Oh shut the fuck up. 200 dollars my ass. I seriously am sick to fucking hell of "computar linux exparts" spouting such nonsense. Mod me down, call me a MSFT astoturfer or whatever. I absolutely hate intellectual dishonesty.
A Radeon 9200 is 36 dollars.
And no, you don't need it. Don't buy longhorn.
I don't know if you'd noticed, but you can't buy anything BUT a 3D card new these days. By the time longhorn is out, if you don't have a 3D card with PS2.0 support, that would make your PC about 5 years old. If you want the latest software, sometimes you have to upgrade.
I like the idea of using it for something other than games.
Yeah, a Radeon 9200 costs what, 36 dollars according to pricewatch.
THOSE BASTARDS!
I'm sure lots of people will switch to linux to save that 44 bucks. Even though they'll probably have to buy new wireless cards, modems, or whatever other miscellaneous hardware linux doesn't support.
Mac's already do this with a Radeon 9200, which retails at best buy for 80 bucks. Which means you can find 'em online for much less. Pricewatch lists them starting at 40. In a few years, you'll be looking at maybe a 20 dollar upgrade to your GeForce MX (actually if your computer is that far out of date by then, Longhorn probably won't be an option for you)
Why is it eye candy is so amazing and impressive if it's in OSX or KDE, but it's just bloat and a terrible violation of "your rights online" if Microsoft plans it for an OS that's at least two years away?
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The problem would be it took you >8 hours to install a web browser, desktop environment and office suite.
You can get a card today for ~80 bucks that fit the bill. Even PCI models, if you're that far out of the loop. By the time longhorn is released, they'll be commonplace.
Frankly, I can't wait to see this. All that GPU power of my 9800 is basically being wasted 99.99999999% of the time right now.
I can guarantee by the time the lawyer makes it to the courtroom, he's not focused on your case.
It's just a matter of finding the right buttons and pushing them over and over. If you think you've crossed a line and gone too far, that means you're just starting. Hell look at my posting history, see how many people I can get riled up just by dissing the iPod.
He'd either be fuming about what he can do to get back at me, or something else.
Whoever filed the charges against this guy was doing just that. He was focused on getting back at them. I pity his client, that's the guy who should be suing.
If you had to sit in said dumptruck for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, surely the seating would be a factor in your decision. You may even take a truck with a lesser payload, or weaker engine, because the cab is more comfortable.
If you're going to use a computer for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, surely the aesthetics and usability are going to be a factor in your decision.
Linux doesn't have to spend it's entire existence in the server room. Or maybe it does.
Yeah, but these guys show up every single day. They do this for a living.
Imagine some asshole outside the door to your place of work, making jokes about you every single day.
That type of shit has an effect. Teenagers commit suicide when they're treated like that at school.
I don't buy freedom of speech here.
. I've told Engineer Jokes to Engineers... should that count as Slander?
I don't know, it would be up to a judge and jury to decide. What if I was telling Jew jokes in front of a Synagogue? What if I was telling black jokes? Is that my freedom of speech?
Can I go to the elementary school and stand at the chain link fence and scream racial epiphets at minority kindergarteners? Freedom of speech, right? Ok, not racial, sexual, or even vulgar. I'll just stand there screaming at kids.
What the fuck ever. I'm sick of this lefty redefinition of freedom of speech. You're free to say whatever you want, but not WHEREVER and HOWEVER.
If you ever have to go to court for any reason, I'm going to show up and heckle your lawyer to the point he can't defend you properly. I can do it too. I'm the alpha asshole. I'll humiliate him until he goes home crying.
Does your right to a fair trial supercede my right to "freedom of speech"?
They'd been doing this for years. Every day they go to the courthouse and harrass the lawyers on their way in.
I don't feel sorry for them. If these two assholes stood outside the door to my office and heckled me every day, they'd be lucky to merely get arrested.
Despite what the extreme left would have you believe, there is such a thing as improper behaviour.
They were talking to a specific person, it was a specific person who levied the charges.
I just saw these two guys interviewed on MSNBC not a couple of hours ago. I missed the beginning of the interview, but it gradually became clear to me that they were there to cause shit, and found it.
They were all blathering about the fact that the cops wouldn't take them to the lawyer who levied the charges, as if that violated their "right to face their accuser", which AFAIK doesn't mean you get to get up in the guys face at the time of your arrest.
They came off like a couple of assholes, frankly. As much as I'd love to see this as a huge black eye to the joke of a legal system we have, I can't.
Not everyone has a backup server. For home use, I stand by mondo/mindi for system backup, and just copying data files to whatever medium is most handy (CD-R, DVD-R, External HDD, punchcard)
Anyone who discusses a backup solution, and doesn't bother to mention recovery, deserves to have people be hard on him.
It's an epidemic in IT. You don't know how many fucked up machines I've seen, with untested, unusable, absolutely useless backups.
Test your backup solution! Pull your live drive, swap in a blank one, and see if you can restore to where you were. If you can't, you aren't doing it right.
One time I was presented with a machine with a dead HDD, and a backup tape I was asked to restore. The tape was still shrinkwrapped. I fucking kid you not. They must have thought it backed up via osmosis? Even if that's what they thought, surely the plastic wrapping would prevent such osmosis.
Yes, I knew the law, and I understand the law, it's pretty common sense if you draw, say, a 1khz digital pulse, and then imagine sampling it at 1khz, you'd either get all ones or all 0's.
mondo/mindi is easy as pie, they have a little ncurses based wizard to walk you through. Mondo creates the ISOs, mindi creates a boot floppy image you can restore with (or use to make your ISO bootable).
AMANDA is a big networked tape backup solution, for big networked tape backup problems. I got a headache reading the docs, which told me it wasn't for me.
No, you don't use mondo/mindi to do a whole system and data image, just the system. That is, all your stuff in/etc,/bin,/usr. You backup the data elsewhere, or use another method (copy your pron collection to tape or external HDD).
When your computer's head a-splodes, you just boot the mondo disc, it rebuilds your system, and you go ahead and copy your data back on.
Like I said, I put everything but/home on a mondo backup. For my test gentoo "install every friggin thing there is just because" machine, it all fits on a single DVD. KDE, GNOME, OOo, SO, RTCW:ET... all of it.
It's like Norton Ghost in functionality, only slightly more flexible (since you can exclude paths).
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So what do unix users have to do with Windows?
Noone's threatening your Korn shell. Text mode isn't going anywhere. You can keep your CGA monitor. Relax.
Oh shut the fuck up. 200 dollars my ass. I seriously am sick to fucking hell of "computar linux exparts" spouting such nonsense. Mod me down, call me a MSFT astoturfer or whatever. I absolutely hate intellectual dishonesty.
A Radeon 9200 is 36 dollars.
And no, you don't need it. Don't buy longhorn.
I don't know if you'd noticed, but you can't buy anything BUT a 3D card new these days. By the time longhorn is out, if you don't have a 3D card with PS2.0 support, that would make your PC about 5 years old. If you want the latest software, sometimes you have to upgrade.
I like the idea of using it for something other than games.
Yeah, a Radeon 9200 costs what, 36 dollars according to pricewatch.
THOSE BASTARDS!
I'm sure lots of people will switch to linux to save that 44 bucks. Even though they'll probably have to buy new wireless cards, modems, or whatever other miscellaneous hardware linux doesn't support.
There already are. You don't need anything fancy.
Mac's already do this with a Radeon 9200, which retails at best buy for 80 bucks. Which means you can find 'em online for much less. Pricewatch lists them starting at 40. In a few years, you'll be looking at maybe a 20 dollar upgrade to your GeForce MX (actually if your computer is that far out of date by then, Longhorn probably won't be an option for you)
Why is it eye candy is so amazing and impressive if it's in OSX or KDE, but it's just bloat and a terrible violation of "your rights online" if Microsoft plans it for an OS that's at least two years away?
The problem would be it took you >8 hours to install a web browser, desktop environment and office suite.
You can get a card today for ~80 bucks that fit the bill. Even PCI models, if you're that far out of the loop. By the time longhorn is released, they'll be commonplace.
Frankly, I can't wait to see this. All that GPU power of my 9800 is basically being wasted 99.99999999% of the time right now.
That's fine.
I can guarantee by the time the lawyer makes it to the courtroom, he's not focused on your case.
It's just a matter of finding the right buttons and pushing them over and over. If you think you've crossed a line and gone too far, that means you're just starting. Hell look at my posting history, see how many people I can get riled up just by dissing the iPod.
He'd either be fuming about what he can do to get back at me, or something else.
Whoever filed the charges against this guy was doing just that. He was focused on getting back at them. I pity his client, that's the guy who should be suing.
If you had to sit in said dumptruck for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, surely the seating would be a factor in your decision. You may even take a truck with a lesser payload, or weaker engine, because the cab is more comfortable.
If you're going to use a computer for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, surely the aesthetics and usability are going to be a factor in your decision.
Linux doesn't have to spend it's entire existence in the server room. Or maybe it does.
Yeah, but these guys show up every single day. They do this for a living.
Imagine some asshole outside the door to your place of work, making jokes about you every single day.
That type of shit has an effect. Teenagers commit suicide when they're treated like that at school.
I don't buy freedom of speech here.
. I've told Engineer Jokes to Engineers... should that count as Slander?
I don't know, it would be up to a judge and jury to decide. What if I was telling Jew jokes in front of a Synagogue? What if I was telling black jokes? Is that my freedom of speech?
Can I go to the elementary school and stand at the chain link fence and scream racial epiphets at minority kindergarteners? Freedom of speech, right? Ok, not racial, sexual, or even vulgar. I'll just stand there screaming at kids.
What the fuck ever. I'm sick of this lefty redefinition of freedom of speech. You're free to say whatever you want, but not WHEREVER and HOWEVER.
If you ever have to go to court for any reason, I'm going to show up and heckle your lawyer to the point he can't defend you properly. I can do it too. I'm the alpha asshole. I'll humiliate him until he goes home crying.
Does your right to a fair trial supercede my right to "freedom of speech"?
They'd been doing this for years. Every day they go to the courthouse and harrass the lawyers on their way in.
I don't feel sorry for them. If these two assholes stood outside the door to my office and heckled me every day, they'd be lucky to merely get arrested.
Despite what the extreme left would have you believe, there is such a thing as improper behaviour.
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Thank you, I'd been trying to think of the other guys name for years.
PS: I just saw these two interviewed on MSNBC. They came off like a couple of assholes who went looking for trouble, so they can act all hard-done-by.
Nothing should take 10-20 hours to "install" on an end-user desktop.
What use would a progress bar be? You'd need a 40 foot wide screen to even see it moving.
They were talking to a specific person, it was a specific person who levied the charges.
I just saw these two guys interviewed on MSNBC not a couple of hours ago. I missed the beginning of the interview, but it gradually became clear to me that they were there to cause shit, and found it.
They were all blathering about the fact that the cops wouldn't take them to the lawyer who levied the charges, as if that violated their "right to face their accuser", which AFAIK doesn't mean you get to get up in the guys face at the time of your arrest.
They came off like a couple of assholes, frankly. As much as I'd love to see this as a huge black eye to the joke of a legal system we have, I can't.
Ever been in a modern dumptruck, or any other piece of machinery? It'll blow the doors off any lexus you ever sat in.
If I spent 200 large on a dump truck, damn fucking skippy I'd expect the cab to be decked out.
I never said it was hard. It just takes forever.
I meant source based distrobution, as opposed to putting out binaries. I wasn't talking about specific linux distros like Gentoo.
It's fine for geeks, but normal folk just want to install it and be using it 5 minutes later.
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Not everyone has a backup server. For home use, I stand by mondo/mindi for system backup, and just copying data files to whatever medium is most handy (CD-R, DVD-R, External HDD, punchcard)
Except you become one of the spammers everyone loathes.
Fuck you and your "free bullshit" marketing scams.
I pity you.
The final version will be out by the time you're done.
I once made the mistake of compiling KDE to "optimize" it for my system. Once.
As an aside.. KDE, Mozilla, OOo, are all good examples of the inherent problem with source-based distrobution.
Anyone who discusses a backup solution, and doesn't bother to mention recovery, deserves to have people be hard on him.
It's an epidemic in IT. You don't know how many fucked up machines I've seen, with untested, unusable, absolutely useless backups.
Test your backup solution! Pull your live drive, swap in a blank one, and see if you can restore to where you were. If you can't, you aren't doing it right.
One time I was presented with a machine with a dead HDD, and a backup tape I was asked to restore. The tape was still shrinkwrapped. I fucking kid you not. They must have thought it backed up via osmosis? Even if that's what they thought, surely the plastic wrapping would prevent such osmosis.
Oy vey
Yes, I knew the law, and I understand the law, it's pretty common sense if you draw, say, a 1khz digital pulse, and then imagine sampling it at 1khz, you'd either get all ones or all 0's.
I just forgot the guys name.
I'll forget it again in about 5 minutes.
Nope, people like you constantly berating me with how great all "indy" music is killed that genre too.
Some of it's probably good. A lot of it is just bozos making noise.
mondo/mindi is easy as pie, they have a little ncurses based wizard to walk you through. Mondo creates the ISOs, mindi creates a boot floppy image you can restore with (or use to make your ISO bootable).
AMANDA is a big networked tape backup solution, for big networked tape backup problems. I got a headache reading the docs, which told me it wasn't for me.
No, you don't use mondo/mindi to do a whole system and data image, just the system. That is, all your stuff in /etc, /bin, /usr. You backup the data elsewhere, or use another method (copy your pron collection to tape or external HDD).
/home on a mondo backup. For my test gentoo "install every friggin thing there is just because" machine, it all fits on a single DVD. KDE, GNOME, OOo, SO, RTCW:ET... all of it.
When your computer's head a-splodes, you just boot the mondo disc, it rebuilds your system, and you go ahead and copy your data back on.
Like I said, I put everything but
It's like Norton Ghost in functionality, only slightly more flexible (since you can exclude paths).