I don't think it was overly subtle. There were lots of clues, even if you didn't understand some of the "technical" aspects of the article (I didn't understand them all).
But the graph was a dead give away.
Maybe the joke was specifically targeted at the/. audience (I suspect it was), which is famous for not RTA before commenting. I think that was part of the joke, but I might be reading to much into it.
I'm a card carrying, koolaid drinking, Steve Jobs worshipping mac zealot, and I got the joke. The mac troll was just a nice touch, and added to the overall humor.
Dave Aitel, if you're reading this, thanks for making my Friday better.
Point taken. I was overly zealous. And I understand the comment about using my Karma Bonus now. My intentions were good, but my frustration got the better of me.
And your problem with that is what exactly? I'm saying what I felt needs to be said, and what I think people need to hear. I could care less about losing a few points because of redundancy or because some member of a cult feels threatened and wants to label me a troll.
She herself posted to the thread from which my post was deleted that public criticism was not welcome and that Groklaw was hers and she could do as she saw fit. She likened herself to Linus and Groklaw to Linux, saying that Linus has had to reject many contributions to protect Linux, and so she must delete certain posts to protect Groklaw. And that we were welcome to start up our own sites if we wanted. Fair enough, though the comparison to Linus was a bit much.
It was a while ago, so I might not be remembering everything, but that's the gist of it, as I remember it.
Interestingly, I read the last piece she wrote on Enderle tonight, and managed to catch sight of the first thread in the comments section. It was entitled "Trolls here please". So I posted before I went out for the evening, voicing my criticism of the deletion of posts, thinking that it would be safe to post in that thread. At least two others felt the same way. When I returned from my evening out, my post and the the two other posts I had noted had been deleted.
So, it was an interesting experiment, but nothing much has changed in the Groklaw comments section. It'll be a while before I read any comments again or post my own.
And oddly enough, it made me appreciate the slashdot moderation system. I get very irritated with retarded mods here, but really, the system works fairly well. It's not perfect, and perhaps there might be ways to improve it, but over the long run, it works.
It's not a bad thought, really. It's just that in this case there is a Dr. Evil, (or two) behind the scenes who will pay very little attention to any sort of dissent.
Do you mean you're waiting for them to perjure themselves in court or that you're waiting for them to be caught in a lie in the course of an actual trial?
Outside of that there are almost too many examples for someone to just pick one. How about them claiming that the Posix specification was their intellectual property (remember erno.c?)? That's off the top of my head. It's early in the morning and I'm too tired.
Seriously, if you look at all of SCOs utterances since this all began, you'll see a pile of deceit. How about Darl's statement that they only decided to sue IBM when IBM announced at Linux World that they'd begin using linux to directly compete with SCO's product. In actuality, the record shows that SCO had already hired David Boies. So, from the start, the very start, SCO has been deceitful.
I understand your caution, but if Darl or Blake told me that the sky was blue, I'd go check anyway.
I re-read TFA and this time for comprehension. This is a new combination of technologies and different from rotoscoping in Commotion. If anything, I'd describe it as a cross between rotoscoping and motion tracking. So, it's a bit more original than I first thought, but nothing to cream your jeans over.
And I mistook their childish examples for this being a product for kids. There is no product yet. Just a patent.
No, it's pretty obvious that this is something that an application like Commotion has been doing for years. So, three cheers if they can make the technique easy enough for kids to use, but there is nothing ground breaking going on here. And I thought Microsoft R&D was the cutting edge!
Wake me up when Longhorn gets here, so I can rag on that, too.
Nice idea in theory, but as you said, most of the stock is held by a few hands, most notably The Canopy Group. The name Ralph Yarro might ring a few bells.
A more likely motivation for McBride's praise of Slashdot is that it was an attempt to slime Groklaws system of deleting posts. Trying to suggest some suppression of legitimate viewpoints. In other words, more FUD.Here be post deleters.
Well, the only system PJ seems to employ is to delete anything critical of her or Groklaw. That doesn't take away from Groklaw's value as a purveyor of SCO news, but it does curtail it's value as a venue to discuss the issues.
And re: Mcbride and his loose screw. What you're seeing is what happens when you leave a screw loose for too long. Eventually the whole contraption shakes apart.
And/. is moderated. If you're reading at -1... astroturfing by SCO is the least of your concerns. For my purposes (I want to only read semi-interesting comments about SCO), Groklaw is unmoderated.
No. PJ deletes posts arbitrarily. I had a post deleted that was sligtly critical of some of her editorial histrionics (remember when she compared Linus to a baby seal?) I tried to be humorously chiding, not overtly negative, because I do find much value Groklaw. I just find the over-the-top editorializing to be. . . embarrassing.
It's unfortunate that what is otherwise a great source for SCO news has also become something of a cult, and that the cult leader embraces this role and seeks to consolidate it by making paranoid accusations.
There's something Stalinesque about the whole thing. "Let's all pull together for the good of OSS by rooting out the SCO moles in our midst" is kind of chilling.
Dude, PJ has stated that Groklaw isn't a public forum, and you keep posting? I had a post deleted once, was told that my critical views weren't welcome, and I let it go. I don't read the posts or post there anymore.
You've had 12 posts deleted and you're still at it? Can't you get it into your head that they don't want you in their little club? If you've got valid info, post it here or start your own site.
I still find groklaw to consistently be the best source of news on all things SCO. I just don't want to 1) post where I am not welcome, nor 2) join a cult.
If SCO decides to drop the catch-22 game and focus on recouping damages from the people who donated the code improperly[*], I for one would be happy to examine their side of the story. They talk and talk and talk about how they want to fix this stuff, and they never ever make the slightest baby step toward following through. Accusations, innuendo, and vague references to "millions of lines of code" do not constitute working with the free software community to fix problems.
*If that is the case.
Seeing as how they have had a year to prove their case by revealing just a tiny bit of real infringing code (not the erno crap), I don't believe a word coming from the SCO camp. It would take more than a management change to make me want to give them a listen. They'd have to put their cards on the table, something they should have done long ago. The only reason they haven't is that they're holding nothing. Not even a busted flush or an unfilled inside straight. They got nothing. What you are calling a catch 22 is really just a bluff that didn't and could never have worked.
But meanwhile, while we've all been distracted by the poker game, someone has been robbing the bank. And while that was going on, the big cattle baron has been trying to buy up all the water rights and scare other ranchers into only using proprietary software.
Groklaw is still a great source of news about SCO shennanigans, etc., so long as you take the sometimes hyperbolic editorializing with a grain of salt.
I stopped reading the comments after I had a mildly critical comment deleted. I realized that this was a group that wasn't willing to enngage in self-criticism, and as such, was not a group to which I wanted to belonng. And it's a pity, because amongst the self-congratuulatory crap, there are generally pretty good posts from lawyers, programmers, and others that are just good thinkers.
At the time my post was deleted, I was told by PJ that public criticism was unwelcome, that as Groklaw was not a public forum, but her own private thing, she could do as she saw fit. So, whatever. I took the option open to me, and stopped reading posts and psoting. I still read the news there, as they still have the best coverage, and the best analysis (when you ignore the strident editorializing).
I don't think anyone needs to call you a racist to call into doubt your intelligence. You pretty much manage to do it all by yourself.
If anything, someone was trying to do you a favor, by pointing out that racism and sexism are pretty similar. Mayeb ask your self why you're being so defensive?
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I don't think it was overly subtle. There were lots of clues, even if you didn't understand some of the "technical" aspects of the article (I didn't understand them all).
/. audience (I suspect it was), which is famous for not RTA before commenting. I think that was part of the joke, but I might be reading to much into it.
But the graph was a dead give away.
Maybe the joke was specifically targeted at the
I wonder if this will motivate /.ers to read the article before posting.
Mod parent up +5 Funny!
I'm a card carrying, koolaid drinking, Steve Jobs worshipping mac zealot, and I got the joke. The mac troll was just a nice touch, and added to the overall humor.
Dave Aitel, if you're reading this, thanks for making my Friday better.
Point taken. I was overly zealous. And I understand the comment about using my Karma Bonus now. My intentions were good, but my frustration got the better of me.
It's too late. They've already shopped it out to the GNAA.
Sorry, but unless lots of questions marks and profit!! are involved, I'm not going to do it.
someone will ask you, "What did you do in the Open Source Wars, Granpa?"
And your problem with that is what exactly? I'm saying what I felt needs to be said, and what I think people need to hear. I could care less about losing a few points because of redundancy or because some member of a cult feels threatened and wants to label me a troll.
If you disagree with me, say so, and say why.
She herself posted to the thread from which my post was deleted that public criticism was not welcome and that Groklaw was hers and she could do as she saw fit. She likened herself to Linus and Groklaw to Linux, saying that Linus has had to reject many contributions to protect Linux, and so she must delete certain posts to protect Groklaw. And that we were welcome to start up our own sites if we wanted. Fair enough, though the comparison to Linus was a bit much.
It was a while ago, so I might not be remembering everything, but that's the gist of it, as I remember it.
Interestingly, I read the last piece she wrote on Enderle tonight, and managed to catch sight of the first thread in the comments section. It was entitled "Trolls here please". So I posted before I went out for the evening, voicing my criticism of the deletion of posts, thinking that it would be safe to post in that thread. At least two others felt the same way. When I returned from my evening out, my post and the the two other posts I had noted had been deleted.
So, it was an interesting experiment, but nothing much has changed in the Groklaw comments section. It'll be a while before I read any comments again or post my own.
And oddly enough, it made me appreciate the slashdot moderation system. I get very irritated with retarded mods here, but really, the system works fairly well. It's not perfect, and perhaps there might be ways to improve it, but over the long run, it works.
It's not a bad thought, really. It's just that in this case there is a Dr. Evil, (or two) behind the scenes who will pay very little attention to any sort of dissent.
Do you mean you're waiting for them to perjure themselves in court or that you're waiting for them to be caught in a lie in the course of an actual trial?
Outside of that there are almost too many examples for someone to just pick one. How about them claiming that the Posix specification was their intellectual property (remember erno.c?)? That's off the top of my head. It's early in the morning and I'm too tired.
Seriously, if you look at all of SCOs utterances since this all began, you'll see a pile of deceit. How about Darl's statement that they only decided to sue IBM when IBM announced at Linux World that they'd begin using linux to directly compete with SCO's product. In actuality, the record shows that SCO had already hired David Boies. So, from the start, the very start, SCO has been deceitful.
I understand your caution, but if Darl or Blake told me that the sky was blue, I'd go check anyway.
No, you're still free to earn money from your product just as you see fit. Unless your "product" is a patent.
I re-read TFA and this time for comprehension. This is a new combination of technologies and different from rotoscoping in Commotion. If anything, I'd describe it as a cross between rotoscoping and motion tracking. So, it's a bit more original than I first thought, but nothing to cream your jeans over.
And I mistook their childish examples for this being a product for kids. There is no product yet. Just a patent.
No, it's pretty obvious that this is something that an application like Commotion has been doing for years. So, three cheers if they can make the technique easy enough for kids to use, but there is nothing ground breaking going on here. And I thought Microsoft R&D was the cutting edge!
Wake me up when Longhorn gets here, so I can rag on that, too.
You'd never know whether your xserve had speakers or not it's so freakin' loud.
(on the telephone) What? What? Could you repeat that? An Xserve just drove by!
But let's just continue calling the French horrible names, shall we? In the name of freedom, of course, because that's what this is all about, right?
Naw, it's because it's fun to watch when a frog gets all worked up. =) "Freedom" or whatever is just the pretext.
Nice idea in theory, but as you said, most of the stock is held by a few hands, most notably The Canopy Group. The name Ralph Yarro might ring a few bells.
Well, the only system PJ seems to employ is to delete anything critical of her or Groklaw. That doesn't take away from Groklaw's value as a purveyor of SCO news, but it does curtail it's value as a venue to discuss the issues.
And re: Mcbride and his loose screw. What you're seeing is what happens when you leave a screw loose for too long. Eventually the whole contraption shakes apart.
And /. is moderated. If you're reading at -1... astroturfing by SCO is the least of your concerns. For my purposes (I want to only read semi-interesting comments about SCO), Groklaw is unmoderated.
No. PJ deletes posts arbitrarily. I had a post deleted that was sligtly critical of some of her editorial histrionics (remember when she compared Linus to a baby seal?) I tried to be humorously chiding, not overtly negative, because I do find much value Groklaw. I just find the over-the-top editorializing to be. . . embarrassing.
It's unfortunate that what is otherwise a great source for SCO news has also become something of a cult, and that the cult leader embraces this role and seeks to consolidate it by making paranoid accusations.
There's something Stalinesque about the whole thing. "Let's all pull together for the good of OSS by rooting out the SCO moles in our midst" is kind of chilling.
She wrote the Love Virus right? After killing her husband?
Dude, PJ has stated that Groklaw isn't a public forum, and you keep posting? I had a post deleted once, was told that my critical views weren't welcome, and I let it go. I don't read the posts or post there anymore.
You've had 12 posts deleted and you're still at it? Can't you get it into your head that they don't want you in their little club? If you've got valid info, post it here or start your own site.
I still find groklaw to consistently be the best source of news on all things SCO. I just don't want to 1) post where I am not welcome, nor 2) join a cult.
*If that is the case.
Seeing as how they have had a year to prove their case by revealing just a tiny bit of real infringing code (not the erno crap), I don't believe a word coming from the SCO camp. It would take more than a management change to make me want to give them a listen. They'd have to put their cards on the table, something they should have done long ago. The only reason they haven't is that they're holding nothing. Not even a busted flush or an unfilled inside straight. They got nothing. What you are calling a catch 22 is really just a bluff that didn't and could never have worked.
But meanwhile, while we've all been distracted by the poker game, someone has been robbing the bank. And while that was going on, the big cattle baron has been trying to buy up all the water rights and scare other ranchers into only using proprietary software.
Groklaw is still a great source of news about SCO shennanigans, etc., so long as you take the sometimes hyperbolic editorializing with a grain of salt.
I stopped reading the comments after I had a mildly critical comment deleted. I realized that this was a group that wasn't willing to enngage in self-criticism, and as such, was not a group to which I wanted to belonng. And it's a pity, because amongst the self-congratuulatory crap, there are generally pretty good posts from lawyers, programmers, and others that are just good thinkers.
At the time my post was deleted, I was told by PJ that public criticism was unwelcome, that as Groklaw was not a public forum, but her own private thing, she could do as she saw fit. So, whatever. I took the option open to me, and stopped reading posts and psoting. I still read the news there, as they still have the best coverage, and the best analysis (when you ignore the strident editorializing).
Next time I see you with a shit eating grin on your face, I'll know what happened.
I don't think anyone needs to call you a racist to call into doubt your intelligence. You pretty much manage to do it all by yourself.
If anything, someone was trying to do you a favor, by pointing out that racism and sexism are pretty similar. Mayeb ask your self why you're being so defensive?