Dont balme this on 'greedy corporate america', why should they not be making a profit? when you go to work do you only ask for enough to cover your bills or do you try to make as much as you can.
Are you happy if your boss gives you twice the work at the same pay? why then should they be happy providing twice the service at the same pay..
Thats actually a pretty good bet, I know many people has a dreaming of no omre ISP's a 'user-run' internet but that would be a disaster, A good boet would be to replace the ISP's (Middle men) with community (but not government) groups. The idea of getting a school to host a t3 and shre out with its neighborhood is pretty cool.
For something like this to work the average user has to do alot of evolving. As we saw with the warchalking article last week there is a good amount of room for someone to try and abuse your network. In the case of most war-chalkers its harmless but there are occasions when it would not be.
I really like the Linksys Wireless Routers/Firewalls, you can set up a dhcp reservation list by MAC address so if you want to share with your neighbors you can get their mac and let them in. things like that combined with keeping track of security notices, and basic security masures could make such a network as secure as your average broadband connection.
I dont think so, you see a big debate about capital punishment today, yet in the time of the founding fathers it was legal.
I dont think the Founding fathers could realize that speech could be that offending because they had not concept of needing an individule to actually do something to present it to the public. In their time one could paint or write offensive stuff without actullay doing that to a kid...
Yes you/I can say that because we think stealing is wrong, the people here saying its ok to steal have imho no right to complain about any security measures people take for their IP..
The one mistake libertarians sometimes make that annoys me (and hence why I am not one of them) is their refusal to see the reason Our Supreme Court is as powerful as Our Congress and President is so that teh intent of the laws can be weighed out. I very much thought the founding fathers considered people taking pictures of kids and posting them for the world..
Dont really know how to take this one, If its a domestice site it needs to be shut down. If its not domestic I am not really sure what to do. I do believe in freedom of speech, and even very offensive sick speech.
the problem is that KP damages kids for life. Though the implication of this are not that big because this is at the state level (as it should be).
I would expect a court case soon to see if this confilct with the first amendment, if not i clearly falls under the 10th..
And your arguing me with something I agree with, you should protect your netwrok. My origional post was respoinding to the attitude some people have that its ok to steal if we can. Many of these people are the first to scream if DVD/CD's are made copy protected..
I am not saying that the sysadmin should not be booted out the door for no locking down has LAN/WAN, but that does not mean that taking their bandwidth is OK, its not, its friggen stealing.
Blaming the company is absolutly pathetic, lame as hell. Its not for you to say 'I can take their bandwidth because its not locked down'. Ill clear something up for you, If you walk by my can and I forget to lock the door I am not saying its OK for you to use! If a guad falls asleep at a store its NOT, say it with me, NOT ok to shoplift, and if the head of my neighbord watch is on vacation please dont start a crime spree.
No a better analogy would be going into the stadium and sitting in an empty seat (you are using some of the stadium capacity). When you steal cable or network access you are stealing some of their network capacity.
Justify it to yourself however you want to its still stealing...
Happens all the time (I am refering to tv not broadband) Many houses (such as rental properties) are connected to cable lines from previous people. You can crack open the box on the side of the house, play with the filter elements and allow the cable signal to pass through.
Sreiously lets look at this. We piss and moan every time someone equated the Open Source culture with stealing, the RIAA and the MPAA call us theives (many of us are) and try to protect what they consider to be their IP. They go way to far, we cry bloddy hell about free speech, and point out that just becaus esomeone steals does not mean you restrict the right of someone who obeys the law
Now something like this Nokia article comes along and what do we do:
1) Play the 133t card 'Well if their network is that insecure they deserv to have bandwidth stolen
2) Play the Word game '***TECHNICALLY** its not stealing because of x,y,z'
3) Play the They can afford it card 'Well Nokia charges too much so they cant complain'
Its pathetic and its beneath us, if we dont want to be preceived as theivs lets not act like them..
Excuse me who are you to decide if your depriving them of service? Many companies use a great deal of their bandwidth.. If I walk into a bank and steal 50 dollars of 500k in their guess what... Im still stealing..
Fits just great, if I go rob a bank but dont take all of their money I dont fit in this definition "It must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possission of hte theif".
Now when someone uses a wireless network they are in complete possesion of some of my bandwidth for a time. Stealing bandwidth is unlawful, and they are directing resources away from my servers. Now the chalking itself is more like helping the theif.
Try to justify it to yourselves however you want staeling is stealing, no matter how poor the security you steal from, and no matter how much the person you steal from has an abundance of what you steal..
Our last president attacked the Yugo's not becaus eof their strenght but because he had to admint "I *DID* have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinski"
While I say if the inspectors are there, tommorow, and can go anywhere they want (when they want) dont attack. I doubt this is really the case, there are U@ photographs from the last batch of inspectors showing truckload of equipment being moved hours before UN inspectors show up. Iraq is not holding up to its end of the bargin to end the 1991 Gulf war..
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NEver heard of them (like the name says im a n3wbi3) do you have any links??
ITs not just that, most BB providers will not give a static IP..
Are you happy if your boss gives you twice the work at the same pay? why then should they be happy providing twice the service at the same pay..
Thats actually a pretty good bet, I know many people has a dreaming of no omre ISP's a 'user-run' internet but that would be a disaster, A good boet would be to replace the ISP's (Middle men) with community (but not government) groups. The idea of getting a school to host a t3 and shre out with its neighborhood is pretty cool.
I really like the Linksys Wireless Routers/Firewalls, you can set up a dhcp reservation list by MAC address so if you want to share with your neighbors you can get their mac and let them in. things like that combined with keeping track of security notices, and basic security masures could make such a network as secure as your average broadband connection.
I dont think the Founding fathers could realize that speech could be that offending because they had not concept of needing an individule to actually do something to present it to the public. In their time one could paint or write offensive stuff without actullay doing that to a kid...
Yes you/I can say that because we think stealing is wrong, the people here saying its ok to steal have imho no right to complain about any security measures people take for their IP..
The one mistake libertarians sometimes make that annoys me (and hence why I am not one of them) is their refusal to see the reason Our Supreme Court is as powerful as Our Congress and President is so that teh intent of the laws can be weighed out. I very much thought the founding fathers considered people taking pictures of kids and posting them for the world..
the problem is that KP damages kids for life. Though the implication of this are not that big because this is at the state level (as it should be).
I would expect a court case soon to see if this confilct with the first amendment, if not i clearly falls under the 10th..
And your arguing me with something I agree with, you should protect your netwrok. My origional post was respoinding to the attitude some people have that its ok to steal if we can. Many of these people are the first to scream if DVD/CD's are made copy protected..
Blaming the company is absolutly pathetic, lame as hell. Its not for you to say 'I can take their bandwidth because its not locked down'. Ill clear something up for you, If you walk by my can and I forget to lock the door I am not saying its OK for you to use! If a guad falls asleep at a store its NOT, say it with me, NOT ok to shoplift, and if the head of my neighbord watch is on vacation please dont start a crime spree.
I am sure M$ will do whatever they can to make this obscure, but the features added are being added more for the OEM's than for the home user.
And even if it was it would still be stealing!
But if these kids are dumb enough to confuse the two already it may be too much for them to seperate nots and test or
Justify it to yourself however you want to its still stealing...
Happens all the time (I am refering to tv not broadband) Many houses (such as rental properties) are connected to cable lines from previous people. You can crack open the box on the side of the house, play with the filter elements and allow the cable signal to pass through.
My post was not a troll, everyone here sounds like a kid trying to justify why he/she did something wrong..
This is theft..
I was not saying we could do this today, I was just saying that is is possable..
Now something like this Nokia article comes along and what do we do:
1) Play the 133t card 'Well if their network is that insecure they deserv to have bandwidth stolen
2) Play the Word game '***TECHNICALLY** its not stealing because of x,y,z'
3) Play the They can afford it card 'Well Nokia charges too much so they cant complain'
Its pathetic and its beneath us, if we dont want to be preceived as theivs lets not act like them..
Sorry for the rant, my 2cents..
Excuse me who are you to decide if your depriving them of service? Many companies use a great deal of their bandwidth.. If I walk into a bank and steal 50 dollars of 500k in their guess what... Im still stealing..
Stupid Class warfare mentality, you have a right not to use their service, you do not have a right to steal someone elses service...
Stealing cable is theft by law, its no different.. If I steal cable from my $Provider, you dont lose your service do you? Whay is it theft??
Now when someone uses a wireless network they are in complete possesion of some of my bandwidth for a time. Stealing bandwidth is unlawful, and they are directing resources away from my servers. Now the chalking itself is more like helping the theif.
Try to justify it to yourselves however you want staeling is stealing, no matter how poor the security you steal from, and no matter how much the person you steal from has an abundance of what you steal..
While I say if the inspectors are there, tommorow, and can go anywhere they want (when they want) dont attack. I doubt this is really the case, there are U@ photographs from the last batch of inspectors showing truckload of equipment being moved hours before UN inspectors show up. Iraq is not holding up to its end of the bargin to end the 1991 Gulf war..