The constitution is the supreme law of the land and in that document the President has the ability to pardon anyone (Like Bill Clinton did when he pardoned Terrorist in 2000). I hate to tell you this but when do you something within the framework of the law it is not outside of due process it is part of due process.
Now a standard has been set which exempts the executive from due process and makes the law inherently unequal for all of us.
Not true pardons are part of due process, now when Al Gore claimed 'no controlling legal authority' to hide documents based around the Clinton 96 fund raising activities *that* was setting up a second set of rules for executive branch members.
Some day historians will look back at the current administration and see the clear link between these two things and the runaway executive power which has so weakened this country.
Don't put the utter crap bush is pulling on Carter when FBI document disappear from the white house in the 1990's during an investigation its the fault of *that* administration. And when bush abuses the law as he has its on him not Ford!
You can argue whether or not Ford *should* have pardoned Nixon and you would probably have some valid points. When you go off calling it subversion of due process when *by definition* its part of the supreme law of the land (and on of the necessary checks in our system) or blaming Bush actions on it you're so far off base you look like a raving lunatic.
I think that Oracle is making a bad move here. Instead of partnering with Redhat, to provide a really stable and well working solution, they have chosen to just... avail themselves of the GPL license
And while they are busy pummeling each other Ubuntu will take the lead.
On the server side? are you kidding?
Back in the day when Red Hat was free I would regardless go down to CompUSA and buy a copy to support them.
All Rehat did was rebrand their free offering as Fedora so PHB's would not get confused between Red Hat and RHEL.
Then they came out with this Fedora/Red Hat model where they aren't willing to eat their own dog food.
Huh? Most of the crap in Fedora ends up in RHEL Ive been through FC 1-6 and RHEL 2.1 to four and have seen the correlation. Look Redhat is in business to make a buck that, in and of itself, is not evil. The conduct themselves in an ethical manner and give back a ton to the Linux community. Just because they run their business differently than you would does not indicate they have bad karma
gender identity has nothing to do with "how you were brought up" - its governed by one small area of the hypothalamus, which is either masculinized during the first trimester or not, depending on the functioning of the gonads. You can start by reading here for more info.
Thank you for stating a theory as fact... It is knot know how much of gender identy is due to nature and how much is nuture but thanks for playing..
"Of course, you'd say the kid who got knocked down deserved it because he was weak, or that his head injury is his problem, and no one else's."
Nobody has said that having aggression does not mean beating the crap out of people and unprovoked aggression has always been punished. But if a five year old punches another five year old its a time out offense not a criminal act. Overreaction is seriously stunting masculine development in boys today and despite what many will tell you masculinity is not a bad thing.
"That's fine and well - he'd typically come back with a knife, a bat or even a gun, and even the score."
Thats also a load of crap did we have school shooting in the 50's like we have today? Hell did we have school shootings in the 80's like we do today? I was a very small kid (late bloomer) and got the crap kicked out me / picked on pretty frequently and I was *never* tempted to bring a gun/knife/bomb to school to get even. I even did what my teachers told me and did not fight back. One day my mother told me to hit the kid back. I still get to crap kicked out of me but he waled away with a bloody nose and never touched me again. To tie gun violence to people getting their feelings / body hurt is baseless.
"That's why the so-called "pussification" is going on."
This pussification is part of the problem, years and years of kids not acting on their hormones, getting beat up and telling the teacher about it instead of fighting back builds up. You find me a study that places school violence at the same level 40 years ago as today and youll have a leg to stand on.
This is happening because 90% of the teachers think masculine = bad. We have dropping graduation rates among boys, an extremely disproportionate number of them (as compared to girls) being declared as suffering from ADD and drugged up. We have men less likely to stand up and start a family, instead they just father a bunch of bastard kids and, if the mothers are lucky, drop off child support money. Right now society if failing little boys and young men and are reaping the benefit in under performing boys and dysfunctional adult males not ceasing to live like little kids well into their twenties.
"When you take this he-man testosterone rah rah rah bullshit to the leaders-of-our-nation level, you get the threat of nuclear war."
And when you pussify men you get Neville Chamberlain appeasers which leads to.... nuclear war..
You're whole post is based upon the premise that people are no better than their hormones and that masculinity is a bad thing, Maybe you should focus on the fact violent crime (including school shootings) was lower 50 years ago when testosterone levels were higher in men.
I might, *might* consider oracle for OS support on my database servers but the support would have to be much better than their DB support for me to consider non oracle machines..
In the corporate world, they generally don't care about loyalty or about employees having job stability.
You and I have different experience in the corporate world, I have worked at several corporations and not a single one was hard on married employees with kids..
"Quite possibly. However, I don't share your feelings concerning the "small window" feeling; I think it's misplaced, although everyone is certainly entited to their own opinion on such a personal issue."
If you wait until youre 35 to have a kid by the time they start highschool youre pushing 50!. I know from personal experience the difference, my parents had seven kids.
The first five my father had between the ages of 22-29 (my mother was 19-26). Those kids wnet camping every summer several times, my father coached football and my mother was a den mother for boy scouts. They had little money but spent allot of time with their kids. My parents had two kids later in life (mother 34,36 and father (37,39). I was the youngest, I had better cloths I had better toys, new books (my older siblings just got books from the library). Hell I got to go to Europe in HS but I got very little time from my parents they did what they could but they were older and very, very tired.
Lots of people have children when they are in their late 30s or even later, and I don't think this ends up being a net negative to the child.
I never said it was a net negative, I said it causes parents to spend less time with kids not have the energy to really play and puts more pressure on them as they approach retirement. You, however, talked about how kids have oh so much less if their parents were poor young fools without direction.
Personally, I see raising a child as the most critically important thing that I will ever do, or even concieve of doing.
Ok Im with you so far..
With that said, it seems inappropriate to rush into it.
Actully it seems foolish to think a better job and more money will help you raise a better kid...
To be perfectly frank, I guess I feel that kids need financial security and a parent who's been around long enough to have a shot at having most of the answers, more than they need a grouchy old man in their lives when they're approaching middle age themselves.
Why do kids need financial security? Seriously some of the people who did the most for this world came from a state of poverty that nobody in this nation understands. BTW youll never have the answers, period... I got to see six brothers and sisters go through kids before I had any and not a one had answers regardless of when they started (ranging from 22 - 32). As as for the whole 'grouch old man' My parents loved having grandkids they got to see grow up and become adults, my oldest nephew is 20. I am rather disheartened that it would take a miracle for my mother to see my 18 month old daughter reach that age.
between people who spend their entire lives getting ready to have a child, and pour their resources into providing him or her with every possible advantage; and people who start off with close to nothing, and create children who have even less.
Wow thats offensive!
You know the rift might not have to do tith po' people jes ignitly havin dem kidz. I might be that some people want kids and realize having kids when they are young enough to coach sports, go camping, and have the energy to have kids. I waited until I was 28 a friend who was 22 had his first about 12 mos out of school and has more energy and time with his kids when they are young than I could dream of (and he / his wife live on 13$ an hour). Its a choice *HE MADE* he did not have kids young because he was stupid, hopeless, and without direction. His kids dont have 'less' because they are not middle class his kids have more of him! you can always make money time is another issue.
People who have jobs and salaries and who basically have a plan for their future, generally don't have kids until they really want to -- which may mean "never."
Actually it means when they are forty, its getting too late, and tehy have to spend a fortune on fertility treatments.
I don't quite understand the motivation, because I don't share it. For starters, I'm male, and second, I'm closer to the first group of people than the second (professionally educated, salaried job, etc.)
As am I
I can only assume that to someone with no other future prospects, maybe having a child gives them some sense of security or purpose. Or maybe they just don't care either way, and just get pregnant and then don't have any reason to not have it.
Or, here is a thought.... Some people would *rather* have a kid than wait until some magical age when they are 'ready'. Many go into it fully aware that the time of taking a weekend to fly out of town o a whim is going to end but a kid is moer rewarding than that. Maybe while you value your saleried job and education they realize that there is a small windows when you can have kids and be young enough to really enjoy them...
There are people I know who are married and are going to try to have kids, but they never even mention that they are married to their prospective employers. And, if a woman gets pregnant, it is more like "Oops! I didn't mean to. I guess I just wasn't careful" and even then they are given a difficult time.
Welcome to slashdot where 'I know a guy who...' substitutes for actuall facts.
Corporations want people who are good cogs in the machine. People having families and real lives are too much of a burden and cut into the bottom line.
I would gladly give one of my engineers the time for doctor visits, kisd baseball games, and shcool functions rather than train anyone new. And I find if you do make the time for peoples lives they generally become more loyal employees less likely to job hop, or flake out because they need the stability of a career..
Depends on your political leanings, some will see this as *SEE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" on the right.
others will say *SEE MASSIVE OVERPOPULATION WE NEED MORE ABORTION BIRTH CONTROL AND FAMILY PLANNING* on the left
"Most individuals not covered by private insurance are covered by government insurance programs like Medicare and Medicaid, and various state and local programs for the poor. Much of the cost of outpatient medical supplies and durable medical equipment is borne by state and federal governments in the form of Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare patients and veterans may be able to avail themselves to earned public ambulatory care. Since 1986, a controversial federal law, EMTALA, has required all American emergency rooms which bill federal healthcare programs to stabilize all incoming patients without regard to their ability to pay."
The federal government does not provide these services but US states do (think of US states like EU member nations.
preschool that is glorified baby-sitting
Also controlled at the local level, not the job of the US federal government. BTW the teachers unions have alot to do with this.
laughable primary education system
Also controlled at the local level, not the job of the US federal government. BTW the teachers unions have alot to do with this..
open hostility to reproductive rights
Or maybe just a disagreement with you about when human life begins...
All that aside, right now it is prohibitively expensive to have children under this system.
Huh? people are having more kids in the US than in Europe..
Granted, this is purely anecdotal, but within my circle of friends (all around 30ish), nobody is having kids or planning on having kids
And in my circle of friends (mid to late twenties) about 80% have had their first kid and about a fifth have a second...
its just too comfortable to cohabit in sin and live it up.
So the fact people want free time and disposable income more than kids has what to do with, for example, the election system in the US?
1. Outsourcing is not new. And the reaction by the IT industry is not new. The garment industry was outsourced, the steel industry, to a degree the automotive industry. It happens. The people directly impacted don't like it but as long as it make economic sense, outsourcing will happen. Adapt to survive and thrive.
But you could (not that we do) put tariffs on the garments and steel that 'American' companies try to send back here from the nations they outsourced to. Thus if an American corporation decides it wants to make its garments in vietnam they would have to consider that while they can run slave labor wages, with little or no environment regulation they might have to pay for it before they can send their crap to Wal-Mart. With information thats a little harder to do.
2. Isolated protective measures to limit outsourcing will ultimately fail. If you put restrictions on US companies that increase their costs while overseas competitors have no such restrictions, US companies will be at a competitive disadvantage ultimately hurting their growth and their employees
And if their employees are in India why should this bother me? I would not put any American company in a situation where they are treated any worse than a foreign company but I would not treat them as well as an American company.
3. Outsourcing is not easy in the IT industry. I can point to as many failures as successes. Not every company in the US that needs IT resources will be candidates for outsourcing. Not every job will end up overseas. In fact even though my entire IT organization is in India I'll soon be looking for a Systems Engineer in the US because I'm not happy with what I find in India.
You dont need every job to go for it to *&^% can the industry, if 10% of the jobs go you now have a downward pressure on wages and benefits. You make it harder for that 10% and the 90% who are working to keep up with inflation let alone actually grow in their careers.
4. Salaries for IT candidates in India are increasing very rapidly (think Silicon Valley, 1999). Given the inherent inefficiency of dealing with people great distances away, the economics of outsourcing are getting worse
Then they will start moving to Africa (http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11824).
5. Decimation means to kill off 10%, not 90% as some posts have said. From Wikipedia: The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth." So the article is correct, this is decimation.
That is not the common use, look at the dictionay not wiki:
decimate/dsmet/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[des-uh-meyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-verb (used with object), -mated, -mating.
1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague.
2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person of.
3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.
Not that I a VB.NET guy but do you really consider those 'not IT jobs'? what about J2EE? Are the only real IT jobs laying down the network so that a server farm in India can function for a Bank in the US? Lets be real here for every Network Architect / Engineer there are a dozen or so J2EE / VB.NET guys and that is the health of the industry
Companies the restructure ofen cut more than they need to inorder to remove some dead wood. Its far easier to get rid of someone because of layoffs than it is for performance. I would be willing to bet in the coming year SUN will do more hireing than it did last year..
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Now a standard has been set which exempts the executive from due process and makes the law inherently unequal for all of us.
Not true pardons are part of due process, now when Al Gore claimed 'no controlling legal authority' to hide documents based around the Clinton 96 fund raising activities *that* was setting up a second set of rules for executive branch members.
Some day historians will look back at the current administration and see the clear link between these two things and the runaway executive power which has so weakened this country.
Don't put the utter crap bush is pulling on Carter when FBI document disappear from the white house in the 1990's during an investigation its the fault of *that* administration. And when bush abuses the law as he has its on him not Ford!
You can argue whether or not Ford *should* have pardoned Nixon and you would probably have some valid points. When you go off calling it subversion of due process when *by definition* its part of the supreme law of the land (and on of the necessary checks in our system) or blaming Bush actions on it you're so far off base you look like a raving lunatic.
Presidential pardons *are* part of due process!
Hmm 5 presidential election cycles, 10 congressional cycles and 3.3 Senate cycles... yea Id say a change in government is pretty likely..
Simple you apply this criterium to your servers: They must be supported, they must have enterprise level applications certified to run on them...
I think that Oracle is making a bad move here. Instead of partnering with Redhat, to provide a really stable and well working solution, they have chosen to just... avail themselves of the GPL license
On the server side? are you kidding?
Back in the day when Red Hat was free I would regardless go down to CompUSA and buy a copy to support them.
All Rehat did was rebrand their free offering as Fedora so PHB's would not get confused between Red Hat and RHEL.
Then they came out with this Fedora/Red Hat model where they aren't willing to eat their own dog food.
Huh? Most of the crap in Fedora ends up in RHEL Ive been through FC 1-6 and RHEL 2.1 to four and have seen the correlation. Look Redhat is in business to make a buck that, in and of itself, is not evil. The conduct themselves in an ethical manner and give back a ton to the Linux community. Just because they run their business differently than you would does not indicate they have bad karma
Thank you for stating a theory as fact... It is knot know how much of gender identy is due to nature and how much is nuture but thanks for playing..
"Of course, you'd say the kid who got knocked down deserved it because he was weak, or that his head injury is his problem, and no one else's." Nobody has said that having aggression does not mean beating the crap out of people and unprovoked aggression has always been punished. But if a five year old punches another five year old its a time out offense not a criminal act. Overreaction is seriously stunting masculine development in boys today and despite what many will tell you masculinity is not a bad thing. "That's fine and well - he'd typically come back with a knife, a bat or even a gun, and even the score." Thats also a load of crap did we have school shooting in the 50's like we have today? Hell did we have school shootings in the 80's like we do today? I was a very small kid (late bloomer) and got the crap kicked out me / picked on pretty frequently and I was *never* tempted to bring a gun/knife/bomb to school to get even. I even did what my teachers told me and did not fight back. One day my mother told me to hit the kid back. I still get to crap kicked out of me but he waled away with a bloody nose and never touched me again. To tie gun violence to people getting their feelings / body hurt is baseless. "That's why the so-called "pussification" is going on." This pussification is part of the problem, years and years of kids not acting on their hormones, getting beat up and telling the teacher about it instead of fighting back builds up. You find me a study that places school violence at the same level 40 years ago as today and youll have a leg to stand on. This is happening because 90% of the teachers think masculine = bad. We have dropping graduation rates among boys, an extremely disproportionate number of them (as compared to girls) being declared as suffering from ADD and drugged up. We have men less likely to stand up and start a family, instead they just father a bunch of bastard kids and, if the mothers are lucky, drop off child support money. Right now society if failing little boys and young men and are reaping the benefit in under performing boys and dysfunctional adult males not ceasing to live like little kids well into their twenties. "When you take this he-man testosterone rah rah rah bullshit to the leaders-of-our-nation level, you get the threat of nuclear war." And when you pussify men you get Neville Chamberlain appeasers which leads to .... nuclear war..
You're whole post is based upon the premise that people are no better than their hormones and that masculinity is a bad thing, Maybe you should focus on the fact violent crime (including school shootings) was lower 50 years ago when testosterone levels were higher in men.
I might, *might* consider oracle for OS support on my database servers but the support would have to be much better than their DB support for me to consider non oracle machines..
Yea its been a viable program starting in 1973 started by Gerry Studds
The sad thing about a 2 year cycle, it seems like every other year there is an election ;)
You and I have different experience in the corporate world, I have worked at several corporations and not a single one was hard on married employees with kids..
If you wait until youre 35 to have a kid by the time they start highschool youre pushing 50!. I know from personal experience the difference, my parents had seven kids.
The first five my father had between the ages of 22-29 (my mother was 19-26). Those kids wnet camping every summer several times, my father coached football and my mother was a den mother for boy scouts. They had little money but spent allot of time with their kids. My parents had two kids later in life (mother 34,36 and father (37,39). I was the youngest, I had better cloths I had better toys, new books (my older siblings just got books from the library). Hell I got to go to Europe in HS but I got very little time from my parents they did what they could but they were older and very, very tired.
Lots of people have children when they are in their late 30s or even later, and I don't think this ends up being a net negative to the child.
I never said it was a net negative, I said it causes parents to spend less time with kids not have the energy to really play and puts more pressure on them as they approach retirement. You, however, talked about how kids have oh so much less if their parents were poor young fools without direction.
Personally, I see raising a child as the most critically important thing that I will ever do, or even concieve of doing.
Ok Im with you so far..
With that said, it seems inappropriate to rush into it.
Actully it seems foolish to think a better job and more money will help you raise a better kid...
To be perfectly frank, I guess I feel that kids need financial security and a parent who's been around long enough to have a shot at having most of the answers, more than they need a grouchy old man in their lives when they're approaching middle age themselves.
Why do kids need financial security? Seriously some of the people who did the most for this world came from a state of poverty that nobody in this nation understands. BTW youll never have the answers, period... I got to see six brothers and sisters go through kids before I had any and not a one had answers regardless of when they started (ranging from 22 - 32). As as for the whole 'grouch old man' My parents loved having grandkids they got to see grow up and become adults, my oldest nephew is 20. I am rather disheartened that it would take a miracle for my mother to see my 18 month old daughter reach that age.
Wow thats offensive!
You know the rift might not have to do tith po' people jes ignitly havin dem kidz. I might be that some people want kids and realize having kids when they are young enough to coach sports, go camping, and have the energy to have kids. I waited until I was 28 a friend who was 22 had his first about 12 mos out of school and has more energy and time with his kids when they are young than I could dream of (and he / his wife live on 13$ an hour). Its a choice *HE MADE* he did not have kids young because he was stupid, hopeless, and without direction. His kids dont have 'less' because they are not middle class his kids have more of him! you can always make money time is another issue.
Actually it means when they are forty, its getting too late, and tehy have to spend a fortune on fertility treatments.
I don't quite understand the motivation, because I don't share it. For starters, I'm male, and second, I'm closer to the first group of people than the second (professionally educated, salaried job, etc.)
As am I
I can only assume that to someone with no other future prospects, maybe having a child gives them some sense of security or purpose. Or maybe they just don't care either way, and just get pregnant and then don't have any reason to not have it.
Or, here is a thought.... Some people would *rather* have a kid than wait until some magical age when they are 'ready'. Many go into it fully aware that the time of taking a weekend to fly out of town o a whim is going to end but a kid is moer rewarding than that. Maybe while you value your saleried job and education they realize that there is a small windows when you can have kids and be young enough to really enjoy them...
Welcome to slashdot where 'I know a guy who...' substitutes for actuall facts.
Corporations want people who are good cogs in the machine. People having families and real lives are too much of a burden and cut into the bottom line.
I would gladly give one of my engineers the time for doctor visits, kisd baseball games, and shcool functions rather than train anyone new. And I find if you do make the time for peoples lives they generally become more loyal employees less likely to job hop, or flake out because they need the stability of a career..
Depends on your political leanings, some will see this as *SEE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" on the right. others will say *SEE MASSIVE OVERPOPULATION WE NEED MORE ABORTION BIRTH CONTROL AND FAMILY PLANNING* on the left
Yea its not like we have the rocky mountains in the us or anything.
"the average employed American works a 46-hour work week" http://www.libraryspot.com/know/workweek.htm
no national health plan
"Most individuals not covered by private insurance are covered by government insurance programs like Medicare and Medicaid, and various state and local programs for the poor. Much of the cost of outpatient medical supplies and durable medical equipment is borne by state and federal governments in the form of Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare patients and veterans may be able to avail themselves to earned public ambulatory care. Since 1986, a controversial federal law, EMTALA, has required all American emergency rooms which bill federal healthcare programs to stabilize all incoming patients without regard to their ability to pay."
The federal government does not provide these services but US states do (think of US states like EU member nations.
preschool that is glorified baby-sitting
Also controlled at the local level, not the job of the US federal government. BTW the teachers unions have alot to do with this.
laughable primary education system
Also controlled at the local level, not the job of the US federal government. BTW the teachers unions have alot to do with this..
open hostility to reproductive rights
Or maybe just a disagreement with you about when human life begins...
All that aside, right now it is prohibitively expensive to have children under this system.
Huh? people are having more kids in the US than in Europe..
Granted, this is purely anecdotal, but within my circle of friends (all around 30ish), nobody is having kids or planning on having kids
And in my circle of friends (mid to late twenties) about 80% have had their first kid and about a fifth have a second...
its just too comfortable to cohabit in sin and live it up.
So the fact people want free time and disposable income more than kids has what to do with, for example, the election system in the US?
much closer to two thirds than half /nitpick
Yes, we would also drop NK to 0..
But you could (not that we do) put tariffs on the garments and steel that 'American' companies try to send back here from the nations they outsourced to. Thus if an American corporation decides it wants to make its garments in vietnam they would have to consider that while they can run slave labor wages, with little or no environment regulation they might have to pay for it before they can send their crap to Wal-Mart. With information thats a little harder to do.
2. Isolated protective measures to limit outsourcing will ultimately fail. If you put restrictions on US companies that increase their costs while overseas competitors have no such restrictions, US companies will be at a competitive disadvantage ultimately hurting their growth and their employees
And if their employees are in India why should this bother me? I would not put any American company in a situation where they are treated any worse than a foreign company but I would not treat them as well as an American company.
3. Outsourcing is not easy in the IT industry. I can point to as many failures as successes. Not every company in the US that needs IT resources will be candidates for outsourcing. Not every job will end up overseas. In fact even though my entire IT organization is in India I'll soon be looking for a Systems Engineer in the US because I'm not happy with what I find in India.
You dont need every job to go for it to *&^% can the industry, if 10% of the jobs go you now have a downward pressure on wages and benefits. You make it harder for that 10% and the 90% who are working to keep up with inflation let alone actually grow in their careers.
4. Salaries for IT candidates in India are increasing very rapidly (think Silicon Valley, 1999). Given the inherent inefficiency of dealing with people great distances away, the economics of outsourcing are getting worse
Then they will start moving to Africa (http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11824).
5. Decimation means to kill off 10%, not 90% as some posts have said. From Wikipedia: The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth." So the article is correct, this is decimation.
That is not the common use, look at the dictionay not wiki:
/dsmet/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
decimate
Pronunciation[des-uh-meyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-verb (used with object), -mated, -mating.
1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague.
2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person of.
3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.
6. I could be wrong on any or all of the above.
Well at least you got that much right ;)
Not that I a VB.NET guy but do you really consider those 'not IT jobs'? what about J2EE? Are the only real IT jobs laying down the network so that a server farm in India can function for a Bank in the US? Lets be real here for every Network Architect / Engineer there are a dozen or so J2EE / VB.NET guys and that is the health of the industry
Companies the restructure ofen cut more than they need to inorder to remove some dead wood. Its far easier to get rid of someone because of layoffs than it is for performance. I would be willing to bet in the coming year SUN will do more hireing than it did last year..
Thank you, I appreiacte the correction..