finally gives the retards that swung this last election what they want:
Ahh one more line from the party of tolerance. We will tolerate different Skin color, orientation, religion, but damn you if you feel differently about us on Abortion you knuckle dragging mouth breather..
If the left keeps up this attitude they will hane the GOP a super majority in the senate by 2k8
reasons not to think for themselves about anything and a promise that their whacked out, ignorant beliefs will always take precedence over the facts.
So if someone believes abortion is murder they dont think for themselves but if they agree with you they.. umm think for themselves?
It's a matter that all the religious whackos and idiot Bush voters that are handing this country to a bunch of rich make-believe "conservatives"
I did not vote for Bush because he is not conservative and I dont buy into the two party system, if I had to vote for one of the two I would have voted for bush only because of the Supreme court appointments. Kerry would have applied a litmus test for abortion and to me thats like appointing judges who support slavery.
knuckle dragging chimps who hate gay people more than they like to think about real issues.
Yea I cant understand how one might mistake that for elitism? I mean if someone disagrees with you on abortion and gay rights they are chimps, its so clear..
But is a Zygote or a Fetus a human? if not why? A toddler is not a baby, an old man is not a baby yet killing them is not ok.
The fundimental question is when does human life begin? and when does this life have rights? Unless Abortion is approched from this perspective its useless to talk about it.
And our system is obviously better, because jane and her 48 friends can screw joe and his 50 friends.
How many members of Congress does it take to stop a bill from becoming law?
Diminishing the power of the executive branch is the only way to stop the wolf from eating the sheep, and that is what "checks and balances"
We agree there but I have not seen a president in my lifetime do that, and John Kerry would not have any more than Bush..
I am not advocating the abolition of the electoral college. It is a system. It's our system and it's worked pretty well for us, but you have not explained why it is inherently safer, fairer, or better that a popular vote, and I have not explained the opposite.
I will take a stab at it:
1) Because we are a federal Republic the president does not, and was never intended to represent the people. He was intended to represent the states. Given this how can the states have fair representation without the EC?
Congress has the authority. Did you think me ignorant? It may surprise you to know that we get better news coverage of US politics than you do. You completely ignored my point, which was that Bush lied to America and the world and duped his own congress into voting for (what they thought was a justified) war
No, Bush requested the "authorizeation to use force" not a declaration of war. John Kerry and the democrats could have blocked it like they did judges. But being afraid for their political lives they sold out.
Do you deny this? Do you still think Bush and Kerry were equally responsibile even though Bush et al knew that there was no proof of WMD yet told everyone that they had proof? An answer would be appropriate.
I have never seen proof he did not know, only wild speculation. If John Kerry had not ignored his constitutional duty to control the military use of force we would not be in Iraq..
You are consistently ignoring my points and concentrating on your own little subset, perhaps because Fox (or your religious leader) has only given you a certain number of prepackaged answers?
What makes you think I voted for Bush or watch Fox?
If if if, if
Way to ignore it... You can accuse people of being single isue voters and zealot because you disagree with them and then try to turn it on its head. YOu dont agree with someone when they consider something Murder and becuase you disagree with them you peg them zealots and ignorent single issue voters...
BTW where are the survey results showing Republicans and Conservatives are less informed than Liberals and Democrats?
How "domestic" do you want the issues? Why would there be a difference?
I am not the point in this. There are domestic issues and International issues. Just because you find Domestic unimportant does not mean they are not.
Why did you put the "black" in "black church" for Kerry, but not for Bush?
Because Kerry/Gore/Clinton use Black Churches to solidify the Black vote. They are specificly using a christian institution for a secular political gain. I Should have left that off, but seeing Clinton speak at a church when he did not even have his marrage inorder made me want to vomit.
I guess that depends upon what you believe the "place" for those courts are.
Umm making law from teh bench, given the constitution unless a state specifically outlaws Homosexual marrage they would have to respect the Mass courts ruleing. Courts are pusing a social agenda on the people, thats not their place.
For most people, their politics and religion are not based upon a rational examination of the material. They believe what they were taught to believe and when someone challenges that belief, they get motivated.
Speaking of examining things, do you have links showing all those ignorent hicks in the midwest know nothing about the issues?
In case you hadn't noticed the Bush administration tricked America (and most of the rest of the world) into believing that Saddam had WMD.
Well... yes. I also think I'm a little more worldly. In case you hadn't noticed the Bush administration tricked America (and most of the rest of the world) into believing that Saddam had WMD.
Than answer the question, who has the authority to declare war in the United states?
When they couldnt find any, they lied to the people (Kerry included) - who believed them. It was from THAT time that Kerry 'did' the war.
Kerrys vote was a cowardly one (and BTW Kerry and Clinton *ALSO* believed that Iraq had WMD's and used that as an excuse to bomb Iraq in 1998 w/out massive protest from the left). If Kerry had voted for a declariation of war and then played the 'I was lied to excuse' I might give him some slack. Kerry and Bush ignored their constitutional duties and neither deserves an office.
What about the death penalty? As far as I can recall Jesus wasn't really a fan ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"). I could go on and on...
I am against the death penalty, and I could just as easily point out that Liberal humanist are ok with killing unborn babies but dont want to kill a spotted owl or a mass murderer.
GWB used abortion as an issue because most anti-abortionists are such zealots that they vote based on that single issue.
See you dont understand their point of view. If John Kerry was 100% with you on every issue except he wanted to give mothers the right to kill a four year old kid, or re-institute slavery would you vote for him? does that make you a single issue voter?
And mayeb, just maybe if the founders put a democracy in place you might have a point. Were are a Federal Republic.
Since we no longer have slave owners, it's kind of moot to continue having the Electoral College.
Except that we are a Federal Republic
If you read the Federalist Papers, you'll discover that the founding fathers weren't real keen on giving Joe Schmoe a vote
Yes becuase of joe and 50 of his freinds decide to screw jane and 48 of her friends out of something, in a democracy they can. So instead they built a Represenative system with chekcs and balances.
The point of a Democracy is that the majority of the people get to determine things.
As Franklin said "Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on whats for Dinner"
If you do anything to dilute the power of the majority (Electoral College, Aparthied, for example), then you're not living in a Democracy.
Oh nevermind you do get it, we are not a democracy we are a Democratic Republic. Now here is one to wrap your head around True Democracy is like True Communism, it cant exist. True Democracy would entail every person voting on everything that would happen. Can you imagine election day, every day for things like peanut subsidies? Without a slave population (like that of ancient Athens) the citizens do not have the time to vote on every issue..
You can argue all you want about increasing the power of rural voters, but that still doesn't mean it's right -- or that it's a democracy.
It also does not mean its wrong, and yes we are not a democracy...
Senators weren't directly elected by the people until the 1920's. Things can, do, and should change.
Yup and if you want to trash the EC have fun because at least 35-40 States stand to lose power if you do. Electing senators did not affect the states (we are a federal republic) balance of power, traching the EC does.
People with No High school were more likely to vote for Kerry, and those with Post Graduate Degrees were more likely to vote for Kerry.
People with a HS Diploma, Some College, or a College Degree were more likely to vote for Bush.
Also, along a different line, Bush supporters were vastly more likely to be grossly misinformed about key facts involving terrorism, the war in Iraq, and the positions of both candidates.
And where would you get this?
In numerous surveys/studies I saw data
I would like to see links, its not like the studies sample size, margin of error or over all method are important right?
1) A poor relationship between the electorate and the facts at issue in the election.
Based on what? even if you can back up your above statements you have only shown less knowledge of world events and issues, not domestic ones.
2) The tremendous political engine of the evangelical Christian population in the midwest.
Remember Kids Clinton/Gore/Kerry in a black church in an election year is outreach. Bush in a chuch evil republican machine.
Yea the evangelical Christians did come out in huge numbers, perhaps it might be more important to ask why. How about courts acting out of place, evangelicals might just realize the current balance is not quite enough. The Democrats tried to scare up the vote by pointing out all the supreme court judges who wont make it much longer. It worked, the American people got it into their heads that 2, maybe 3 Appointments will be made in the next four years.
The problem for the Democrats is at the same time they ran around saying they will only appoint judges who a pro-abortion, and buy into the Gay rights movement. That, the Mass supreme court, and the idiot mayor of SF brought out the Christian vote more effectively than the Republicans could have ever done.
While that may be true I have no issue with people believing what they want to as long as they don't try to force it on me.
Yea its not like you said
I guess this could factor into intelligence as well, as it seems the smarter in general you are less likely you are to believe in God or other religious tokens/aspects.
Yea you have no issues with the gun toating inbread bible thumping morons so long as they leave you alone..
Sorry I didnt realize that killing INNOCENT CIVILLIANS from another country in an ILLEGAL war was ok, are you saying this is ok? I am assuming you think it is (no doubt in 'revenge' for 9/11 - which was funded, organised and executed primarily by Saudis)
And what have I said to give you that impression? I do think that a nation violating the terms of a cease fire and plotting to kill an ex-president. Now Bush did the war all wrong and so did Kerry (voted for the war).
BTW nice try to ditch the question, if you thought that life started at conception could you understand why people make it such an issue.
Really? I thought it was Bush, Wolfowitz et al? With this statement you are just highlighting your lack of understanding of what I assume is your OWN country (thankfully it is not mine)
Really, you think you understand the US Government more than me... Answer this: who has to declare war? Ill give you a hint John Kerry is a member and George Bush is not. After you figure out that one go look up how John Kerry voted.
Nobody has given a reason TO vote for bush.: I like the tax Cuts, I dont like Partial Birth Abortion, I like School vouters, I like the Idea of Reforming the Social Security System, I dont like the Idea of a "global test" for the use of US force, I like the second Amendment.
Nobody has offered a factual reason as to why Kerry could possibly be worse than bush, or even acknowledged the known facts about Bush.: Kerry wants to raise Taxes, Kerry voted against banning Partial Birth Abortion, Kerry does not want school vouters, Kerry wont fix Social Security, Kerry likes the idea of a "Global Test", kerry wants to restrict our second amendment rights.
Now reasons whay I did not vote for either: Kerry and Bush have no respect for the bounds or procedure placed on the Government by the constitution.
And for every thoughtful democrat there are two convincing people that republics are boogymen who want to starve kids and kill minorities.
To see the utter bile coming twords Bush for eight years from democrats was very educating and turned me off to anyone they might have put up. Its not enough to call Bush wrong (I would listen to that because I agree with that), no we need to compare him to hitler demonize him because he has different political views than us. Michael Moore became a God to the democrats and in doing so cost Kerry the Eleciton. I voted third party because Bush and Kerry were wrong.
Yes because its great to screw over some people to make life easy for others. The income tax was initially *only* aimed at the top wage earners, eventually it will work its way down.
We're going to dismantle abortions. As an earlier crony of ours Adolf Hitler said, it's time a woman learned her body does not belong to her but to the STATE.
Adlof Hitler was also (Like Kerry) for strict state Gun Controll, so I guess Gun Controll is a Nazi Issue as well right?
We're going to dismantle FDR New Deal pinko-communism. That means the entire social security and welfare system will be scrapped. We'll start slowly, so people don't see what we're doing, but when it's all over they will know, oh yeah they will know!
Or we could put our head in the sand like Kerry and the Democrats nver dare touch that third rail and watch it die in 20 years...
I could only hope she will Run, the Republicans could run a real conservative candidate and still win if Hillary runs. She wont play outside NY, CA, IL...
Sea ports in: VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, TX, AK, OH (Via the St Lawerence Seaway),
AirPorts in: Every other damn state in the Union I am willing to bet more come by air than come by sea.
The Geography Thing breaks teh way is does because of the major urban Areas (look at a county break down instead of the state). Urban areas go Blue and Rural Areas go Red..
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Ahh one more line from the party of tolerance. We will tolerate different Skin color, orientation, religion, but damn you if you feel differently about us on Abortion you knuckle dragging mouth breather..
If the left keeps up this attitude they will hane the GOP a super majority in the senate by 2k8
reasons not to think for themselves about anything and a promise that their whacked out, ignorant beliefs will always take precedence over the facts.
So if someone believes abortion is murder they dont think for themselves but if they agree with you they.. umm think for themselves?
It's a matter that all the religious whackos and idiot Bush voters that are handing this country to a bunch of rich make-believe "conservatives"
I did not vote for Bush because he is not conservative and I dont buy into the two party system, if I had to vote for one of the two I would have voted for bush only because of the Supreme court appointments. Kerry would have applied a litmus test for abortion and to me thats like appointing judges who support slavery.
knuckle dragging chimps who hate gay people more than they like to think about real issues.
Yea I cant understand how one might mistake that for elitism? I mean if someone disagrees with you on abortion and gay rights they are chimps, its so clear..
Wow this screw you if you dont agree with us you retard attitude must be why the DNC is taking the nation by storm..
The fundimental question is when does human life begin? and when does this life have rights? Unless Abortion is approched from this perspective its useless to talk about it.
How many members of Congress does it take to stop a bill from becoming law?
Diminishing the power of the executive branch is the only way to stop the wolf from eating the sheep, and that is what "checks and balances"
We agree there but I have not seen a president in my lifetime do that, and John Kerry would not have any more than Bush..
I am not advocating the abolition of the electoral college. It is a system. It's our system and it's worked pretty well for us, but you have not explained why it is inherently safer, fairer, or better that a popular vote, and I have not explained the opposite.
I will take a stab at it:
1) Because we are a federal Republic the president does not, and was never intended to represent the people. He was intended to represent the states. Given this how can the states have fair representation without the EC?
No, Bush requested the "authorizeation to use force" not a declaration of war. John Kerry and the democrats could have blocked it like they did judges. But being afraid for their political lives they sold out.
Do you deny this? Do you still think Bush and Kerry were equally responsibile even though Bush et al knew that there was no proof of WMD yet told everyone that they had proof? An answer would be appropriate.
I have never seen proof he did not know, only wild speculation. If John Kerry had not ignored his constitutional duty to control the military use of force we would not be in Iraq..
You are consistently ignoring my points and concentrating on your own little subset, perhaps because Fox (or your religious leader) has only given you a certain number of prepackaged answers?
What makes you think I voted for Bush or watch Fox?
If if if, if
Way to ignore it... You can accuse people of being single isue voters and zealot because you disagree with them and then try to turn it on its head. YOu dont agree with someone when they consider something Murder and becuase you disagree with them you peg them zealots and ignorent single issue voters...
BTW where are the survey results showing Republicans and Conservatives are less informed than Liberals and Democrats?
Yea, I can not begin to understand what state officials thought buying products with no voting trail was a good idea..
Ask and it shall be yours
How "domestic" do you want the issues? Why would there be a difference?
I am not the point in this. There are domestic issues and International issues. Just because you find Domestic unimportant does not mean they are not.
Why did you put the "black" in "black church" for Kerry, but not for Bush?
Because Kerry/Gore/Clinton use Black Churches to solidify the Black vote. They are specificly using a christian institution for a secular political gain. I Should have left that off, but seeing Clinton speak at a church when he did not even have his marrage inorder made me want to vomit.
I guess that depends upon what you believe the "place" for those courts are.
Umm making law from teh bench, given the constitution unless a state specifically outlaws Homosexual marrage they would have to respect the Mass courts ruleing. Courts are pusing a social agenda on the people, thats not their place.
For most people, their politics and religion are not based upon a rational examination of the material. They believe what they were taught to believe and when someone challenges that belief, they get motivated.
Speaking of examining things, do you have links showing all those ignorent hicks in the midwest know nothing about the issues?
Well... yes. I also think I'm a little more worldly. In case you hadn't noticed the Bush administration tricked America (and most of the rest of the world) into believing that Saddam had WMD.
Than answer the question, who has the authority to declare war in the United states?
When they couldnt find any, they lied to the people (Kerry included) - who believed them. It was from THAT time that Kerry 'did' the war.
Kerrys vote was a cowardly one (and BTW Kerry and Clinton *ALSO* believed that Iraq had WMD's and used that as an excuse to bomb Iraq in 1998 w/out massive protest from the left). If Kerry had voted for a declariation of war and then played the 'I was lied to excuse' I might give him some slack. Kerry and Bush ignored their constitutional duties and neither deserves an office.
What about the death penalty? As far as I can recall Jesus wasn't really a fan ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"). I could go on and on...
I am against the death penalty, and I could just as easily point out that Liberal humanist are ok with killing unborn babies but dont want to kill a spotted owl or a mass murderer.
GWB used abortion as an issue because most anti-abortionists are such zealots that they vote based on that single issue.
See you dont understand their point of view. If John Kerry was 100% with you on every issue except he wanted to give mothers the right to kill a four year old kid, or re-institute slavery would you vote for him? does that make you a single issue voter?
And mayeb, just maybe if the founders put a democracy in place you might have a point. Were are a Federal Republic.
Since we no longer have slave owners, it's kind of moot to continue having the Electoral College.
Except that we are a Federal Republic
If you read the Federalist Papers, you'll discover that the founding fathers weren't real keen on giving Joe Schmoe a vote
Yes becuase of joe and 50 of his freinds decide to screw jane and 48 of her friends out of something, in a democracy they can. So instead they built a Represenative system with chekcs and balances.
The point of a Democracy is that the majority of the people get to determine things.
As Franklin said "Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on whats for Dinner"
If you do anything to dilute the power of the majority (Electoral College, Aparthied, for example), then you're not living in a Democracy.
Oh nevermind you do get it, we are not a democracy we are a Democratic Republic. Now here is one to wrap your head around True Democracy is like True Communism, it cant exist. True Democracy would entail every person voting on everything that would happen. Can you imagine election day, every day for things like peanut subsidies? Without a slave population (like that of ancient Athens) the citizens do not have the time to vote on every issue..
You can argue all you want about increasing the power of rural voters, but that still doesn't mean it's right -- or that it's a democracy.
It also does not mean its wrong, and yes we are not a democracy...
Senators weren't directly elected by the people until the 1920's. Things can, do, and should change.
Yup and if you want to trash the EC have fun because at least 35-40 States stand to lose power if you do. Electing senators did not affect the states (we are a federal republic) balance of power, traching the EC does.
People with No High school were more likely to vote for Kerry, and those with Post Graduate Degrees were more likely to vote for Kerry.
People with a HS Diploma, Some College, or a College Degree were more likely to vote for Bush.
Also, along a different line, Bush supporters were vastly more likely to be grossly misinformed about key facts involving terrorism, the war in Iraq, and the positions of both candidates.
And where would you get this?
In numerous surveys/studies I saw data
I would like to see links, its not like the studies sample size, margin of error or over all method are important right?
1) A poor relationship between the electorate and the facts at issue in the election.
Based on what? even if you can back up your above statements you have only shown less knowledge of world events and issues, not domestic ones.
2) The tremendous political engine of the evangelical Christian population in the midwest.
Remember Kids Clinton/Gore/Kerry in a black church in an election year is outreach. Bush in a chuch evil republican machine.
Yea the evangelical Christians did come out in huge numbers, perhaps it might be more important to ask why. How about courts acting out of place, evangelicals might just realize the current balance is not quite enough. The Democrats tried to scare up the vote by pointing out all the supreme court judges who wont make it much longer. It worked, the American people got it into their heads that 2, maybe 3 Appointments will be made in the next four years.
The problem for the Democrats is at the same time they ran around saying they will only appoint judges who a pro-abortion, and buy into the Gay rights movement. That, the Mass supreme court, and the idiot mayor of SF brought out the Christian vote more effectively than the Republicans could have ever done.
Yea I mean those morons probably also buy into Internet Hoaxes and pass them off as proof that they are correct..
Yea its not like you said
I guess this could factor into intelligence as well, as it seems the smarter in general you are less likely you are to believe in God or other religious tokens/aspects.
Yea you have no issues with the gun toating inbread bible thumping morons so long as they leave you alone..
But that's not "fair" to the poor millionaire - I mean, he's struggling every bit as much as I am, in the face of Big Business.
Yup that evil boat owning SOB who provides people with jobs, punish him. Make it less attractive for people to start or invest in businesses..
And what have I said to give you that impression? I do think that a nation violating the terms of a cease fire and plotting to kill an ex-president. Now Bush did the war all wrong and so did Kerry (voted for the war).
BTW nice try to ditch the question, if you thought that life started at conception could you understand why people make it such an issue.
Really? I thought it was Bush, Wolfowitz et al? With this statement you are just highlighting your lack of understanding of what I assume is your OWN country (thankfully it is not mine)
Really, you think you understand the US Government more than me... Answer this: who has to declare war? Ill give you a hint John Kerry is a member and George Bush is not. After you figure out that one go look up how John Kerry voted.
I bet you 50$ that GWB will not win in 2008, we will get someone different..
Of the four men (Edwards, Kerry, Cheney, Bush) Bush has the least amount of money..
Nobody has offered a factual reason as to why Kerry could possibly be worse than bush, or even acknowledged the known facts about Bush.: Kerry wants to raise Taxes, Kerry voted against banning Partial Birth Abortion, Kerry does not want school vouters, Kerry wont fix Social Security, Kerry likes the idea of a "Global Test", kerry wants to restrict our second amendment rights.
Now reasons whay I did not vote for either: Kerry and Bush have no respect for the bounds or procedure placed on the Government by the constitution.
You may not agree but those are reasons..
To see the utter bile coming twords Bush for eight years from democrats was very educating and turned me off to anyone they might have put up. Its not enough to call Bush wrong (I would listen to that because I agree with that), no we need to compare him to hitler demonize him because he has different political views than us. Michael Moore became a God to the democrats and in doing so cost Kerry the Eleciton. I voted third party because Bush and Kerry were wrong.
Yes because its great to screw over some people to make life easy for others. The income tax was initially *only* aimed at the top wage earners, eventually it will work its way down.
Adlof Hitler was also (Like Kerry) for strict state Gun Controll, so I guess Gun Controll is a Nazi Issue as well right?
We're going to dismantle FDR New Deal pinko-communism. That means the entire social security and welfare system will be scrapped. We'll start slowly, so people don't see what we're doing, but when it's all over they will know, oh yeah they will know!
Or we could put our head in the sand like Kerry and the Democrats nver dare touch that third rail and watch it die in 20 years...
1) He knows he could not win
2) For health Reasons
I could only hope she will Run, the Republicans could run a real conservative candidate and still win if Hillary runs. She wont play outside NY, CA, IL...
Sea ports in: VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, TX, AK, OH (Via the St Lawerence Seaway),
AirPorts in: Every other damn state in the Union I am willing to bet more come by air than come by sea.
The Geography Thing breaks teh way is does because of the major urban Areas (look at a county break down instead of the state). Urban areas go Blue and Rural Areas go Red..
Very informative I (and I am sure many people here, especially those from Europe) dont know squat about the ACT's
Yes, I have no problem with electronic voting but there needs to be a papertrail..