are you a retard?!? Bush cut the taxes on people earning ONE MILLION dollars a year, plus. Does that makes sense to you. If you earn ONE MILLION DOLLARS a year, net or gross, you are not a middle-class citizen.
Umm I cant speak to his IQ but he seems to be more informed than you. While bush did give a cut to people making 1 Million or more he gave a cut to every couple making more than 56 thousand dollars, and ever individule making more than 26 thousand dollars. does 26K = 1 million to you? The only brackets that did not get cut are the two lowest whos members usually get everything back (including FICA). Damn it man there is not tax bracket that starts at a million dollars so how is it that the Bush plan gave a tax cut only to those makign a million or more?
Old -> New, High Cutoff (Married)
38.6 -> 35, None
35 -> 33, 311K
30 -> 28, 174K
27 -> 25, 114K
15 -> 15, 56K
10 -> 10, 14K
So if you make more than 56K (as a married couple) you taxes went down. If you make less your taxes stayed the same (as a not ususally if you make less than 50K as a married couple you get all of your taxes back at the end of the year.
Eveyone
had there taxes lowered. The top four brackets are down and the cutoff for the 25% bracket (in the past the 28% bracket) is 25K single, 56K married hardly millionairs. In addition to the top 4 being lower there is an increased per chiled credit from 500$ -> 2000$
God the hate tax cut crowd does not even try to look something up..
Just a few fun questions for you, do you believe in darwinian evolution as an explanation for how mankind came to be?
No, I don't.
And do you believe that Adam and Eve actually existed?
Yes I do, Nobody expects the slashdot inquistion.
So I guess because I have different beliefs than you I am barbarian. But you can kill unborn babies so long as you believe evolution?
Yeah right, I think the majority of people in both your country and mine would agree with me on this one though.
And I am assuming you have something to demonstrate this? I would also put it to you more people agreeing with you does not make it right, in 1800 most people in the US agreed slavery was OK.
It's hard to say exactly when it begins because it's a gradual, organic process.
Conception is not gradual, one minute you have a sperm and an egg the next you have Human life. The problem with saying I dont know so lets ignore it is that in the meantime people are dying.
I think it is silly of YOU to try to paint ME as a barbarian here, so please desist.
Perhaps if you were not so calous twords abortion I might not have to point out youre acting like a barbarian
Interesting, whats your point. What I took issue with is quoted below
Because geocentric theory predated any of the scientist you mentiond, it stated about 1500 years before it was debunked..
I haven't decided yet, somewhere in the latter half of the pregnancy,
Well that nice and specific enough to make a law, thanks. Its nice to know that when it comes to killing a human being you feel comfortable pullnig the trigger when you have not even decided when life begins.
maybe around a time when there would be a chance that the baby could live on its own if it was born (and obviously fed and taken care of)
In 1972 this would have been 32 weeks, today babies as young as 21 weeks are born and survivce (without ill health) so does you definition chage with every single scientific advancement? We define a human being as someone healthy enough to live with todays technology? So a Roe V Wade Victim in 1973 is justified but a Roe V Wade Victim today is not?
And I hate to tell you that the time period between Copernicus (1473-1543) proposing an alternative to the Ptolemaic model and Newton (1643-1727) convincing the Church that we were not at the center of the universe is FAR less than 1500 years.
Early maps from the christian church put earth at the center of the universe with the sun rotating around it, from that time to Newton was around 1500 years.
I'm sorry for not being more clear about it, that was wild conjecture on my part
Yes it was
Btw nice ignoring of my question about why you dont behave like a christian should.
Hey if someone does or says something stupid as a Christian I can take them to task on it.
Really? and when exactly is that? Who makes that decision? It took mankind more that 1500 years to overcome the church and take man kind out of the center of the univers, now we are going to put him right back in the name of secular humanism?
Tell me when you think it begins and why..
Btw nice ignoring of my question about why you dont behave like a christian.
This coming from the man who *still* has not posted a link showing that those who voted for Bush are less intelligent than those who vated for kerry..
You are so self important, the difference between your 'moral crusade' and the slavery issue is not 'when life begins'. I think everyone knew that the slaves were alive.
Pigs are alive two, they are not afforded human life. Obviously an unborn baby is alive the question becomes is it human life? Southerners did not consider slaves Human, the pro-death crowd does not consider unborn babies Human.. For both parties that opinion makes it easier for them to look into the mirror. That way slave owners and the pro death crowd can look at themselves and feel so gosh darn superior to those ignorent folks who want to 'impose' on them.
You use words like 'pro-death' and 'pro-life' as if you are a force for good and people who have different beliefs to yours are a force of evil. This clearly illustrates your lack of objectivity and inflated sense of self-importance.
I use words like pro-life, and pro-death because thats what its about. I myself am too unimportant to be a 'force' for anything. God will use me as he will use me and if that means I am to sweep floors for the rest of my life and never be know so be it.
Different beliefs do not justify stripping away human rights. Many Muslims believe that women are property, that they can be killed for having sex outside of marrage, do we respect those beliefs? The question is when does human life begin, and the only solid scientific answer is either conception or birth, and as one can hardly say a baby two minutes from birth is fundimentally different at a biological level than one two minutes after birth I choose conception.
This is not a lack of confidence, Cliton lost four after his re-election and over the course of his administration replaced 7. These are not high paying jobs, and have a workload and stress factor most of us can imagine..
Yea I love that time they ran a story about some guy running for president and used memos that were so obviously faked laypeople on the internet nailed it in a few hours...
/. ran a story a few days ago about how Badnarik, Cobb, and Nader are gathering funding for a recount in several key states.
Three guys who together did not get 1% of the vote calling for a recount does not make the election disputed.
Not to mention the fact that the discrepancy between exit polls and actual results was larger than usual.
The only state I saw outside of an exit pols margin of error was Flordia. I could be wrong there might be others but the whole reson we bother to vote rather than trust the 6 months of poll whiplash we get is because you cant trust a poll.
Well... thats not what I was talking about. I was talking about ABORTION,
And the difference is when Life begins, if you say its not life until the age of reason (7) whats the difference between killing a two year old and a baby two months old in the womb?
I know thats a big word but Im sure you can go find out what it is.
So you got over your hurt feeling long enough to throw some mud of your own eh?
So you think that the State allowing people to do what they want with their own bodies (neither condemning nor condoning abortions) is as bad as a state that sells, tortures and rapes people based on their skin colour. How civilised.
Well considering the southerners used arguments like 'they are not human', and 'its our property well do with it what we want' it seems to compare very well with the pro-death crowds 'its not human' and 'its my body ill do with it what I want'.
The huge moral outrage you feel over slavery is because you define African Americans as human beings, southers slave owners did not. The outrage I feel over Abortion is because I consider *Human* life to begin at conception, you do not.
How Christian of you. I dont think jesus would insult someone just for having a different opinion to him.
So I see you know as much about Jesus as you do the US political landscape.. Jesus threw over tables and attacked people for changing money infront of the temple. Just because 'Buddy-Jesus' is the current fad does not change anything.
You think that giving parents the right to choose whether to continue with a pregnancy or not is as great an injustice as stealing humans from their homeland, then forcing them to work for nothing while murdering, raping and torturing them.
Lets see Would I consider a law letting people kill a 2 year old as bad as slavery? yes I do. If you are so obtuse that you cant even try to see it from another point of view you're beyond all hope...
I say this because I believe human life starts at conception and its wrong to kill human life. And killing babies is as bad as slavery. By the way current abortion law in the us does not giev 'parents' any say, fathers have no rights in the abortion decision.
You ARE incorrect. The majority of more educated and wealthy states just 'happened' to vote for Kerry, while the fetid, backwater, racist, bible-bashing states 'happened' to vote for Bush.
Actually in some of the states a plurality, not a majority voted for Kerry (WI for example). And if you think the deluded one is somebody who would rather look at a state map than a more accurate county map have a nice day..
Don't be so ignorant, the educated states vote blue and the peasant states vote red. You can come up with your little statistics but you cannot lie about facts, look at the map.
Like this
map Its a bit more telling when you look at a county map than the state maps. 45% of California voted for Bush, thats not some little statistic to be ignored. Kerry beat Bush by less than half a percentage point in WI the fact is the nation is not divided by state its divided by Urban Vs. Sub-Urban. If thats too complicated a world view for you im sorry.
Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government
Now whos pulling meaningless stats out of nowhere? Fact is if you look at a county map of the 'red' states you see that the large population centers (in AK look at little rock, in LA look at NO) voted for Kerry. So once you step out of your three year old mind set that California is Blue and Missipi is Red its not so simple to say that. That being said I dont know if red counties, and neighborhoods receive money but neither do you.
Wow you are comparing anti-abortionists to those who struggled against slavery, how noble a quest. You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself.
Yes I consider Killing babies to be *at least* as bad as slavery, and no I dont have a high opinion of myself.
All the ill educated country folk vote Republican, and all the big University (read EDUCATED) states vote blue!
Actually to show how stupid your statement is I can point out that one of the 'uber elite smart' states (California) put 45% of its vote to Bush, and one of the 'backward hick states' Iowa gave 49% to Kerry. So no your simple little world view of red states bad dumb bush supporters, blue states nice loving kerry supporters does not fit.
DO YOU NOT ADMIT THAT BUSH TRICKED CONGRESS INTO AUTHORIZING HIM TO USE FORCE?
Two reasons: I have never seen proof he was trying to 'trick them' and according to you Bush is an Idiot and he tricked a smart senator from Boston. Fact is the measure itself was a foolish and unconstitutional one, and Kerry / Bush should be ashamed that they are in any way tied to it. But because you hate Bush you'll give kerry a pass for playing politics with his vote for 'force'.
I made the comment about Fox because it is statistically likely that you watch it.
Based on what, you still cant produce a study showing bush voters are stupid, now you want to start digging another hole by saying statisticaly because I am conservative I watch fox?
I think single issue voters, in particular anti-abortionists are extremely easy to dupe, and I have been proven right. Dont be so naiive.
Yea like those pesky single issue voters who wanted to end slavery, they should have seen the bigger picture..
The first part is wild speculation but you used "U.S." and "Regime" together in a slashdot post so +1 tinfoil... err I mean insightful for you.
The second part deals with Corn in canada which primarily is a wind born crop. Wheay and Barley which are the major crops of Iraq are self fretilizing.
For the past four years I have been listening to the left moan and cry that because Gore won the popular vote bush was not really the president. Spokesmen for the DNC like Jessie Jackson have cried "let the winner win, and the loser lose but never again let the loser win and the winner lose".
If the recount goes kerry's way (and I doubt they'll find 130K votes) he will be the president, Ill have no complaints about it (I voted 3rd Party). What I will love to see is the left embrace their guy and ignore the partisan crap they have been spewing for four years..
A republic and Democracy are two different kinds of governments, so yes one does exculde the other.
False. That is not the definition of republic, primarily because it contradicts the correct definition you already printed.
Now whos allergic to the dictionary..
But if you know that, how can you continue to claim that the USA is not a democracy?
Because the US government does not work directly or even directly through elected representation. Have you ever heard of the supreme court? are they elected? The bicameral legislature contains only one part that is democratic, the other is there to represent the states not the people. The preisdent is also there to represent the states not the people.
Or don't you think the people there govern through elected representatives?
Supreme Court, President, Senate these are bodys of the states not of the people.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution was bringing into existence. Franklin replied, "A republic, if you can keep it."
The founders gave us a constitutional republic, and a federal government.
By the way
Republic: A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president. A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
Democracy: Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
All out problems in this manner could be solved with a good ol' does of federalism. In Lousianna they have a runoff system, it the winning party does not get 50% of the vote they runoff. States are free to run their elections anyway they see fit.
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Umm I cant speak to his IQ but he seems to be more informed than you. While bush did give a cut to people making 1 Million or more he gave a cut to every couple making more than 56 thousand dollars, and ever individule making more than 26 thousand dollars. does 26K = 1 million to you? The only brackets that did not get cut are the two lowest whos members usually get everything back (including FICA). Damn it man there is not tax bracket that starts at a million dollars so how is it that the Bush plan gave a tax cut only to those makign a million or more?
Old -> New, High Cutoff (Married)
38.6 -> 35, None
35 -> 33, 311K
30 -> 28, 174K
27 -> 25, 114K
15 -> 15, 56K
10 -> 10, 14K
WTF is wrong with you!
I think his problem is that he bothered to buy a clue before posting a rant on slashdoat...
Ummm, I notice this ignores the congress, but usually people make the mistake of thinking the president has the power to tax or spend money..
Old -> New, High Cutoff (Married) 38.6 -> 35, None 35 -> 33, 311K 30 -> 28, 174K 27 -> 25, 114K 15 -> 15, 56K 10 -> 10, 14K So if you make more than 56K (as a married couple) you taxes went down. If you make less your taxes stayed the same (as a not ususally if you make less than 50K as a married couple you get all of your taxes back at the end of the year.
God the hate tax cut crowd does not even try to look something up..
No, I don't.
And do you believe that Adam and Eve actually existed?
Yes I do, Nobody expects the slashdot inquistion. So I guess because I have different beliefs than you I am barbarian. But you can kill unborn babies so long as you believe evolution?
And I am assuming you have something to demonstrate this? I would also put it to you more people agreeing with you does not make it right, in 1800 most people in the US agreed slavery was OK.
It's hard to say exactly when it begins because it's a gradual, organic process.
Conception is not gradual, one minute you have a sperm and an egg the next you have Human life. The problem with saying I dont know so lets ignore it is that in the meantime people are dying.
I think it is silly of YOU to try to paint ME as a barbarian here, so please desist.
Perhaps if you were not so calous twords abortion I might not have to point out youre acting like a barbarian
Interesting, whats your point. What I took issue with is quoted below
Because geocentric theory predated any of the scientist you mentiond, it stated about 1500 years before it was debunked..
Well that nice and specific enough to make a law, thanks. Its nice to know that when it comes to killing a human being you feel comfortable pullnig the trigger when you have not even decided when life begins.
maybe around a time when there would be a chance that the baby could live on its own if it was born (and obviously fed and taken care of)
In 1972 this would have been 32 weeks, today babies as young as 21 weeks are born and survivce (without ill health) so does you definition chage with every single scientific advancement? We define a human being as someone healthy enough to live with todays technology? So a Roe V Wade Victim in 1973 is justified but a Roe V Wade Victim today is not?
And I hate to tell you that the time period between Copernicus (1473-1543) proposing an alternative to the Ptolemaic model and Newton (1643-1727) convincing the Church that we were not at the center of the universe is FAR less than 1500 years.
Early maps from the christian church put earth at the center of the universe with the sun rotating around it, from that time to Newton was around 1500 years.
I'm sorry for not being more clear about it, that was wild conjecture on my part
Yes it was
Btw nice ignoring of my question about why you dont behave like a christian should.
Hey if someone does or says something stupid as a Christian I can take them to task on it.
Really? and when exactly is that? Who makes that decision? It took mankind more that 1500 years to overcome the church and take man kind out of the center of the univers, now we are going to put him right back in the name of secular humanism?
Tell me when you think it begins and why..
Btw nice ignoring of my question about why you dont behave like a christian.
This coming from the man who *still* has not posted a link showing that those who voted for Bush are less intelligent than those who vated for kerry..
Pigs are alive two, they are not afforded human life. Obviously an unborn baby is alive the question becomes is it human life? Southerners did not consider slaves Human, the pro-death crowd does not consider unborn babies Human.. For both parties that opinion makes it easier for them to look into the mirror. That way slave owners and the pro death crowd can look at themselves and feel so gosh darn superior to those ignorent folks who want to 'impose' on them.
You use words like 'pro-death' and 'pro-life' as if you are a force for good and people who have different beliefs to yours are a force of evil. This clearly illustrates your lack of objectivity and inflated sense of self-importance.
I use words like pro-life, and pro-death because thats what its about. I myself am too unimportant to be a 'force' for anything. God will use me as he will use me and if that means I am to sweep floors for the rest of my life and never be know so be it.
Different beliefs do not justify stripping away human rights. Many Muslims believe that women are property, that they can be killed for having sex outside of marrage, do we respect those beliefs? The question is when does human life begin, and the only solid scientific answer is either conception or birth, and as one can hardly say a baby two minutes from birth is fundimentally different at a biological level than one two minutes after birth I choose conception.
This is not a lack of confidence, Cliton lost four after his re-election and over the course of his administration replaced 7. These are not high paying jobs, and have a workload and stress factor most of us can imagine..
Ohh wait that was CBS...
Three guys who together did not get 1% of the vote calling for a recount does not make the election disputed.
Not to mention the fact that the discrepancy between exit polls and actual results was larger than usual.
The only state I saw outside of an exit pols margin of error was Flordia. I could be wrong there might be others but the whole reson we bother to vote rather than trust the 6 months of poll whiplash we get is because you cant trust a poll.
And the difference is when Life begins, if you say its not life until the age of reason (7) whats the difference between killing a two year old and a baby two months old in the womb?
I know thats a big word but Im sure you can go find out what it is.
So you got over your hurt feeling long enough to throw some mud of your own eh?
So you think that the State allowing people to do what they want with their own bodies (neither condemning nor condoning abortions) is as bad as a state that sells, tortures and rapes people based on their skin colour. How civilised.
Well considering the southerners used arguments like 'they are not human', and 'its our property well do with it what we want' it seems to compare very well with the pro-death crowds 'its not human' and 'its my body ill do with it what I want'.
The huge moral outrage you feel over slavery is because you define African Americans as human beings, southers slave owners did not. The outrage I feel over Abortion is because I consider *Human* life to begin at conception, you do not.
So I see you know as much about Jesus as you do the US political landscape.. Jesus threw over tables and attacked people for changing money infront of the temple. Just because 'Buddy-Jesus' is the current fad does not change anything.
You think that giving parents the right to choose whether to continue with a pregnancy or not is as great an injustice as stealing humans from their homeland, then forcing them to work for nothing while murdering, raping and torturing them.
Lets see Would I consider a law letting people kill a 2 year old as bad as slavery? yes I do. If you are so obtuse that you cant even try to see it from another point of view you're beyond all hope...
I say this because I believe human life starts at conception and its wrong to kill human life. And killing babies is as bad as slavery. By the way current abortion law in the us does not giev 'parents' any say, fathers have no rights in the abortion decision.
You ARE incorrect. The majority of more educated and wealthy states just 'happened' to vote for Kerry, while the fetid, backwater, racist, bible-bashing states 'happened' to vote for Bush.
Actually in some of the states a plurality, not a majority voted for Kerry (WI for example). And if you think the deluded one is somebody who would rather look at a state map than a more accurate county map have a nice day..
Like this map Its a bit more telling when you look at a county map than the state maps. 45% of California voted for Bush, thats not some little statistic to be ignored. Kerry beat Bush by less than half a percentage point in WI the fact is the nation is not divided by state its divided by Urban Vs. Sub-Urban. If thats too complicated a world view for you im sorry.
Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government
Now whos pulling meaningless stats out of nowhere? Fact is if you look at a county map of the 'red' states you see that the large population centers (in AK look at little rock, in LA look at NO) voted for Kerry. So once you step out of your three year old mind set that California is Blue and Missipi is Red its not so simple to say that. That being said I dont know if red counties, and neighborhoods receive money but neither do you.
Wow you are comparing anti-abortionists to those who struggled against slavery, how noble a quest. You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself.
Yes I consider Killing babies to be *at least* as bad as slavery, and no I dont have a high opinion of myself.
Actually to show how stupid your statement is I can point out that one of the 'uber elite smart' states (California) put 45% of its vote to Bush, and one of the 'backward hick states' Iowa gave 49% to Kerry. So no your simple little world view of red states bad dumb bush supporters, blue states nice loving kerry supporters does not fit.
DO YOU NOT ADMIT THAT BUSH TRICKED CONGRESS INTO AUTHORIZING HIM TO USE FORCE?
Two reasons: I have never seen proof he was trying to 'trick them' and according to you Bush is an Idiot and he tricked a smart senator from Boston. Fact is the measure itself was a foolish and unconstitutional one, and Kerry / Bush should be ashamed that they are in any way tied to it. But because you hate Bush you'll give kerry a pass for playing politics with his vote for 'force'.
I made the comment about Fox because it is statistically likely that you watch it.
Based on what, you still cant produce a study showing bush voters are stupid, now you want to start digging another hole by saying statisticaly because I am conservative I watch fox?
I think single issue voters, in particular anti-abortionists are extremely easy to dupe, and I have been proven right. Dont be so naiive.
Yea like those pesky single issue voters who wanted to end slavery, they should have seen the bigger picture..
The second part deals with Corn in canada which primarily is a wind born crop. Wheay and Barley which are the major crops of Iraq are self fretilizing.
If the recount goes kerry's way (and I doubt they'll find 130K votes) he will be the president, Ill have no complaints about it (I voted 3rd Party). What I will love to see is the left embrace their guy and ignore the partisan crap they have been spewing for four years..
Now whos allergic to the dictionary..
But if you know that, how can you continue to claim that the USA is not a democracy?
Because the US government does not work directly or even directly through elected representation. Have you ever heard of the supreme court? are they elected? The bicameral legislature contains only one part that is democratic, the other is there to represent the states not the people. The preisdent is also there to represent the states not the people.
Or don't you think the people there govern through elected representatives?
Supreme Court, President, Senate these are bodys of the states not of the people.
The founders gave us a constitutional republic, and a federal government.
By the way
Republic: A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president. A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
Democracy: Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
We live in a republic, not a democracy..
Yes its not liker we are a federal republic right?
LA has runoffs, NE & ME split their votes, .....
We start by pointing out were not a democracy...
Way to sound like you know what you are talking about, too bad you dont.
1988 Winners: Richard Gephardt (D), Robert Dole (R)
1992 Winner: Tom Harkin (D)
So it has been a doxen years not 24, and in that time we had only one election w/out a sitting presidnet running for re-election.
All people of the US have to pay N3WBI3 1$ on the first of the year.
I wrote it, the whole thing 100% is it law? Oh wait Congress made it law..