I agree that the appearance is so strong as to leave little doubt, but I also believe that one should be careful how one phrases it, seeking precision.
Maybe I'm being nit-picky, but I'd write "To the extent that there is any evidence at all about the source of SCO's funding, in each case the ultimate source appears to be Microsoft"
as
To the extent that there is any evidence about the sources of SCO's funding, in each case we clearly see Microsoft's
involvement.
Also, I think that tracing the involvement should be enough. No need to produce the canceled checks, which probably don't exist anyway.
Hopefully, IBM will pursue this and reveal any connections between MS and Canopy. Canopy owns the majority stake in SCO, is most likely behind the pump and dump scheme and other shenanigans (Altus?) What is there connection to MS?
Hey Curtman, we're missing your valuable input over on this topic. At least read the nice linked article over at Groklaw. Then maybe you could tell us your famous crow recipe.
You've brought up some very good points that are not the same as the tired old one button mouse argument.
I wonder, though, if Apple would be willing to build your configuration if you were going to order in volume? Has anyone ever been able to do this? I think even VA Tec got G5s with video cards for the supercomputer.
If Apple isn't already doing this, and I suspect they're not, it would be a very good idea to offer more flexibility for customers ordering more than, say, 100 computers at a time.
Of course, maybe this doesn't come up that often for Apple. =)
Probably a mixed environment is best, keeping in mind the "best tool for the job" principal (BSD is not going to make a good desktop OS in corporate America). No OS is going to be entirely secure*, so a mixed environment provides the best protection against virus and worm epidemics.
Then I liked it until I played with one in CompUSA. When I tilted the monitor down the screen went black! The connectors were shoddy, and tilting it back fixed it. Maybe it was a particularly bad display model, but I usually expect the premium price on Macs to buy higher quality.
Blame it on CompUSA, not Apple. If anyone at that CompUSA was even aware it was broken and had the initiative to report the problem, it would have been fixed or replaced. It's been awhile since I've been inside a CompUSA, but the last time, 4 out of 6 Mac display units were fubared. I'd be delighted to hear that the situation has improved.
Well the deal here is that IBM has SCO between a rock and a hard place. If SCO tries to show code at this point, IBM asks why haven't they shown the code earlier, after numerous court ordered discovery attempts? If they show code now, they will be demonstrating that they haven't complied with the court's orders.
IBM is also foreclosing on their defense of saying that the case isn't about copyright, and therefore IBM shouldn't be allowed to bring this "alien" motion. IBM is doing this by pointing out how SCO has done nothing but characterize their complaint as copyright infringement outside of the courtroom.
IBM has efffectively and devastatingly weakened the overall case while utterly destroying SCO's SCOsource program. And they've made it look easy.
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Application Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2004 - including Microsoft® Word and Encarta Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 3.2GHz w/ Hyper-Threading Technology, 800MHz FSB and 1MB L2 Cache Memory: 512MB 400MHz DDR SDRAM (2-256MB modules) Hard Drive: 160GB Ultra ATA100 7200rpm hard drive w/ 8MB performance enhancing cache Floppy Drive: Integrated 1.44MB 3.5" floppy diskette drive Optical Drive: Integrated DVD±R/±RW/CD-RW recorder Extended Service Plan Including Limited Warranty: Desktop Value Service Plan -- 1 year parts/labor/no on-site/1 year technical support Expansion Slots: (1) Type II PC card slot External Ports: (6) USB 2.0 ports (2 side, 4 rear), (1) Serial (back), (1) Parallel, (2) PS/2 Input/Output Jacks: Line-in, line-out and mic (back), headphone and mic (front), VGA-out (in back on NVIDIA® graphics configurations)[?], VGA-in Dimensions: 16.93" x 18.66" x 7.41" (WxHxD), approximately 25.4lb. Screen: 19" LCD flat panel display Video: Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 with 64MB shared memory buffer Keyboard and Mouse: Gateway Wireless Keyboard/Wireless Optical Mouse Multimedia Package: Integrated sound and stereo speakers Modem/Wireless: V.92 56k modem Network Adapter: Integrated Intel® 10/100/1000 Ethernet (Gigabit) adapter
Price is $1999 USD, 100 more than the top of the line iMac. What are the differences?
Extremely crappy video on the Gateway. Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 with 64MB shared memory buffer WTF? The Apple card (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra w/64MB video memory) isn't the greatest, but at least it's a card, with it's very own memory. I couldn't find a way to upgrade the Gateway's video on their web page.
iMac offers digital optical out, Gateway doesn't.
Gateway offers wireless keyboard and mouse standard, on the iMac it's a $99 upgrade.
Gateway offers 256 more RAM.
The Gateway AIO offers 2 FW ports (like the Mac) but one of them is a 4 pin connector? (WTF? Why? That's like wearing a three fingered glove because your friend (Sony) lost a couple of fingers in an accident.)
Oh, and the Gateway 19" screen is not widescreen.
However the deal killer for me is that the Gateway offers a built in floppy drive. Apple does not. Joke!
If you have a bluetooth enabled phone (or bluetooth enabled Palm OS device) you can use Salling Clicker software to control your Mac from across the room.
Dude, if you had enough money and you farted, some lawyer would come after you with a class action suit.
I'm not against class action law suits in principle, and we've seen them do some good, but we've also seen too much abuse.
What bothers me the most about such abuses is that they give ammunition to the "tort reformers" who would like to see only the corporations and the rich with access to lawyers.
Very interesting analysis. From what you're projecting, it's not too far a leap to a subscription based model, which is where MS has wanted to head all along. (Remember the hue and cry when they announced moves in this direction before?)
It's also somewhat similar to the way Apple rolls out OS X updates. (That has also caused consternation among a small vocal minority of OS X users that don't want to pay for upgrades but don't want to be "left behind".)
So it wouldn't surprise me to see MS try and put a subscription model under the radar. And it might not be such a bad thing, now that MS is facing pricing pressure from OSS.
One thing to keep in mind is that there are some built in limits to how many programming jobs can be outsourced to other countries, insofar as there are not limitless amounts of programmers in the various developing countries.
And while it probably appeared snide, the suggestion to move was quite serious. I'm moving to Mexico (admittedly, not for a programming job), and while I'm going to be paid much less for the sort of work I do, the cost of living is quite low, while the quality of living is quite high (at least as I define it). There are a lot of opportunities in Mexico right now in many knowledge based fields; I'm sure this is similar in other developing countries. And at the risk of further burdening you bookshelf, if you're good, it shouldn't be too hard to pick up another language (Spanish;)
Well, put it like that, then which candidate is more likely to ear mark funds for retraining and to extend unemployment benefits?
Outsourcing cannot be stopped without doing a lot of damage to the economy. More damage than it would prevent. Face it, your cheese has been outsourced, so stop complaining about who moved it.
So what are you going to do about it? Your best bet is to either retrain or move to where the jobs are. The cost of living is much lower in India, China, Mexico, etc., so you might actually find a comfortable standard of living.
Maybe you should read TFA, so you won't look like an unemployable idiot on slash dot by asking questions that are answered in TFA.
Technological change in software programming modularizes and decomposes the functions into design, coding, maintenance, and user interface. Design and interface must be done together with the customer, but coding and maintenance do not require close proximity with customers and can be done by less costly programmers abroad. The higher-wage jobs, involving design and interface, must still be performed in the U.S.
or
Meanwhile, U.S. IT jobs continue to move up the IT skills ladder. Demand increases for workers with the skills needed to design, customize, and utilize IT applications, particularly in the lagging sectors and among SMEs. Some of the transformation in types of IT jobs in response to global sourcing of software can be seen in detailed occupation data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. From 1999 to 2002 (last available data), the number of "programming" jobs in the U.S. earning on average $64,000 fell by some 71,000. But jobs held by application and system software engineers earning on average $74,000 increased by 115,000. Thus, even as it increases the number of IT jobs, global sourcing of software and services changes the nature of IT jobs, moving them up the skills ladder and diffusing them throughout the U.S. economy.
If you're not willing to retrain, maybe you should consider moving to India or China, where your skills will be up to date. If your bookshelf is overflowing, you might want to 1) Get rid off the books that are obsolete, 2) Buy or build another bookshelf, and 3) look into the O'Reilly Safari Bookshelf.
The fact that his father was recieving Social Security indicates that he was retired anyway, so he probably had other motivations for "scaling back", i.e., kicking back.
I'm sure this broke Tuber's heart, as he saw his inheritance either stay the same or shrink, instead of grow as it had before his father's retirement.
Just so you know, that's not really how law school text books are laid out, with how-to's, winning strategies and such. Instead they're filled with case law as illustrative examples of legal principles.
Perhaps someday, David Nimmer will include a reference to SCO v. IBM in a revision of his father's* Nimmer on Copyright, but only insofar as it deals with copyrights. The only thing that would be of interest is SCO's novel theory of derivative rights, but it's such a bizarre theory that I doubt it would rate more than a footnote.
Well, judging by a great many of the comments here on/., the "Linux does not exist" statement is being taken out of context or not being understood.
It's simple, really. SCO Australia is claiming that the code that makes up Linux is really Unix. Not a new claim from the SCO camp, though clearly they're unable to back up the claim in any meaningful way.
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Maybe I'm being nit-picky, but I'd write "To the extent that there is any evidence at all about the source of SCO's funding, in each case the ultimate source appears to be Microsoft"
as
Also, I think that tracing the involvement should be enough. No need to produce the canceled checks, which probably don't exist anyway.
Hopefully, IBM will pursue this and reveal any connections between MS and Canopy. Canopy owns the majority stake in SCO, is most likely behind the pump and dump scheme and other shenanigans (Altus?) What is there connection to MS?
Hey Curtman, we're missing your valuable input over on this topic. At least read the nice linked article over at Groklaw. Then maybe you could tell us your famous crow recipe.
I think Steve is still pissed at ATi.
You've brought up some very good points that are not the same as the tired old one button mouse argument.
I wonder, though, if Apple would be willing to build your configuration if you were going to order in volume? Has anyone ever been able to do this? I think even VA Tec got G5s with video cards for the supercomputer.
If Apple isn't already doing this, and I suspect they're not, it would be a very good idea to offer more flexibility for customers ordering more than, say, 100 computers at a time.
Of course, maybe this doesn't come up that often for Apple. =)
Probably a mixed environment is best, keeping in mind the "best tool for the job" principal (BSD is not going to make a good desktop OS in corporate America). No OS is going to be entirely secure*, so a mixed environment provides the best protection against virus and worm epidemics.
* until 2011
Then I liked it until I played with one in CompUSA. When I tilted the monitor down the screen went black! The connectors were shoddy, and tilting it back fixed it. Maybe it was a particularly bad display model, but I usually expect the premium price on Macs to buy higher quality.
Blame it on CompUSA, not Apple. If anyone at that CompUSA was even aware it was broken and had the initiative to report the problem, it would have been fixed or replaced. It's been awhile since I've been inside a CompUSA, but the last time, 4 out of 6 Mac display units were fubared. I'd be delighted to hear that the situation has improved.
Maybe something like these and this would help in your lab. Although a BT mouse is a bitch to use once it's been secured this way. =)
Nawwww, you're suffering from Worst. Implementation. By. Microsoft. Evah!
Obviously because he spelled "mail" as "mails". The mod only wanted to stop him before he used "maths" in place of "math".
=) ---clue for the humor impaired
love Bluetooth and if given a choice between two devices will typically choose the one with Bluetooth (unless it's a toaster oven or something). =)
802.11b/g is overkill for a toaster. BT is much more appropriate.
I believe it's common practice, if not an outright SEC rule, to have such conferences during non-trading hours. Your suspicions are misplaced.
Well the deal here is that IBM has SCO between a rock and a hard place. If SCO tries to show code at this point, IBM asks why haven't they shown the code earlier, after numerous court ordered discovery attempts? If they show code now, they will be demonstrating that they haven't complied with the court's orders.
IBM is also foreclosing on their defense of saying that the case isn't about copyright, and therefore IBM shouldn't be allowed to bring this "alien" motion. IBM is doing this by pointing out how SCO has done nothing but characterize their complaint as copyright infringement outside of the courtroom.
IBM has efffectively and devastatingly weakened the overall case while utterly destroying SCO's SCOsource program. And they've made it look easy.
Maybe we can compare the Apple G5 iMac to the Gateway Profile® 5XL-C AIO.
The specs on the Gateway are as follows:
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Application Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2004 - including Microsoft® Word and Encarta
Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 3.2GHz w/ Hyper-Threading Technology, 800MHz FSB and 1MB L2 Cache
Memory: 512MB 400MHz DDR SDRAM (2-256MB modules)
Hard Drive: 160GB Ultra ATA100 7200rpm hard drive w/ 8MB performance enhancing cache
Floppy Drive: Integrated 1.44MB 3.5" floppy diskette drive
Optical Drive: Integrated DVD±R/±RW/CD-RW recorder
Extended Service Plan Including Limited Warranty: Desktop Value Service Plan -- 1 year parts/labor/no on-site/1 year technical support
Expansion Slots: (1) Type II PC card slot
External Ports: (6) USB 2.0 ports (2 side, 4 rear), (1) Serial (back), (1) Parallel, (2) PS/2
Input/Output Jacks: Line-in, line-out and mic (back), headphone and mic (front), VGA-out (in back on NVIDIA® graphics configurations)[?], VGA-in
Dimensions: 16.93" x 18.66" x 7.41" (WxHxD), approximately 25.4lb.
Screen: 19" LCD flat panel display
Video: Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 with 64MB shared memory buffer
Keyboard and Mouse: Gateway Wireless Keyboard/Wireless Optical Mouse
Multimedia Package: Integrated sound and stereo speakers
Modem/Wireless: V.92 56k modem
Network Adapter: Integrated Intel® 10/100/1000 Ethernet (Gigabit) adapter
Price is $1999 USD, 100 more than the top of the line iMac. What are the differences?
Extremely crappy video on the Gateway. Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 with 64MB shared memory buffer WTF? The Apple card (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra w/64MB video memory) isn't the greatest, but at least it's a card, with it's very own memory. I couldn't find a way to upgrade the Gateway's video on their web page.
iMac offers digital optical out, Gateway doesn't.
Gateway offers wireless keyboard and mouse standard, on the iMac it's a $99 upgrade.
Gateway offers 256 more RAM.
The Gateway AIO offers 2 FW ports (like the Mac) but one of them is a 4 pin connector? (WTF? Why? That's like wearing a three fingered glove because your friend (Sony) lost a couple of fingers in an accident.)
Oh, and the Gateway 19" screen is not widescreen.
However the deal killer for me is that the Gateway offers a built in floppy drive. Apple does not. Joke!
Maybe this will scratch that itch:
Keyspan.com
If you have a bluetooth enabled phone (or bluetooth enabled Palm OS device) you can use Salling Clicker software to control your Mac from across the room.
For the perfect tuna fish sandwich.
I'm not absolutely sure, but these don't look like "clones" to me. They look like Apple iPods, as in "from Apple Computer". Betcha donut.
Dude, if you had enough money and you farted, some lawyer would come after you with a class action suit.
I'm not against class action law suits in principle, and we've seen them do some good, but we've also seen too much abuse.
What bothers me the most about such abuses is that they give ammunition to the "tort reformers" who would like to see only the corporations and the rich with access to lawyers.
Very interesting analysis. From what you're projecting, it's not too far a leap to a subscription based model, which is where MS has wanted to head all along. (Remember the hue and cry when they announced moves in this direction before?)
It's also somewhat similar to the way Apple rolls out OS X updates. (That has also caused consternation among a small vocal minority of OS X users that don't want to pay for upgrades but don't want to be "left behind".)
Red Hat, Sun, Covalent, and others are embracing subscription models.
So it wouldn't surprise me to see MS try and put a subscription model under the radar. And it might not be such a bad thing, now that MS is facing pricing pressure from OSS.
OK, good points. Sorry I got snotty.
;)
One thing to keep in mind is that there are some built in limits to how many programming jobs can be outsourced to other countries, insofar as there are not limitless amounts of programmers in the various developing countries.
And while it probably appeared snide, the suggestion to move was quite serious. I'm moving to Mexico (admittedly, not for a programming job), and while I'm going to be paid much less for the sort of work I do, the cost of living is quite low, while the quality of living is quite high (at least as I define it). There are a lot of opportunities in Mexico right now in many knowledge based fields; I'm sure this is similar in other developing countries. And at the risk of further burdening you bookshelf, if you're good, it shouldn't be too hard to pick up another language (Spanish
Well, put it like that, then which candidate is more likely to ear mark funds for retraining and to extend unemployment benefits?
Outsourcing cannot be stopped without doing a lot of damage to the economy. More damage than it would prevent. Face it, your cheese has been outsourced, so stop complaining about who moved it.
So what are you going to do about it? Your best bet is to either retrain or move to where the jobs are. The cost of living is much lower in India, China, Mexico, etc., so you might actually find a comfortable standard of living.
You somehow assume that work force is an amorphous fluid which can be pumped from one place into another without a loss. But that's not so.
You haven't been working long if your employers haven't pumped you in one place or another.
or
If you're not willing to retrain, maybe you should consider moving to India or China, where your skills will be up to date. If your bookshelf is overflowing, you might want to 1) Get rid off the books that are obsolete, 2) Buy or build another bookshelf, and 3) look into the O'Reilly Safari Bookshelf.
Further criticism of "Tuber":
The fact that his father was recieving Social Security indicates that he was retired anyway, so he probably had other motivations for "scaling back", i.e., kicking back.
I'm sure this broke Tuber's heart, as he saw his inheritance either stay the same or shrink, instead of grow as it had before his father's retirement.
Just so you know, that's not really how law school text books are laid out, with how-to's, winning strategies and such. Instead they're filled with case law as illustrative examples of legal principles.
Perhaps someday, David Nimmer will include a reference to SCO v. IBM in a revision of his father's* Nimmer on Copyright , but only insofar as it deals with copyrights. The only thing that would be of interest is SCO's novel theory of derivative rights, but it's such a bizarre theory that I doubt it would rate more than a footnote.
*The late Melville Bernard Nimmer.
Well, judging by a great many of the comments here on /., the "Linux does not exist" statement is being taken out of context or not being understood.
It's simple, really. SCO Australia is claiming that the code that makes up Linux is really Unix. Not a new claim from the SCO camp, though clearly they're unable to back up the claim in any meaningful way.