But why would they spend resources to compete in a shrinking market? I could see Apple developing phone software (say, for Sony Ericsson), which would most likely give you the PDA functions you desire, but I don't see them promiscuously adding features to the iPod. Part of the appeal of the iPod is its functional simplicity.
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I just noticed something.
The AV cable, which I believe came with the iPod Photo, is now extra. Same deal with the dock.
The older models came with both a USB 2.0 and a FW cable. The new ones come with only a USB 2.0 cable.
On the plus side, Apple is clearing out the old stock. Check the "Special Deals" page. 40 GB and 60 GB with
Apple Earphones AC Adapter FireWire cable USB 2.0 cable iPod photo AV cable iPod photo Dock Carrying Case
$379 and $479 respectively.
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The last jump, from 30GB to top of the line 60GB is only $100? I make the check out to Steve Jobs or just Apple Computer? =)
My 10 GB iPod is only 2/3rds full, so I'm good. However, if the iTunes Movie store ever materializes, the 60 GB model will be compelling.
Oh, I see. You want to argue the validity of Apple's potential damages. See, I wasn't arguing Apple's case. I was merely pointing out a way in which they could easily quantify such damages to the court, which you claimed would be difficult.
And I also don't think you've even read the articles. If you had, you would know that:
1) Apple recorded 2,500 downloads between late October and mid December. (Sunny claims he only seeded for three hours before the seed was disabled by the tracker admins at Apple's behest.)
2) The server logs were already recovered. The guys running the tracker have completely cooperated with Apple.
So go ahead, argue about how no one was harmed, since no one who downloaded was a developer. I'm sure you'll win a big moral victory on slashdot court, but your argument is a nonstarter in a real courtroom.
e. It's typical of the process by which ageing hippies become Republicans.
That certainly explains the shift we've seen in the Democratic party towards the center, but by what process is it that aging republicans become fascists? (I'm a registered republican, btw)
The first would clearly be a matter for the criminal courts.
The second, in this particular case, is being handled in civil court.
Anonymous Coward, I know that the US legal system as been explained to you many times here on slashdot. Please stop with the posts offering your "legal insights" when you've failed to learn anything from the explanations.
I would hope that the true Steve Jobs worshipping zombie (like myself) would know what an huge and terrific asshole he is. Still, we wouldn't have it any other way.
You've offered an interesting tidbit to that effect, but it's just part of a huge wave of evidence that points to Steve's assholity. In fact, true believers refer to him as "his assholiness".
They'll have a heck of a time proving they suffered significant damages
If they can track the number of unauthorized copies made from the seed, then multiply by $500, that is easily good enough.
Failing that, they can provide a convincing estimate. Then it's up to the defendant to argue convincingly that the estimate is wrong.
They can also argue for court costs.
On the extreme low end, Apple is entitled to $3,000 (the five or six "friends" that the defendant has admitted to) + court costs.
I hesitate to speculate on the high end, but let's say that Apple put forth that 20 unauthorized copies were made from the seed. $10,000 bucks right there. A hundred unauthorized copies comes out to $500,000.
What's important is not how much such an award might effect Apple's bottom line. To a big corp, this is peanuts. What is important to Apple is how this effects the defendant, and most especially, others who might make unauthorized copies.
Apple's fucking with these people's lives, in spite of the fact that they didn't cause any real harm.
If you don't want Apple fucking with your life, don't fuck with them, even if you're of the opinion that it's essentially harmless. Apple didn't initiate this chain of events.
Firewire is also overkill for many applications when USB is good enough, so it's not surprising that the majority of manufacturers have dragged their feet.
A large part of Apple's strategy has hinged on multi-media. They've bundled (and sold) applications that require or greatly benefit from firewire. Not many video cameras have USB output.
On the other hand, there hasn't been much demand on the PC side for firewire. Those intrepid enough to dare the shoals of really bad video editing software could be expected to add a PCI firewire card.
Cable is cheap. It's the installation after the fact that is expensive. That's why it's best to do it as part of the house building process. However, technology changes and we don't know what will be standard 50 years from now, so the idea of installing conduit now for pulling cable later is sound.
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But why would they spend resources to compete in a shrinking market? I could see Apple developing phone software (say, for Sony Ericsson), which would most likely give you the PDA functions you desire, but I don't see them promiscuously adding features to the iPod. Part of the appeal of the iPod is its functional simplicity.
I just noticed something.
The AV cable, which I believe came with the iPod Photo, is now extra. Same deal with the dock.
The older models came with both a USB 2.0 and a FW cable. The new ones come with only a USB 2.0 cable.
On the plus side, Apple is clearing out the old stock. Check the "Special Deals" page. 40 GB and 60 GB with
Apple Earphones
AC Adapter
FireWire cable
USB 2.0 cable
iPod photo AV cable
iPod photo Dock
Carrying Case
$379 and $479 respectively.
The last jump, from 30GB to top of the line 60GB is only $100? I make the check out to Steve Jobs or just Apple Computer? =)
My 10 GB iPod is only 2/3rds full, so I'm good. However, if the iTunes Movie store ever materializes, the 60 GB model will be compelling.
You mean a CompUSA or somesuch plan, not Applecare? Or does this apply with Applecare?
But to which part of your body does your trainer apply it?
I saw a sign for two fish sandwiches for $4. Does that mean that Moore's Law has caught up with the fish sandwich?
That depends. Were fish sandwiches two for $8 six months ago?
At least the article didn't ask the question: Is this the Mac Mini killer?
Well, they might have lost the war, but they did get the two fingered salute out of the deal.
Oh, I see. You want to argue the validity of Apple's potential damages. See, I wasn't arguing Apple's case. I was merely pointing out a way in which they could easily quantify such damages to the court, which you claimed would be difficult.
And I also don't think you've even read the articles. If you had, you would know that:
1) Apple recorded 2,500 downloads between late October and mid December. (Sunny claims he only seeded for three hours before the seed was disabled by the tracker admins at Apple's behest.)
2) The server logs were already recovered. The guys running the tracker have completely cooperated with Apple.
So go ahead, argue about how no one was harmed, since no one who downloaded was a developer. I'm sure you'll win a big moral victory on slashdot court, but your argument is a nonstarter in a real courtroom.
The problem is that he uses fear mongering to push his jingoistic agenda.
That's not something civilized people do, at least not in the United States.
Don't forget Poland! He forgot Poland!
history, it seems, will no longer be "written by the victor" but "written by those with a broadband internet connection".
In Korea, only old people write history.
I think they're still bitter about the English long bow thing.
You're just being thick intentionally. Do you really need more explanation?
Meanwhile, perhaps you can explain why my comment using the words "fucking" and "fuck" is immature, while your comment is not immature.
e. It's typical of the process by which ageing hippies become Republicans.
That certainly explains the shift we've seen in the Democratic party towards the center, but by what process is it that aging republicans become fascists? (I'm a registered republican, btw)
IIRC, they've already dealt with the developer who gave the "kid" access to the Tiger Beta.
The first would clearly be a matter for the criminal courts.
The second, in this particular case, is being handled in civil court.
Anonymous Coward, I know that the US legal system as been explained to you many times here on slashdot. Please stop with the posts offering your "legal insights" when you've failed to learn anything from the explanations.
Die, infidel!!
I would hope that the true Steve Jobs worshipping zombie (like myself) would know what an huge and terrific asshole he is. Still, we wouldn't have it any other way.
You've offered an interesting tidbit to that effect, but it's just part of a huge wave of evidence that points to Steve's assholity. In fact, true believers refer to him as "his assholiness".
They'll have a heck of a time proving they suffered significant damages
If they can track the number of unauthorized copies made from the seed, then multiply by $500, that is easily good enough.
Failing that, they can provide a convincing estimate. Then it's up to the defendant to argue convincingly that the estimate is wrong.
They can also argue for court costs.
On the extreme low end, Apple is entitled to $3,000 (the five or six "friends" that the defendant has admitted to) + court costs.
I hesitate to speculate on the high end, but let's say that Apple put forth that 20 unauthorized copies were made from the seed. $10,000 bucks right there. A hundred unauthorized copies comes out to $500,000.
What's important is not how much such an award might effect Apple's bottom line. To a big corp, this is peanuts. What is important to Apple is how this effects the defendant, and most especially, others who might make unauthorized copies.
Apple's fucking with these people's lives, in spite of the fact that they didn't cause any real harm.
If you don't want Apple fucking with your life, don't fuck with them, even if you're of the opinion that it's essentially harmless. Apple didn't initiate this chain of events.
perhaps the world would be better served if he didn't apply such excellent decision-making in the operating room.
Actually, when you think about it, he's getting an invaluable experience that will come in handy the first time he's sued for malpractice.
Firewire is also overkill for many applications when USB is good enough, so it's not surprising that the majority of manufacturers have dragged their feet.
A large part of Apple's strategy has hinged on multi-media. They've bundled (and sold) applications that require or greatly benefit from firewire. Not many video cameras have USB output.
On the other hand, there hasn't been much demand on the PC side for firewire. Those intrepid enough to dare the shoals of really bad video editing software could be expected to add a PCI firewire card.
If I could tell where the quote ended and your response began, I might have actually read your post.
Formatting. It's a word, look it up.
I'd quote make and model but I'm a few hundred klicks away ATM...
That sounds like the most horrible interface I ever heard of. Who designed that site?
Oh. you meant kilometers. Nevermind. =)
Yeah? Well, those hermaphrodites can go fuck themselves.
Cable is cheap. It's the installation after the fact that is expensive. That's why it's best to do it as part of the house building process. However, technology changes and we don't know what will be standard 50 years from now, so the idea of installing conduit now for pulling cable later is sound.