a basic freebsd jailed server or UML server for $20/month, log into text mode brower via ssh, assuming your using very slow connection. For broadband, could even run remote X11 brower via ssh -X
I had to do benchmark for client with 4-way DL 5800g2 with 2 hyperthreaded CPU and 16GB ram against 24 CPU 6800 attached to same SAN - 63,000 TPS for SUn and 148,000 TPS for HP. Linux x86 machines not "big iron" because you can't CPU/IO partition them, and can't hook them up to as many things - the big Sun boxes will kick butt in that regard, but I don't see them typically being used that way at my clients.
hah, maybe 5 years ago it was easy to convince management to buy Sun. Not anymore, paying twice the price for half the performance, with dreadful service/maintenance costs? No, mangement wants more Linux, more migrations to Linux, even for proprietary software like Oracle. What with 4 and 8 way Intel boxes whooping the ass of 24-way UltraSparc, it's a no-brainer.
which is to say, Sun has released the source code for monitoring the kernel that they *still* haven't released the source for yet. This is therefore as useful to you and anyone else as a bicycle for a clam. The of this purpose is to lure open source developers from spending their free time making free software into working for Sun for free. I used to love Sun and SunOS and Solaris, but now I think they should go to hell, what with their infusing money into SCO, getting in bed with Microsoft, spreading FUD about Linux when the SCO lawsuit was announced, peddling underpowered overpriced hardware, setting computer science back 10 years with that resource pig java & j2ee architecture, etc. etc.
I'm glad the discussion has turned to something of true importance. If one has a high temperature oven, then the best way to make a chicago style pizza is with the sauce on top, but the typical home oven is not up to the task. For a New York style, the question is moot, since the cheese must be on top. They make pizza in Montreal?
let's say I have 1 object replicated in an infinite number of universes, with a 100% probably of opening a wormhole into your universe and an infinite number of others, now make it 2......
not really, a geek propogates gravity waves when he jiggles his pot belly. Now pardon me while I jiggle out the contents of the Pioneer spacecraft gold disc.
I'm having a nice day, I serve 4 domains with FreeBSD, and one startup venture with Linux. In the context of a graphical login, a runlevel might be nice if other services are also desired along with font server & X, if not then BSD way easier. There's more to which OS is "superior" to a given application than a bunch of silly shell scripts that are invoked during boot; I could give any Linux distro a FreeBSD type rc structure in probably 4 hours if that's what I thought made or broke the use of Linux over FreeBSD. My only point about rc.conf in FreeBSD is that not all services are controlled there, one does have to be familiar with what's set up on the machine. It sounds like you are the troll, you don't like the opinion and observations of someone who uses/likes more OS than just your pet one. I even find my Solaris and IRIX box better at some things than my favorite Linux distro or *BSD; I've made $$$ on all of them.
well, in Linux I can switch a particular init.d file in or out of all runlevels with a single command, so I don't have to worry like in FreeBSD whether rc.conf will handle the job or not (it does control most but not all). The other thing we might as well mention for anyone wanting to give freebsd a spin is that in/etc/ttys controls whether one gets a graphical login or not (there's your "runlevel 5", haha).
whether the ports "just work" depends on which ones you use; see the discussion lists for all kinds of issues still being worked out for freebsd 5.3 Release. Some of the Ruby stuff is broken as well as X.Org stuff needing cleanup, I can tell you.
heh, I only am interesting in the scientific side of what ancient civilizations did - some did great observations of outer space, but of course used these to support their baloney religions. We actually do the same thing, picking one of various scientific models to promote various social, political, religious and economic agendas.
some comments on your interesting points:
1. bsd makes a lousy laptop desktop, for sure. I've spent days trying to iron issues on my thinkpad because I really do love FreeBSD, but finally just put in a linux distro. It took less than two hours to get everything working wonderfully. For a workstation, BSD is great and I enjoy the faster boot times.
2. making SMP finer grained is still in the works for both Linux and FreeBSD. For dual processor the performance hit isn't such a big deal with either OS.
3. mindshare - yes Linux rules this for desktop type apps, the major server side projects run on either, unless you're talking about clustering/parallel computing.
4. rc scripts actually a little more complicated in FreeBSD, they're in more places, but less than half hour to learn. boot process of FreeBSD is weird too. Package and ports are trickier for sure in FreeBSD
5. freebsd could learn a few things from yum
6. yes, but I find I buy/configure machines with target OS in mind, so I don't have challenges unless i want them.
ext2/3 can choke at times because the disks aren't always in consistent state as with FreeBSD's UFS. You have to deal with a large amount of servers to finally get to the point where you see bad filesystem errors, but I've had them a couple of times. Also, with ReiserFS I've had weird permissions issues (always in/var paritition) where even root couldn't access/delete a file. Now the recent XFS seems to be very solid, so maybe over time with that I'll grant FreeBSD's advantage of very robust filesystem maybe isn't true anymore.
that's fine, there's no other way people will be motivated to get into a sensible long-term energy supply than to use up the fossil fuels. The sun is where it's at!
the looping constructs aren't really built in, they're the result of a method being able to receive a block of code, and the ability to execute that code with closure & with arguments from within the method. In Ruby I can put code (with closure) into proc object and call later
who's talking about abuse? this is painless disposal of *trespassing vermin* the sanitary condition of the food supply of a *human being*. I can assure you that normal humans do this all the time, and that the proper place for a house pet is in the house, not running wild, as the anti-cruelty society will tell you.
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a basic freebsd jailed server or UML server for $20 /month, log into text mode brower via ssh, assuming your using very slow connection. For broadband, could even run remote X11 brower via ssh -X
...or the battle scenes in the Book of the Revelation (or Apocolypse) scenario.
I had to do benchmark for client with 4-way DL 5800g2 with 2 hyperthreaded CPU and 16GB ram against 24 CPU 6800 attached to same SAN - 63,000 TPS for SUn and 148,000 TPS for HP. Linux x86 machines not "big iron" because you can't CPU/IO partition them, and can't hook them up to as many things - the big Sun boxes will kick butt in that regard, but I don't see them typically being used that way at my clients.
8 way Xeon came out in 2001
hah, maybe 5 years ago it was easy to convince management to buy Sun. Not anymore, paying twice the price for half the performance, with dreadful service/maintenance costs? No, mangement wants more Linux, more migrations to Linux, even for proprietary software like Oracle. What with 4 and 8 way Intel boxes whooping the ass of 24-way UltraSparc, it's a no-brainer.
which is to say, Sun has released the source code for monitoring the kernel that they *still* haven't released the source for yet. This is therefore as useful to you and anyone else as a bicycle for a clam. The of this purpose is to lure open source developers from spending their free time making free software into working for Sun for free. I used to love Sun and SunOS and Solaris, but now I think they should go to hell, what with their infusing money into SCO, getting in bed with Microsoft, spreading FUD about Linux when the SCO lawsuit was announced, peddling underpowered overpriced hardware, setting computer science back 10 years with that resource pig java & j2ee architecture, etc. etc.
no, not years, this license is a new thing.
my collection of singing potatoes, who help me maintain my grip on reality, tells me there's no such thing as singing magnets.
and this is a bad thing because.....er, why?
I'm glad the discussion has turned to something of true importance. If one has a high temperature oven, then the best way to make a chicago style pizza is with the sauce on top, but the typical home oven is not up to the task. For a New York style, the question is moot, since the cheese must be on top. They make pizza in Montreal?
have to disagree with #2, a couple hot chicks used to ask for help with their science and math homework 8D
let's say I have 1 object replicated in an infinite number of universes, with a 100% probably of opening a wormhole into your universe and an infinite number of others, now make it 2......
not really, a geek propogates gravity waves when he jiggles his pot belly. Now pardon me while I jiggle out the contents of the Pioneer spacecraft gold disc.
the ultimate test would be to print the girl from "weird science", preferably with a glandular disorder causing nymphomania
yes, the crushed remains of what was once a beautiful mini mac will pour out of the box impregnated with UPS truck tire treads
I'm having a nice day, I serve 4 domains with FreeBSD, and one startup venture with Linux. In the context of a graphical login, a runlevel might be nice if other services are also desired along with font server & X, if not then BSD way easier. There's more to which OS is "superior" to a given application than a bunch of silly shell scripts that are invoked during boot; I could give any Linux distro a FreeBSD type rc structure in probably 4 hours if that's what I thought made or broke the use of Linux over FreeBSD. My only point about rc.conf in FreeBSD is that not all services are controlled there, one does have to be familiar with what's set up on the machine. It sounds like you are the troll, you don't like the opinion and observations of someone who uses/likes more OS than just your pet one. I even find my Solaris and IRIX box better at some things than my favorite Linux distro or *BSD; I've made $$$ on all of them.
well, in Linux I can switch a particular init.d file in or out of all runlevels with a single command, so I don't have to worry like in FreeBSD whether rc.conf will handle the job or not (it does control most but not all). The other thing we might as well mention for anyone wanting to give freebsd a spin is that in /etc/ttys controls whether one gets a graphical login or not (there's your "runlevel 5", haha).
whether the ports "just work" depends on which ones you use; see the discussion lists for all kinds of issues still being worked out for freebsd 5.3 Release. Some of the Ruby stuff is broken as well as X.Org stuff needing cleanup, I can tell you.
heh, I only am interesting in the scientific side of what ancient civilizations did - some did great observations of outer space, but of course used these to support their baloney religions. We actually do the same thing, picking one of various scientific models to promote various social, political, religious and economic agendas.
some comments on your interesting points: /var paritition) where even root couldn't access/delete a file. Now the recent XFS seems to be very solid, so maybe over time with that I'll grant FreeBSD's advantage of very robust filesystem maybe isn't true anymore.
1. bsd makes a lousy laptop desktop, for sure. I've spent days trying to iron issues on my thinkpad because I really do love FreeBSD, but finally just put in a linux distro. It took less than two hours to get everything working wonderfully. For a workstation, BSD is great and I enjoy the faster boot times.
2. making SMP finer grained is still in the works for both Linux and FreeBSD. For dual processor the performance hit isn't such a big deal with either OS.
3. mindshare - yes Linux rules this for desktop type apps, the major server side projects run on either, unless you're talking about clustering/parallel computing.
4. rc scripts actually a little more complicated in FreeBSD, they're in more places, but less than half hour to learn. boot process of FreeBSD is weird too. Package and ports are trickier for sure in FreeBSD
5. freebsd could learn a few things from yum
6. yes, but I find I buy/configure machines with target OS in mind, so I don't have challenges unless i want them.
ext2/3 can choke at times because the disks aren't always in consistent state as with FreeBSD's UFS. You have to deal with a large amount of servers to finally get to the point where you see bad filesystem errors, but I've had them a couple of times. Also, with ReiserFS I've had weird permissions issues (always in
some ancients built equinox precession into their astrologies, like the Mayans.
And 200 years from now, Captain Dathon of the Tamarians will tell Picard: "Kjuib on slashdot, when i-for-one joke humored"
that's fine, there's no other way people will be motivated to get into a sensible long-term energy supply than to use up the fossil fuels. The sun is where it's at!
the looping constructs aren't really built in, they're the result of a method being able to receive a block of code, and the ability to execute that code with closure & with arguments from within the method. In Ruby I can put code (with closure) into proc object and call later
who's talking about abuse? this is painless disposal of *trespassing vermin* the sanitary condition of the food supply of a *human being*. I can assure you that normal humans do this all the time, and that the proper place for a house pet is in the house, not running wild, as the anti-cruelty society will tell you.