It's still proprietary though, if only the QuickTime player can read the data within the QuiteTime file format wrapper.
Just because it uses an open standard in it's back end, it doesn't mean that the whole thing is open standard. We all have QuickTime installed on any Windows boxes we have, because no other player can use it's formats. That ain't an "open standard".
If it was, I'd have a player that was capable of playing full screen instead, and allowed me to zoom 200% if I wanted, instead of embedding a tiny image on a webpage. Certainly not the extremely limited nagware that is "QuickTime Player".
Have you tried WinMX recently? They've pretty much dropped the OpenNap server system and developed their own. The OpenNap system is still there as an additional network you can log onto, but it's off by default.
I've had no difficulty finding anything I've went looking for, and we ain't talking about Britney here...I listen some obscure stuff.
Same for movies, they're all there.
Kazza Lite does solve the spyware problem, and whenever I meet some running the normal version, I sort it out for them.;-)
Umm, Video on Demand is already being done successfully by Time Warner Cable in New York.
Is it real video on demand, where every user can select a show and watch it that instant, or is it like most systems where the show is broadcast on, say 12 channels, with each one starting 5 mins appart? If the later, it's not VOD. With real VOD, you have a private stream from the provider, which requires a massive server.
Streaming P2P does not, it's like a broadcast.
We're at cross purposes here, methinks. The example that this article links to is a repeater p2p network, which is pretty neat. However, I was describing a system where it's fully on demand. Jeez, if it wasn't for the.avi file format having important data at the end of the file, you could almost do this now on the existing p2p apps. All you need is enough bandwidth to watch the video in realtime. You wouldn't be able to jump 30 minutes in if you wanted, but that's only because the current p2p clients haven't even thought of that yet.
Give it a year or two...;-)
Your post doesn't belong in this story though
Well, what I'm thinking of isn't quite a p2p repeater as described in article, but it's similar and they share a few traits. For example, imagine I am watching an episode of the Simpsons on my node. That episode will be getting cached on my system, and thus will be available to other users from me. That concept is in keeping with the article. I'm just removing the need to have defined broadcasts, limiting when and what you can watch.
The fundamental problem with true video-on-demand is at the server end. Sure, you can stagger showings like todays PPV systems, but the viewer cannot pause, rewind and fast-forward.
P2P solves this. As much bandwidth as you need. The more popular a piece of media becomes, the easier it is to get. A reverse slashdot effect. It's a much more elegant solution compared to throwing bandwidth and server capacity at the problem. Put P2P in a TIVO, it's just gained a second killer app. The only problem is that if two users record the same show, they will not be HASH compatible, which is essential for a good multi-point downloading p2p network. Solve that, you've just reinvented how broadcast TV works.
The MPAA and RIAA are just going to have to accept that they can no longer control our media. We have the tools and we have the technology to do it ourselves.
Only lawyers can try stop us now. And if they do, our countries will have so much civil disobedience and lack of respect for the law that the war on (some) drugs pales in significance.
kazaa and the like are simply about searching for music you know of and downloading it. The community feel is completly removed.
WinMX and AudioGalaxy both had chat rooms to discuss anything, including new music. WinMX also has a instant messaging system, and I've come across many great artists through talking to people on it. But, I prefer AllMusic for looking up new music, their "related artists" feature is pretty good.
I don't know why everyone prefers Kazza, or places it at the forefront of any p2p discussion. WinMX is much more configurable and you get great results if you know how to use it. It's like comparing Notepad with vi, sure notpad may be easier to figure out, but it's pretty limited.
Kazza is also full of spyware. I'm constantly pointing this out to friends that run it and are completely unaware of this.
Tell me, which government did we knock off prior to 9/11 that caused al-Qaida to hate us
Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden has stated this many times, in the videos that were banned from TV "in case he was sending hidden signals" and in the print media. It's where his finances come from, and the death toll there puts 9/11 in the shade. Of course, Bush just tells you the "freedom and democracy" crap, and without any other references, you have to believe him.
Believe me, while your country has done many admirable things to help world piece, there has also been a lot of other dodgy things that didn't quite make CNN. Saddam, the present Saudi dictatorship and the Afgan Taliban were both helped to power by the CIA, for the USA's own gain. This isn't some crackpot consiracy, it's recorded history. Most of the terrorists don't hate the USA for cultural reasons, most of them have a genuine gripe. But it don't excuse their actions of course!
Hey, I want to government to be able to catch these bastards before they kill more innocent people. I don't mind giving them a tool to do the job
I wish I was as confident as you. Bush is clearly using his position to help out his many aquaintances. I don't know if I can trust him with this sort of thing. Something like this could never be removed, the tin-hatters would never believe that it stopped if they said it did.
Once the threat of terrorism has subsided (hopefully, we'll live to see that day)
With the current government (of which you have faith in) going around starting wars and pissing off whole continents, that's not going to happen.
Why don't you take on the rest of the wests anti-terrorism strategy? It's really quite simple. We don't go around knocking over governments for our own gain. Then people don't hate us. They don't teach their children to hate us. And we live in peace.
there needs to be a mechanism to shut down any systems that are inappropriate during peacetime
Not going to happen. Most taxes were originally introduced to fund/repay war debts, this goes right back to the Kings and serfs days. After the war is over, the taxes are never removed. Why stop something you find useful?
Yes, having people call you ANYTIME ANYWHERE is quite a "freedom".
If you aren't willing to speak to friends, then you will soon run out of friends. I don't know about you, but I like it when someone gives me a call. I also like the fact that I have a device in my pocket that lets me call or be called by any friend anywhere on the planet. Ever tried to meet up with a bunch of friends at a festival, or in a busy city? Or you are running late and just what to let them know? Jeez, it's one of the best inventions of the 20th Century!
As for business, get a personal mobile and don't give them the number. How hard is that?
My cable co. does the tracking, and I deliberately confuse them as much as possible. Put on shopping channels etc (stuff I don't watch) when I'm not about, that kind of thing.
It's a bit like the idea of swapping store loyalty cards with people. Mother of five suddenly starts buying microwave dinners and beer. It's my Bill Hicks driven, hatred of marketing types that does it!
It's far cheaper than getting drunk. Apart from a few braincells, pot doesn't cost us anything at all.
That just pisses me off, all the anti-drugs lies. Pot doesn't cause brain damage whatsoever. Getting drunk regularly can cause brain damage
Research also show that the "memory loss" is only short term. "What was I talking about?", that sort of thing. Again, similar effects exist in alcohol. "I got so drunk last night, I can't remember half of what I did"
Don't get me started of alcohol versus weed in a) teenage pregnacy, b) rape, c) violent assaults & murders, d) marital breakdowns. I could go on, but I got high...(another bull anti-drugs message)
Physchological addiction can be said for anything. You can be "addicted" in this way to getting out a certain side of bed each day, turning on a television set when you get home, sex (not generally a problem on/.), checking/. every two hours or just about any pleasurable activity
It's hardly a reason to ban it. Hmm, people enjoy rollercoasters. They might get addicted to them...BAN 'EM! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
They're not looking at putting it into our food, but rather into animal feedstock.
Wonderful. Lets hope they heed the warnings of the UK "Foot and Mouth" disease outbreak. The problem was caused by feeding livestock waste just like this.
Did any of the other chemists reading this suddenly try to picture a chicken molecule?
lol, OK, I guess "single molecule that is part of the chicken" would have been a better choice of words!
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Hmmm. Who really wants more mechanically reclaimed meat in their food? I know it's not a new thing (soups did the same job in the past), but is getting food out of every last chicken molecule neccessary? Hot Dogs are bad enough as it is.
Don't even get me started on the contents of haggis!
Now, that was cool I have to say. I'm going to avoid looking at the cost, 'cos I won't be able to afford it! Damn you, another toy for the wish list...
It's a Simpsons quote...when the old guy that stays in the home with Abe becomes a fill-in teacher. "Paddlin" being the punishment of paddling, i.e. hitting the child with a paddle. Ah, the good ole days...;-)
Actually recent CD decks [pioneerprodj.com] give you extremely precise control
Fair point, but it's not the same as a pair of decks. It doesn't have the hands-on feel to it, and it certainally doesn't hold the same mystique for the fans of the art.
Plus, let's hear some scratching on those CDs...;-)
The only reason that vinyl is still alive is because most dance/underground/techno is released on vinyl FIRST. That's why.
Not strictly true, the whole scene is dominated by vinyl, not just the releases. Fans don't get excited by someone pressing buttons!
Don't get me wrong, I love all the new tech here, I for one have never owned any vinyl, despite being old enough to have had it available. The apps like Atomix and Trakor really interest me as all my media is digital, but when I show them to my DJ friends, they are curious, but uninterested. DJs get the girls, nerds don't.
Actually, few DJs use records unless it's just for show
You're obviously not getting out to the dance/Hip Hop clubs then...
For years the family business has been a DJ/Karaokee business
Ah, wedding singer type DJs. They don't even mix the music. They cue up one track after another. Winamp can do that. I know people who would kill you for calling that DJing.
With high end CD decks, it's possible to do anything that can be done with a record, and in fact it can be done better.
Try telling that to Grand Master Flash. I'm sure anyone who has seen him live would agree that you can't do what he does on a CD deck.
simply rip the music you paid for the proper way, assuming you're doing it legal.
Most professional DJs (e.g. those with a club residency) don't buy the music. They get given it for free on white labels. It's a great promotion for the song, so I doubt the record industry is going to come after you for promoting their material...;-)
Final Scratch is cool, but as a DJ friend told me; it's too expensive. Especially for someone who spends every last bit of cash on vinyl!
Out of the 4-5 DJing friends I have, not one is spinning digital media. Mixing CDs doesn't appeal to them, and neither does using ipods or similar.
You need to be able to mix the music correctly, if you want to advance from school-disco gigs. Mixing on anything other than decks is always going be awkward. You need to be able to touch the record to advance/halt it the 0.05 ms required to get the beats in sync. It's an art form, and facinating to watch.
For dance music, there will always be vinyl. Perhaps the title of this topic should be "major RIAA artists stop using vinyl". Those in the "underground" scene couldn't care less.
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Just because it uses an open standard in it's back end, it doesn't mean that the whole thing is open standard. We all have QuickTime installed on any Windows boxes we have, because no other player can use it's formats. That ain't an "open standard".
If it was, I'd have a player that was capable of playing full screen instead, and allowed me to zoom 200% if I wanted, instead of embedding a tiny image on a webpage. Certainly not the extremely limited nagware that is "QuickTime Player".
I've had no difficulty finding anything I've went looking for, and we ain't talking about Britney here...I listen some obscure stuff.
Same for movies, they're all there.
Kazza Lite does solve the spyware problem, and whenever I meet some running the normal version, I sort it out for them. ;-)
Is it real video on demand, where every user can select a show and watch it that instant, or is it like most systems where the show is broadcast on, say 12 channels, with each one starting 5 mins appart? If the later, it's not VOD. With real VOD, you have a private stream from the provider, which requires a massive server.
Streaming P2P does not, it's like a broadcast.
We're at cross purposes here, methinks. The example that this article links to is a repeater p2p network, which is pretty neat. However, I was describing a system where it's fully on demand. Jeez, if it wasn't for the .avi file format having important data at the end of the file, you could almost do this now on the existing p2p apps. All you need is enough bandwidth to watch the video in realtime. You wouldn't be able to jump 30 minutes in if you wanted, but that's only because the current p2p clients haven't even thought of that yet.
Give it a year or two... ;-)
Your post doesn't belong in this story though
Well, what I'm thinking of isn't quite a p2p repeater as described in article, but it's similar and they share a few traits. For example, imagine I am watching an episode of the Simpsons on my node. That episode will be getting cached on my system, and thus will be available to other users from me. That concept is in keeping with the article. I'm just removing the need to have defined broadcasts, limiting when and what you can watch.
The fundamental problem with true video-on-demand is at the server end. Sure, you can stagger showings like todays PPV systems, but the viewer cannot pause, rewind and fast-forward.
P2P solves this. As much bandwidth as you need. The more popular a piece of media becomes, the easier it is to get. A reverse slashdot effect. It's a much more elegant solution compared to throwing bandwidth and server capacity at the problem. Put P2P in a TIVO, it's just gained a second killer app. The only problem is that if two users record the same show, they will not be HASH compatible, which is essential for a good multi-point downloading p2p network. Solve that, you've just reinvented how broadcast TV works.
The MPAA and RIAA are just going to have to accept that they can no longer control our media. We have the tools and we have the technology to do it ourselves.
Only lawyers can try stop us now. And if they do, our countries will have so much civil disobedience and lack of respect for the law that the war on (some) drugs pales in significance.
Dollar for dollar, they are. You need to spend a relative fortune to get a system that plays vinyl better than your average CD player.
WinMX and AudioGalaxy both had chat rooms to discuss anything, including new music. WinMX also has a instant messaging system, and I've come across many great artists through talking to people on it. But, I prefer AllMusic for looking up new music, their "related artists" feature is pretty good.
I don't know why everyone prefers Kazza, or places it at the forefront of any p2p discussion. WinMX is much more configurable and you get great results if you know how to use it. It's like comparing Notepad with vi, sure notpad may be easier to figure out, but it's pretty limited.
Kazza is also full of spyware. I'm constantly pointing this out to friends that run it and are completely unaware of this.
You're looking back with those tinted sunglasses, Napster was very buggy. I remember the following problems with it:
IMHO, the new ones are better, but they are of course building on the foundations of Napster.
Yeah, but most CD sales are still through traditional shops, who do charge at least £15 for a new release.
Agreed. ;-) I've had this discussion many times before to no avail. I'm sure we've both got better things to get on with.
You can have the last word, if you choose to respond
Nah, you can have it. Ah, wait..damnit!
Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden has stated this many times, in the videos that were banned from TV "in case he was sending hidden signals" and in the print media. It's where his finances come from, and the death toll there puts 9/11 in the shade. Of course, Bush just tells you the "freedom and democracy" crap, and without any other references, you have to believe him.
Believe me, while your country has done many admirable things to help world piece, there has also been a lot of other dodgy things that didn't quite make CNN. Saddam, the present Saudi dictatorship and the Afgan Taliban were both helped to power by the CIA, for the USA's own gain. This isn't some crackpot consiracy, it's recorded history. Most of the terrorists don't hate the USA for cultural reasons, most of them have a genuine gripe. But it don't excuse their actions of course!
Hey, I want to government to be able to catch these bastards before they kill more innocent people. I don't mind giving them a tool to do the job
I wish I was as confident as you. Bush is clearly using his position to help out his many aquaintances. I don't know if I can trust him with this sort of thing. Something like this could never be removed, the tin-hatters would never believe that it stopped if they said it did.
With the current government (of which you have faith in) going around starting wars and pissing off whole continents, that's not going to happen.
Why don't you take on the rest of the wests anti-terrorism strategy? It's really quite simple. We don't go around knocking over governments for our own gain. Then people don't hate us. They don't teach their children to hate us. And we live in peace.
there needs to be a mechanism to shut down any systems that are inappropriate during peacetime
Not going to happen. Most taxes were originally introduced to fund/repay war debts, this goes right back to the Kings and serfs days. After the war is over, the taxes are never removed. Why stop something you find useful?
If you aren't willing to speak to friends, then you will soon run out of friends. I don't know about you, but I like it when someone gives me a call. I also like the fact that I have a device in my pocket that lets me call or be called by any friend anywhere on the planet. Ever tried to meet up with a bunch of friends at a festival, or in a busy city? Or you are running late and just what to let them know? Jeez, it's one of the best inventions of the 20th Century!
As for business, get a personal mobile and don't give them the number. How hard is that?
It's a bit like the idea of swapping store loyalty cards with people. Mother of five suddenly starts buying microwave dinners and beer. It's my Bill Hicks driven, hatred of marketing types that does it!
Google Search. How hard was that?
Who is it this week? I've been avoiding the propag^H^H^H^H^H^H news lately...
Isn't it ironic, don't you think? ;-)
That just pisses me off, all the anti-drugs lies. Pot doesn't cause brain damage whatsoever. Getting drunk regularly can cause brain damage
Research also show that the "memory loss" is only short term. "What was I talking about?", that sort of thing. Again, similar effects exist in alcohol. "I got so drunk last night, I can't remember half of what I did"
Don't get me started of alcohol versus weed in a) teenage pregnacy, b) rape, c) violent assaults & murders, d) marital breakdowns. I could go on, but I got high...(another bull anti-drugs message)
It's hardly a reason to ban it. Hmm, people enjoy rollercoasters. They might get addicted to them...BAN 'EM! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Wonderful. Lets hope they heed the warnings of the UK "Foot and Mouth" disease outbreak. The problem was caused by feeding livestock waste just like this.
Did any of the other chemists reading this suddenly try to picture a chicken molecule?
lol, OK, I guess "single molecule that is part of the chicken" would have been a better choice of words!
Don't even get me started on the contents of haggis!
Now, that was cool I have to say. I'm going to avoid looking at the cost, 'cos I won't be able to afford it! Damn you, another toy for the wish list...
It's a Simpsons quote...when the old guy that stays in the home with Abe becomes a fill-in teacher. "Paddlin" being the punishment of paddling, i.e. hitting the child with a paddle. Ah, the good ole days... ;-)
Fair point, but it's not the same as a pair of decks. It doesn't have the hands-on feel to it, and it certainally doesn't hold the same mystique for the fans of the art.
Plus, let's hear some scratching on those CDs... ;-)
The only reason that vinyl is still alive is because most dance/underground/techno is released on vinyl FIRST. That's why.
Not strictly true, the whole scene is dominated by vinyl, not just the releases. Fans don't get excited by someone pressing buttons!
Don't get me wrong, I love all the new tech here, I for one have never owned any vinyl, despite being old enough to have had it available. The apps like Atomix and Trakor really interest me as all my media is digital, but when I show them to my DJ friends, they are curious, but uninterested. DJs get the girls, nerds don't.
You're obviously not getting out to the dance/Hip Hop clubs then...
For years the family business has been a DJ/Karaokee business
Ah, wedding singer type DJs. They don't even mix the music. They cue up one track after another. Winamp can do that. I know people who would kill you for calling that DJing.
With high end CD decks, it's possible to do anything that can be done with a record, and in fact it can be done better.
Try telling that to Grand Master Flash. I'm sure anyone who has seen him live would agree that you can't do what he does on a CD deck.
simply rip the music you paid for the proper way, assuming you're doing it legal.
Most professional DJs (e.g. those with a club residency) don't buy the music. They get given it for free on white labels. It's a great promotion for the song, so I doubt the record industry is going to come after you for promoting their material... ;-)
Out of the 4-5 DJing friends I have, not one is spinning digital media. Mixing CDs doesn't appeal to them, and neither does using ipods or similar.
You need to be able to mix the music correctly, if you want to advance from school-disco gigs. Mixing on anything other than decks is always going be awkward. You need to be able to touch the record to advance/halt it the 0.05 ms required to get the beats in sync. It's an art form, and facinating to watch.
For dance music, there will always be vinyl. Perhaps the title of this topic should be "major RIAA artists stop using vinyl". Those in the "underground" scene couldn't care less.