Lol I dont even have one, I'm hardly pimping it. Its just a familiar one to mention. I could mention instead the $250 19" Acer LCD that was on sale recently.
My point is, if you can buy those kinda things NOW for that price, surely you will be able to buy them for LESS that actually include HDCP by the time longhorn gets here. So it still wont be worth buying that box. And if the box drops at the same rate, it will still be more expensive than buying a new monitor.
I.e. why bother with this hardware box fix if you can replace the monitor for less? Its not really much of a solution.
Doesnt seem to matter. People are buying the latest OS in droves, mostly because its included with new PC. Same thing will happen when longhorn comes out.
People said the same thing when XP first came out "tons of ppl have win9x surely no one will upgrade to XP right?" Turns out most ppl did.
Downgrade to what? The most recent MS OS without activation would be 98SE (or heaven forbid, win ME). Majority of consumers would move on to longhorn anyway since it would be included with new computers.
Notice in my comment I posted about a guy who mentioned he got a piece of equipment from ebay to a cisco rep. The rep made him buy the liscense and pay an inspection fee. He was using the hardware fine, it was working fine, he didn't ask or need a service contract. Yet cisco made him shell out money for the software.
Sure the stuff hasn't been tested in court. But you think any companies would take it to court? Cisco would stop any support of thier products if they tried, and charge them massive money. The only people who might not bow down to cisco under pressure would be individual users, and I really really doubt they'd spend the money to fight it in court. So since no one can or is able to stand up in court against them, it will continue. Kinda like RIAA and thier 10,000 lawsuits. Not one of those cases have gone to trial. Most have settled for a couple grand.
As for cars, if carmakers had thier way, sure they'd love to do that. Example, carmakers have tried to make things proprietary before, like the car error codes, and the readers. They've tried to make it so only dealers could service the cars. Fortunately there were laws passed to make standards for the cars. OBD-II etc.
As for physical objects, someone posted a link where a company selling a physical object (some sorta woodworking tool) has a EULA for it when you buy it. And per the EULA you can't sell the object without getting written permission from the company.
Cisco will only sell licenses for current versions of software. This means that to use Cisco software in conjunction with the equipment to be transferred, a license for the current version must be purchased" Some info here: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/04/11/15gripe_ 1.html "He also said companies that buy used Cisco gear from authorized channels have an easier time getting software licensing and support because they are included with the sale of a Cisco Authorized Refurbished Equipment product.
"If I go out and buy a box off of eBay, not only am I ineligible for a Cisco warranty, I have to buy a software license and pay for a Cisco inspection to make sure the box is in working order," before support can be purchased, Karmin said." From: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3649/i s_200405/ai_n9439262 "Blanket prohibitions against licence transfer have been standard language in software licence agreements for many years. Only after the dotcom bust did it occur to hardware manufacturers that they could try to enforce them. IT managers report that Cisco Systems in particular has been aggressive in its demands for relicence fees." "I made the mistake of showing a visiting Cisco rep the 2611 router I'd purchased on eBay for $1200," says Mark Payton, director of IT at the Vermont Academy. "Not only are they asking me to pay to relicense the software, but they are expecting me to get a one-year SmartNet maintenance agreement and to pay an inspection fee."
Although Cisco is only asking Payton for slightly more than $300 each for the software relicensing and the SmartNet agreement, the inspection fee alone is more than $850. Payton is still negotiating with Cisco. "If my sales rep can't get some of those costs waived, the total cost to me for the 2611 router is over $2700. Brand new through CDW without my additional discounts, I could get this same unit today with one year of SmartNet for $2300." From: http://www.infoage.idg.com.au/index.php/id;9035707 40;fp;4;fpid;675408222
I'm sure there's more info on the net if you want to search around. Essentially Cisco says its a liscense you are getting (not the ownership of your copy of the software) so they can control it anyway they want.
All of that is likely incorrect.
Why? Because MS is talking about encrypting it before it goes over the system bus as well (so you can't "sniff" it with an oscilloscope or whatever). I'm reasonably sure that if PCI or PCI express is going to transfer information that is only encrypted, that the motherboard bios needs to be involved as well.
MS already has plans for audio. See this reply right under yours: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155942&cid= 13073774 Quote from the MS page it links: "Protected Audio Path (PAP) is a future initiative under investigation for how to provide encryption of audio over user accessible buses."
Yeah and that very recent supreme court decision that says government (state, local, federal) can take anyone's property and give it to any private person/company long as they say (no need to prove, just claim it) they will get $1 more in taxes from the property than you are paying now. That decision didn't do anything eh? BTW, that is directly opposed to the constitution. The constitution didn't help much there did it? Constitution says that they can only do that for PUBLIC USE. I personally dont count private property going from private person A to private person B to build a walmart or appartments as being "public use".
MS could shut off XP activation servers say 6 months or a year after longhorn is released. They could even say that they are not supporting old operating systems like XP anymore and so wont be maintaining the activation servers for it. Good way for them to force everyone to upgrade.
Yeah that didn't help much when I was telling all the people I knew who were going to choose an OS to avoid win ME cause it was worse than 95 and 98 and 98se, and to only go with 98SE.
ME still sold a ton.
You forgot:
IE 7 is no longer an exclusive feature to Longhorn (it was originally going to only be released for longhorn) but will be released on XP as well, so IE 7 is no longer a reason to get longhorn.
Yeah too bad Cisco doesn't agree. Going after ebay ppl who sell used cisco stuff, and saying if you dare sell it on ebay it better not have any software, cause thats non-transferable and BTW, you gotta buy a liscense for software that will cost oh, maybe 90% of the cost of buying the software AND the new haredware product together.
And that link you linked to. Try RTFA. Cause it says there are conflicting rulings by various courts. Like this quote from the link: In a more recent case involving software EULA's and first-sale rights [Davidson & Associates v. Internet Gateway Inc (2004)][3], the US District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri issued a ruling which appears to contradict the position of the Californian and Texan courts. The first sale reasoning of the California District Court in Softman v. Adobe was challenged, with the court ruling '"The first sale doctrine is only triggered by an actual sale. Accordingly, a copyright owner does not forfeit his right of distribution by entering into a licensing agreement.' In addition, the Court found the plaintiffs EULA, which prohibited resale, was binding on the defendants because 'The defendants.. expressly consented to the terms of the EULA and TOU by clicking "I Agree" and "Agree."'
Google for the California county that was about to pass a law to outlaw some uses of DiHydrogen Monoxide (water). They got suckered in by a forwarded email that went on about how dangerout that chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide is. Visit dhmo.org if you want a laugh and to see what you can say about DHMO to make it sound very deadly.
"What is known about these cancers is that Dihydrogen Monoxide is found in detectable and biologically significant levels in virtually all tumors and other cancerous and pre-cancerous growths. " "Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are: Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. DHMO is a major component of acid rain. Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect."
yeah that will work. Quote from your link: "Too bad the box'll set you back 399 (about $480 US)"
Sure, and I can already get a dell 20" widescreen LCD monitor that can show 1680x1050 res on sale with coupon for about that same price. So why am I buying that little box gadget you linked to again?
No problem, no trouble. Most of that was stuff I wrote earlier this year for other ppl asking about the same kinda things. Like where to legally get free ebooks. Since I'm into the palm thing I got into the thread about it and was posting places to legally get free ebooks, and the palm I liked, etc.
I'll quote from some posts of mine in another forum.
no other palm units than the m500 fit my needs.
At first I purchased the new Zire 21 which is monochrome screen for $99 because I thought that would work. I was SHOCKED when I got it home and found out it was the first palm since the original Palm I that does NOT HAVE A BACKLIGHT!!! I cannot live without a backlight that I can turn on to read in dim lighting conditions. So I returned that and made an exhaustive review of all palm models past and present to find one(s) that would fit my needs.
I previously had owned a palm VII which was great, but it is even older and has very limited memory, only 2 megs and no expansion card slot (although it still had the internal battery, backlight, monochrome screen). So I wanted one that was a step up from that.
After extensive research, the m500 emerged as the only possible model to fit my needs.
It depends on your needs. For me I wanted: a) monochrome screen, not color; to extend battery life. b) built in battery so I could drop it into cradle to charge and not have to worry about replacing batteries all the time c) a backlight so I could see the screen in dim lighting conditions. Like if I'm waiting in a movie theatre for movie to start and I got there 45 mins early to get a good seat d) preferably an expansion card slot so I could add some extra memory for books if I wanted
If this list of features is what you want, there's actually only ONE model of palm pilot that supplies them all. The m500. Its discontinued but can still be easily had on ebay (which is where I got mine, for about $50). And I got one in mint condition and all the original parts and accessories and manuals, and the built in battery works great. It has 8 megs of built in memory (enough for a dozen books or more), and I have a 64 meg SD card I have in it that I got for free after rebate from office max.
The m5xx series of palms were until recently the king of the hill. Its only been since they started the zire and tungsten series that the m5xx series was discontinued. Anyway, you can still find plenty of them on ebay, and I found a mint condition one for $50 which was 10 times better than that cheap piece of crap zire 21 that I paid $99 for in officemax.
Now perhaps your needs are differant, perhaps you dont mind shoving in AAA batteries every few days, or perhaps you want a color screen with built in wireless internet so you can browse the web and you want to pay $500 for your palm. Thats fine, then one of the other models will suit you. But in my case I had very specific needs and I choose a specific model.
Out of the entire line of palms sold today, only the Zire 21 is monochrome screen, and as I said, that lacks a backlight (in addition to having no expansion slot).
When I read paper books I can go through about 100 pages an hour, and I read in every spare moment. I typically have a dozen or so books on my palm. I usually only have to recharge my palm about once a week or maybe twice even with my mutiple hours a day of typical reading habits, and that includes using my palm as my alarm clock. I can set a number of differant fonts in differant sizes, there's plenty of options in palm fonts to d/l on the net.
Uhm no. OS/2 doesn't run any windows stuff. And windows doesn't run any OS/2 stuff. Maybe during the early early alpha or beta days when MS and IBM were still pretending they were working together on windows and OS/2 in a friendly way and sharing stuff.
But any retail versions were not compatible with each other.
Oh and BTW, how can you tell the new episode is better than the original if you cant even see it yet? I admit the savage nation one was pretty good though.
"You can watch the entire episode online." Not correct. Here's quotes from the official page about it Part one: " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is in the final stages of post production. for details, please visit EXETERSTUDIO.COM." Part two: " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is scheduled for release on Friday, July 22, 2005." Part three: " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is scheduled for release on Friday, August 5, 2005." Credits: " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is scheduled for release on Friday, August 19, 2005."
Thanks for getting my hopes up and not bothering to check if you could actually watch it before submitting it.
I use a natural keyboard and type fairly fast (100wpm or so). Only use the old classic original natural one though. The newer ones (like the elite) suck nuts. MS likes to play with the standard key config and screw it up.
However I can type about the same speed on other keyboards too. I just prefer the natural
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Lol I dont even have one, I'm hardly pimping it. Its just a familiar one to mention. I could mention instead the $250 19" Acer LCD that was on sale recently.
My point is, if you can buy those kinda things NOW for that price, surely you will be able to buy them for LESS that actually include HDCP by the time longhorn gets here. So it still wont be worth buying that box. And if the box drops at the same rate, it will still be more expensive than buying a new monitor.
I.e. why bother with this hardware box fix if you can replace the monitor for less? Its not really much of a solution.
Doesnt seem to matter. People are buying the latest OS in droves, mostly because its included with new PC. Same thing will happen when longhorn comes out. People said the same thing when XP first came out "tons of ppl have win9x surely no one will upgrade to XP right?" Turns out most ppl did.
Downgrade to what? The most recent MS OS without activation would be 98SE (or heaven forbid, win ME). Majority of consumers would move on to longhorn anyway since it would be included with new computers.
Notice in my comment I posted about a guy who mentioned he got a piece of equipment from ebay to a cisco rep. The rep made him buy the liscense and pay an inspection fee. He was using the hardware fine, it was working fine, he didn't ask or need a service contract. Yet cisco made him shell out money for the software.
Sure the stuff hasn't been tested in court. But you think any companies would take it to court? Cisco would stop any support of thier products if they tried, and charge them massive money. The only people who might not bow down to cisco under pressure would be individual users, and I really really doubt they'd spend the money to fight it in court.
So since no one can or is able to stand up in court against them, it will continue. Kinda like RIAA and thier 10,000 lawsuits. Not one of those cases have gone to trial. Most have settled for a couple grand.
As for cars, if carmakers had thier way, sure they'd love to do that.
Example, carmakers have tried to make things proprietary before, like the car error codes, and the readers. They've tried to make it so only dealers could service the cars. Fortunately there were laws passed to make standards for the cars. OBD-II etc.
As for physical objects, someone posted a link where a company selling a physical object (some sorta woodworking tool) has a EULA for it when you buy it. And per the EULA you can't sell the object without getting written permission from the company.
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As for Cisco, yeah. Check thier page:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/csc/refurb_equip
"My company would like to re-sell or re-lease a used Cisco product that runs software that is no longer sold by Cisco. Can I purchase a license in this case?
Cisco will only sell licenses for current versions of software. This means that to use Cisco software in conjunction with the equipment to be transferred, a license for the current version must be purchased"
Some info here:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/04/11/15gripe
"He also said companies that buy used Cisco gear from authorized channels have an easier time getting software licensing and support because they are included with the sale of a Cisco Authorized Refurbished Equipment product.
"If I go out and buy a box off of eBay, not only am I ineligible for a Cisco warranty, I have to buy a software license and pay for a Cisco inspection to make sure the box is in working order," before support can be purchased, Karmin said."
From: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3649/
"Blanket prohibitions against licence transfer have been standard language in software licence agreements for many years. Only after the dotcom bust did it occur to hardware manufacturers that they could try to enforce them. IT managers report that Cisco Systems in particular has been aggressive in its demands for relicence fees."
"I made the mistake of showing a visiting Cisco rep the 2611 router I'd purchased on eBay for $1200," says Mark Payton, director of IT at the Vermont Academy. "Not only are they asking me to pay to relicense the software, but they are expecting me to get a one-year SmartNet maintenance agreement and to pay an inspection fee."
Although Cisco is only asking Payton for slightly more than $300 each for the software relicensing and the SmartNet agreement, the inspection fee alone is more than $850. Payton is still negotiating with Cisco. "If my sales rep can't get some of those costs waived, the total cost to me for the 2611 router is over $2700. Brand new through CDW without my additional discounts, I could get this same unit today with one year of SmartNet for $2300."
From: http://www.infoage.idg.com.au/index.php/id;903570
I'm sure there's more info on the net if you want to search around.
Essentially Cisco says its a liscense you are getting (not the ownership of your copy of the software) so they can control it anyway they want.
Good thought, but I doubt they will do option 1.
Activation is not present in what you call 'fleet' copies for the corporations on XP. So they know how to selectivly remove stuff like that.
Sure. If you DRMed them.
Yeah, it only costs more than the 20" widescreen dell LCD that was on sale with coupon for around $450 or so.
All of that is likely incorrect. Why? Because MS is talking about encrypting it before it goes over the system bus as well (so you can't "sniff" it with an oscilloscope or whatever). I'm reasonably sure that if PCI or PCI express is going to transfer information that is only encrypted, that the motherboard bios needs to be involved as well.
MS already has plans for audio. See this reply right under yours:= 13073774
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155942&cid
Quote from the MS page it links:
"Protected Audio Path (PAP) is a future initiative under investigation for how to provide encryption of audio over user accessible buses."
Yeah and that very recent supreme court decision that says government (state, local, federal) can take anyone's property and give it to any private person/company long as they say (no need to prove, just claim it) they will get $1 more in taxes from the property than you are paying now. That decision didn't do anything eh?
BTW, that is directly opposed to the constitution. The constitution didn't help much there did it? Constitution says that they can only do that for PUBLIC USE. I personally dont count private property going from private person A to private person B to build a walmart or appartments as being "public use".
Already seems to exist, see the earlier post with the engadget link. Too bad it has a slight cost to it, $500.
Dude thats a GREAT point.
MS could shut off XP activation servers say 6 months or a year after longhorn is released. They could even say that they are not supporting old operating systems like XP anymore and so wont be maintaining the activation servers for it.
Good way for them to force everyone to upgrade.
Yeah that didn't help much when I was telling all the people I knew who were going to choose an OS to avoid win ME cause it was worse than 95 and 98 and 98se, and to only go with 98SE. ME still sold a ton.
You forgot: IE 7 is no longer an exclusive feature to Longhorn (it was originally going to only be released for longhorn) but will be released on XP as well, so IE 7 is no longer a reason to get longhorn.
Yeah too bad Cisco doesn't agree.
.. expressly consented to the terms of the EULA and TOU by clicking "I Agree" and "Agree."'
Going after ebay ppl who sell used cisco stuff, and saying if you dare sell it on ebay it better not have any software, cause thats non-transferable and BTW, you gotta buy a liscense for software that will cost oh, maybe 90% of the cost of buying the software AND the new haredware product together.
And that link you linked to. Try RTFA. Cause it says there are conflicting rulings by various courts. Like this quote from the link:
In a more recent case involving software EULA's and first-sale rights [Davidson & Associates v. Internet Gateway Inc (2004)][3], the US District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri issued a ruling which appears to contradict the position of the Californian and Texan courts. The first sale reasoning of the California District Court in Softman v. Adobe was challenged, with the court ruling '"The first sale doctrine is only triggered by an actual sale. Accordingly, a copyright owner does not forfeit his right of distribution by entering into a licensing agreement.' In addition, the Court found the plaintiffs EULA, which prohibited resale, was binding on the defendants because 'The defendants
Google for the California county that was about to pass a law to outlaw some uses of DiHydrogen Monoxide
(water). They got suckered in by a forwarded email that went on about how dangerout that chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide is.
Visit dhmo.org if you want a laugh and to see what you can say about DHMO to make it sound very deadly.
"What is known about these cancers is that Dihydrogen Monoxide is found in detectable and biologically significant levels in virtually all tumors and other cancerous and pre-cancerous growths. "
"Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect."
etc etc
So yeah, it was almost made illigal.
yeah that will work.
Quote from your link:
"Too bad the box'll set you back 399 (about $480 US)"
Sure, and I can already get a dell 20" widescreen LCD monitor that can show 1680x1050 res on sale with coupon for about that same price. So why am I buying that little box gadget you linked to again?
No problem, no trouble. Most of that was stuff I wrote earlier this year for other ppl asking about the same kinda things. Like where to legally get free ebooks. Since I'm into the palm thing I got into the thread about it and was posting places to legally get free ebooks, and the palm I liked, etc.
I'll quote from some posts of mine in another forum.
no other palm units than the m500 fit my needs.
At first I purchased the new Zire 21 which is monochrome screen for $99 because I thought that would work. I was SHOCKED when I got it home and found out it was the first palm since the original Palm I that does NOT HAVE A BACKLIGHT!!! I cannot live without a backlight that I can turn on to read in dim lighting conditions. So I returned that and made an exhaustive review of all palm models past and present to find one(s) that would fit my needs.
I previously had owned a palm VII which was great, but it is even older and has very limited memory, only 2 megs and no expansion card slot (although it still had the internal battery, backlight, monochrome screen). So I wanted one that was a step up from that.
After extensive research, the m500 emerged as the only possible model to fit my needs.
It depends on your needs. For me I wanted:
a) monochrome screen, not color; to extend battery life.
b) built in battery so I could drop it into cradle to charge and not have to worry about replacing batteries all the time
c) a backlight so I could see the screen in dim lighting conditions. Like if I'm waiting in a movie theatre for movie to start and I got there 45 mins early to get a good seat
d) preferably an expansion card slot so I could add some extra memory for books if I wanted
If this list of features is what you want, there's actually only ONE model of palm pilot that supplies them all. The m500. Its discontinued but can still be easily had on ebay (which is where I got mine, for about $50). And I got one in mint condition and all the original parts and accessories and manuals, and the built in battery works great.
It has 8 megs of built in memory (enough for a dozen books or more), and I have a 64 meg SD card I have in it that I got for free after rebate from office max.
The m5xx series of palms were until recently the king of the hill. Its only been since they started the zire and tungsten series that the m5xx series was discontinued. Anyway, you can still find plenty of them on ebay, and I found a mint condition one for $50 which was 10 times better than that cheap piece of crap zire 21 that I paid $99 for in officemax.
Now perhaps your needs are differant, perhaps you dont mind shoving in AAA batteries every few days, or perhaps you want a color screen with built in wireless internet so you can browse the web and you want to pay $500 for your palm. Thats fine, then one of the other models will suit you. But in my case I had very specific needs and I choose a specific model.
Out of the entire line of palms sold today, only the Zire 21 is monochrome screen, and as I said, that lacks a backlight (in addition to having no expansion slot).
When I read paper books I can go through about 100 pages an hour, and I read in every spare moment. I typically have a dozen or so books on my palm. I usually only have to recharge my palm about once a week or maybe twice even with my mutiple hours a day of typical reading habits, and that includes using my palm as my alarm clock. I can set a number of differant fonts in differant sizes, there's plenty of options in palm fonts to d/l on the net.
Plus, tons of ATM's are running OS/2. I tihnk its still at least 50% of the market for ATM machines. And there are tons and tons of them out there.
Uhm no. OS/2 doesn't run any windows stuff. And windows doesn't run any OS/2 stuff. Maybe during the early early alpha or beta days when MS and IBM were still pretending they were working together on windows and OS/2 in a friendly way and sharing stuff. But any retail versions were not compatible with each other.
Oh and BTW, how can you tell the new episode is better than the original if you cant even see it yet? I admit the savage nation one was pretty good though.
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Here's a direct link to the trailer for the new episode, which is ALL THATS AVAILIBLE ONLINE CURRENTLY.
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/Website/fr
"You can watch the entire episode online."
Not correct.
Here's quotes from the official page about it
Part one:
" This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
in the final stages of post production.
for details, please visit EXETERSTUDIO.COM."
Part two:
" This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
scheduled for release on Friday, July 22, 2005."
Part three:
" This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
scheduled for release on Friday, August 5, 2005."
Credits:
" This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
scheduled for release on Friday, August 19, 2005."
Thanks for getting my hopes up and not bothering to check if you could actually watch it before submitting it.
I use a natural keyboard and type fairly fast (100wpm or so). Only use the old classic original natural one though. The newer ones (like the elite) suck nuts. MS likes to play with the standard key config and screw it up.
However I can type about the same speed on other keyboards too. I just prefer the natural