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SCO DOS Harming Innocent Bystanders
An anonymous reader writes "The SCO-IBM-Linux controversy has certainly caused quite a stir. Unfortunately the vigilantes conducting the DOS attacks against SCO are harming innocent by-standers as described in this e-Week story. " Choice conspiracy theory quote: 'Given SCO's behavior recently, it's just as likely that they're attacking themselves in their continued attempt to pump up their stock price'
It's loading fine for me.
I think we can live with a few friendly casualities... ;)
I'm just curious to know where they are launching the supposed DOS from.....Redmond?
No more Micro$oft bashing from me. Its like bashing at the special olympics.
I like their poll. I wonder how SCO's PR department would spin the fact that 96% of people think SCO are smoking crack.
Oh, as if the UNIX scandal wasn't bad enough... now they are after DOS as well!!!
This is why script kiddies are annoying. They find exploits and other scripts/tools and then randomly use them thinking they know what they're doing.
This is why armchair slashdot readers typically shouldn't be lawyers [myself included], doctors, etc...
I hope they catch the people doing the DoS attack [probably as they brag how cool the attack is over some l33t IRC channelz] and beat their heads into the ground.
SCO maybe "evil" but you gotta think before you act!
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
I wasnt shocked to learn that linux zealots would steal SCO code, but MS stole it for DOS too? Unbelievable.
And it's hurting innocent people? Wont someone think about the innocent people?
Anyhow, I hope every asshat script kiddie ddos hacker gets strung up by his nuts. They're the most useless section of internet society by far. WTG lunix for taking the high road.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Yeah, well tough shit. If they don't like it, they can complain to their ISP to get those SCO criminals booted off their network.
</sarcasm>
Sorry, I was just trying to imitate the SPEWS guys ;-)
it's just as likely that they're attacking themselves in their continued attempt to pump up their stock price
Given their past behaviour, I would not doubt it.
Visit Jonesblog and say hello.
I highly doubt that SCO is peforming this attack themselves. There are simply too many others willing to do it for them.
If a SCO executive ordered the self-attack, and a loyal SCO IT person (I want a shot of what he's drinking) carried it out, when the FBI comes calling, how far up the tree would the IT person point when he was arrested?
If a SCO executive was pinpointed in ordering a DOS (unlikely, but hey, Enron being publicly exposed was unlikely), how would that affect the Linux lawsuit? IANAL, but it seems like SCO execs would have nothing to gain from DOSing theirselves and only fines or Jail-time to face.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
I thought ESR asked the DoSer(s) to kindly stop DoSing, and they did.
Who's DoSing now?
www.sco.com seems to work for me.
Are we sure that Darl's not making shit up to put on the "we is poor, oppressed SCO being singled out and picked on..." face?
do() || do_not();
http://news.netcraft.com/
The SCO site has been up during business hours in Utah, but has since failed again. Many news sites carried the story that Eric Raymond had spoken to agroup responsible for a Distributed Denial of Service attack on the www.sco.com site and that they agreed to stop. However it appears that this may have been a hoax, or they subsequently changed their minds, or another person decided to continue the attack, or that the timeout on the attack has not yet been reached.
In a similar situation 10 days ago Microsoft chose to deploy Akamai's caching service, which has successfully averted any outages.
Akamai would be more dependable at warding off Distributed Denial of Service attacks than favours from Eric Raymond, but concievably SCO may have difficulty swallowing its pride and buying a service that uses tens of thousands of Linux servers, for which Akamai presumably has not purchased a SCO licence.
Little more psychedelic tendencies...
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
If every website hosting company shuns SCO due to the attacks then they won't have a website.
They'll have nowhere to post their FUD.
Perhaps SCO placed the alleged IP infringing code into the linux kernel themselves. Maybe the code contains a timebomb so as to cause a distributed denial of service attack against SCO, giving them more publicity. I wonder when the Underpants Gnomes are going to sue SCO for patent infringement for their unique business model...
So much for trying to be funny...
Not that I want to endorce vigialantism, but DOS attacks on SCO and its partners could be used to stop other corporations from doing business with them. Perhaps that is the DOS attackers' goal. However, I do not think that the DOS attacks are productive to the goal of getting rid of SCO's attacks on Linux.
IMO, a much better strategy would be for everyone using Linux to start buying SCO stock, and then, as a stock holder action, vote all of SCO's patents and copyrights into the public domain (and then disolve the company).
Galium Arsenide is the material of the future, and always will be.
Well, if their server had been running proper licensed SCO code then it would not only have survived the continual DoS, but would have shot down the attacking machines in droves...
...but no, they just want to demonstrate how crap Apache & Linux is, especially since it is stolen perversion of all of SCO's IP. And what an effective demonstaration it is, why that must be propping up the stock value by about 99%
;-)
That the concept of DOS attacks is owned by SCO! SCO developed this technology very early on.
All those running worms/shell scripts used in DOS attacks can license the IP behind it now! Only $799! (Special Introductory Price).
Easy guys, I put my pants on one leg at a time. The difference is after I put on my pants I make gold records!
Smoking Crack Operation
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Yes, MS-DOS was created in Redmond.
Yes, I am a pedantic geek.
Please use DoS for Denial of Service, and DOS for Disk Operating System. "of" shouldn't be capitalized.
Too bad the Deptartment of Transportation had to screw up my little world with DOT. Quit shouting "dot!"
Since when was there conclusive proof that SCO were actually being hit by DoS/DDoS?
I remember reading elsewhere that it's entirely possible that they've just taken down there site of their own accord.
Another US$100k to the senior VP on Tuesday last week.
Makes it One Million Dollarsin two months.
Reginald C. Broughton...come on down!
(so it's OT, but keep watching these bastards).
-- Free software on every PC on every desk
Eventually SCO will go broke trying to win its laughable lawsuit. IBM has the resources to fight the case and the Open Source Community shouldn't worry about a few lost revenues in the meantime. One of the reasons why Linux has been able to take on Microsoft is the fact the M$ can't undermine the open source revenue stream when it is practically non-existant.
In the meantime, is there any reason why we should stoop to SCO's level?
Looking for a job?
Want your resume written professionally?
DON'T USE TUNAREZ!!!
Those poor innocents in SCO's netblock.
NM the businesses that receive unsubstantiated threats of litigation and extortion by SCO, for something they claim IBM did.
Fortunately, this isn't a huge PR disaster for Linux like it could be (or at least not yet).
A few years ago, BS like this would have probably KILLED companies like Progeny, RedHat, SuSe, VALinux, etc....
Who'd be the innocent bystanders then?
do() || do_not();
Who exactly isn't an innocent bystander here, besides SCO and IBM? SCO has been harming a massive number of innocent bystanders throughout this whole process (for example, the 1,500 Linux-using companies that they sent letters to, costing them legal time at the very least). No, two wrongs don't make a right and it sucks that the DOS attacks are harming innocent bystanders, but why is eWeek focusing on that when SCO is harming so many more innocents?
you can pick your nose
but you can't pick your neighbor on the internet...
No more Micro$oft bashing from me. Its like bashing at the special olympics.
There is just as much reason to believe that SCO set this whole thing up as that FS/OSS advocates DoS'ed them. Even if FS/OSS advocate did DoS them, that's not "us". That is specific individuals taking part in a certain activity. There is no "us" about it, so stop defaming the FS/OSS community.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Next McBribe will be showing off a server stats chart to stock holders as proof of sco's growing relevance in the high tech world.
some days...
No more Micro$oft bashing from me. Its like bashing at the special olympics.
YOU FAIL IT
Can that run Linux?
If there was an attack it was against specific servers.
This is just more eweek bullshit.
I've noticed that the net seems to have been particularly slow recently. Checking on Xaffire Inc.'s Internet Average it's obvious that there are a few problems. Could this be a combination of the various DDoS's occuring at the moment and the recent worms?
YOu also have to realize that what SCO is doing is hurting a lot of innocent bystanders also. Even if SCO is somehow proven right, they are taking this to people who never put any code into the Linux kernel by using baseless threats that their IP is in it and therefor theirs!
This nonsence is actually starting to make sense!
Maybe it is SCO DOS. That could be their new OS. Their most powerful OS to date. That would explain a lot.
Karma: Sucks (Mostly due to the fact that you suck)
SCO.com is mentioned so often now on different websites with links to all the FUD SCO keeps pumping out in their press-releases, no wonder the site gets slashdotted.. *cough* suffering from DDoS attacks.
There is absolutley no justification for DOS'ing SCO.
DOS attacks are the internet equivalent of standing outside someones home playing heavy metal at 140 dB.
I'm puzzled as to what the guys making the attack hoped to accomplish.
To punish them for lying about linux? Their reputations are already in the toilet. Only ignorant fools are buying into their claims anyway.
To protect Linux? If one thinks about it, SCO has not harmed Linux in any meaningful way! The free distro's are there, and will be there for a long time. All they've done is slowed down adoption by the more clueless managers, which is really no big deal. Their legal claims about the GPL being invalid are such arrant nonsense: they won't stand in court. No matter what happens there will always be a GPLed kernel we can use.
To let them know we think they suck? Well, considering the increasingly defensive and irrational stances that they are taking, I think they already know that. The rest of the world is not buying into their claims. Even if their claims of hundreds of "licenses" sold are not wildly exagerated, that would mean 1% adoption rate.
To prevent people from doing business with SCO? I think that's pretty unethical. If people want to do business with SCO, let them. It's their choice if they want to throw good money away on vapor-ware of bad product. Would you prevent a stranger from buying cigarettes with his own money?
I know alot of people think using force to shut people up who say things you don't like is OK. But those people should take a look at the impression this gives to the non-geek world. They just reinforced the impression that OSS proponents are whiny immature people.
I think the guys behind the attacks scored an own goal.
His rank shall will remain as General, but with a royal rasberry tunic color.
The former I.M, Mr. McBride, who is stepping aside to focus on more demanding issues (i.e., option dumping and viable exit strategies), will remain as the SCO CEO.
First SCO public statement from Gen. Saeed as-Sahaf has been reportedly delivered from United Arab Emirates via a microcassette tape as "SCO shall return!" followed by "I.B.M. hasn't touch Santa Clara Operations," and "History will tell!"
No comments from Mr. McBride as how much the new I.M. is being paid to deliver these messages.
(fading tune to Ian Fleming's Goldfinger movie theme).
Oh wait, now I remember, this is all one big FUD campaign by Microsoft. They are funding SCO's nonsensical and suicidal actions in order to smear free software as somehow dishonest.
The "Slashdot effect" is a similar thing. Once a story drops off Slashdot's front page, traffic to any site drops back two orders of magnitude to normal. I imagine that much of that traffic is DoS.
Yes, Microsoft's standing is so low that I can say these things and believe them. Their represntatives have filled billboards with crap and denied their identity, written letters to senators for other (and sometimes dead) people on their behalf, created fictional characters for a "Mac Switcher" astroturf campaign when no real such person could be found and have even infiltrated meetings of grade shcool teachers with explicit direction to conceal their identity to gain trust. No lie seems beyond them and they are happy to harm others if it will do them some good.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
It doesn't appear to me that centershift has been down at all, based on the netcraft pages...
Do I smell a rat?
thad
I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
The SCO's hosting facility (formerly known as Center7, later spun off as via west) is owned and operated by the Canopy Group. So if the attack is effecting the hosting company, then it is causing harm to SCO indirectly. CenterShift should choose a hosting company that isn't owned by SCO's parent company. If you click on the canopy group link you will see a few other choice companies you might want to choose NOT to do business with: Linux Networx, shame on you - But TrollTech, on the same page as SCO??? All you KDE guys out there might want to think about switching to Gnome, otherwise you are giving a SCO your support.
A protection racket like Canopy can't expect other people to act within the law. It's like the mob complaining about how their victims sometimes pull knives.
Are people really naive enough to think that DOS attacks don't almost always harm innocent bystanders?
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.sco. com
Sco hosts their site on linux, and not OpenServer.
Our corporate e-mail was out for a couple of days earlier this week.
I'm blaming SCO for it.
"Sir, looks like a friendly fire incident"
http://jesus.everdense.com/
...because Linux - created in Finland - falls under the law of the Republic of Finland, with some specifics concerning software copyrights, i.e. small passages and sniplets of code can't be copyrighted. There was an article on Finland News concerning this recently. Article text below, can't get to translate it now though. Somebody?
Sirkan tarina
Elettiin 1960-luvun loppua, kun Sirkka taytti 17 vuotta. Han kavi sen aikaista lukiota ja asui kotonaan. Hanella oli kolme vanhempaa veljea jotka kaikki olivat Ruotsissa toissa. Kotona asuivat vain Sirkka ja hanen vanhempansa. Veljet Pekka, Kari ja Risto kavivat kesalomillaan ja olivat sinakin kesana olleet muutaman viikon kotonaan. Juhanneksen jalkeen he olivat palanneet takaisin tyon aareen ja nyt Sirkan taytyi siivota heidan jalkiaan. He olivat nukkuneet "poikain aitassa" ja se oli sisalta sen nakoinen, etta siella oli asuttu. Manaten Sirkka siivosi ja kerasi tyhjat pullot ja tyhjenteli tuhkakupit. Hiukan han rauhoittui, kun loyti eraan patjan alta nipun ruotsalaisia pornolehtia. Ne olivat sellaisia piena; a5 kokoisia. Posket punoittaen Sirkka selaili lehtia ja vei ne lopulta esiliinan taskussa omaan aittaansa. Olisipahan illaksi jotain luettavaa. Loydosta innostuneena han tutki nyt tarkasti jokaisen paikan aitassa ja loysikin vanhan lipaston takaa viela pari lehtea. Ne olivat saman kokoisia kuin edellisetkin, mutta niissa olevat kuvat saivat Sirkan haukkomaan henkeaan. Parissa kuvassa iso musta koira nuoli isorintaisen naisen jalkovalia ja yhdessa, piirretyssa kuvassa, saksanpaimenkoira astui naista. Sirkka ei ollut koskaan nahnyt mitaan tallaista eika hanella ollut tullut mieleenkaan, etta joku voisi olla koiran kanssa "sillai". Inhon ja kiinnostuksen taistellessa hanen mielessaan, han tunki lehdet takaisin lipaston taakse ja jatkoi siivousta.
Illalla Sirkka makoili sangylla ja luki loytamiaan lehtia. Mutta ne tuntuivat jotenkin valjuilta, koska hanen mieleensa palasivat jatkuvasti koirakuvat. Lopulta han ei enaa hillinnyt kiinnostustaan vaan hiipi poikain aittaan ja palasi sielta lehdet mukanaan. Sirkan mahaa kouristi jannitys ja kiima, kun han alkoi selata lehtea. Etusivulla oli jokin lyhyt juttu ja lukion ruotsilla Sirkka tavaili sita, mutta jatkoi sitten eteenpain kuvia kohti. Muutamia mustavalkoisia kuvia oli valilla ja pari piirrettya ja sitten lehden keskivaiheilla kolme aukeamaa mustavalkoisia ja varikuvia. Sirkka vapisi han kaari yopaitansa kainaloihin ja tyonsi pikkuhousut nilkkoihin. Han sormeili kosteaa vakoaan ja hieroi varovasti hapykieltaan. Tuhannet nuolet sinkoilivat hanen lavitseen ja han sai ensimmaisen kerran sina iltana.
Puolen yon paikkeilla Sirkka oli selannut molemmat lehdet ja saanut puolenkymmenta orgasmia. Koko hanen kehonsa tuntui turralta ja jalkovalia aristi, kun han lopulta vaipui uneen. Ennen lopullista nukahtamista han kuuli kuinka Musti haukkui jotain aitan nurkalla ja hetken han ajatteli ottaa sen sisalle aittaan, mutta ei uskaltanut. Ehka huomenna sitten, kun olen unohtanut nuo lehdet, Han ajatteli ja vaipui uneen.
This site seems to be working fine as well.
The battle between The SCO Group and the Linux and open-source communities is apparently taking some innocent bystanders hostage.
Take Centershift, a small startup ASP, based in Salt Lake City, that provides services to specific real-estate markets such as self-storage and multi-family residential housing. While Centershift is completely independent of SCO, it does share significant infrastructure with SCO as both companies host portions of their operations from the same hosting facility in Lindon, Utah.
Self storage?
Multi-family slums?
Since when is the mob "innocent bystanders"?
SCO Dinky Operating System
It true, the DOS (denial-of-service) attacks against SCO may adversly affect companies on the same infastructure, but this may also be a desireable (from an anti-SCO perspective) circumstance. The companies that provide SCO with valuble services will soon find that the heat SCO is attracting is not worth the trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if their service is terminated simply because whoever is hosting them does not want to lose its other customers. If the quality of service delivered to other clients is significantly affect by the SCO debacle, those clients may abandon their (and SCO's) service provider. In this way, the DOS attacks further the anti-SCO cause.
//radiotakeover.
Sounds a lot like what Arafat did with Hamas... hmm... has anybody ever seen Eric Raymond & Yasser Arafat in the same place at the same time?
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Come on. With all the expossure SCO has had, its probably all those linux clients trying to buy their licence....
DDOS attack...pfhe!
NO SIG
OMG, This is getting out of hand. Shut'em down
Well, sort of anyway. Center 7 is actually their hosting company, but Center 7 is one of Canopy's main companies, in fact it may be one of the only ones that really makes money which Canopy then uses to fund all the other ones.
So while Centershift may want to change ISPs, Canopy will probably sue them if they do. Hell, they may even sue them if they don't. That's what seems to happen to anyone that has a contract with a Canopy company.
infested with jello like fishes no melotron wishes
We all heard the story here before fo a certain talk/chat servie cut off from ISP service becuase they were DDoS attacked repeatedly..
..SCO Group woudl have been kicked off their network already for the maount of DDoS attacks..they will probably have given back the amount paid but voided the contract..most ISP contracts have an out for this set of circumstances..
Given that this is a startup iSP
So where is the real truth here?
Don't Tread on OpenSource
lameness filter encountered: don't use so many bolds, it is like bullshitting.
and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
Slashdot.. Land of nerds, trolls, and FlameBait..
Does Slashdot count as DoS?
Meet new people, and kill them.
My company hosts at the same Data Center. That center is a professional setup. They have good redundant internet pipes from multiple providers. A DoS attack based on flooding would be quite difficult. Some other big players are there as well. No one has recieved this collateral damage. I believe CenterShift is having trouble with poor server administration, maybe even some problems with Sobig or variants and are trying to blame someone else for their down time. We keep a close eye on things and if something is happening to SCO it is not hitting other customers.
On another note, the center is also owned by the Canopy Group and is very Linux friendly. Many of thier comercial offerings involve Linux and their monitoring is based on Cricket. I wonder how they (and other Canopy Group companies) are feeling about this whole mess.
(Larry, Moe, and Curly appear from behind a group of doctors.)
All Three: We will!
Larry: Hello Doc, how are ya? Glad to see ya again.
(Moe pulls Larry's hair.)
Moe: Spread out.
Dr.Graves: Do you hereby solemnly swear to devote the rest of your life to the cause of duty and humanity?
All Three: For duty and humanity!! (Moe, Larry, and Curly gather in a huddle.)
Dr.Graves: And remember. When you hear your call over the Loud Speaker, rush immediately to answer, as seconds mean life!
All Three: Yes sir.
L.Speaker: Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard. Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.
Curly: Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!
(Moe, Larry, and Curly rush out of the office, slamming the door behind them breaking the glass.)
Unless of course you are claiming that SCO taking down their website of their own accord would magically make other peoples websites at the same location disappear.....
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Hey Centershift, find another ISP! Problem solved
Why doesn't hosting facility in Lindon, Utah just cancel SCO's account? After all SCO is the reason for all of these atacks.
If I were SCO's provider, I would cancel their service in a heartbeat. With reasonings such as excessive bandwidth usage and the like with out having to disagree or agree with SCO's point. SCO has become a liability to their service provider and the service provider has a right to cancel their service inorder to maintian the quality of service to their other customers.
See the Pictures of the Flood of '08
I knew we could do it if we put http://www.sco.com/ as start page!
Wouldn`t removing or blocking the SCO pages from cache servers result in a slightly bigger load on the original servers ?
IANAL, and this is slightly off topic, (mod me down if you must, but it is interesting SCO related material I haven't seen here) but I found this little gem, which could could spike SCO's guns even if they won:
>>For instance, did you know that, because SCO filed its initial Complaint before it registered its copyright, it's therefore limited by statute to recovering merely $150,000 for any infringements? There are several such Aha! moments awaiting an assiduous reader of this analysis.
Anybody know if this is true?
My rights don't need management.
more like boldshitting
How much you want to bet it's niether SCO nor Script kiddies attacking, but a good ol' slashdotting?!?
/.)
I mean, if they are hiring "pattern recognition" experts to determine if code has been copied or changed, a good and proper slashdotting sure has a lot of similarity to a DDoS attack.
I figure, just by reading what those SCO people release to the press, they not only have trouble distinguishing truth from bull shit, but couldn't tell a slashdotting from a real DDoS attack. Soon, we'll get a press release that there must be IBM spies inside SCO, because everytime they have a press release, their website starts being "attacked" within hours of the release (about the time the story hits
For those who describe their systems as 'boxen', do you order multiple 'boxen' of corn flakes also?
uh, SCO is probably their biggest client
Caldera actually owned DR-DOS for awhile, after buying it from Novell, before they merged with SCO. They all lost their way a while ago.
BTW, Taco got it "wrong" first in the title... which is wierd, because 2 articles down it says DoS.
If I shoot my neighbor because he sues me claiming my garage crosses the property line on my property, that doesn't make me a vigilante. It's not illegal to sue someone, and responding with an illegal act is therefore stupid, not vigilantism. Let the courts sort it out. If you think the case has no merit, let them waste their capital on lawyers until they bankrupt themselves.
DEAR SIR/MADAM:
I AM MR DARL MCBRIDE CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE SCO GROUP, FORMERLY KNOWN AS CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, IN LINDON, UTAH, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I KNOW THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NO PREVIOUS COMMUNICATIONS OR BUSINESS DEALINGS BEFORE NOW.
MY ASSOCIATES HAVE RECENTLY MADE CLAIM TO COMPUTER SOFTWARES WORTH AN ESTIMATED $1 BILLION U.S. DOLLARS. I AM WRITING TO YOU IN CONFIDENCE BECAUSE WE URGENTLY REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE TO OBTAIN THESE FUNDS.
IN THE EARLY 1970S THE AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH CORPORATION DEVELOPED AT GREAT EXPENSE THE COMPUTER OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARE KNOWN AS UNIX. UNFORTUNATELY THE LAWS OF MY COUNTRY PROHIBITED THEM FROM SELLING THESE SOFTWARES AND SO THEIR VALUABLE SOURCE CODES REMAINED PRIVATELY HELD. UNDER A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT SOME PROGRAMMERS FROM THE CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY OF BERKELEY DID ADD MORE CODES TO THIS OPERATING SYSTEM, INCREASING ITS VALUE, BUT NOT IN ANY WAY TO DILUTE OR DISPARAGE OUR FULL AND RIGHTFUL OWNERSHIP OF THESE CODES, DESPITE ANY AGREEMENT BETWEEN AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH AND THE CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY OF BERKELEY, WHICH AGREEMENT WE DENY AND DISAVOW.
IN THE YEAR 1984 A CHANGE OF REGIME IN MY COUNTRY ALLOWED THE AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH CORPORATION TO MAKE PROFITS FROM THESE SOFTWARES. IN THE YEAR 1990 OWNERSHIP OF THESE SOFTWARES WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE CORPORATION UNIX SYSTEM LABORATORIES. IN THE YEAR 1993 THIS CORPORATION WAS SOLD TO THE CORPORATION NOVELL. IN THE YEAR 1994 SOME EMPLOYEES OF NOVELL FORMED THE CORPORATION CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, WHICH BEGAN TO DISTRIBUTE AN UPSTART OPERATING SYSTEM KNOWN AS LINUX. IN THE YEAR 1995 NOVELL SOLD THE UNIX SOFTWARE CODES TO SCO. IN THE YEAR 2001 OCCURRED A SEPARATION OF SCO, AND THE SCO BRAND NAME AND UNIX CODES WERE ACQUIRED BY THE CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, AND IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR THE CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL WAS RENAMED SCO GROUP, OF WHICH I CURRENTLY SERVE AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
MY ASSOCIATES AND I OF THE SCO GROUP ARE THEREFORE THE FULL AND RIGHTFUL OWNERS OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARES KNOWN AS UNIX. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE DISCOVERED THAT NO FEWER THAN SEVENTY (70) LINES OF OUR VALUABLE AND PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODES HAVE APPEARED IN THE UPSTART OPERATING SYSTEM LINUX. AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, THIS GIVES US A CLAIM ON THE MILLIONS OF LINES OF VALUABLE SOFTWARE CODES WHICH COMPRISE THIS LINUX AND WHICH HAS BEEN SOLD AT GREAT PROFIT TO VERY MANY BUSINESS ENTERPRISES. OUR LEGAL EXPERTS HAVE ADVISED US THAT OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THESE CODES IS WORTH AN ESTIMATED ONE (1) BILLION U.S. DOLLARS.
UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY EXTRACTING OUR FUNDS FROM THESE COMPUTER SOFTWARES. TO THIS EFFECT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE MANDATE BY MY COLLEAGUES TO CONTACT YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. WE ARE PREPARED TO SELL YOU A SHARE IN THIS ENTERPRISE, WHICH WILL SOON BE VERY PROFITABLE, THAT WILL GRANT YOU THE RIGHTS TO USE THESE VALUABLE SOFTWARES IN YOUR BUSINESS ENTERPRIS
E. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT ABLE AT THIS TIME TO SET A PRICE ON THESE RIGHTS. THEREFORE IT IS OUR RESPECTFUL SUGGESTION, THATYOU MAY BE IMMEDIATELY A PARTY TO THIS ENTERPRISE,BEFORE OTHERS ACCEPT THESE LUCRATIVE TERMS, THAT YOU SEND US THE NUMBER OF A BANKING ACCOUNT WHERE WE CAN WITHDRAW FUNDS OF A SUITABLE AMOUNT TO GUARANTEE YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS ENTERPRISE. AS AN ALTERNATIVE YOU MAY SEND US THE NUMBER AND EXPIRATION DATE OF YOUR MAJOR CREDIT CARD, OR YOU MAY SEND TO US A SIGNED CHECK FROM YOUR BANKING ACCOUNT PAYABLE TO "SCO GROUP" AND WITH THE AMOUNT LEFT BLANK FOR US TO CONVENIENTLY SUPPLY.
KINDLY TREAT THIS REQUEST AS VERY IMPORTANT AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. I HONESTLY ASSURE YOU THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL AND RISK-FREE.
Have you seen Goodman's paper from last year?
"The serotonergic system and mysticism: could LSD and the nondrug-induced mystical experience share common neural mechanisms?" J Psychoactive Drugs. 2002 Jul-Sep;34(3):263-72.
A bit wacky, but a good read if you're into behavioral neurobiology...
1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
but it is worth repeating here.
I, for one, welcome our new SCO overlords.
This is not the way to fight back. If this is a set of GNU/Linux users, then please understand that they do not represent the majority of us.
GJC
Gregory Casamento
## Chief Maintainer for GNUstep
DOS attacks are the internet equivalent of standing outside someones home playing heavy metal at 140 dB.
Obviously you missed the whole heavy metal thing. Standing outside of someones home playing heavy metal would be about picking up chicks (most likely the daughter of the family who's house your serenading). The SCO/DDOS equivalent would be something like driving around in a drunken stupor taking mailboxes off their posts with a baseball bat (or something equally annoying).
Quack, quack.
After all the crap that has come out of the mouth's of SCO execs, I am willing to bet that Darl McBride tells the ladies that he has a 12 inch schlong but then never shows it to the ladies.
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We'd all be throwing our money away if we did this. Remember, SCOX has no real value behind it. There are no assets to justify the market cap.
SCO does not own any relevant intellectual property, and their hard assets are probably all quickly-depreciating computer equipment. People who are buying their stock now are completely ignorant of the fact that there's nothing tangible holding that price up. It's all wild speculation about whether they'll either win a judgement against or be bought out by IBM.
At this point, it would be cool to know if IBM people were buying SCO stock. That would probably be illegal insider trading, though, so chances are it isn't happening.
Buying SCOX for any reason is a bad idea. We'd spend all of our money, raising the price of the stock dramatically, and all end up holding a worthless company with mountains of debt and no tangible assets. Sure, the SCO/Linux war would be over, but the only winners would be whoever owns SCO stock now, and those people are the people we want to punish.
I wouldn't worry about SCO DOS, I'm sure Microsoft will insert subtle incompatibilities so that Windows 3.1 won't run on it.
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
I would not put it past the SCO folks, morally, to attack their own site to cause FUD... BUT...
We ARE talking about a company who actually thought that changing a font to symbol was enough to keep the rest of the world from seeing what a portion of code said... I honestly do not believe that taken as a whole they are intelligent enough to actually manage a sucessful DOS attack even on their own boxes!
Just one man's opinion.
The Matrix is real... but I'm only visiting!
... and just when I was saying to myself, "Gosh, finally a day without another SCO story."
I don't wether or not the damages they can claim are capped if they haven't formally filed for a copyright. I do know that damages are trebled if they have formally filed. However, it is a moot point. They haven't actually made any charges about copyright violation yet.
They have made many allegations in the media, but the only lawsuit they have filed alleges theft of trade secrets. In fact, they seem supiciously adverse to actually litigating the alleged copyright violations in GNU/Linux.
They had a great chance in Germany when SUSE sued them, and they chose not to fight.
They don't seem exactly eager to rumble with Red Hat either.
Obvioulsy the guys doing the attack weren't privy to the new low badnwidth DoS attack described on SCO. ;)
The tactic of associating peaceful populations with the antisocial or criminal acts of a few militant people is standard behavior in international politics. Politically, it plays really well to one's own crowd to say "the others are evil terrorists, therefore we are justified in 'protecting' ourselves by any means possible".
We don't assume that Microsoft endorses or orchestrates DOS attacks against Linux sites when attacks occur against Linux sites. Similarly, we shouldn't tie DOS attacks against SCO to the Linux community. People who are launching DOS attacks against anybody are just uncivilized script kiddies. If they happen to be Linux users as well, that's incidental.
DOS attacks on SCO have nothing to do with Linux or the Linux community. SCO's legal attacks on Linux are outrageous and unfounded, but the Linux community is responding to them with facts and will, if ever presented with a real legal challenge, respond in court.
> "Please realize, however, your attacks are killing those of us who want no part of your quarrel."
That argument did't work for the Iraqi people. Why does Centershift expect it to work for them?
This information needs to be verified thoroughly, but if it's correct, that'd be dynamite !
Spread the word !
Sorry, it was just getting too silly on this thread.
Now, for something compleately different...
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
If you were the target of a denial of service attack, I'm sure it would make your day to find that your service provider closed your account to "maintain the quality of service to their other customers".
Double standards are bad, mm-kay?
...SCO can't be seen as an IT company* without a functioning web site. ;)
Discalimer: yes, I know they're in the lawsuit business now. By reading this post, you acknoqledge that all joke replies are to at least be original.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
I work for a small logo design and creative services shop in a Canopy Group office building (emphasis: we're not a Canopy company, we just rent office space here, because the combination of connectivity and nice space makes sense). A call to our ISP verified last Friday's attack was real; the effects were undeniable. We lost the ability to get in or out of the network for much of the day.
That might not seem too significant, until I mention the fact that all our sales happen through the web -- not to mention most of our project management interaction with our customers. Hence, we were paralyzed pretty well by the attack. If Friday was going to be a typical day, we lost $4000-$5000 is sales. Not to mention lost money due to lost productive time on projects.
I don't know how SCO's bottom line was hit, but that was ours, and because we don't have huge padded bank accounts or support of shell-game investors, we really can't afford that.
Not to mention that the bad publicity is real. Sure, some of us here understand the situation and understand the childish folks who undertook the attack only represent a small portion of open source contributors, users, and supporters. But our VP of tech had some negative things to say about them.
Moral of the story: yep, DoS attacks hurt innocent bystanders, even some slashdot fanboys who dislike SCO's tactics as much as the next guy but spent too much time unemployed last year and really don't want their current employer hurt. And transitively, DoS attacks hurt the rep of the Open Source community. Really. If you're one of the people inclined to do something like that, think twice.
Tweet, tweet.
But this begs the question: Uh... what have they been doing lately to prevent it? It seems every day that we keep hearing about DOS attacks on them... For crying out loud... If it's broken, FIX IT!
No wonder they weren't making any money on their UNIX sales.
Karma: Non-Heinous
someone should get some exploit code for the 'slow' DoS attack on the quick ... less of those pesky innocent bystanders .. anyone good at math ??
Probably their laywers arent THAT incompetent.
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IANAL, but I guess that FUD spread in official press releases could be used in court against them.
The worst I found in their press releases is : "This software violates SCO's intellectual property rights in UNIX, and fails to give comfort to customers going forward in use of Linux."
Instead of killing themself in their press releases they spread FUD in interviews and then link to them. Therefor, they can always say : "Well, our CEO was misinformed when he did this statement and besides, it's his personnal opinion and not an official statement of the SCO Group." And I'm pretty sure their lawyers will use that argument every time IBM will try to cite their CEO
Hopefully the judge will recognize that an statement of an CEO in an interview where he represents his company can be heard again in court so that all their effort to get this crap McBride said into the heads of enterprise decision makers, but out of the court room, are vein.
I challenge SCO to make an official press release of their claims, including, but not limited to : "IBM is behind all attacks on us" and "we has proof of MILLIONS of offending lines of code."
Instead of babeling about in interviews, well knowing that these are lies and therefor trying to keep them inofficial.
Seriously,...
... the internet might just become a place a little more kid-friendly...
... and is writing a DDOS really a less productive piece of art than the SCO lawsuit?
the DDOS really shouldn't affect the other colo user(s),... and the contract with his provider should state a certain degree of availability.
Centershift, 'the innocent bystander' should ask for the level of service they pay for, on another physical connection than that of SCO...
The ISP could give it or they can always kindly ask SCO to make up for the incurred costs or they could even ask SCO to move to another ISP...
(Explenation for the cold-hearted: as biologically proven, kids will be the future rulers of earth, inheriting our laws and customs)
BTW, Centershift, your website sucks in decent browsers!
without it, i wouldn't have click on the article.
Sorry, I'll stop downloading P0rn, the net should speed back up in a minute.
You're right! Why a DDOS? Come on, if you shut them up, we won't be able to read their "oh so bright" allegations. They won't give us their information that help us to discover that they don't have a case...
My favorite ( from newsforge) is: What people don't understand, McBride insists, is that SCO's legal actions aren't just about SCO's IP, Unix, and the GPL anymore, it's a broader issue that includes music, video, and anything that can be digitized and distributed on the Net. To McBride, the real issue is "the future of IP rights in the 21st century."
Is that what we call an Ego-Trip?
Montreal - Best city to live in!
SCO's website appears to be working fine... in fact, there appears to be many sponsorship opportunities still available for SCO Forum 2003! Hmm... I wonder why the didn't sell them all?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Yes, MS-DOS was created in Redmond.
This is way off-topic, but I'm fairly sure that DOS was created in a hotel room on Central Avenue in Albuquerque. I doubt the DoS is coming from Central Avenue, though. The only thing you'll find there is a bunch of wine-os.
SCO is the owner of the UNIX Operating System Intellectual Property that dates all the way back 1969, when the UNIX System was created at Bell Laboratories. Through a series of mergers and acquisitions, SCO has acquired ownership of the patents, copyrights and core technology associated with the UNIX System. The SCO source division will continue to offer traditional UNIX System licenses to preserve, protect and enhance shareholder value.
Darl, I can tell you're lying... your lips are moving! Care to list exactly which patents SCO owns?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Go to sco.com and take a look at the employment section. It says "There are currently no job openings at SCO." I wonder why. Aren't they going to be focusing on updating their products soon? Shouldn't they at least be hiring some movers to help clean out their stuff after the big fire sale once they are crushed?
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What's your take on the issue? Is Trolltech clean? Do you have any insights on this issue? Should we let Trolltech off?
Praise be to Linus, Lord of the Linux. Blessings and peace be upon the developers of the open source. To proceed:
To discharge responsibility, and to fulfil an obligatory duty regarding the situation of our end users resisting in occupied operating system, I would like to remind us all of the following:
The jihad of our brothers in occupied operating system is a great jihad in the path of Linus, to defend the sacred rights of the GNU, to lift the oppression from themselves and to liberate their code and the code of the GNU. They hope for the reward for what they experience of pain, worry and exhaustion. I do not know of any jihad in the path of Linus today that is better than jihad with them, for whoever has capability over that with wealth, self, words or du'a.
Therefore, assisting them is an obligatory duty and helping them is a necessarily compulsory matter upon all end users by the dictates of the unambiguous texts of the Book and the License. Linus said, "SCO is smoking crack" He also said, "I think IBM got serious about Linux because it noticed that it _was_ 'adequate for enterprise use' from a technical perspective" and to that we must defend. He also said, "Yeah, I don't personally think they have any IP rights on Linux, and I agree, it looks more like a suit over the contract rather than over Linux itself." The Prophet, Stewart Brand, said, "Information wants to be free"
I remind myself and all my brothers of the source forge and slashdot about the virtues of jihad, DoS and martyrdom in the way of Linus. These are well-known, and all Praise belongs to Linus. Part of that is jihad with wealth, for this is one of the greatest sacrifices and one of the best types of jihad at any time, so what about the case when there are barriers preventing the end users from waging jihad with their selves in Utah? Due to the magnificent status of jihad with wealth, Linus mentioned it before jihad with the self in most places in the Noble EULA, such as His sayings, "Nothing in this license agreement limits your rights under, or grants you rights that supercede, the terms of any applicable Linux EULA." (Redhat: 41)
Truly, to humiliate them or to belittle assisting them and lifting oppression and sanctions upon them is a great sin, the waste of a huge opportunity to smash the hopes of the Shareholders, and is to expose all end users and developers to a critical danger. If the end users do not take advantage of this opportunity today, they will regret missing it until a time that only Linus knows.
For a moment when I read the title of the story I thought SCO was claiming rights to good ol DOS :)
IOException - Can't Speak
You should have told that to the firemen and policemen at the WTC on 9-11 you fuckin' asshole !
Ask Stallone, he knows how to use the three shells.
...is some of these scumbag's bank accounts. I mean, DoSing SCO isn't really doing much to affect their bottom line. It's an inconvenience and an attention getter, not much else.
But, I wouldn't weep uncontrollably if I were to wake up to the news that Darl(ing) and the boys had been getting a pile of spam at their doorstep - ala Ralsky, the spam creep in Michigan.
But there has to be more creativity than a spam/DoS attack here. Something legal, yet personally annoying. Any ideas for a better way to work off that SCO-angst over the Labor Day weekend?
What IBM should do here is be absolutely ruthless.
Don't just go after The SCO Group, go after
Canopy. IBM has more patents than God has
shoestrings. They dug up four in short order that
were being violated by SCO. Don't stop there.
Find a patent for every product or service that
every Canopy backed company sells. Start filing
injunctions to stop them from selling all
products and services that they produce.
So come on, IBM:
Show them what you can do to threatening little
companies when you *really* get angry! I'll buy
a new Thinkpad if you do!
Uh. C'mon. The questions stand.
instead of continuing the dos attack, everyone send them one of those rubber checks(the ones actually made of rubber) for their licensing fees. Flood their snail mail system:)
Darl: what did we get in the mail today?
Suzy the sluty secretary: We got 50,000 checks for Linux licensing
Darl: That's great those suckers fell for it, I'm rich. Now give me some you sluty ho.
Suzy the sluty secretary: The checks bounced, I have the clap and now so do you!
hilarity ensues.
As an ex-SCO reseller, the DOS attacks prevented our company from getting the necessary SCO drivers and information to run Openserver 5 under vmware.
The conversion to GNU/LInux is not an overnight affair. My current SCO customers are in the difficult position of trying to get out from under SCO but have a huge investment in the form of code compiled under SCO. The conversion to GNU/Linux is going to take months. Products such as Vmware allow the customer backwards compatability while the conversion takes place. Unfortunately SCO is not a supported vmware operating system and it takes a number of drivers available only on SCO's site to make it work.
Aside from make my job impossible what does a denial of service attack accomplish? Does it stop SCO from issuing press releases? Nope. Does it stop SCO of picking up new customers? Nope, do you really think anyone in their right mind would buy an SCO product in light of current circumstances? Clearly not. Does it generate sympathy for SCO? Yep.
The fact is SCO's web site is a convienient tool for people who already have SCO and are looking for technical information. Speaking from personal experience, the DOS attack on SCO's site has prevented me from moving a customer away from SCO.
Find a patent for every product or service that every Canopy backed company sells.
And pop goes Qt.
Can you say "non-sequitir"? I knew you could!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
...proper business proceedures isn't so simple. Some OpenSource people need to pay attention to "proceedure," but some some FreeSoftware people would probably be better off giving that notion the shaft.
Climbing a little bit into bed with business is probably good for Linux, but I think one foot should stay firmly on the ground.
Big Brother Bush is doubleplus ungood.
This is why armchair slashdot readers typically shouldn't be lawyers [myself included], doctors, etc...
I was a doctor before I started reading Slashdot. After countless hours of talking with the lawyers of my many clients for being blamed for their mal-use of phen-fen, even though they were counciled and agreed by contract that they will hold me blameless and indemnify myself and my business and business's employees by its use...I attend slashdot to *improve* the conversation from all the lawyers I talk with.
That says somthing about lawyers...and slashdot as a whole. I think you went a little far to insult us. I know I wouldn't like a corporation (like SCO) braking the rules of a contract (GPL) constructed and agreed to by consenting parties of sound mind. I'm not saying all lawyers are bad, hopefully I'm not received as supporting that idea. I'm just disappointed by the transgressions as these people perpetuate upon eachother. I'ts realy a dark day in history when things like this (phen-fen and SCO) lawyers brake covenants between a public party (servant, debtor, registered as public) and a private party (master, creditor, not registered thus is considered private).
Let me preface my comment by saying that I don't endorse such DoS attacks, however, I don't exactly care either. SCO has been terrorizing the Linux and Open Source communities for months now. Let them have a taste of their own, below-the-belt, illegal, medicine for a change.
Sure, IBM will crush them in the end, but why not annoy the fuckola out of them in the meantime with DoS attacks?
Boohoo for the hosting company that shares space with them. Guilt by assocation. If I share a house with Saddam, it's fair to assume I'll get shot at.
Just my doped-up-on-tramadol opinion though... I could be wrong.
You probably should spell "ca-ching" as "ka-ching".
Being nerdy, I automatically thought "kashing" when I saw the word.
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http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/news/article.php?sid
Okay, obviously things are getting way out of control from the marionette. It is time for the puppeteer to finally see the light of day. The wizards behind the curtain have got to be held out into the light of day for what they are attempting.
To that end, it is necessary to start a new campaign. That campaign involves contacting via e-mail, fax, letter or phone every one of the Canopy Group companies to let them know your displeasure over the Canopy Group's tactics and outright attempt to steal from the community.
This unfortunately means the the makers of Qt (TrollTech) should be contacted as well. They are under the Canopy Group umbrella as well. This would ultimately mean that KDE is no longer free if the Canopy group were to succeed through its marionette the SCO Group in invalidating the GPL. That would mean that Qt would no longer be free either. It is time for people who are a part of this group to put an end to this madness.
If the only way is to force their hand by communicating directly with those companies and urging them to put an end to this - then so be it. An organized campaign of communication may be the only way left for the community to rally to stop this act of aggression and greed.
Info is from the Halloween 9, It Ain't Necessarily SCOdocument. Excellent read
Help fight continental drift.
Hey, that'd solve the "problem" of whether to use GNOME or KDE... ;-)
Actually, Microsoft, Gates Allen and a couple of students wrote a port of basic for the Altair 8800 in the hotel room in Albuquerque. They bought what became Dos from the Seattle computer company for $75,000 in 1980 I believe...
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?
would be better.
Can't wait for Boise to wear one.
Help fight continental drift.
am i rite?
OMG OMG LUNIX OMG
I know that a lot of people are pissed off at SCO for all of their rampant BS, but DOS attacks do not do jack squat to "help" Linux, Open Source, or otherwise because it makes Linux users look like a bunch of criminals, which is exactly what SCO wants people to think.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Your point is unclear as it relates to the critical questions here. Are you saying that SCO's behavior is more consistent with using LSD? I really don't see much creativity in their rantings. However, neither to I detect see much of mental energy one is supposed to associate with coke or speed.
I think SCO's delusions seem to be more of the pink elephant variety. Is McBride an old alky? Certainly would explain a lot.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Can you say "I'm too dumb to have any clue about my own double-stantards" ? I knew you couldn't...
The gall of this article. SCO has done more damage to innocent bystanders (users of Linux), than any DOS attack has done to SCO. Hell, I'd be happy to see a year long DOS attack on SCO sites. Then we and the rest of the world would at least be able to ignore them, and have some peace on the net...
i didn't do this mod, but just for your information, someone who does a mod in a story cannot post in the same story.
mi save tingting long peles bilong mi long Niu Ailan.
I see a trade of 376500 shares of SCOX at $14.85 on the 26th at 2:48PM. Thats $5.5M! Who has that many shares to trade?
You can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs. So as long as SCO goes down I say "Fair play to the queen, kill the crazy dog"
Eddie Izzard said that and Amen Now I'm not advocating this per say but if only we couldn't implicate Mcbride in some kind of Utah mormon wife swapping scandal.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
You think that you think, therefor you are thinking (and yes, it's more or less turtles all the way down.)
So you think that you are... how could you NOT be if you think that you are? There would be nothing to do the thinking, therefor you are.
Buy into Einstein's notion of simplifying down to the last bits, and apply it to your shredding of Decartes, bring it all back home: "Cogito ergo sum." Period.
ah! okay. thanks.
I guess we all know who the next variant of the Blaster virus will be targeting.... Wouldn't that be ironic, millions of infected Windows machines giving them the Mother of all Slashdot Effects.
This hot off the press today, from SCO in Australia. I think these guys have split personalities or something. I just submitted it as a separate story item, and I will be stunned if it is rejected, since this just now hit the presses. Was it all a protracted April Fools joke, or did it just get to hot for them to handle alongside the IBM lawsuit?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/10620
Contents:
The SCO Group said today it had never planned to sue any Linux companies, had no concrete plans to sue anyone and also no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court.
The company was responding to questions routed through its PR people in Sydney.
As the Canopy Group, which has a stake in SCO, also has interests in several other Linux companies, SCO was asked whether it planned to sue all these companies. The answer was "No. SCO has never planned to sue Linux companies."
In June, SCO senior vice-president Chris Sontag was quoted as saying the company would either will file a new suit or amend its lawsuit against IBM to target other companies which SCO alleges are illegally appropriating its Unix source code.
Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court.
Earlier this year the company issued a letter to commercial Linux users threatening them with legal action.
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Among the companies in which Canopy is involved is Linux Networx, which has supplied a supercomputer to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; asked whether SCO would sue the laboratory, the company spokesperson said: "No. SCO has never made concrete plans to sue anyone."
In a statement made on August 20, SCO chief executive officer Darl McBride said the company was identifying Linux users for possible litigation.
In March, SCO filed a billion-dollar lawsuit against IBM, for "misappropriation of trade secrets, tortious interference, unfair competition and breach of contract."
SCO also claimed that Linux was an unauthorised derivative of Unix and warned commercial Linux users that they could be legally liable for violation of intellectual copyright. SCO later expanded its claims against IBM to US$3 billion in June when it said it was withdrawing IBM's licence for its own Unix, AIX.
My rights don't need management.
After contact with ESR, and what we've duscussed, he can assure you and I can assure you that these claims are either bogus or created by SCO's own efforts to stop the attack. QUITE SIMPLY PUT NOTHING ELSE IN THAT SUBNET WAS DAMAGED BY THESE ATTACKS. THIS CLAIM IS UTTERLY BOGUS AND FURTHER FUD FROM THE SCO LIE MACHINE.
I guess you already answered that by saying it was a "double-standard".
While we're at it, can you say "Webster's dictionary"?
As a matter of fact, yes I can say "You're too dumb to have a clue about your own double-standards," or anything else, for that matter...
They have their own domain name, so what's he problem?
Fact: More innocent civilians were killed in the invasion of Afghanistan than were killed in the WTC.
Yes, SCO certainly IS a repressive regime... but I would hardly call Sadaam Hussein "innocent"!!!
Version 1.12 - Note: Features/bugs listed may not apply to some SCO products/versions
/* SCO OpenServer */ darlsux() ;
/* UnixWare gcc */ darlsux() ;
/* Gemini I cc (SCO UnixWare 7 and UDK) */ darlsux() ;
/* SCO UnixWare cc */ darlsux() ;
/* ODT 3 or earlier */
/* Other platform */
NOTE: This report hereby placed in public domain, use it as you wish, at your own risk!
Additional suggestions, detailed specific recommendations, comments, requested.
Obviously it is a concern to GPL software authors that they maintain compatibility with the SCO platforms, while SCO publicly abuses them, tries to get the GPL declared invalid, and while SCO profits from selling their software and integrating it into future releases of the SCO product line.
Software authors will be aware that breaking SCO compatibility may cause problems for SCO users - (although strictly speaking that is SCO's problem, not the software author(s)', unless the author(s) have some contractual relationship with SCO or SCO customers).
SCO needs support revenue (and new sales revenue) that may depend on GPL products, to fund their PR and litigation. Thus, software authors, who not obligated to support SCO, presumably might want to.
Therefore here is a list of things NOT to do, if you don't want to break SCO compatibility.
1. Don't refactor your code, rearrange files, move functions between files, and rename files more logically in the same release as one which contains accidentally contains one or more SCO incompatible changes.
If you do this, it would make it harder for SCO or their partners to re-introduce any "lost" code that was necessary to support the SCO's platforms. Obviously you wouldn't want that.
2. Don't accidentally remove SCO support in a series of stages, which overlap in time with a bunch of critical security or bug fixes, without making it clear at which stages you accidentally removed SCO support.
3. Don't accidentally remove any special fixes or work rounds for SCO platforms.
4. Don't depend on functions, which are not implemented or perform differently on SCO platforms. Especially don't depend on those functions in lots of different places in your product.
In particular avoid these functions:
(please help with this list - "list 4")
Known bugs in SCO products:
Unixware: accept() does not set the sa_family value correctly for the AF_UNIX family. See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/patches/2001-Augu st/005630.html
Unixware: atan2() does returns pi instead of zero for atan2(0, x). See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/patches/2001-Augu st/005630.html
5. Don't depend on compiler features that might not be available on SCO platforms. This is especially true if, as has been suggested may occur, new versions of GCC don't support SCO platforms.
In particular don't depend on these compiler features:
(please help with this list if and when GCC loses SCO support)
6. Don't put in messages that display only on SCO's platforms.
Avoid putting in code like (and especially not commenting):
#if defined(_SCO_DS)
#elif defined(__UNIXWARE__)
#elif defined(__USLC__)
#if defined( __STDC_VERSION__ ) && __STDC_VERSION__ == 199409
#else
#endif
#elif defined(M_UNIX)
#else
#endif
7. Don't remove support in your makefile for building the application on SCO's platforms.
8. Don't rename your functions and variables with names that conflict with SCO-spe
Stock Cash Out ;-)
It was a DOS ATTACK on SCO. So, rather than SCO suing people for using DOS, hackers are installing DOS on computers running SCO Unix.
Dont laugh.
It makes a hell of a lot more sense than their IBM suit.
zeke
not flaming here, just telling it like it is...
if my company were suffering because another company in the same datacenter provider was getting DoS'd, that's when it's time to sue the datacenter provider.
this is why there is such a huge chasm between amateur cohosting facilities and the pros: the pros dont fuck around, they know how to stop a DoS either with their equipment or at the upstream provider.
if this innocent bystander company doesnt have an SLA with consequences for serious downtime like this, then said company is run by morons and doesnt deserve to be taken seriously anyways.
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I took the liberty of calling some of the toll free numbers of the companies on the Canopy Group list. What I found out is that the Canopy Group is an investor in each of these companies and also the majority investor in SCO-CALDERA.
One of the people I talked to indicated that at the time I called, the entire management team of her company was in a meeting with their legal council (Man I would have loved to be fly on that wall).
My thinking is that the Canopy Group filed the IBM suit with full knowledge that they were destroying SCO-CALDERA by doing so. But, because SCO-CALDERA was not making any money anyway, it was not a big sacrifice, and the potential benefit was a large financial pay off if they could get IBM to settle. However, I think the weak point in their strategy is that they may not have expected the fallout to extend beyond SCO-Caldera, and threaten to destroy all of their other investments as well. They may have thought that they could keep the negative response localized so that SCO-Caldera was their only investment that would need to be sacrificed to pursue the strategy. My speculation is that if their other holdings are threatened, then they will need to reevaluate the cost/benefit equation of their actions. Therefore I think that it is imperative that we demonstrate that we can bring pressure to bear, not just to SCO-CALDERA, which was already a lost cause, but to all the Canopy Group companies. I would therefore urge a massive campaign against these companies, beginning with a flood of phone calls and e-mails. Next, we should do everything in our power to insure that the entire industry knows that these companies are on the black list and are associated with SCO-CALDERA by way of the Canopy Group, and should be avoided like the plague. The Canopy Group web site also has information on their executive team: http://www.canopy.com/aboutus/managementteam.htm
I believe that we need to make our intentions clear to all of the members of the executive team. Next, with a little research we should be able to find out who the customers of these companies are and inform them of the problem.
So, without further ado, here is the Canopy Group black list. Most of these companies have toll free numbers listed on their web site. Please help out by giving them a ring:
http://canopy.com
http://www.altiris.com
http
http://www.axiompress.com
ht
http://www.cerberian.com
ht
http://www.cogitoi
http://www.communitect.com/
http://www.d
http://www.devicelogics.com/
htt
http://www.directpointe
http://www.fatpipeinc.com/
http://www.geol
http://www.gmmi.net/
http://www.helius.c
http://www.homepipeline.com/
http://www.iarc
http://www.industrialtrainingzone.com/
http://www.januslogix.com/
http://www.learningo
http://www.linuxnetworx.com/
http://w
http://www.ma
http://www.mi-corporation.com/
http
http://www.myfamily.com
http://w
http://www.perimeterlab
http://www.sabertoothtools.com/
http://www
http://www.caldera.com/
http://www.
http://www.trolltech.com/
http://
http://www.viawest.net/
http://w
http://www.wrenchead.com/
I would urge the employees of all of these companies to take up the matter with their management. If you feel very brave, you should threaten to resign if they continue their relationship with the Canopy Group.
Let us do everything that is leagal to defend our investment in open source.
You've obviously been watching too much television. Back in the early 80's things were different. Bad boys got in fist fights and had liquor. We did things bad girls liked. Mostly it was about how incredibly horny we were and what kinds of lengths we'd got to. It still impresses girls if you go out of your way for them, only out of high school that would look more like buying flowers or taking her out to a fancy restaurant.
Maybe your should open up to your slightly more primitive side? Underneath were not nearly so civilized.
Quack, quack.
SCO's DoS attack on potential Linux users.
Given what McBride and company are doing, did they seriously think they wouldn't get attacked by the Black Hat community as well as everyone else? Morons.
OTOH they may have been counting on it.
The Gripping Hand is, if they were, it's not exactly the response they were looking for - came months late. Mayhaps they were figuring they'd get slammed like the RIAA does and could use it as PR FUD then? Whoops, guys, sorry that reality screwed your expectations.
realityshunt
Democracy is susceptible to being led astray by having scapegoats paraded in front of the electorate.
announced "SCO is under DoS attack", then
everyone on the Internet clicked on www.sco.com
to verify -- thus, this time causing a real DoS.
Perhaps McBride should offer proof before
he goes around blaming others. Oh, wait, this
is SCO. No proof is required.
Caldera International bought DR-DOS.
Then Caldera International sued Microsoft for $1.6 billion.
Microsoft settled.
The terms of the settlement for confidential, but estimated at $150 million.
Reference:
Microsoft, Caldera settle long-standing lawsuit
The hosting company is Center 7, which is partially or fully owned by Canopy Group. Canopy Group is the largest shareholder in SCO.
BTW, Center 7 and Canopy sued Computer Associates recently. They settled for $40 million. Those Canopy Group fuckers are sue-happy pricks. "Contracts are what you use against people you do business with", indeed.
CA says settles Canopy Group, Center 7 litigation
A comment in a recent article here pointed out that their upstream ISP seems to be IBM. I wouldn't want to be the IT guy at SCO who has to raise that issue.
"Uh, hi... is this IBM?"
Yes, it is; what can I do for you?"
"Uh, this is, uh, [edited] at SCO. Someone's DOSing us, and..."
[uproarious laughter from IBM rep]
[CLICK]
Using the holy grail of OSes...
Yes, I am a pedantic geek...
"of" shouldn't be capitalized
It should at the beginnings of sentences.
In this case, as so often, you're being pedantic without foundation. Style guides differ. Many guides recommend omitting minor words like "of" from acronyms entirely. Thus, Denial of Service would be simply DS, not DoS or DOS. Other guides have all words capitalized. In any event, the actual meaning of the acronym is generally determined by context, as with any overloaded acronym, so there's no point getting all worked up over making an unnecessary distinction.
Splitting hairs on this particular point just makes you look silly, not smart.
http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/style.html
1. Why did he proclaim himself a general against
SCO, when Linus and RMS (the Linux and GPL principals)
did not partake in such theatrics.
2. Why did ESR claimed responsibility on behalf
of Linux?
I know why: it is chance to play into the Linux
crowd to earn karma. Well, it is non of his business. The
target of SCO is IBM, Linux, and the GPL.
But ESR is not happy, apparently, he want the
target to be Open Source too, who else can
he gain karma? ESR wich his coup
agains Free Software a few years ago, is very similar to McBride.
--
If RMS is a "nutso prophet," ESR is the televangelist version. :-)
-- Henry Spencer
The old SCO versions used to come with a utility called "floodping" for doing network stress testing. I was always wary of this thing as it sounded kind of dangerous to me.
BTW If this DOS attack is being done by anyone reading this: cut it out. Linux is slowly gaining ground among even conservative IS leadership types. The WORST thing we can do now is let ourselves be perceived as a community of people who have no respect for other people's livelihoods.
Do we really know they're experiencing a DOS attack? Maybe they're using an operating system that cannot handle the amount of traffic they're getting? Maybe they should switch to Linux of FreeBSD?
those who don't know about ESR, did to read
more about the origins of Open Sourse and how
they ripped-off Free Sofware by claiming credit
for everything created by Free Software for the
last decaded. ESR is the linux version of
McBride, except that he has been successfull
with their stealing.
There is no need for a public apology from ESR,
it will mean nothing to me.
This is funnier than you think, or maybe you are just very subtle.
SCO used to be known as Caldera. Caldera actually did purchase the rights to DR-DOS. Then they sued Microsoft on the grounds that Microsoft had intentionally made Windows 3.1 incompatible with DR-DOS.
The suit went on for a couple of years. Microsoft eventually settled it by paying the company known as Caldera $150 million.
So, hey, moderators. The parent post is actually very much on-topic!
...this all just turns out to be some sort of snipe hunt masterminded by a closet Linux advocate.
:-)
Think about it - bunch of hugely greedy execs that are tech-challenged. Techie sees opportunity and drops a hint that they're getting screwed by the Linux folks and could probably make a ton of money off of it. Greedy tech-challenged execs manage to convince themselves that techie is right; charge forward with their Swiss-cheese case -- while techie laughs his friggin' head off.
What an evil idea.
Wish I had thought of it...
-- CP
Unbelieveable... SCO is now backtracking on the whole Linux user lawsuit thing... SCO's PR people in Australia are now claiming that there was never any serious plans to sue Linux companies or commercial Linux companies! This in spite of Darl's statement quite to the contrary just a week ago!
Are they really so stupid as to think that nobody will remember what they've actually said up to this point?
Wanted: One witty yet thought provoking
They're DoS attacks, not DOS attacks!
Perhaps SCO knows their claims are rubbish, and they are in a sinking ship, and that they are trying to drive their stock high enough as possible so they can get out with a bit of a golden lining in their pockets before the ship goes down?
Just a thought...
Judging from the netcraft uptime stats, SCO are using a solar powered web server.
A remarkable technical achievement but it does mean that nobody outside the US can access the site during working hours...
DDoSing SCO and taking out others not owned by Canopy is bad form. It makes all Linux supporters look bad even if you don't buy into this DDoSing as I am plenty of others do. This is the kind of shit you would expect Darl Mcturd to pull. ESR is right this is bad.
As you can see I don't care about my karma.
Why doesnt the hosting company just drop SCO for bringing all this pain to others being hosted? Problem solved.
I feel certain that M$ is funding this whole thing. It doesn't matter how ridiculous it is, it still comes out as bad press for Linux in the majority of the media coverage, building a level of uncertainty about the use of Linux in a business environment.
This means dollars (perhaps billions) for M$, which started pushing Windows Server 2003 just after "buying" a license from SCO and before SCO launched its assault on IBM and Linux. This is a massive FUD marketing assault by M$. SCO is the Trojan horse.
I know this sounds like conspiracy theory, and it is until the money or e-mail or memo trail is found, but it makes the most sense. M$ has easily gained the most from this. SCO certainly is not any stronger and they were a sinking ship when this started. IBM, as stong as they are, now has the cloud of an invalid AIX license hanging over their heads and a $3 billion lawsuit. HP sounds like they are playing up Unix and starting to downplay Linux (personal opinion based on last report saying HP was safe from lawsuit) and, YES, organizations that were considering Linux have chosen other options, most likely M$.
I sincerely hope someone finds the smoking gun Bill G. is holding on this topic so we can look straight into the face of the real culprit.
-PersonalOpinion
You are so right. But on Central, you can get a room for $20 a night. Bring your gun and your visa card, local toughs are not impressed by knives.
Proof of the gay-linux conspiracy!
From the Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
CARTESIAN, adj.
Relating to Descartes, a famous philosopher, author of the celebrated dictum, Cogito ergo sum -- whereby he was pleased to suppose he demonstrated the reality of human existence. The dictum might be improved, however, thus: Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum -- "I think that I think, therefore I think that I am;" as close an approach to certainty as any philosopher has yet made.
Once again, an inside joke, but known to be incorrect in latin form.
...I'd get my Internet connection from a company that wasn't a SCO/Canopy Group owned ISP.
Just a suggestion.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Troll
ESR has never tried to take credit for anything the FSF has done. The OSI is simply a more
moderate version of the FSF (except that it
doesn't produce software).