My preferred point of reference is Thoreau - he fits the Open Source philosophy like a glove, and could never be considered a communist, even by the most degenerate corporate parasite.
See Life without principle for what I believe to be his best example of truly free thinking.
$20k in India is a good salary. A man could live like a king over there on that sort of money - well, maybe not a king, but it'd be a comfortable life.
As to other reasons - food, climate, not having a primeminister like Blair...
How come nobody ever frames this in terms of going to China or India? To teach IT? Or English? Or Math?
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Because there are enough Indians that already know IT, English, and Math to a higher level than most US IT professionals, and those US IT personnel that are actually better than their Indian counterparts will most likely still be working anyway.
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It's not like India is a third-world country - it has its problems (too many people, a history of suspicion of foreign enterprise, a developing economy, etc.) - it's a good and vibrant country, with great hopes and aspirations.
When the English and Portuguese savages turned up (round about the same time we came to screw your continent), India was already a civilised country, with astronomical observatories, advanced philosophy, medicine, metallurgy, architecture...
Rant over - but your air of superiority irked me somewhat.
No wonder your economy's fucked - I've got over 10 years experience in programming, systems integration and DBA work, and I'm lucky to see that in the UK.
I'd happily take $20k per year to live and work in India - anyone know a good Indian employer?
I'll remember that the next time I hear any 'free market' shit coming from your WTO representatives.
That's the trouble with free markets - you can't pick and choose.
If you don't like losing jobs to cheaper suppliers, you can't complain when people refuse to buy your subsidised contaminated beef, or your GM foods, or your obscenely subsidised farm produce.
Hmm - I must be angry, too, except I am a natural protectionist, and would act to keep the jobs that are worth keeping, while excluding imports that threaten jobs at home.
This is why the callcentre staff all have pretend European names, and are given classes in the vernacular of whichever locale they deal with (at least in the best call centres).
So long as Joe six-pack gets a fix, is he really going to give a monkeys?
I can't see a technically well educated Indian being any worse than your average first line support guy anyway, and from my experience of Indian colleagues, they tend to be more tolerant of user-obnoxiousness, and better able to handle dickheads.
Personally, I think it's a positive move - rather than shaving costs to the bone trying to supply minimum-wage phone support locally (which is difficult foir the company and unrewarding for the employee), it's better to pay a good market wage in a low wage, English-literate economy, and add value with operator training.
Our first new toll road opens next year, but the government plans to use private capital to fund more and more roads in the future, while still taxing our vehicles and fuel the same.
NOW all the truth is out,
Be secret and take defeat
From any brazen throat,
For how can you compete,
Being honour bred, with one
Who, were it proved he lies,
Were neither shamed in his own
Nor in his neighbours' eyes?
Bred to a harder thing
Than Triumph, turn away
And like a laughing string
Whereon mad fingers play
Amid a place of stone,
Be secret and exult,
Because of all things known
That is most difficult.
It's not nearly as funny as Raymond's open letter, but there's a place for all forms of discourse, and an in-your-face attack such as Raymond produced will hopefully infuriate McBride to the extent that he comes out with more and more ridiculous assertions, allowing us to hold him up to public ridicule before he has to avoid bending down to pick up the soap.
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See Life without principle for what I believe to be his best example of truly free thinking.
They never got the OO filesystem to work, though, so NTFS lives on.
As to other reasons - food, climate, not having a primeminister like Blair...
I realised I was white trash!
Pass the 6-pack, Joe
Damn - and I always thought Gallo was nice wine?
I'd rather be in India doing that job than the UK, since for the same working conditions I could earn (relatively) about 3-4 times as much.
Call centre staff in India are currently on more than teachers - they have a decent standard of living compared to most.
I'd defy a US caller to tell the difference between a US based Indian and an Indian based call centre staffer.
More western superiority - if you knew more people, perhaps you'd have a wider view.
;-P
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Because there are enough Indians that already know IT, English, and Math to a higher level than most US IT professionals, and those US IT personnel that are actually better than their Indian counterparts will most likely still be working anyway.
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It's not like India is a third-world country - it has its problems (too many people, a history of suspicion of foreign enterprise, a developing economy, etc.) - it's a good and vibrant country, with great hopes and aspirations.
When the English and Portuguese savages turned up (round about the same time we came to screw your continent), India was already a civilised country, with astronomical observatories, advanced philosophy, medicine, metallurgy, architecture...
Rant over - but your air of superiority irked me somewhat.
No wonder your economy's fucked - I've got over 10 years experience in programming, systems integration and DBA work, and I'm lucky to see that in the UK.
I'd happily take $20k per year to live and work in India - anyone know a good Indian employer?
You've found the one American politician that isn't a hypocrite.
Can't help him with my vote (I'm in the UK), but I support him in all he says and does.
I'll remember that the next time I hear any 'free market' shit coming from your WTO representatives.
That's the trouble with free markets - you can't pick and choose.
If you don't like losing jobs to cheaper suppliers, you can't complain when people refuse to buy your subsidised contaminated beef, or your GM foods, or your obscenely subsidised farm produce.
Hmm - I must be angry, too, except I am a natural protectionist, and would act to keep the jobs that are worth keeping, while excluding imports that threaten jobs at home.
This is why the callcentre staff all have pretend European names, and are given classes in the vernacular of whichever locale they deal with (at least in the best call centres).
So long as Joe six-pack gets a fix, is he really going to give a monkeys?
I can't see a technically well educated Indian being any worse than your average first line support guy anyway, and from my experience of Indian colleagues, they tend to be more tolerant of user-obnoxiousness, and better able to handle dickheads.
Personally, I think it's a positive move - rather than shaving costs to the bone trying to supply minimum-wage phone support locally (which is difficult foir the company and unrewarding for the employee), it's better to pay a good market wage in a low wage, English-literate economy, and add value with operator training.
Just my two pennworth.
Savings in control circuitry?
Centralisation of diesel backup units?
Installation costs?
Maintenance costs?
I could no doubt think of more, but that's just what I thought up while typing the reply...
Our first new toll road opens next year, but the government plans to use private capital to fund more and more roads in the future, while still taxing our vehicles and fuel the same.
Still, that's socialism for you!
Sorry - missed the sarcasm there, as I'm in the UK where such nightmares are becoming reality.
Bastard.
You just forced me to conjure up a picture of a naked Stallman firghtening the suits.
I'm going to have to erase it with at least a quart of bourbon...
To A Friend Whose Work Has Come To Nothing
NOW all the truth is out,
Be secret and take defeat
From any brazen throat,
For how can you compete,
Being honour bred, with one
Who, were it proved he lies,
Were neither shamed in his own
Nor in his neighbours' eyes?
Bred to a harder thing
Than Triumph, turn away
And like a laughing string
Whereon mad fingers play
Amid a place of stone,
Be secret and exult,
Because of all things known
That is most difficult.
Nah - just made me paranoid.
Always works for me - and if managers don't like it, then a good stand-up row in the middle of the office usually shuts them up...
It's not nearly as funny as Raymond's open letter, but there's a place for all forms of discourse, and an in-your-face attack such as Raymond produced will hopefully infuriate McBride to the extent that he comes out with more and more ridiculous assertions, allowing us to hold him up to public ridicule before he has to avoid bending down to pick up the soap.
I wish you all the best with your campaign.
It's nice to see you've thought about it, though.
Thanks, Henry.
It was meant as a joke, you Mormon retard. ;-).