"Sure, it sucks to either go without phone or internet, it is worse of BOTH are out. "
I had this exact thought yesterday when my cable went out. How do you call your cable company to get them to fix it if your phone is over their network? Doubley a problem as in addition to tv and internet, my cable company (TimeWarner Austin) provides VoIP phones.
Not sure why this is modded funny, Blizzard (among others) uses BT to deliver plenty of games, and its also the easiest way to get RTCW:ET. Oh, and for the curious: the guy that made BT works on steam now.
You most likely paid for a copy of cs1.0/1.1 thats still sitting on the cd you paid for. Go install it, go nuts with it..its yours. Just don't cry when noone else wants to play an outdated version that crashes more often than not with tons of known bugs (dropping kevlar, changing models, fullbright hacks, etc...and thats just from the console.)
I'd much rather use a download one level ahead system IF it cached. You then check if your cached files creation date is older than the servers creation date, if so you use delta compression to just download the updates.
Downloading as you go the way the grand-parent-poster suggested wouldnt work because you need to know a lot about a map before you start computing it for things like shadows embeded cameras (like HL2 or q3), etc. Then theres the problem of sounds from far away, and probably some more.
" It would be pretty nice to have an unified system, but i don't think it's happening. "
The problem with everyone using valve is valve is a competitor to their game. Even a company like blizzard that doesn't make PC FPS games (Unless they port sc ghost) couldnt justify giving such a great asset to them, because you're essentially advertising something people could play instead
"3) Re the ibook: She has a Mac-zealot for a neighbor who is so rabid about the things it's pretty much guaranteed that she'll never buy one. She fears that shit might be contagious."
So you're saying shes not the type to say her computer goes beep beep beep beep? (I wonder if anyone will still ge the reference..)
"4) And finally, I'd just have whoever use my WAP instead. Which does filtering based on MAC addresses. If you're not on the list it doesn't even acknowledge your existance."
So they sniff it first, find a mac address thats being sent into the air, then set their card to broadcast themselfs as that. (ifcontrol hwaddr 1111:2222:3333etc, iirc)
The real problem isnt what you're doing, its what you're thinking. No matter how secure your system is, there IS a way to break in, and denying that just makes you more attackable. As for ways around your firewall.. Code execution exploit in some random buffer overflow (these.jpg parsing ones are just the start of a hellish amount of exploits coming out soon), then it phones home over a http connection that your firewall should allow (if not, you'd make theo de raddt proud). Client sends server a "I'm here what do you want me to do?" command, server responds with whatever it wants you to attack, or whatever new code it needs you to run (such as an autoexploiter onto your lan)
Or substitute buffer overflow for code execution with insecure autoupdating code and dns poisoning at your isp.
Because you're essentially freeballing it? Once one person gets past your firewall they'll find the vulnerable kernel and get into your machine, and you'll be sitting around with a false sense of security not even attempting to detect such a break in. Keep in mind that any application you run can start tunneling in connections (reverse tcp proxy), or when you're out on vacation and your sister whos watching your house decieds to throw an open wap inside your net so she can use her ibook.
So, for the sake of security, throw some damned boxers on and maybe even a cup.
Thanks,
--Your Penis.
PS: Stop trying to use nair on me, it really burns. Just shave me every now and then, okay?
For that mater, Ext2fsd for windows is much better. Just launch the service and it adds a REAL file system driver (not an interface hack), which allows you to mount ext2/ext3 and mangle whatever file you want in whatever application you want (including an ms dos prompt).
And every one of these games would become even better if the engine could be enhanced. A good example would be RTCW:ET(though still closed source). ID/Activision could of just shelfed the game since they had to cut back on R&D to the point of it never becoming completed. Instead, they release it entirely for free, giving their customers an alternative to everyone elses games. Every hour someone spends playing your game is an hour they're not spending on someone elses.
HL is dying, you don't need netcraft to confirm it. The majority of HL servers out there are bots, be they DoD, TFC, CS, or even NS. Every 'player listing' anybody puts out includes these bots as players, because unlike unreal (which I hate, for the record) you cannot distinguish the bots when querying servers.
Everything you mentioned(excluding details) is well over 2 or 3 years old now. The new network code (which is horribly unfair to people with low ping being dragged back half way across the map because some asian shot you in the foot as you passed a hallway) was as you said 2-3 years after the release, which is still almost 4 years ago. Doesn't help defeat my "valve is whoring the source to the engine they arnt updating" theory.
Quake2: Dec 1997 HL1 : Oct 1998 Quake3: Jan 2000 Q2SRC : Dec 2001
Guess what carmacks getting us for christmas? I'll give you a clue: its a game engine he no longer feels like maintaining.
I just think its utterly selfish for a company to sit on an engine they don't update, forcing it to die off so that they can sell an updated version. It makes them look like bad programmers if they can't truely innovate an update that can stand on its own merit.
"Truth be told, most of the multiplayer FPSs I really enjoy are on the HL engine. Which is pretty much the Q2 engine underneath."
Q1. NOT Q2. Specificly quakeworld, which is just the online targeted Q1. While I agree that some of the best mods are off the HL engine, thats more sad than anything. Valve has proven to not care about the community many times, and we're all essentially stuck with an engine that they refuse to enhance any more because it lets them sell a new version. If you don't care about your engine, why not let the community take care of it? HL is essentially just quake1 with about 6 months of work added on. Compare that to the current itterations of quakeworld which are essentially just quake1 with 6 YEARS of work added on. What has valve done to enhance HL's renderer over the past year? Detail textures were added when CZ was released (and not really announced much), and thats it as far as I know. Still UGLY sprite based explosions(are particles that hard to code?) Still sprite based shadows(Atleast give us blobs, if not per pixel). Still only able to load MDL and BSP2-HL maps. (compared to FTEQuake's md3 support, and support for maps from q1/q2/q3/hexen/hl), console is still horrible, overall its really only barely been improved.
Anyone who cares enough, grab a copy of equake(a quakeworld distrobution) at equake.quakeworld.nu
I was actually just trolling against gentoo, but if you want to talk linux as a whole, grab quake3's linux binaries(even just the demo) and you'll find they install just as easily as on windows-- Its a nice shell script with a tarball encoded into it that can extract/run itself, complete with a cute little gtk wizard. I'd honestly be suprised if doom3 doesnt use the same system (this is how they distributed rtcw and et also, so its sort of their defacto standard).
The real problem with linux gaming isnt installing, its answering questions like "Why doesnt my sound work?" Explaining while in linux a single app can lock your soudncard vs windows where I regularly have aim im sounds notifying me who signs on and off while winamp plays some good music and my game has no problem. Hell, I can even switch from headphones to speakers entirely in software(TurtleBeach SantaCruz)
According from what I've learned by playing against them in online games, all we need to learn is how to defend against zerg rushes, and possibly develope some Stones Of Jordon to trade for their nukes?
Or to put it in their words, HUK HUK ZERG RUSH ^_^ KEKEKKEK YUO GIEV SOJ?!??11
Funny, but way too long for a comic. They should try to limit it to 3-4panes per comic, like Penny Arcade. They could even sacrifice having humor in it, like Penny Arcade.
The problem with any third party client is directims are more likely to crash you than they are to work. Sure, gaim can usually get a connection going, but once someone pastes a bitmap or a large jpeg or whatever, there goes your client.
WinAIM breaks compatability with itself pretty much every version, but atleast if it fails it fails gracefully.
Or under a real distro, apt-get install bittornado.
Why the fuck would someone remake ports using python when anyone with half a clue and some desire has had the REAL ports under linux since back in the linux 2.2 days? I don't have the link anymore (I since found out that debian is better), but you can find the ports tree in a nice tarball off sourceforge that install clean and works, goes nicely with a slack install.
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Funny, it seems to have no problem indexing my ext2 filesystems. You remembered to mount them first, right?
Whats the difference? Theyre both application bugs in rendering engines running in userspace. Both lead to code execution.
"Sure, it sucks to either go without phone or internet, it is worse of BOTH are out. "
I had this exact thought yesterday when my cable went out. How do you call your cable company to get them to fix it if your phone is over their network? Doubley a problem as in addition to tv and internet, my cable company (TimeWarner Austin) provides VoIP phones.
Since 12year old girls started using IM. They might not be the best conversationalists, but stick them behind a cam...
Not sure why this is modded funny, Blizzard (among others) uses BT to deliver plenty of games, and its also the easiest way to get RTCW:ET. Oh, and for the curious: the guy that made BT works on steam now.
You most likely paid for a copy of cs1.0/1.1 thats still sitting on the cd you paid for. Go install it, go nuts with it..its yours. Just don't cry when noone else wants to play an outdated version that crashes more often than not with tons of known bugs (dropping kevlar, changing models, fullbright hacks, etc...and thats just from the console.)
So? Its better than dividing *cough.conditionzero* the userbase *cough.1.6* among *cough.source* different *cough.cs2* games.
What do you do when you control the most popular game? Fragment it so people have to buy multiple copies!
I'd much rather use a download one level ahead system IF it cached. You then check if your cached files creation date is older than the servers creation date, if so you use delta compression to just download the updates.
Downloading as you go the way the grand-parent-poster suggested wouldnt work because you need to know a lot about a map before you start computing it for things like shadows embeded cameras (like HL2 or q3), etc. Then theres the problem of sounds from far away, and probably some more.
" It would be pretty nice to have an unified system, but i don't think it's happening. "
The problem with everyone using valve is valve is a competitor to their game. Even a company like blizzard that doesn't make PC FPS games (Unless they port sc ghost) couldnt justify giving such a great asset to them, because you're essentially advertising something people could play instead
Right company, wrong product. ASE is great, but its no use once you're ingame. Try the old quakeworld proxy qizmo (http://www.udpsoft.com/qizmo/).
"3) Re the ibook: She has a Mac-zealot for a neighbor who is so rabid about the things it's pretty much guaranteed that she'll never buy one. She fears that shit might be contagious."
So you're saying shes not the type to say her computer goes beep beep beep beep? (I wonder if anyone will still ge the reference..)
"4) And finally, I'd just have whoever use my WAP instead. Which does filtering based on MAC addresses. If you're not on the list it doesn't even acknowledge your existance."
So they sniff it first, find a mac address thats being sent into the air, then set their card to broadcast themselfs as that. (ifcontrol hwaddr 1111:2222:3333etc, iirc)
The real problem isnt what you're doing, its what you're thinking. No matter how secure your system is, there IS a way to break in, and denying that just makes you more attackable.
As for ways around your firewall.. Code execution exploit in some random buffer overflow (these
Or substitute buffer overflow for code execution with insecure autoupdating code and dns poisoning at your isp.
Because you're essentially freeballing it?
Once one person gets past your firewall they'll find the vulnerable kernel and get into your machine, and you'll be sitting around with a false sense of security not even attempting to detect such a break in. Keep in mind that any application you run can start tunneling in connections (reverse tcp proxy), or when you're out on vacation and your sister whos watching your house decieds to throw an open wap inside your net so she can use her ibook.
So, for the sake of security, throw some damned boxers on and maybe even a cup.
Thanks,
--Your Penis.
PS: Stop trying to use nair on me, it really burns. Just shave me every now and then, okay?
For that mater, Ext2fsd for windows is much better. Just launch the service and it adds a REAL file system driver (not an interface hack), which allows you to mount ext2/ext3 and mangle whatever file you want in whatever application you want (including an ms dos prompt).
WHats the point of using a shell hack?
"tnk i nd n ext fst"
And every one of these games would become even better if the engine could be enhanced. A good example would be RTCW:ET(though still closed source). ID/Activision could of just shelfed the game since they had to cut back on R&D to the point of it never becoming completed. Instead, they release it entirely for free, giving their customers an alternative to everyone elses games. Every hour someone spends playing your game is an hour they're not spending on someone elses.
HL is dying, you don't need netcraft to confirm it. The majority of HL servers out there are bots, be they DoD, TFC, CS, or even NS. Every 'player listing' anybody puts out includes these bots as players, because unlike unreal (which I hate, for the record) you cannot distinguish the bots when querying servers.
No, I want the source so that they don't have to.
Everything you mentioned(excluding details) is well over 2 or 3 years old now. The new network code (which is horribly unfair to people with low ping being dragged back half way across the map because some asian shot you in the foot as you passed a hallway) was as you said 2-3 years after the release, which is still almost 4 years ago. Doesn't help defeat my "valve is whoring the source to the engine they arnt updating" theory.
Quake2: Dec 1997
HL1 : Oct 1998
Quake3: Jan 2000
Q2SRC : Dec 2001
Guess what carmacks getting us for christmas? I'll give you a clue: its a game engine he no longer feels like maintaining.
I just think its utterly selfish for a company to sit on an engine they don't update, forcing it to die off so that they can sell an updated version. It makes them look like bad programmers if they can't truely innovate an update that can stand on its own merit.
"Truth be told, most of the multiplayer FPSs I really enjoy are on the HL engine. Which is pretty much the Q2 engine underneath."
Q1. NOT Q2. Specificly quakeworld, which is just the online targeted Q1. While I agree that some of the best mods are off the HL engine, thats more sad than anything. Valve has proven to not care about the community many times, and we're all essentially stuck with an engine that they refuse to enhance any more because it lets them sell a new version. If you don't care about your engine, why not let the community take care of it? HL is essentially just quake1 with about 6 months of work added on. Compare that to the current itterations of quakeworld which are essentially just quake1 with 6 YEARS of work added on.
What has valve done to enhance HL's renderer over the past year? Detail textures were added when CZ was released (and not really announced much), and thats it as far as I know. Still UGLY sprite based explosions(are particles that hard to code?) Still sprite based shadows(Atleast give us blobs, if not per pixel). Still only able to load MDL and BSP2-HL maps. (compared to FTEQuake's md3 support, and support for maps from q1/q2/q3/hexen/hl), console is still horrible, overall its really only barely been improved.
Anyone who cares enough, grab a copy of equake(a quakeworld distrobution) at equake.quakeworld.nu
Yeah, personally though when I'm browsing kiddieporn at open wifi spots and they ask for my email, I use cpiliotis@shaw.ca
a 500mhz is overkill for a quake server. You can get a good 12-16 person game going on a 166mhz.
It would work great for lan parties, you could just plug it in and leave it silently running in a corner while all your friends frag away.
I was actually just trolling against gentoo, but if you want to talk linux as a whole, grab quake3's linux binaries(even just the demo) and you'll find they install just as easily as on windows-- Its a nice shell script with a tarball encoded into it that can extract/run itself, complete with a cute little gtk wizard. I'd honestly be suprised if doom3 doesnt use the same system (this is how they distributed rtcw and et also, so its sort of their defacto standard).
The real problem with linux gaming isnt installing, its answering questions like "Why doesnt my sound work?" Explaining while in linux a single app can lock your soudncard vs windows where I regularly have aim im sounds notifying me who signs on and off while winamp plays some good music and my game has no problem. Hell, I can even switch from headphones to speakers entirely in software(TurtleBeach SantaCruz)
According from what I've learned by playing against them in online games, all we need to learn is how to defend against zerg rushes, and possibly develope some Stones Of Jordon to trade for their nukes?
Or to put it in their words,
HUK HUK ZERG RUSH ^_^ KEKEKKEK YUO GIEV SOJ?!??11
If you're just normally imming, sure. The problems i mentioned were with direct ims(a feature limited to AIM, afaik)
Funny, but way too long for a comic. They should try to limit it to 3-4panes per comic, like Penny Arcade. They could even sacrifice having humor in it, like Penny Arcade.
The problem with any third party client is directims are more likely to crash you than they are to work. Sure, gaim can usually get a connection going, but once someone pastes a bitmap or a large jpeg or whatever, there goes your client.
WinAIM breaks compatability with itself pretty much every version, but atleast if it fails it fails gracefully.
Or under a real distro, apt-get install bittornado.
Why the fuck would someone remake ports using python when anyone with half a clue and some desire has had the REAL ports under linux since back in the linux 2.2 days? I don't have the link anymore (I since found out that debian is better), but you can find the ports tree in a nice tarball off sourceforge that install clean and works, goes nicely with a slack install.