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KDE 3.4 goes Beta
wikinerd writes "KDE 3.4 has reached its beta testing phase. The KDE 3.4beta1 is codenamed 'Krokodile' and pre-compiled packages are already available for Slackware, but if you need to compile it by yourself first check its compilation requirements."
Re: the KDE 3.4 Compilation Requirements...
I would categorize the X Render Extension as recommended as opposed to optional. Aren't anti-aliased fonts a basic feature of any modern desktop environment?
Kall me when there's a release kandidate.
I'm looking forward to giving 3.4 a try. Why? Because on my modest hardware it seems like Qt has gotten faster over the past 2 years while GTK2 has gotten slower.
I pity you.
The final version will be out by the time you're done.
I once made the mistake of compiling KDE to "optimize" it for my system. Once.
As an aside.. KDE, Mozilla, OOo, are all good examples of the inherent problem with source-based distrobution.
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Are there any screenshots of this? What does it look like? Is it pretty? Does it have new features both usably, and visually?
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I was hoping for a release using Qt 4 - mmm, double buffering....
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I'll patiently wait
...because of that Snappy tune sweeping Germany?
just when you thought debian sarge was going to go stable some time this year...
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Pango is what makes GTK 2.x so slow even if you are not using anti-aliased fonts. Besides you can always use GTK 1.x if you want sheer speed. Or Xaw3D, heh.
Even some folks on Nekochan.net have managed to compile 3.3.x on SGI IRIX. Believe me, if you can get code to compile on SGI's overly-anal MIPSpro compiler, you can get it to compile ANYWHERE!
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Ditto for Mozilla. OOo is another story though
I'm actually most excited because this means that, in not too long, people will start really working on KDE 4.0. That's the release I want. 3.4 is a finalization of the 3's, really. It's got some nice cleanup of what's there and will run a little better, but almost all the features that were ever going into the 3's are already there.
But 4.0...oh, I can hardly wait...
What does 3.4 include? Features? bugfixes? etc?
http://saveie6.com/
Please post your silly "K" related threads here.
Does it use DBUS yet? Thats what im waiting for... better hardware response. I dont mean to complain, but everytime i try to unmount a usb drive, etc. my windows using friend makes snide remarks about Linux... its starting to drive me nuts. Usually im not running anything that should be accessing it either (the most used command on my computer is pkill -9 konqueror, lol).
Notice how the translations are larger than everything else combined ?
That I partially reflects the share number of languages available. It also shows how modular KDE's design is. I.e. You can strip out everything language dependent into a separate package without breaking the rest. (Yes, it compiles in English without the i18n package).
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
I don't see a pro debian slant to that site, only poking fun at gentoo zealots. In my opinion, there are four types of linux users. Gentoo zealots, Debian zealots, Linux zealots, and everyone else. You are obviously a Gentoo zealot because Gentoo zealtots think everyone who isn't a Gentoo zealot is a Debian zealot, because in your world there is only source vs rpm.
Say what you want about KDE, but after playing with 3.3, I finally made the switch from GNOME to KDE. I especially like the level of integration in between apps, the transparency settings for menus and applications, and KDevelop. Gnome is awesome too, especially 2.8, but KDE just seems to have more polish to it.
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Debian's auto-release script is hard-wired to a Brownian Motion Vector Plotter and a realy hot cup of tea. The release after next will be out sometime last year.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I can start a compile of kdelibs, kdebase, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdegraphics, and kdeoffice, on my modest XP 1800, let it run overnight, and I have a new desktop in the morning.
It is called *multitasking*. You can do other things with the computer while it is compiling you know.
That type of function has nothing at all todo with DBUS in its current state. You should be looking into hotplug. My stock Gentoo install, which I have hardly tweaked at all, automagically mounts and unmounts my USB drive, no problems whatsoever.
Don't download the pre-release marked "krakatoa"
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I don't even want to know what Gentoo zealots things of Fedora and Mandrake users (by which I mean those us with better things to do than compile packages all day).
I actually compiled this about a week ago, seems like. Took me about 20 hours of course (like 15 without QT, seems like).... It seemed a little bit unstable to me, but then, I've never been great at diagnosing the exact problem in Linux =)
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
..what exactly there is a "seperate technical issue"?
the guy didn't make the stuff up even, just copied from gentoo zealots.
the stuff is so silly that it IS funny.
(gentoo is a great distro but it sure does a crappy job of discouraging idiots who don't know what they're doing from thinking that they know what they're doing)
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
But since moving to Ubuntu I'm a new Gnome-enthusiast. Gnome is just so beautiful (although missing out on a number of features) but it looks so good I can't possibly go back to KDE. KDE just looks ugly, plain and simple, it needs a hell of a lot of work to get it to look anything other than embarassing. What KDE needs to work on in my eyes is menus; they need to be sorted out, I don't like having 1,000 things in one menu, they could learn a thing or two form Gnome there, and also Look, they look shit. Myaybe better default icons and FONT, all their fonts are pisspoor, simple as, if they sorted those things out I'd love to give it another go.
As a Gentoo user of nearly 3 years, I have no special thoughts about Debian, RedHat, Mandrake or other distro's users. I'm sure they are all fine people and enjoy their distributions just as much as I enjoy Gentoo.
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
You are like the first person to ever make a "KDE uses a lot of K names in it's applications, so I'll replace every 'C' with a 'K'" joke! You are sooooo funny. Whatever your job is right now, you should quit and go into comedy. Seriously.
Well you see, that right there is what makes you NOT a Gentoo zealot. It relegates to the much more sensible ranks of fan, advocate, or promoter.
Actually, I use FreeBSD. My needs include having specific times when I can download, i.e., I have to have everything downloaded before compiling starts. Gentoo can't even handle that for their base system.
That's complete bullshit. "emerge fetch" does exactly what you claim Gentoo can't handle.
it may byte you in the ass..
I guess I need to build a screw around machine. I have so much trying beta on my production machine. I get up each day and tell myself, "Well now, everything is working fine. Let's fix that!"...
If this release is named "Krokodile", I think the default startup music should be "Schnappi!"
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
does anyone have any luck with autospellcheck (spellcheck as you type, red underlining of words if you make a spelling mistake) in kate? They were saying that this was going to be released in 3.2 but it doesnt seem to be there. bugs.kde.org has closed the wishlist/feature request ticket. I'm using 3.3.1 currently. The feature's there in konqueror, kmail and kword, but for us folks that use kile (which depends on kate) as the LaTeX source editor, we would sure find it a good feature to have.
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Install XFCE, and then try to tell me that GTK2 is slow.
Krikey! He's a big one! Carefull or he'll bite you in the bum. OW, just like that. Just watch as I stick my hand in his mouth....
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Where's the list of features in this new version? Or should I just be excited that it's a higher number?
mod parent up
ProgressBarMin = 1
ProgressBarMax = make -n | wc -l
then just 'make', count the lines as they come, and move the progress bar...
Doh!
errors go to stderr so they don't count. It works try it.
Is possibile?
best new stuff IMHO are two apps: kpdf and akregator
kpdf was pretty crappy in kde 3.3. It's a lot better now. Faster than xpdf/acroread/gpdf/kghostview. Almost as many features as Adobe Acrobat reader. Wonderful.
akregator is a nice RSS browser that is now part of kdepim. It behaves just like kmail. I'm glad to see this part of kotnact, because thunderbird has RSS support, and I fell in love with that.
As a Gentoo user of nearly 3 years, I have no special thoughts about Debian, RedHat, Mandrake or other distro's users. I'm sure they are all fine people and enjoy their distributions just as much as I enjoy Gentoo.
I see that Gentoo zealots have moved to an entirely new level of rabid fanboyism. Recognizing that the blatant, in-your-face evangelism approach has done all it can, you're now starting down a new path, subtly working away at our resistance through calm, rational and even apparently tolerant discussion... all the better to enhance the shock effect of your next frontal assault.
But we're wise to you, oh, yes. The evil will not take our machines, sapping their cycles with endless compilation. We will hold our Debian swirls high and beat back the honeyed words just like the bombastic venom they so cleverly disguise.
Or maybe we'll just cave and buy a faster machine.
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Won't be an issue. By 2006 the current middle tier cards that can rock Doom 3 will be lower end, and cost next to nothing. And for those of us who like to run on older systems, well, we wouldn't run windows anyway, right?
emerge --fetchonly system && emerge system
That will download, then compile and install the base system.
I run Fedora and Gentoo... Am I some sort of half breed hated by all?
mod parent down
Yes. Boooo! Go back to Russia, hippy. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.
my brother kompiled KDE once.... once!.
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[Replying to the two replies to the grandparent of this post]
FreeBSD's entire base system comes on one CD. You can install FreeBSD and recompile the base system (targetted to your specific architecture) without ever needing a network. Trying the same with a stage 1 Gentoo livecd results in it dying because it can't download the stuff it needs.
FreeBSD's excellence is from such a powerful and configurable system resulting from such a simple start point. Gentoo failed to copy that and is worse for the failure.
Qt4 is a really major change. It is most definitely non-trivial to port code to Qt4, even with the Qt3 compatiblity libraries.
As someone facing the need to port their code to Qt4 sometime in the coming year, I'm all too aware of this.
I wouldn't expect a Qt4 based KDE in any hurry. Even if they're already porting to the Qt4 beta, I expect it'll take them a fair darn while even after Qt4 stable comes out before they can put together a Qt4 desktop. Even then, I'll be surprised if some apps don't continue to use Qt3 for a while after that.
The really impressive translation magic is in Qt's i18n tools ( QObject::tr(), lupdate, lrelease, etc). It "just works" - you code your app in English, but mark strings as translatable and translators can translate your app using external files generated from the source that can be distributed separately.
It's fantastic.
Sure, there's more work involved in making external resources like HTML help translatable, but the real magic happens in Qt.
What were you compiling on? I know that I have no problem compiling KDE on my system, which is overclocked to 200MHz. (dual, but still...) Any reasonably modern system should be able to compile the parts of kde you want in just a short time.
Now if the beta cycle for KDE was expected to run for 3 hours or so, then your point would stand. However the planned release date gives you plenty of time to compile on any system you would want to run it on.
Offtopic to KDE, relative to Linux as a platform.
:)
Been long looking for a distribution that 'just works' with MS Virtual PC 2004. (Formerly Connectix). Many of the distros (fedore, gentoo, slackware) require (albiet small) hacks to run properly graphically under MS VPC. Are there any that 'just work'?
Granted, the latest Fedora Core has been fantastic after the initial setup.. But it would be nice to avoid any special configuration to run a current Linux system under Windows. Without a dual-boot scenario.
Note: VMWare has proven a bit less problematic. However, I already have a liscensed copy of MS VPC. I find it hard to believe that other Linux hackers don't use it, and am greatly suprised by the lack of support in the base Linux and X11 libraries. Just one of those things that should work out of the box, in this developers opinion. On any distro.
FreeBSD's entire base system comes on one CD.
The same goes for Gentoo. Actually, now that I think about it, didn't FreeBSD 5.3 come on 3 CDs? (I use both).
You can install FreeBSD and recompile the base system (targetted to your specific architecture) without ever needing a network. Trying the same with a stage 1 Gentoo livecd results in it dying...
Dying is a strong word to use, considering you can use a stage 3 tarball to install a non-optimised, fully-functional system with no Internet connection whatsoever.
Your argument is that, even though you can install a fully functional system without the Internet, and then download later at your leisure to optimise your system, Gentoo is a failure because you cant optimise your system until you get an Internet connection? You seem to have not only high requirements, but unusual ones too.
Why don't you just do an emerge --fetch system and dump /usr/portage/distfiles onto a CD in advance? Then, when you are installing the system, you can simply dump these files into your system, and emerge at will. Problem solved.
FreeBSD's excellence is from such a powerful and configurable system resulting from such a simple start point. Gentoo failed to copy that
This is rubbish. It just so happens that the default FreeBSD CDs are handy in your unusual situation. I see absolutely no reason to make claims about the general situation because of that.
Yeah, it's handy to have the source. Yeah, FreeBSD CDs come with it and Gentoo CDs don't. But if it bothers you that much, it's trivial to dump the needed source onto CD in advance. It's hardly a reason to state that one is categorically better than the other.
I guess the point I was trying to get at was that FreeBSD solves the bootstrap problem. You can take a FreeBSD livecd (miniinst) and turn it into a fully functional OS. One of the advertised advantages of Gentoo is that everything is custom tailored to your computer, even from installation, but FreeBSD solves this problem better than Gentoo.
why bother? If you've got an enormous fat pipe for downloading thousands of debian binary dependencies all day, why bother waiting 5 minutes for something like Eterm to compile? :-D
with a recent patch by Martin Koller the multicolumn view in konqueror will no longer truncate filenames. this was one of the most irritating aspects of the filemanager for years. thanks Martin!!! :)
check out this thread: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42587
------- Additional Comment #18 From Martin Koller 2004-12-04 13:07 -------
CVS commit by mkoller:
BUG: 42587
GUI: The maximum text width used in konqis multi column view is now configurable in konqis appearance dialog. The default is 600 pixel, which should be enough to not wordwrap the files text.
Now the iconview determines the column width dynamically, so it's no longer fixed for all columns.
M +27 -6 kcontrol/konq/fontopts.cpp 1.59
M +1 -1 kcontrol/konq/fontopts.h 1.25
M +1 -0 libkonq/konq_defaults.h 1.29
M +30 -15 libkonq/konq_iconviewwidget.cc 1.306
nnod parent up
The feature plan for 3.4 can be found here.
Have an LFS installation. Have been compiling KDE for every new release since 2.2
Yeah, it takes some time. I just start the compile process before I leave for the office. My compile script shuts down the PC when it's done. By the time I'm back, it's done. Simple. No time wasted. It could take 8 minutes or 8 hours - no matter to me coz I'm not using the machine at the time - no slowdown noticed.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
all the better to enhance the shock effect of your next frontal assault./ msg02991.html
The next attack will be against BSD, not binary linux.
http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
The next attack will be against BSD, not binary linux.
Who said anything about Linux? I said Debian.
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i've got a fairly off-topic question about kde vs gnome. i've heard that gnome is big in the states and kde is big in europe. i may be emigrating to australia soon and i was wondering which camp they tend towards down under.
...what you can do in awk.
/usr/share/dict/words
Never do in awk what you can do in sed.
Never do in sed what you can do in tr.
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KDE are one of those enterprises that singularly fail to understand the theory "less is more". Their interface is a distracting mess, have you any idea how hard it is to concentrate on something when the interface is THAT busy?