laws - if those laws are then watered down, the governement is in breach of that agreement - so it is every bit the US's business in this case.

  7. Previous Slashdot article by RenHoek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rember this one?

    Censoring The Net With A Hotmail Account

    I think Australian ISP's will be very busy for the coming time..

    1. Re:Previous Slashdot article by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, they can file notices of infringement, we can file back counter notices.

      Disagree? Let's fight in court, Aussie court.

    2. Re:Previous Slashdot article by krymsin01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, well your notice infringes my copyright.

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    3. Re:Previous Slashdot article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree? Let's fight in court, Aussie court.

      So that would be a Kangeroo Court, presumably.

    4. Re:Previous Slashdot article by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm not entirely sure these cases would be fought in an Australian court. Clearly, a case based on the Australian law that implements the FTA would be fought in an Aussie court, but if it came down to an argument as to whether the law actually implements the FTA correctly, then it would be up to some kind of tribunal run by both governments (ie. really run by the USA with some token puppets from Australia). That is, IIUC, the FTA trumps the law anyway.

  8. *sigh* by essence · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's creeping creeping. I hate to think how much of a police state this place will be in 10 years.

    1. Re:*sigh* by Magickcat · · Score: 1

      Will be? Mate, we're already here.

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    2. Re:*sigh* by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      just think, we now live in an irrelavent democracy that is partially dictated by people we don't give a sh*t about on the other side of the World!

  9. We need more time! by malsbert · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the term of protection for copyright material was extended by 20 years. because 50 to 120 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_co pyright_length will just not give you enough time! (personel note: wiki is wrong right? it can not be THAT long!!!)

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    1. Re:We need more time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of those countries won't even be around that long, not excluding the US of A.

    2. Re:We need more time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked it was 50 years in Australia, taken from the date of death of the author (where the work is owned by the author) or from date of publication (where the work is owned by someone else, for example a publisher).

    3. Re:We need more time! by Beolach · · Score: 4, Informative
      Wikipedia is not wrong (in this instance). From An introduction to copyright in Australia :
      How long does copyright last? This varies according to the type of material. The general rule which applies until 31 December 2004 is that copyright lasts from the time the material is created until 50 years after the year of the creator's death. Note, however, that there are a number of exceptions to this general rule. Once copyright has expired, anyone can use the material without permission.

      From 1 January 2005 the rules on how long copyright last will change. This will affect any material still in copyright on that date. This is as a result of the Free Trade Agreement Australia has negotiated with the United States. The effect of the changes is that, from 1 January 2005, copyright will generally last until 70 years after the death of the creator, bringing our law into line with the period of copyright that applies in the United States and Europe. For further information, see our information sheet Duration of copyright .
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    4. Re:We need more time! by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Interesting that the list does not seem to contain any EU nations.

    5. Re:We need more time! by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      May as well include this

      Duration of copyright in the EU

      So Australia is coming in line with the rest of the world.

      This directive from 1993 - before BUSH or HOWARD - weird, not mentioned above.

    6. Re:We need more time! by mibus · · Score: 1

      The worst thing is that it affects work that's about to fall out of copyright.

      I want to move to Norway or something...

  10. From your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Australia,

    Stop following our example. IT IS NOT A GOOD ONE.

    Your friend,
    The U.S.

    1. Re:From your friend by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Dear The U.S.

      Following the rest of the world - you need not worry, it's OK. c.f. above

      Australia

    2. Re:From your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankyou, Australian and U.S. elected representatives of the people.
      Thankyou.
      And fuck you.

    3. Re:From your friend by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      Stop following our example. IT IS NOT A GOOD ONE.

      Yes, I know. But unfortunately the US Government controls access to a large number of the worlds consumers. So if you want to be in business, you have to pay attention to their requirements

    4. Re:From your friend by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear U.S

      We have no control over what our government does for the next three years, the liberals have a majority government.

      Your Bitches,
      Australia

    5. Re:From your friend by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Stop following our example. IT IS NOT A GOOD ONE."

      Following our example? In a couple ways, the Australian copyright laws are worse than the US laws. First, with America's DMCA, only the copyright owner (or someone authorized to act on their behalf) can send a takedown notice. In contrast, this Australian law seems to allow third-parties to send complaints (although the article was unclear on whether that meant anyone or just specific third-parties).

      Also, Australia's got some bad laws when it comes to format shifting. Over there, if you rip a CD that you own to mp3, you've violated the copyright laws. It doesn't matter if you own the CD, don't share the mp3s, and only listen to the mp3s while the CD is in your possession -- it's still technically illegal.

    6. Re:From your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I voted Green first, Labor second -- but you're fooling yourself if you don't think Labor would have rolled over on things like this just as quickly.

    7. Re:From your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the liberal party in Australia is fundamentally different from the liberal party(re: Democrats) in the United States...

      Does anyone else find it ironic that a liberal government elsewhere would cause that place's laws to conform to the demands of our highly conservative government?

    8. Re:From your friend by mpe · · Score: 1

      But unfortunately the US Government controls access to a large number of the worlds consumers. So if you want to be in business, you have to pay attention to their requirements.

      Actually there are more people in the European Union, even eithin the "Euro Zone".
      Even if the US did comprise more than a few percent of the world's population there is the little problem of the US Doller being a weakening currency.

    9. Re:From your friend by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      No, its just a historical accident in naming. The Liberal Party were always the conservatives in Australia. The *actual* liberal party is the Labour party, although as with most western democracies, both sides have shifted towards the centre-right in recent years.

    10. Re:From your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake up.. the USA is really just about the only place in the world where 'liberal' is consdered equal to 'left-wing'.

      Of course, this is because the US media has a liberal bias.

      Hah.

    11. Re:From your friend by D.+Book · · Score: 1

      Dear U.S.

      Sorry, we're too preoccupied with renovating our investment properties, building "McMansions" for ourselves, parking 4WDs (aka SUVs) in their supersized driveways and using them to haul home the bigscreen TVs we're purchasing on credit to help fill those nice big houses.

      Why should I worry about this "copyright" thing? Is it going to increase interest rates, or something?

      Aspirationally yours,

      A model Howard-era Australian

    12. Re:From your friend by dbIII · · Score: 1
      No, its just a historical accident in naming
      No it was deliberate misdirection, just like east germany was the federal "democratic" republic until the wall went down and the secret police disbanded.

      In the founding speech, the founder "Pig Iron Bob" (famous for breaking a strike of dockworkers who wanted to stop Australian steel being exported to be used in Japanese tanks in China, then later unexpectedly being made into bombs landing in Pearl Harbour) said "the profit motive is the greatest force in human society". That should put things in perspective.

    13. Re:From your friend by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      As is (on the whole), recording a show off TV, backing up a software CD, and so on.

      I'm still trying to work out how someone can legally use an iPod in Australia. As I understand it (corrections accepted!) you can only buy AAC format songs from iTunes, which isn't yet available in Australia. You certainly can't rip them from oyur own CDs.

      Except for cases where you explicitly have a license, or the recording is in the Public Domain, you're screwed. That's one expensive paperweight.

      If we're going to go to US style copyright, at least we could get some of those good ol' Fair Use provisions. I doubt we will though.

      In fact, I could imagine US MAFIA (Music and Film Industry Association) outfits citing the FTA as a reason for Congress to change US law to Australian style law.

      Sorry guys, we didn't mean it.

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    14. Re:From your friend by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      Actually there are more people in the European Union, even eithin the "Euro Zone".

      True. But the American consumer society makes them fantastic trading partners because of they appetite for food, metal, coal, uranium, etc. Europeans consume less per capita and thus import less.

  11. Oh well, there's still Europe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys in the old world won't cave to the US of Americans like Aus did will you?

    1. Re:Oh well, there's still Europe. by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      They Don't need to, they already have made the same decision 11 years ago.

      c.f. above

  12. That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by B747SP · · Score: 3, Funny
    That does it, I'm moving to Canada.... no, wait...

    (I'm posting from Australia, it's a joke!)

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    1. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all us aussies need to move to nz and kick the new zealanders out.

    2. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      If we did that then how would we would have so much fun kicking their arses in cricket.

    3. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by ibentmywookie · · Score: 2, Funny

      New Zealand is our Canada, dim wit :)

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    4. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by Larch · · Score: 1

      I actually am moving to Canada from Australia.

      It does help that my missus is Canadian, but the stupid FTA and Liberal majority are certainly encouraging the move.

      I'm also concerned that apart from the IP issues the more open business ownership laws coming in with the FTA may affect my ability to get work, what with the US companies buying up here and then likely shedding the workforce.

    5. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky for you, the Canadian Working Holiday Program visa application for Aussies just opened for 2005. See http://www.whpcanada.org.au/

    6. Re:That does it, I'm moving to Canada... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jez like the All Blacks have fun schooling you wallabies in rugby hey matey? ;)

  13. A recent book... by Evil+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... even highlighted the main issues. How to Kill a Country. A bit dramatic but the agreement undermines some crucial aspects of our sovereignty. The PM (Prime Minister) laughed off the IP issues as just "technical matters". Yeah right. Shafted a-fucking-gain.

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    1. Re:A recent book... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      First I agree, so why do you post Anonymously. Be a (wo)man!

    2. Re:A recent book... by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Johnny has given us a $400 billion trade account deficit. The level of personal debt is at an all time high because he pump-primed the economy so hard. The reason we are in such a growth environment is because Johnny inherited the deregulated economy of Keating. Why do you think interest rates were dropping 2 months after he took power? That only comes from years of previous work. Now he's thrown it away, neither Costello nor Howard can believe things have gone so well because they know how bad things will eventually get, that's why they keep warning people.

      The reason the Aussie economy is doing so well is because we are attracting so much foreign investment because the American dollar looks so bad. But when the US dollar recovers then all hell will break loose in Australia. As scum like yourself, I can't believe people are so stupid or naive as to forget that the fundamental principal of all nations is self interest. Especially, the US which is noted for its self interest. They don't give a fuck about us (as a government) and we shouldn't be surprised if they take full advantage if we just roll over.

      The reason Howard was re-elected was that people were scared about interest rates going up. But they are going to go up anyway. Even if it takes 12 months this current environment will not last.

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    3. Re:A recent book... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      that the fundamental principal of all nations is self interest
      The deal was to get free access to the US sugar, beef and steel markets as a reward for going into Iraq with the USA. It failed on all counts - which shows that going into war purely for the money is yet another example of crime not paying.

      It appears that the Australian government thought they had to deliver a trade deal, no matter how bad, before they would be re-elected, so they went ahead despite the deal being an insulting slap in the face. They may have been right, but the needs of the nation should have been considered more than a rapidly negotiatiated take it or leave it deal. It shows that the US negotiators knew that they could get away with almost anything - it is vary much a one way deal since other restrictions prevent Australian companies taking advantage of the few concessions.

  14. FTAs and why they suck by initialE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in Singapore, which is also in a bilateral FTA with the USA. My concern is that the FTAs that are being pushed through are actually a blatant attempt to enforce american law in countries where they have no prior influence over. If you're looking for a governing body over the entire internet, there it is, America is becoming the Nazi that will police the cyberstate of the Internet(s!). Of course, living in the commie state that I do, you'll never hear any of these concerns voiced over the mass media channels, which are all but overflowing with praise for the government and their clever negotiating of this FTA. Fear.

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    1. Re:FTAs and why they suck by __int64 · · Score: 1

      Of course, living in the commie state that I do, you'll never hear any of these concerns voiced over the mass media channels...

      Wow I'm really sorry for you having to live in a country where you have no free speech, your media is never critical of the government's actions; always running the party line. Must be just horrible...

      You should really conceder breaking free of your oppression and moving to the United States, which is the freest, most democratic...oh shit....ummm

      Ok, looks like that war on communism sure was successful...were now becoming those damn communists we tried so hard to kill 20 years ago.

  15. Re:Globalisation by Beolach · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh. If you were really Americanized, you would have spelled it Globalization.

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  16. Re:Globalisation by Zonnald · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Capitalism does not kill people - people kill people.

  17. Re:Globalisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guns don't kill people - I do!
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  18. Re:Globalisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An address for those people: Kirabilly House, Sydney, Australia.

  19. This country is the laughingstock of the internet by AbRASiON · · Score: 0, Troll

    We're not all fucking morons here, honest guys :(

    I swear the AU Politicians are all backwards tools - it just doesn't make sense :(

    They'll ban porn sites completely soon - how I don't know but they'll ban it.
    They just don't understand the net at all here.

  20. Re:Globalisation by Zonnald · · Score: 1

    Yes, yes, send those people to Kirabilly House Sydney Australia.

    Twit.

  21. Re:Globalisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they think that they're the epitome of humanity and if you're not like them you might as well be dead. Simply put: they're arrogant assholes.

  22. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by Zonnald · · Score: 0, Troll

    You really think the "internet" really gives a stuff about what happens in Australia?

  23. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by ashridah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ahahaha.
    dude, they already did that 5-6 years ago. It didn't work then, infact all it did was drive a few porn-site operators out of Australia and move their hosting to the US, where it was CHEAPER to host the data (by a reasonable margin, what's more). Just take Abby Winters as a good example (google it yourself). She was pissed that she had to stop paying an Australian company money to host her material, even tho it was more expensive, iirc.

    The blacklisting that was supposed to accompany it was a complete joke, what's more, and has failed miserably, a grand total of about 20 sites got reported in the first year or two, and no-one's heard of it since.

    Good to see that Australia doesn't have the parents television council or whatever that bunch of whackos they have in the US is making things 'safer' for Australians (yet, *knocks wood*)

    ashridah

  24. Re:Globalisation by Zonnald · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Actually I think the real reason is that as the "Melting Pot", there are many Americans from other countries who now are so happy with living in America that they just want their fellow, (former), country men to have the same benefits they receive in America.

  25. No Fiar Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's really great is in Australia we have no "fair use" laws. Technically even recording a TV show is illegal here. There has been rumour around that we might get fair use laws as part of the FTA. But the big corps are pushing for stricter copyright laws so I doubt that will happen.

  26. Free Trade Agreement and file sharing by thornfield · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get it - this is a Free Trade agreement - file sharing is the acme of free trading??!

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    1. Re:Free Trade Agreement and file sharing by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't get it - this is a Free Trade agreement - file sharing is the acme of free trading??!

      It's newspeak. Free trade isn't free. Conservatives aren't conservative. Liberals arent liberal. The PATRIOT act is unpatriotic. The war on terror is a war on freedom.

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    2. Re:Free Trade Agreement and file sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free as in tariff free.

  27. How can it get any tougher? by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, Australia doesn't even have an official fair use cluse. Not in the law books, not in any verdicts. Ripping your bought CDs is technically illegal, technically.Not that anybody cares.

    Scandinavian countries have fair use in their copyright laws, while the US has it in the Betamax verdict.

    1. Re:How can it get any tougher? by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      that is correct, we (the general public) have NO fair use rights as far as recording most tv programs off tv for later viewing to copying our own bought CD for listening on an mp3 player. when police start aresting themselves for timeshifting and using their mp3 players, perhaps we should take ALL laws in this country seriously - after all, if one law is not worth following, surely none are right?

    2. Re:How can it get any tougher? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      while the US has it in the Betamax verdict

      Title 17, Chapter 1, section 107: Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use.

      I won't bother to paste it in, you can look it up yourself. But, yes, the USA has Fair Use as part of its Copyright Law.

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    3. Re:How can it get any tougher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which only applies "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research". Personal fair use as in the Betamax case is not covered.

    4. Re:How can it get any tougher? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      It defines Fair Use. It is not meant to imply that copying a movie is, by definition, Fair Use. The betamax decision extended Fair Use to making personal copies of TV for time-shifting purposes, but in no way created the legal concept of Fair Use.

      Note further that the quote above includes the phrase "such as", implying quite strongly that these are meant to be EXAMPLES of Fair Use, not an exhaustive set of possible "Fair Use".

      Which allows plenty of room for the Courts to come along later and say "After careful consideration of the four characteristic meaasures of 'Fair Use' specified in law, this procedure in question fits within the definition of 'Fair Use'".

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    5. Re:How can it get any tougher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As far as I know, Australia doesn't even have an official fair use cluse(sic)."

      I think you'll find it's spelled "fair use clues", but we'll forgive you ;)

      Actually Australia has very similar fair use regulations to the US (that is, they specify partial copying for educational purposes is acceptable). The difference is that the US has court findings that support time shifting (not copying and archiving, BTW) as an extension of fair use, whereas no such case has ever been fought in Australia.

      Technically, making a cassette copy of a CD is illegal in Australia, as are MP3 rips. But its my understanding its also illegal in the US, and the Betamax case specifically refers to time shifting broadcast material, not making copies of works already in the posession of an individual.

      (Disclaimer: IANAL, but I am a copyright holder, a member of the Australasian Performing Rights Association, I have thoroughly studied the legislation and discussed it in detail with an ex-chairperson of the Australian Copyright Council who happens to be a personal friend. That being said, I can see no justification for copyright being extended beyond the life of the author; quite the opposite, in fact. Fuck Disney.)

  28. I'm out of here - so long Australia by inflex · · Score: 1

    This place is falling apart.

    People thought it was bad being part of the monarchy (The Queen of England etc) but I'd much rather that than be the next state of the US of A.

    It's sick, disgusting and nothing but a sell out of what Australia used to stand for.

    I'm thinking that I'll move to NewZealand or ... maybe we can make Tasmania a new country!

    1. Re:I'm out of here - so long Australia by ibentmywookie · · Score: 1

      If we move to Tasmania, does that mean I have to marry my sister, or my cousin or something? Bunch of inbreds down there :)

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    2. Re:I'm out of here - so long Australia by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      What did Australia used to stand for? I know what America used to stand for ... we've pretty much thrown that away since World War II. But I've always thought of Australians as rugged individualists that wouldn't take crap from anyone (I know, just a stereotype but it sticks ... I saw Crocodile Dundee) and always admired them for that. Too bad that your government feels the need to sell its soul in exchange for a dubious strategic ally.

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    3. Re:I'm out of here - so long Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, .au has gone to crap since little johny has been sucking up us's arse. Lets all vote him out.. oh yeah, we tried that already.

    4. Re:I'm out of here - so long Australia by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      But I've always thought of Australians as rugged individualists that wouldn't take crap from anyone (I know, just a stereotype but it sticks ... I saw Crocodile Dundee) and always admired them for that.

      You're missing the other important attributes which are lazy and easy going (and we drink like fish).

      Basically, all this shit has gotten through because a) we can't be bothered thinking about it and b) we assume it won't have any real impact.

      I'm looking forward to the first John and Jane Does getting sued for copyright violation by recording things off TV or ripping their CDs to their iPods. It just might wake everyone up.

    5. Re:I'm out of here - so long Australia by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess it's not so different here. Nobody but a fairly small percentage of the population is even aware of the changes in patent and copyright law. At work there's only one other guy (another programmer like me) that is pretty up on the issues but everybody else just gives us a blank stare.

      Well, we've already had a couple thousand lawsuits here but that's all been over the much-vilified peer-to-peer. Most people don't seem to care much about that because they don't know what it is or have swallowed the RIAA's line about it only being good for "rampant piracy." More the fools they. But when it hits them where they've always lived, being able to record a TV show or things like that, it could get ugly. Hopefully it will get ugly. Very ugly. Maybe some Congressthieves will lose their jobs over it.

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  29. add to the electronic surveillance bill to that by cobbler_26 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only has this copyright bill gone through, they also just passed an Electronic Surveillance bill that "regulates the use of surveillance devices (data, optical, listening and tracking devices) by law enforcement agencies and.... also significantly widens the circumstances in which they can be used and the types that can be used." where is the government free space??

  30. New laws and Australian ISP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet Industry Association, Australia's national Internet industry organisation has a good press release about this and isp's.

    "Incredibly, the provisions have even stripped away protections required by the FTA," he said. "We can't understand why these two new provisions are necessary.
    "ISPs are now stuck between a rock and a hard place -- they will be liable to copyright owners if they don't act, and liable to their customers if the do."

    More from the IIA (Internet Industry Association)
    http://www.iia.net.au/news/041201.ht ml

  31. As An Australian All I can say is... by cranos · · Score: 0, Troll

    Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

    Damn shit poo bugger crap damn aaaarrgggh.

    Thankyou for listening

  32. So much for the "Public Consultations" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    After the FTA was signed but before the enacting legislation, a bunch of sham "Public Consultations" were held. Lots of small businesses and individuals gave many good reasons why (especially) the IP related parts were very damaging to Australia and gave all the advantages to America.

    End result: Nothing changed.

    Thank you, Canberra, for selling me out yet again, you short sighted bastards!

    1. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1


      After the FTA was signed but before the enacting legislation, a bunch of sham "Public Consultations" were held. Lots of small businesses and individuals gave many good reasons why (especially) the IP related parts were very damaging to Australia and gave all the advantages to America.


      Yeah... sigh...

      And guess what? The people voted them in again.

      Not that Mark Latham would have been a good choice too though.

    2. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Anyone polly who has the balls to call the prime minister what he really is "An arselicker" has got my vote.

    3. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that a lot of people, faced with someone they didnt like (Howard) and someone they knew nothing about (Latham) went with Howard.

      Something about "better the devil you know" or something.

      Besides, John Howard kept spreading all those lies about Interest Rates.

      I want to see an election where polititions arent allowed to say anything bad about the other guy.

    4. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went the other way with Bush. I wasn't really confident that Kerry would be any better, but felt at least I had to show my displeasure with the current administration. Lot of good it did me.

    5. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by lifespan · · Score: 0

      How about an election where they aren't allowed to say ANYTHING about the other team? Like the media blackout on advertising. A media blackout on dishonest bare-faced treacherous backstabbing.... ;) I might as well be shouting at the tide not to come in...

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    6. Re:So much for the "Public Consultations" by dbIII · · Score: 1
      The usual tactic these days seems to be to say "He's just like me only worse" before the other side, thus the draft dodger who was only responsible for jimself in the military gets to have more military credibility than the decorated comissioned officer with experience.

      Similarly, in Australia, the former treasurer of legendary incompetance (John Howard) got to accuse his opponent of financial irresponsibility.

  33. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't forget the Family First party, give them a few years and they'll give the PTC a run for their money.

  34. Copyright extension by Marlor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The big deal was not the copyright enforcement provision, but:

    "...the term of protection for copyright material was extended by 20 years"

    and

    "New provisions were introduced in relation to the unauthorised receipt and use or distribution of encoded broadcasts"

    These will have a real impact on IP in Australia.

    1. Re:Copyright extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "These will have a real impact on IP in Australia."

      Does Kath & Kim count as "intellectual" property, or does copyright also include moronic property?

      Damn I hate that show...

  35. And this..... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1


    "The changes followed last-minute talks between Australia and the US to finalise the FTA which takes effect on January 1."

    is how they dunit.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  36. With friends like the US... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    ...who is affraid of Indonesia.

    Funny or Flame, you decide.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    1. Re:With friends like the US... by LardBrattish · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Indonesia thing.

      When I first came to Australia & somebody started banging on about how Indonesia had 1,000,000 fighting men waiting to descend onto Australia & turn us into a Muslim state I thought he was taking the piss or something but a good proportion of Australians seem to think that if we don't suck up to America Indonesia will invade & America will do nothing to help.

      Firstly, if Indonesia wanted to attack they'd have to get here first. Let's be generous & say only 50% of them died before landing. Then where would they go? Darwin's the obvious choice but Darwin is tiny (30,000 Pop IIRC) so how would it be possible for Indonesia to keep 500,000 soldiers supplied when the local environment is hostile and there aren't any major population centres to provide food. So, now they want to invade somewhere worthwhile - LOOK AT A F^&KING MAP - it's not happening. There's a huge desert in the way. Logistically it's impossible for Indonesia to invade Australia.

      Secondly - If Indonesia did try anything it would be just like Kuwait. We may not have tons of oil but there's enough other strategic resources (Uranium anybody?) to make Australia worth saving so there would be a UN task force sent whether we suck up to America or not.

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  37. Re:Globalisation by instanto · · Score: 1

    Sounds like brainwashed horde to me.

    Its like, when you become a zombie after being bitten by a zombie, you want to bite others, and thus, infect them as well - turning them into zombies.

    So, the US is inhabited by Zombies?

    Ack! Zombies!

    --
    // instant - "I for one welcome our new Decaff Coffee-Flavoured-Coffee Overlords"
  38. FTAs are bad news... by Goonie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    IP activists in America might do very well to pay more attention to what its government does in FTA negotiations. Not only does it force the rest of the world to sign up to your stupid friggin rules, it will make them much more difficult for America to change them when the time comes that you start winning the arguments in Congress.

    The Australian FTA is particularly bad for Australia (from a purely monetary American perspective, you should be glad the Australian government is such a ham-fisted negotiator), but I don't think it's particularly unique here. In fact, FTAs are bad news all round - and this is coming from a perspective of mostly being in favour of free trade. They force all sorts of stupid tracking costs so you can prove that you're not acting as a transshipment point for goods from countries not covered by the FTA, cause all sorts of distortions, and serve as a convenient political cover to force through all sorts of measures multinationals like but citizens aren't so keen on.

    Frankly, I think the rest of the world should gang up on the United States at the next round of WTO negotiations and demand looser IP laws. Even if they don't get them it's a hell of a bargaining chip to get the US to play ball on a lot of other issues.

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    1. Re:FTAs are bad news... by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even if they don't get them it's a hell of a bargaining chip to get the US to play ball on a lot of other issues.

      The US? Play ball on other issues? You forget who you're dealing with. The Shrubians have a policy of "our way or dead."

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    2. Re:FTAs are bad news... by Oblio · · Score: 1

      Hey Australia... "Freedom is on the March". :)

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    3. Re:FTAs are bad news... by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 1

      If by freedom you mean exploitation, social darwinism, bigotry, corruption, and fascism then yes.

      --
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    4. Re:FTAs are bad news... by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Frankly, I think the rest of the world should gang up on the United States at the next round of WTO negotiations and demand looser IP laws.

      Which "rest of the world" are you thinking of ? The EU is just as bad (if not worse) with regards to copyright principles and lengths as the US. Australian copyright laws were, on the whole, _stricter_ than US laws before the FTA (and are ever worse now).

  39. Re:Globalisation by JamesD_UK · · Score: 1
    The ise/ize debate is actually quite interesting. Ize, which everyone presumes to be an Americanization, is derived from the greek -izo and has a very strong argument for being the correct spelling. Ize is favoured by both the OED and Encyclopedia Britannica over ise.

    That's really a pedant's argument: both spellings are acceptable in modern English when derived from the greek -izo. Some Americanizations such as analyze, use the same sound but critically they do not use not the same derivation and should correctly be spelled (at least in the UK) with an s.

  40. So will we get fair use now? by Namarrgon · · Score: 1
    Now that the US's copyright extensions, DMCA provisions and other restrictions to the public's rights have brought our wild and carefree legal system under control, do we at least get the Fair Use paragraphs to go with it, to decriminalise all the iPod users?

    Is there an up side, or did we just end up with the worst of both worlds?

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    1. Re:So will we get fair use now? by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      yep, we definately have it bad over here, makes me ashamed to be in this lousy country :(

    2. Re:So will we get fair use now? by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Still no fair use clause in Australia. We did end up with the worst of both worlds.

    3. Re:So will we get fair use now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bend over, bitch.

  41. you forgot by tqft · · Score: 2, Informative

    to mention some of the existing doozies
    - identifying an inteligence agent
    - refusing to co-operate (no such thing as a right to silence)

    and don't forget The Crimes Act VIA 1914 (as amended)
    A sample
    http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Crime/Austral ia.law.html/

    In some parts the Crimes Act VIA relating to Commonwealth data the onus of proof is reversed and possession of data = guilt until therwise established by a court of law

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    Quant
  42. "CRAZED FAN SMOKES DIMEBAG" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    need i say more.....

  43. How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by Jameth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did they just say that someone can request a takedown for copyright material of they don't own?

    As far as I know, it is technically impossible for anyone but the copyright holder to know if the copyright is being violated. Why? Copyrights don't have to be enforced. Most people that don't care too much about their specific copyrights just don't bother to enforce them unless there is blatant plagiarism.

    Further, how would anyone but the copyright owner know if some agreement had already been made?

    Please tell me I am just incredibly misinterpreting it (and, yes, I did RTFA) and they aren't just being mind-bogglingly stupid.

    1. Re:How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The confusion of copyright and anti-plagiarism measures plays right into the hands of the infofascists. Plagiarism is fraud - passing off another's work as your own. You don't need any copyright law for plagiarism to be illegal! But people with a vested interest in preserving control over the dissemination of information conflate the issues.

      Copyright is the ability to say "no, you may not copy and distribute this information"- it's COPY-right. If you pass on a verbatim copy stating clearly someone else authored the information pattern, YOU HAVE NOT PLAGIARISED.

    2. Re:How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      Plagarism is legal (or at least so lightly enforced that it is flouted very openly). Ghostwriting is plagarism (technically, it's no different from paying someone to write your term paper or thesis paper), so if plagarism were illegal, ghostwriting and buying term papers would be illegal. To the best of my knowledge, both are legal though buying a term paper will get you in academic trouble if caught.

      If I had it my way, copyright would be eliminated and anti-fraud laws would be extended to cover plagarism, including ghostwriting (consumers should have a right not to be lied to about the author of a book or script).

    3. Re:How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by elegie · · Score: 1

      someone can request a takedown for copyright material of they don't own?

      Perhaps they were thinking of industry trade associations which sometimes enforce copyrights of their members on their behalf.

      In the case of the DMCA, the complaining party must state that they are authorized to take such action by the copyright owner. Of course, such a statement could be untrue.

    4. Re:How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by Skrybe · · Score: 1

      That was what struck me about the issue as well. It reads as though I could claim you were using a photo on your website that you don't own. So I complain to your ISP and your site gets taken down. Further it reads as though it doesn't even have to be *my* photo you're using I might just think it's not your photo and you're breeching copyright by using it.

      I would hope that the regulations include really strict clauses about incorrect/malicious claims - including financial penalties. eg: If they issue a takedown notice and the file turns out to be legitimate they get slapped with a huge fine.

      After hearing reports of certain companies claiming breech of copyright based purely on a file name without viewing the content I think we could cause major havoc. Just name a few files "britney spears.mp3" - even though it's a recording of your cat wailing. Then when the RIAA to a takedown notice they'll get hit by a fine cos it's not really copyrighted material!

      Another thing I'd put in if I was writing the regulations would be a "required warning" clause. ie: The complainant would have to show proof that they'd attempted to contact the person/site that was allegedly breeching their copyright *before* the site could be taken down.

      Be interesting to see how the public servants draft these regs...

    5. Re:How Does that Even Begin to Make Sense? by beav007 · · Score: 1

      I think that the idea is directly targeted at music. A musical artist could issue a takedown notice for sharing their music, despite the fact that their recording company owns the copyright.

  44. Re:Globalisation by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Ize is favoured by both the OED and Encyclopedia Britannica over ise.

    The "Brittanica" is published in Chicago; so that's not really relevant. Personally (Australian) I use "ise" whenever there's a choice.

  45. Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've heard very little discussion about how we (people who believe copywright and patent law has tipped too far in the corporations' favor) can use these laws AGAINST the big guys.

    An earlier post suggested overwhelming Aussie ISPs with inaccurate copyright-breach claims.

    But how about taking these laws to their logical, unreasonable conclussions on the lawmakers' and coprorations' own turfs?

    For example:
    - Bring coypright violation claims against the websites of the Aussie parliamentarians / senators / corporations that supported the bill.

    - Try to find ACTAUL copyright violations of these guys. Then tell ISPs to bring down these offending sites. But do it in a trickle of death. I.e., don't tell the site maintainers about all infringing content at once. Rather, tell the ISP about it once offence at a time, requiring a new take-down---fix-content---bring-up cycle for each offence.

    - Develop our own submarine patent portfolio for use against corporations.

    I think at best this could get new versions of the law up for consideration by lawmakers. Unfortunately, that just gives the special interests more of an opportunity to craft law to our disadvantage.

    How do we actually get the lawmakers to TRY to craft law that's fair or even anti-copyright? Is there no way we can do it, since they ALWAYS ultimately follow the money?

    1. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by richieb · · Score: 1
      - Develop our own submarine patent portfolio for use against corporations

      No, no, no!!!

      To fight patents make sure that prior art is well documented and in public domain.

      To fight copyrights release new works with with the Creative Commons license.

      Do not get involved in the corporate game. Make them come and play our game.

      --
      ...richie - It is a good day to code.
    2. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by grrrl · · Score: 1

      IIRC in australia anything original you do is automatically copyrighted- you dont have to file for anything.

      from http://www.copyright.org.au/page12.htm

      There is no government registration system for copyright protection in Australia. You do not need to publish your work, put a copyright notice on it, or to do anything else to be covered by copyright -- the protection is free and automatic. There are no forms to fill in, and there are no fees to be paid. You do not have to lodge your work with a government agency or anwhere else.

      If something is covered by the Copyright Act, it is protected automatically from the time it is first written down or recorded in some way, provided it has resulted from its creator's skill and effort and is not simply copied from another work. For example, as soon as a poem is written, or a song is recorded, it is protected.

      so if someone copy and pastes your news article or blog entry you can demand their isp to remove it i guess

      hmmm interesting - i wonder if copying the copyright page is violation enough :P

      but yeah, fucked overall.

    3. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by richieb · · Score: 1
      IIRC in australia anything original you do is automatically copyrighted- you dont have to file for anything.

      Same in US. But you can explicitely specify what rights you are giving the reader/user by using GPL or some Creative Commons License.

      --
      ...richie - It is a good day to code.
    4. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by j0e_average · · Score: 2, Insightful
      VERY EASY --


      Stop going to movies, stop buying DVDs, stop buying audio CDs. Stop fueling their campaign against you!

    5. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by grrrl · · Score: 1

      ahh ok, makes sense

      thanks for the info

    6. Re:Creative, Lawful Retaliation? by elegie · · Score: 1

      Is there no way we can do it, since they ALWAYS ultimately follow the money?

      There might be something to be said for public funding of politics.

  46. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then there are the Saltshakers... don't get me started on those whackos.

  47. Re:Sounds like good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, who is the genius who modded this down? If you disagree with this, at least say why.

  48. Re:Globalisation by JamesD_UK · · Score: 1

    Encyclopedia Britannica favoured ize before they became an American company.

  49. Re:Sounds like good news by richieb · · Score: 1
    ISPs should remove copyrighted material posted by people who are not the copyright owner. Intellectual property should be respected.

    What if the copyright owners gave permission to post the material? For example, the source for Linux is copyrighted, but the copyright owners gave explicit permission to post it.

    If you are really concerned about your "precious intellectual property" getting posted on the Internet DO NOT PUBLISH IT. Lock it up in your safe and don't let anyone see it.

    --
    ...richie - It is a good day to code.
  50. Australia just like others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Politics and democracy in australia is a known myth. Realistically we are just another state of the US following them like down a dark tunnel into a place where nobody wants to be or go except under the pressure of the US "democracy" and "freedom".. Why dont we just adopt a system where americans can vote in australia because realistically thats what happens anyway.

  51. BTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "how to gain 40lbs at McDonalds in 30 days"

    Its impossible to gain 40 lbs if you ate constantly for 30 days.

    I mean, unless you're already a 400 pound person.

    But as long as you're claiming 40, why not claim 400 or 4000? All are equally credible.

    1. Re:BTW by hab136 · · Score: 1
      Its impossible to gain 40 lbs if you ate constantly for 30 days.

      1 lb of fat = 3500 calories.

      Most humans use up about 2000 calories a day.

      So, you need 40 lbs * 3500 calories = 140,000 extra calories over 30 days = 4667 additional calories a day (above your 2000 or so needed), so let's say 6667 calories a day.

      Using their nutrition table, let's pick:

      Breakfast:

      • Deluxe Breakfast 1220 calories
      • Vanilla Triple Thick® Shake (32 fl oz cup) 1110 calories
      Lunch:
      • Double Quarter Pounder® with Cheese 730 calories
      • Another Double Quarter Pounder® with Cheese 730 calories
      • Vanilla Triple Thick® Shake (32 fl oz cup) 1110 calories
      Dinner: same as lunch

      Total: 7470 calories a day, for a total gain of 46.8 lbs.

      So it is possible.

      Blegh, I feel sick.

    2. Re:BTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it is possible.
      I don't know if it would be physically possible to eat the breakfast AND the shake in one sitting and not vomit...

    3. Re:BTW by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1
      ... 1 lb of fat = 3500 calories ...


      Matabolizing a pound of fat releases 3500 Calories, but it contains over 4000.
      It requires much more than 4000 for your body to make one, even assuming that all the Calories would be stored rather than excreted.
      Might as well assume that you're adding muscle - that's under 2000 Calories a pound.

      -- Should you believe authority without question?
  52. THAT's not a overbearin copayroit law. by skids · · Score: 1

    THIS is a overbearin copayroit law.

    Hrm. Not as catchy as the knoif.

  53. sending masses of fake takedown notices wont work by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is likely to happen is that ISPs will simply bump up their prices to cover the cost of processing all those notices.
    And amend their terms of service so that when they process and act on a fake takedown notice there is nothing the customer can do against them.

  54. Re:Globalisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not true, it's rappers! http://www.youknowsit.co.uk/

  55. Re:Globalisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If you were really Americanized, you would have spelled it Globalization.

    You sure about that? Spelling mistakes indicate to me that the author actually is an American ;-)

  56. Artistic Movements are dead in US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and now they are succeeding in spreading it to the rest of the world. Throughout history talented individuals created artistic movements. These movements are often based upon the foundation built by others. Artists copied the work of others and then changed it to suit their needs. As these ideas became popular they were copied yet again from others. How long until even this will be not allowed? Imagine if you will what would happen if the precepts that are taking over in the entertainment field were to be applied to science? Imagine what would have happened to the newspaper industry if the current laws had been on the book back when it was starting to take off?

    I hope politicians in other countries aren't so ready to follow the US so blindly down the path to mediocrity. But it looks like it is too late for the Aussies.

  57. Austrailia, the 51st state...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously though, I find the idea of one country
    getting into bed with another country, and
    exchanging laws that could hurt people to be
    very disturbing.

  58. What the internet needs is a new P2P app by jonwil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One that takes all the good things from the different networks and makes them into the ultimate P2P app.

    It should have:
    1.complete open unencumbered protocol specs
    2.Open Source reference implementation
    3.Complete encryption of all files shared along with random files being stored in random locations (i.e. like Freenet has where its next to impossible for anyone to tell exactly what files a given person is actually sharing). It should be designed such that even the owner of the machine has no way to know who is downloading what from their machine.
    4.Good search feature so you can find what you want easily (including an equivelent of the ed2k:// links so websites and stuff can link to files on this network)
    5.communication features (ala IM/chat) that let you find and talk to other network users.
    6.Encrypted network traffic. A great way to do this would be to encapsulate everything with SSH so that anyone in the middle only sees SSH requests. This makes it harder for service providers to shape or block it without harming all those who use SSH for its many many legitimate purposes such as CVS and remote access.
    7.It should feature downloading from multiple sources if available (i.e. spread the load around)
    8.It should feature a built-in program similar to peer-guardian and other such programs that can block IP address ranges owned by the copyright police (with the database being totally open for all to see as well as ways to add your own local entries if you want). Certainly this would be incorporated into the protocol specs and the reference implementation.
    9.It should be deasigned to be totally non-relient on any one central server or servers.
    and 10.It should be designed such that it does not require large system requirements (e.g. big CPU usage, large RAM usage, big disk space requirements etc) and so that it doesnt have undue bandwidth requirements (i.e. no more than current P2P apps require)

    Because its Open Source (and Open Specifications too), there is no central target to go after like there is with kazza or napster or audiogalaxy.
    Development of clients can happen in many countries and in many places making it impossible to stamp out. (plus, if its popular, it will be mirrored in plenty of places simply through that fact alone)

    Because its encrypted and goes over SSH (or something else standard if SSH is not sutable), its difficult to block this without getting legitimate users of that service annoyed

    Because it has the encryption and "files can be anywhere" features of Freenet its much harder for the copyright police to link files to machines/IP addresses (which makes figuring out who to sue harder) Also, this means that it would be possible to show (even in a court of law) that you didnt know that your file share contained copyrighted material, child porn, terrorist stuff, music not produced by the RIAA cartels or whatever else that the government who holds juristiction over the machine in question has decided to declare "illegal" this week.

    Because it has IP blocking (like Peer-Guardian etc) its easier to find where the copyright police are scanning from and stop them from connecting to your machine

  59. Remember Canada? by GrassMunk · · Score: 1

    You know, that giant Country on top of you guys. Come on up, we'd like the company. Just dont bring that piss you call beer. ( And dont forget a toque, but only for 6months )

  60. Re:Globalisation by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    This Oxford FAQ looks fairly authoritative:
    The standard Oxford practice is to spell:
    1. words that can be analysed into an English root and an -eyes suffix -ize. There exist rare verbs with a noun in -ition which also end -ize. "recognize" for instance, unlike "ignite", "micturate", "demolish" and "add";
    2. all words where the "eyes" sound is spelt using a "y" -yse, not -yze (these are from the Greek verb luo, meaning "I loose"),
    3. and words that cannot be analysed as before -ise,...

    .... The practice in most other British universities and in the media and novels, is to end "eyes" words in -ise regardless.

  61. No kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Free Trade" as implemented these days is a total misnomer, isn't it? All it does is free capital to better maneuver against democracy, human rights/ quality-of-life, the environment, and other enemies.

    Everyone keeps hoping that China or Russia or some non-aligned bloc will be able to spearhead a global end run around the bad policies Washington keeps promoting. But if we look at those countries, they have so many problems of their own, that they make even America look free and prosperous.

    It's not a nice picture. More gridlocked government, and continued civil disobedience are probably still the closest we will come to experiencing good leadership or democracy.

  62. What is the standard to have standing??? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The bill, which passed the Senate last night, will enable people other than copyright owners to force internet service providers to take down material allegedly infringing copyright.


    Will all people other than the copyright holders be able to do this? Will only the duly appointed representative of the copyright holder have any standing?

    The problem with such an open ended definition is that the quote in the submission makes it sound like anyone can suddenly make ISPs do all sorts of things.

    And to you Aussies, I feel for you. As a Canadian we frequently find that FTA with the Americans means "you must buy our stuff, but your cheaper made goods are unacceptable". It ends up feeling being a new open market to sell US goods without any reciprocation whatsoever. They're too busy passing laws to protect their own industries.

    --
    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:What is the standard to have standing??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >As a Canadian we frequently find that FTA with the
      >Americans means "you must buy our stuff, but your
      >cheaper made goods are unacceptable".

      Why do you stand for it then?

      If your elected officials literally feared that they might not wake up tomorrow because the Canadian people are so angry at being sold down the river, they might make wiser decisions.

      But they know they are in no danger. Just like American politicians.

      We could learn a lot from places like Ukraine.

    2. Re:What is the standard to have standing??? by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Why do you stand for it then?

      If your elected officials literally feared that they might not wake up tomorrow because the Canadian people are so angry at being sold down the river, they might make wiser decisions.

      But they know they are in no danger. Just like American politicians.


      Well, to a large extent in pretty much every (democratic) country, most people are simply apathetic to the whole sphere of politics and the like. So those people are discounted. Lots of people do care -- look at what happens every time they have a Summit of the Americas type get-together.

      We also have some politicians who are very outspoken against the policies of the current administration.

      That, coupled with the fact that America feels it can dictate terms to people and they can take it or leave it.

      They say "illegal dumping of cheap goods, we're slapping on a tarrif". The WTO says "illegal countervailing duties". The Americans ignore it. The appeals mechanisms within NAFTA get ignored at their convenience.

      The US says "we don't need no UN to go to Iraq", but then says that nations have a duty under their international treaties when it suits them.

      The US declines to participate in a world court, but as soon as they feel a little jittery about oil-for-Foods results, they insist they won't pay their dues until the UN officials sign away any immunity from US courts.

      the *AA's buy copyright laws, and, blammo, Australia is augmenting their laws to be more in accord with US interests.

      They walk away from non-proliferation treaties, treaties banning the weaponization of space, and decide whent he Geneva convention does and does not apply.

      You make a very good point though. Why does Canada and the rest of the world put up with this in the first place? I'm getting tired of it.

      Besides, I can tell you that revolt (or much beyond political indifference) is a very un-Canadian response. We're just too complacent. I suspect many Americans, and the rank-and-file of most democracies don't pay attention to it.

      Cheers
      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  63. Re:Sounds like good news by remmelt · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute.... If enough hotmail members claim they own the (c) to Linux and have the sites taken down, who is going to benefit? Is this a ploy of MS to counter L? ;-)

  64. The "new tonne" by tepples · · Score: 1

    The metric tonne is a unit of mass, 1000 kg. But what is the unit of weight in the same order of magnitude? Is it the new tonne, 10 kN?

  65. Possible? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Are you sure that what you ask is possible to implement? Freenet has had to make some sacrifices to some of your other points in order to maintain enough anonymity for a plausible denial. Some of your requirements seem conflicting in practice, especially 3, 4, and 10.

  66. I think I speak for all *SANE* Australians... by FoboldFKY · · Score: 1

    ...when I say:

    • FUCK
    • What's the job market like in New Zealand?
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    1. Re:I think I speak for all *SANE* Australians... by Macondo · · Score: 1

      New Zealand is an option (although i get the impression that some people actually believe its possible to hunt orc there). However, staying and fighting the good fight is a better idea. Muskets to be distributed in the town square at dawn.......

  67. Why SSH isn't suitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was using SSH for a while, backing up my hard drive's overflow onto a friend's server. But then one of his up-stream providers apparently decided to block it. My friend's internet service still works for him, but heck, I can't even ping my backup server there at his office. My traceroutes go AWOL about where they come to his city-wide aggregator, not even his local ISP!

    His local authorities have legitimate reasons for network-warfare paranoia. They do have high-grade criminal and foreign-intelligence activities to try and block; and they don't have an army of English-speaking network experts to keep up with all the latest hacks & counter-hacks. But my point is, their action has disabled legitimate use of the net.

    And this kind of shit is happening everywhere.

    So we need to be thinking about steganographic successors to SSH, if we are to take what is left of the net and restore some usefulness. So to your list, I want to add:

    11) We need systems that tunnel everything through what appear to be simple, boring port-80 http requests.

    12) And we need ways to make it all work from behind fascist NAT firewalls--NATted http is already all the access many of us have left. [Let me add, BitComet's NAT hack is glorious. So is the TSP IPv6 client's NAT tunnel, if only more stuff would become IPv6-aware and use it.]

    13) We also need virtual clients/ nodes implementing the above features, that can for example run entirely in web-browser Java plugins, to be used portably on locked-down public-access machines. [I'm thinking partly of Portable Firefox et al that can run on machines without installing; but also Azureus & the MindTerm SSH client, and all those web-based virus scanners.]

    We do need ways to communicate securely between machines, without looking guilty with all that obvious encryption; without drawing so much traffic-analyzable attention to ourselves. In this perspective, SSH with its up-front encryption [even when it works] is just a first-generation hack. Mere crypto always looks guilty; always makes authorities nervous. The SSH needs to run on top of an additional, steganographic layer.

    The internet was a nice idea while it lasted. But if we are going to keep the net useful for anything better than viewing adds, there are a lot of great programming challenges still out there. That's why I keep hoping all you laid-off hot-shot programmers we hear about, don't get depressed and let your skills rust just because the management doesn't want you any more.

    1. Re:Why SSH isn't suitable by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      So run it on a different port! Geez, if you're running SSH (or just about any other service, for that matter) on its default port with a "consumer grade" Internet connection, you deserve what you get.

      They can't block SSH on any abritrary port unless they do content inspection on all traffic.

  68. Re:Globalisation by krist0 · · Score: 1

    time to reach for the shotty, RE style (d-pad up...wait...wait....BOOM!)

    we need RE:AMERICA.

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    all you are, is all you are, i'm so sorry for you.
  69. Re:Sounds like good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not when the term extends to 70 years after the author's death. Even at the term of the author's death is too long. A 10 years term sounds more reasonable. What? You think your works are original and free from derivations of others' works?

  70. ... and also by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
    don't forget too that for a while now ASIO and ASIS have had the right to break into any computer in Australia and add/delete/modify data at will.

    Want to silence a dissident? Easy, just get ASIO to plant some kiddie porn on their computer, or change their tax records and get them for tax evasion.

  71. That's how free trade works... by microbox · · Score: 1

    Who cares if the US objects to laws in Australia? How is it any of the their business?

    Like it or not, sovereignty is considered the enemy of free trade... and there is a global push (call it globalisation) to put economic (usually big corporate) interests ahead of the ability for a country to pass it's own laws.

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    Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
  72. I did move to Canada (from Australia) by microbox · · Score: 1

    And copyright here is poorly understood. I turned up at "Copy Canada" to copy a piece of 18thCentuary music that was published in 1920. They flat out refused to do it because they said they'd be infringing copyright... the business had received letters from "concerned industry representatives" to that effect.

    So they knew nothing about copy-right, so I explained it to them. They said they didn't believe me... after all, how could someone make a buck out of selling that music if you could photocopy it for free?

    Since then, I've found the pretty much everyone I meet feels that copyright means that you have no right to copy. How ironic.

    The copyright-cartel can pass any laws they want and everyone will suck it up. It makes me want to slay myself.

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    Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
  73. Your post is a ticket to jail by nusratt · · Score: 1

    "I'm in Singapore...Of course, living in the commie state that I do..."

    I recently read "Confucius Lives Next Door" by T.R. Reid (1999?), which says that you can be jailed merely for criticizing ("defaming") the government in Singapore.

    I hope your post can't be linked to your actual adentity.
    And even if it can't, is it too far-fetched to imagine that Singapore might try to block /.?

    btw, is it true that they actually have legions of cops on rooftops with binoculars, as a means to enforce even those laws regarding gum-chewing, etc.?

  74. Re:"gang-up on USA at WTO" by nusratt · · Score: 1

    "I think the rest of the world should gang up on the United States at the next round of WTO negotiations and demand looser IP laws"

    Dream on.
    Why do you think the USA succeeds at this stuff?
    The USA has "the best politicians which money can buy";
    do you really think the situation is different in other countries?
    And how do you account for the EU handing over air passenger records, despite EU privacy laws and the objections of the vast majority of citizens?

  75. posters' quaint notions of "sovereignty" by nusratt · · Score: 1

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/networkpitc h2.JPG

    "You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples.
    There are no nations.
    There are no peoples.
    There are no Russians.
    There are no Arabs.
    There are no third worlds.
    There is no West!
    There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of dollars.
    Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, Reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels.
    It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet.
    That is the natural order of things today...

    You...howl about America and democracy.
    There is no America.
    There is no democracy.
    There is only IBM and ITT and A T & T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

    What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state -- Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

    We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business.

    The world is a business, Mr. Beale! It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war and famine, oppression or brutality -- one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused."

    1. Re:posters' quaint notions of "sovereignty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though i agree with most of the above.
      The world is a business, Mr. Beale! It has been since man crawled out of the slime.

      This i do not, if you where to look into the history of the Corporation, it's rise to power started in the Industrial era. Look even future back and we had Monarchy's where we we all owned by a king.
      If the king saw it fit, he could take your business, all your money and kill you.

      Power has been the driving force of human existence pretty much since the dawn of time, it's 'acquirement of power', is what has changed throughout history with the change of political systems..

  76. goodbye spamhaus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    isn't Spamhaus hosted by Telstra from Australia?

    Spammer's could easily send a notification of copyright infringement taking them offline.

  77. what about billing the violation claimants? by nusratt · · Score: 1

    The bill says that ISPs, etc. must investigate each claim of potential infringement.
    Does that necessarily bar the ISP from first billing the complainant for the cost involved?

  78. Reply from Canada... by asoap · · Score: 1
    What's cricket?

    What type of ice do you play that on?

    -Derek

    --
    Treat me like a marketing stat, and I'll treat your movie like a series of ones and zeros
    1. Re:Reply from Canada... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      I would say that too if my country got their arses kick in the last world cup - except for the Australian reared John Davison, you National Cricket team should play Hockey.

    2. Re:Reply from Canada... by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      Hockey? Our men's and women's hockey teams are among the best in the world (the women won gold in Athens, and the men weren't far off either).

      And we don't even need ice to play it on.

      --

      Cogito, ergo sig.

  79. Predictable counter- (and counter-counter-) moves by nusratt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next:
    increasing usage of unbreakably anonymous/encrypted p2p mechanisms.

    Then:
    prohibitions on p2p, encryption, and "non-standard" ports & protocols.

  80. Wild Wild EAST: China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This copyright law will have limited effect because most of the copyright violations occur within China (including Hong Kong and Taiwan province).

    The best way to fight piracy and copyright violations is to join the boycott (of products made in China, which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong) started by Dr. Wattenburg in the West Coast of the USA. Hurt the Chinese in the pocket book, and they will learn to respect intellectual property.

  81. Copyright extension: A Hidden Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly all this "Life +" business has a hidden agenda. Governments don't like artists, authors and the like. At the same time they realise that the general population does not favour such long copyrights. Clearly the intended result is that people will start killing various artists/authors to lessen the length of their copyrights.

  82. Must test links by tqft · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    Quant
  83. 'Free Trade'? by payndz · · Score: 1
    What the fuck does Australia sell so much of to the US that it's willing to cave in to everything Uncle Sam demands in order to keep the business going? Castlemaine XXXX? Paul Hogan movies? Novelty hats with corks? I can't believe that US-Australian trade is anything but utterly in America's favour, so why is Howard so keen to keep it that way?

    Not that I can talk - as a whingeing Pom, I live in a country where the supposedly left-wing Prime Minister is actually presenting himself in a goatse manner to a Republican President even more than Margaret Thatcher did to Ronald Reagan! Tony Blair, you're a fucking disgrace to your party *and* your country.

    Seriously - what *are* the kickbacks that our so-called 'leaders' in the UK and Australia are getting from Bush? A guaranteed place in the Mothership when the Rapture happens? A golden barcode when the New World Order is implemented? Whatever it is, it sure as fuck isn't benefiting the majority of the citizens!

    --
    You must think in Russian.
    1. Re:'Free Trade'? by LardBrattish · · Score: 1

      I'm English by passport & Australian by residency. I initially thought pretty much the same way as you.

      Then I heard about America using FTAs with Canada & Mexico to dump cheap Mexican goods onto Canada & cream off the profit. At this point I became very scared.

      Then Howard started talking about signing an FTA with a number of Asian countries & I figured out that Australia could be able to do to America what America did to Canada :)

      Imagine you're WALMART - for example - you buy 90% of your goods from, say, China (I'm making all of this up - swear to God) and you found out that by ordering all of your goods through Australia you cut the Tariffs down to 0% & the Australian middlemen claimed half of the difference as their cut what would you do?

      Yep, the American economy may be being destroyed but Australia can get a middleman's commission...

      I believe the benefit that's being promised is very lucrative lecture tours of America when they retire. Maggie got one. Johnny Howard's over retirement age & is probably balancing out how much c&*k sucking he can get in if he stays PM against how much time he can milk the circuit for after he retires before the yanks get bored with him.

      You'll note that Cherie Blair has already done a lecture tour so our Tone is already milking the states, confirming my opinion that he's 300x smarter than John Howard.

      What you have to realise is that the current Labour party in England is more right wing than the 1960s Conservative Party! The current CONs are off of the scale of right wing & totally unelectable (I hope). The actual left wing alternative is the Good old Lib-Dems who, by standing still are now the most Left wing party. If you lean to the Left, compare policys of Blair with the Lib Dems & vote with your conscience.

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      What are you listening to? (http://megamanic.blogetery.com/)
  84. Houses.... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They do it to the relatives houses, the teenage bomber I assume is in bits. Collective punishment was a war-crime last time I checked. I don't support EITHER side and if we all did that it would never have been more than a bar brawl between Arrafat and Sharron. The Iserali's are terrorizing all Palesinians because of the crimes of some AND they are a modern state. Yes there are thugs at the UN, they stand up and say "your with us or against us" and sell weapons to all sides. It makes me want to puke that zenophobes like you applaud the same behaviour that lead six million to the gas chambers.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  85. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    And then there's the Bush Administration ... don't get me started on them.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  86. Re:This country is the laughingstock of the intern by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    Troll? - maybe not informative but troll? 2 morons in 2 weeks, what a joke.

  87. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK is to the US what Hong Kong is to China; common foreign policy, but considerable leeway on domestic policy.

    Australia is to the US more like Wales is to England, down to having the same IP law and patent regime.

    Britain may be Corporate America's bitch, but at least it's a better class of bitchdom than what Australia gets.

  88. but if you did that... by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

    If you are really concerned about your "precious intellectual property" getting posted on the Internet DO NOT PUBLISH IT. Lock it up in your safe and don't let anyone see it

    But then you'd have no copyright protection because such protection applies from the date of first publication :-)

  89. Re:Globalisation by KevinIsOwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are right that globalization means Americanization for the time being, but the rest of your post is dead wrong.

    American values become a part of other cultures because America's culture is held in high esteem. Freedom and democracy hold lots of weight in the eyes of foreigners. America does not have to force its ideals on people, they openly accept them. Take fast food chains in Europe, for example. I have spent a good amount of time in Europe, and everyone I meet says how much they hate McDonalds, but they go there anyway. You see, Europeans in particular love to hate America. They say how much they hate McDonalds as they jam a big mac (or Royal, as it is called there) down their throat.

    The same holds true for the rest of the world. The more people despise American values, the more they become a part of their culture. Just do a little research instead of spouting off your anti-americanism. Almost all the leading figures on globalization agree on this: Globalization makes it incredibly easy for cultures to adapt pieces of other cultures into their own. America's culture is looked highly upon because of its freedom and openness. Therefore it is the one that is often taken from right now. In the future it may be a different culture.

    In the mean time, go research globalization while you eat fast food, listen to crappy MTV pop, and curse America.

  90. outsourcing gone wild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those politicians are so busy now they hardly have time to make laws anyway!

    Only makes sense to outsource that to the USA. :)

    Team America! Fuck Yea!

  91. Dancing... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1



    Speaking of reactions to 9/11 there was a great cartoon in a newspaper over here. It dipicted an enormous giant with a black-eye. He was picking himself up off the floor. Circled around him and streching off to infinity was a crowd of tiny people, all looking up. There was no caption, only the letters USA on the giants crumpled coat.

    "Palestinians danced in the streets to celebrate Sept 11th. My gut reaction then, was, not "oh dear, why do they hate us", but, "they hate us, kill them all."

    - That is exactly the reaction it was intended to elicit. Surely you can see the implied link between 9/11 and Arrafat. Repeating this propoganda and implying there were a significant number of people involved is the same as printing "American devils, jackals, demon consorters". I doubt you have seen your grandfather burried alive in his home by an armoured bulldozer or heard the screams from your children when thier big brother's head suddenly explodes from a random sniper bullet. Gaza is basically an insecure prison where the gaurds are armed with tanks and Helicopter Gunships. The violence from both sides is motivated purely by revenge and Machevellian politics. Arms dealers love it.

    "I used to support the Palestinian cause".

    It is not a football match. When observers feel they have to choose one sides atrocities over the others the problem can only get worse. If you really must have a "cause", do us all a favour and pick one that is constructive.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  92. Re:Globalisation by Captain+Scurvy · · Score: 0
    They say how much they hate McDonalds as they jam a big mac (or Royal, as it is called there) down their throat.

    Vincent: You know what they call a Big Mac with cheese in paris?
    Jules: They don't call it a Big Mac with cheese?
    Vincent: No, they got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the fuck "big" is.. er.. I mean, they don't know what the fuck a "mac" is. Wait a sec, I think I need to watch Pulp Fiction again to learn about Europe, cause I totally fucked this all up.

  93. Australian "fair dealing" as opposed to "fair use" by elegie · · Score: 1

    Australia has a copyright provision called "fair dealing" which is similar to fair use in some ways. However, the two are certainly not identical. See this information sheet (PDF format) for details. In particular, fair dealing specifies a number of categories for usage of a copyrighted work. It is important for the use of a work to fall within one of the categories for the use to be fair. In this respect, "fair dealing" sounds less general and open-ended as compared to US "fair use." (Among other things, the information sheet talks about the differences between "fair dealing" and "fair use.")

  94. No shame in A/C... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    ...and that is the way it should be, however, diplomatically you are what is known as an appologist. Your standards of "evidence" look to me like someone who would support Bush in everything simply because you voted for him (ie: one-eyed). Many people did the same with Hitler & Stalin, it is part of human nature. BTW: The US OPPOSED creating the state of Isreal after the war, go figure, huh?.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    1. Re:No shame in A/C... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course I support him in everything... like his dumbassed idea to legalize thousands of illegal immigrants though unofficial channels. LOOK! A conservative... he must not be able to think because his party platform isn't based on false tolerance and diversity.

      That's why the victorious war powers all agreed to it.. except the Palestinians and the US has been Israel's most ardent supporter and supplier.

    2. Re:No shame in A/C... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      LOOK! A conservative... he must not be able to think because his party platform isn't based on false tolerance and diversity. - You are so sad, not because you vote for Bush, but because it sounds like you desire a world based on intolerance and conformity. I understand the A/C post since you probably only share these thoughts online. Your lack of empathy for fellow humans is a serious problem, seek proffessional help.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    3. Re:No shame in A/C... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intolerance to what, Palestinians blowing up cafes and busses with school children because Israel exists as a state? If they did not threaten the safety of Israelis, there would be no reason to destroy houses or for any Israeli action on the Palestinians who commit those acts.

      Conformity to what, politcal correctness? Politcal correctness is the engine for the construction a psuedo-intellectual, weak society that has no true diversity because everyone conforms to the standards of thought in society set down by those who claim to be your social betters, once again resulting in a top down, tyrannical management of another aspect of culture.

      Sympathy not empathy.. no one blows up cafes and school busses in my city because they hate Israel.

  95. Re:Globalisation by realityfighter · · Score: 1

    I would refute your post, but honestly I have no idea what you are saying. What do Big Macs have to do with the values of freedom and democracy?

    When I think about where I want to have lunch, I don't go through all the restaurants looking for one that represents the most prestigious culture. I don't drive by McDonalds and think, "ah, McDonalds, you sell overpriced crappy food that clogs my arteries, but your American ideals are just so pure. I must have a Big Mac! Now!"

    Usually, my thoughts are more along the lines of, "There's nothing in this town but a McDonald's. Fuck."

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    A strain of paranoid prevention can be worse than the disease, whate'er the intention.