There are many successful examples of reverse engineering software without consulting the original sources. Heck, samba and linux are formost among these!
Apples and Oranges. When he did Samba, he would have snooped the wire between two windows boxes. Having the source available is not relevant as agreeing to the BK license did not grant you access.
He claims to have reverse engineered a protocol without EVER touching a client. I claim that is imposible. Best case scenario is that he had a friend triggering client-server actions for him that he captured and analyised the packets.
I did not use BitKeeper at all in writing this tool and thus was never subject to the BitKeeper license. I developed the tool in a completely ethical and legal manner.
That sounds more like a lawyer speaking than a coder. Very short and to the point, covers all the legal bases but doesn't say anything more that could potentially be used against him.
Personally, I believe he's a liar as well now. He's never ONCE EVER used it? He's never installed it EVER? How does he even know the basics? I'm sorry, but NO ONE ever reverse-engineers a client without using that client at least once. It's just not possible otherwise. There are number of fundamental design paradims for version-control software, and the only way to really figure out what your are dealing with is by playing around with it.
I mean, if you want to get out of an EULA there are easier ways of doing so. My country doesn't consider contacts valid if you were inebriated. Crack open a beer, light a J and keep hitting next...
The only way he could be safe really is if he got someone else to install (and "accept") it for him. Then they are in trouble, though I doubt he could be forced to reveal who that person was.
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Child labour is extremely common in most countries in Asia and Africa. It only sounds outlandish or cruel to you because it's not common in your country.
"When I were a kid, I were down t' mine at 6am...."
And it was really popular in western society at one point. Chimney sweeps, mining, anything where your small size was an advantage meant that kids got the job.
It's only recently that we've gotten this perverse idea that childhood lasts til 18 (and all the rebelion that comes from treating adults as children). And then we slate other countries for being 50-100 years behind us in social development!!
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That's why mandatory population control (using sterelisation, if necessary) would be a more humane policy
Been tried before in Germany and the US, both by evil folk. Didn't go down to well, in fact there were some cases recently stateside where people that had been forcably sterilized sued. However, you'd solve more of the abstract problems causing the poverty by giving out immunisations to common diseases rather than than serilization. Jeez, daily aids deaths are around 3,000 and they can't even give out enough contraception to them.
Of course, the Western society (and human rights activists) doesn't really care about people, they care about their perception of what is proper.
No, they onlu care about the sales brought by appearing to be proper. It's all front.
GeekDork answered you, but missed out the bit about the old-school QoS bits which is what you are thinking about. Basically these are IP fields that allow routers to mark traffic as priority for other routers. However, NO ONE uses them; routers ignore them. Setting them on your packets is pointless.
So, what everyone does now is controls their uploads. You can only prioritize traffic leaving your site, as you have no control over incoming. By giving upload ACK packets priority, you stop the saturation problems you get when trying to use 100% of your uplink. The ACK from your downloads start to get queued and their speed plumets. Any QoS should give ACK max priority. Then it's games, ssh, web and finally everything else. Get this set up and you can run p2p at full speed, but still get fast web browsing, gaming and low pings.
Utimately, all this shaping will be doing is having multiple queues. If a packet is game-oriented, it's get the number one queue. #
If you are looking into in on Linux, check out "tcng", it's the way to go. "tc" is not user friendly at all.
As an American, let me say that we are NOT the best country in the world, and that any time we say that we are, we sound as silly as the russians here
And as an American, you should leave.
At what point did self-delusion become a part of the American Dream? Aspiring to be the best is one thing, sticking your head in a box saying "we are the best, we are the best" is something altogether entirely. I suggest you seek help.
Funny how millions are trying to get into the United States every year, along with a other millions that risk their lives sneaking in illegally.
What, do you want a prize or something? Another thing that the US is not the leader in; imigration applications. Far more people are trying to get into Europe in the same way. The UK has a massive illegal alien problem. It's not on your news because it's not relevant to you. Doesn't mean that you are the only country that others want to live in.
Funny how having pride and love for your country is now considered "silly".
What you are saying isn't pride. It's stupidity. No one country is "hte best". Unless your a 14-year-old kid who doesn't know any better.
or people can stop basing decisions on their favurite television show?
They can't help it, that's how the mind works. It doesn't track the source of information all that well, so when it comes to form a decision or opinion on something, all of the media you have seen in your life comes into play and you don't know it. If I were to ask you, e.g. what was the Vatican's stance on the Hollocaust? Most people would say "silence", because that's what it said in the movie Dogma. It's not true, but that doesn't matter. Likewise the old west. Instead of being the brutal ethnic cleansing of 20,000,000 native americans, cowboys are seen as heros and pioneers. He who controls the past controls the present.
This is old news. Hollywood has been deliberately used to promote the American Dream for many years. Advertising has been used to get brand recognition instilled into us. And religion has been around for several thousand years. People will believe anything you tell them, it's not natural to question everything. What most folk don't realise is that the producers of media are very much aware of these facts and techniques.
What amazes me is that no one seems to care what foreign governments could do with all that information on US citizens. And they could afford the really juicy data analysis tools and have the resources to build very detailed dossiers on every American.
You do know that Echelon is in fact real, and the UK/USA has been doing exactly that for at least ten years?
Though, I have to wonder why the Chinese government might want to compile data on a random American citizen. They already have dossiers on everyone they are interested in; that's how inteligence works. Just as their is a file named "George Bush" in Bejing, guaranteed Langly has a few files on the important Chinese people.
Well, come to think of it I'm not sure I trust the Indian or Chinese government any less than DHS.
I'm certain I don't trust DHS. Look how Iraqi intel was manipulated to justify a war of profit. How hard would it be to justify a trip to Camp X-Ray for anyone that they wanted rid of? The form of inteligence practiced recently is similar to seeing shapes in the clouds. If you look hard enough, you'll see what you want to see.
Since the introduction of fingerprint scanners at US airports, most privacy advocates are refusing to visit.
It's a pitty that slashdot would title this "Indian Call Center Employees Hack US Bank Accounts".
You must be new here. Slashdot is very racist towards certain countries, mostly the ones that aren't white. ANY discussion on Indian outsourcing spends it's life bordering between flaming and trolling. The fact is, more people read this article because of the incendary title than would have without it, so you can expect this kind of thing to continue.
The headline "Call centre employees note down inforation to illegally access accounts" would not have got many readers. So, throw in "hack" and "Indian Call Centre" and bang, you have 200+ comments within an hour or two.
I hope companies from around the world take a look at the amount of personal information they are sending to around the world with out thought of who might be watching it.
Definataly. I'm seeing this from the other side. Here in the UK, your privacy is protected by the Data Protection Act, which states that companies cannot share your data with anyone without your permission.
For me, I only mostly deal with US companies, where there is no similar protection. In fact, things are so bad that the feeding tube parents sold the petition to marking agencies! Personally, I won't share my information with anyone in the US unless I absolutely can't avoid it and have checked out the companies history. Even then that means nothing as if they get taken over, it's all change.
Of course, fingerprinting people at customs means I can no longer enter the US either. So, you can imagine I'm reading all this Indian-bashing with a "pot calling kettle black" thought in my head.
You probably want a bit more oomph for future proofing, but it's not all that neccessary depending how you set up. If the capure cards are doing the encoding and decoding onboard, all the PC will be doing is shuffling data around.
SPDIF is essential if you ask me. Computers are terrible audio sources, there is far to much RF noise in them. Get a digital audio out and keep the analogue audio stage out of the PC. A surround amp can be picked up for next to nothing nowadays.
I am curious to know why there don't seem to be many video capture cards that can handle higher quality video signals. Composite and s-video capture is easy to do with cards like the PVR-250 and so on, but I've connected my home cinema up with connections like RGB scart and component video
I'd say it is down to availabilty of devices to hook up to. In some countries, RGB is extremely rare. In others (those with SCART hookups), it's very common as an input. However, the only common outputs of RGB here are DVD players and games consoles. Most camcorders etc use S-Video, others composite.
So, when they are designing cards, they'll go for the one that'll sell the most. Not many folk want to capture games, and DVD is pointless as you need to bypass macrovision, but if you're going to so much bother, just DeCSS it and you have the original feed digitally copied.
The rest of the world is pissed for ONE simple reason. When a group knows they are weak, they will lash out at the individual who is not. The "rest" of the world is pissed because they know deep down, that the US believes and stands by its love of freedom.
Go read a history book, moron. These folk hate you for what you have done to them over the past 50 years. These things haven't been covered by Hollywood, so it's doubtfull you know of them. If you believe that "they hate freedom", I really have to question your sanity. Fact is, the USA has been the foremost sponsor of international terrorism for all but the last four years. The cold war was basically the US training terrorists to topple governments they don't like. All you know about that topic is probably Rambo III, but I wouldn't call it historically accurate.
Believe me, if I had my democratically elected leader disposed of to be replaced by a dictator, just because he was more friendly to US interests (e.g. not a socialist), I'd be plenty pissed to. The US has been at war with someone CONSTANTLY since the Korean war.
Your facts are wrong. The King James Version was translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts
Damn, you're right and I should have known that, I was aware of what you mention. I even thought I said what you said in another reply that didn't quote me! My bad.
Yes, the KJ was not translated from latin. It is one of the more admirable attempts to produce an English version. I saw a documentary on this a few months ago in fact, it covered the process they followed, and IIRC it was a tough job with a lot of debate. But prior to that, in Great Britain, the predominant form was in Latin.
I have never heard of the "book of Mary", and I'm pretty sure that this fictitious book was never part of the Biblical canon.
Google for Gospel of Mary. I've never read it myself, but the documentary I mention listed it as one of the ones that were left out of the KJ NT canon, like many others. "Canon" is the collective name for biblical texts, yes?
By using the word "version", you might be implying that the original Hebrew/Greek Bible went through many editions.
It did. There are multiple versions, many forgotten by history. We only know of the ones that stuck around. Even as early as the 5th century there were doubts as to the accuracy of the existing versions. We're about 1500 years down the line. I'm not expert on this subject, just a little interested in it, but I'd hasten a guess that what original documents we have; they aren't all that original.
I hope you weren't implying the KJV was translated from the latin. The KJV was translated from the textus receptus.
I knew it was from an older version (not that I could name it!), but prior to that, the only copies in Great Britain were in latin apparently. This gave the church a lot of importance in society, as people depended on the priests for guidance; they couldn't just read it themselves.
Don't you think it's funny though, how the British Empire version of the bible is also the most predominant one in former British colonies? No coincidence there.
What you are saying is that because the gospels don't have the same exact stories in the same exact orders that it completely invalidates everything.
Not quite. It is a fact that the gospels were not written by the deciples, with maybe one exception. In fact, some argue that the writters cannot have ever met Christ. It is also believed that some of the gospels are literally just re-interpreted versions of the previous ones. The first one was penned some 40 years after the event
I guess I'm saying that the history of the bible is so warped, you just don't know what to believe. As another reply points out, the New Testiment is merely an arbitrary selection of a much larger body of work. Yet everyone puts absolute faith in that collection. That's what I have a problem with.
AP-PAUL-ED? Is that a pun?
No, I just can't spell all that well! Slashdot needs a spellchecker...;-)
I am curious though as to why you would think that if you think that his teachings are just a bunch of fables.
I'm not saying I don't believe. I don't have all the answers, no one does. There may have been someone called Jesus. And he may have been the son of God. I just don't put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the New Testiment. Even modern history is warped; there are a number of things e.g. the Cuban Missile Crisis, that if you were to base your knowledge on one version of the story verses the other, you'd get a very different view. You mention this different-observer effect yourself.
Plus, for me, the whole Old Testament biases me against biblical texts as a whole. It is clearly wrong on some of it's most fundamental concepts, Adam and Eve, let there be light etc. To me, it shows how these teachings are just what they are...one cultures interpretation of existance taken a long time ago. Had I lived before Darwin & Newton, I might have believed it 100%. But I know of evolution. I know of planetary physics. Once my trust in part of something has been lost, I find it hard to trust the remainder.
I would relate this to Benny Hinn...every time I flip by his show on TBN I swear I think that I'm going to see God strike him down with lightning.
I'm not familiar with him, but I'm guessing he's a tv evangelist type, right? I'm glad you feel that way, these guys are undoubtably harming your religion. It's like how many can't see pass the terrorism in some "Islamic" sets, many also cannot see past the war rethoric and open fraud practiced by world leaders and these bozos. If that's Christianity, I'm out. I'm surprised the true faithfull don't try to put a stop to it. Out of curosity, do the pro-war leanings of Christians, as seen in US politics, carry over into the general population? I just can't see how a religious person could have been for it all, other than just ignorance about what was really going on. I don't remember the good guys starting any wars in the bible, it was all peace and love, you know, the good things.
Also, I've also known a few very religious folk over the years. Some are good friends. But the majority were very judgemental; if you didn't go to their bible group, you were nobody. I guess like in many things, in religion it is unfortunately the worst examples that stick in your mind, and the good slips away...
She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. 40But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!"
41"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, 42but only one thing is needed.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." "
That's pretty weak though, just one example, and the teaching you could take from is that earthly pursuits are not as important as spirtual ones. Nothing about women not belonging in the kitchen!;-) There are countless example of women not being treated equally in the bible. Out of curiosity, did the unmarried men who weren't virgins get stonings? I'm not sure on that.
I'm not saying they rewrote it. But it was spun to conform with the times.
We did not target innocent people. The terrorists you seem to want to defend did.
First, off, I'm not defending them. Just playing the interested third-party. War is no different from terrorism. Sure, you can pretend that doublethink phrases like "smart bomb" and "collateral damage" mean that innocent casualties will be minimal, but they won't. War is brutal, and the Iraqi one is one of the worst. You can NEVER claim the moral high ground when you start a war. It doesn't matter which target's in your gunsight, the school, the hospital, the drug factory, or the enemy training camp. When you choose war, you accept the concequences. Ergo, the USA is no better than the terrorists.
The 15,000 figure only exists because of the Geneva Convention, which states that you MUST cound non-combatant deaths. If it weren't for that, I absolutely guarantee that we'd all have the impression that the innocent casualties were low. Not once have I ever heard the number mentioned on mainstream media.
Oh, and even if there was WMD in Iraq or links to 9-11, I'd still feel the same way.
Where was your sympathy when 300,000 Iraqi's died under Saddam and you did absolutely nothing to stop them?
Where was Donald Runsfeld? That's right, selling them the capability to conduct those slaughters. Personally, I'd have been in school myself at that time, making pictures out of macaroni and the like. Nowadays, I do stand up when I hear of injustice, like now.
WRT to charities, well stats are stats. My link to that page was meerly to illustrate to someone that the US wasn't the worlds most charitable nation. And I stand by on the comment about loans not being aid, your "Giving USA" group will likely be doing the same.
Please don't take me the wrong way. I used to love America. I still like the American people. However, your country is heading down a dark road that threatens us all. I'll do what I can to stop that, and if that means bitch-slapping some reality into someone, I hope you or they don't take it personally. The fundamental problem is that most Americans, having grown up around strong nationalistic propaganda, have a genuine belief that their country can do no wrong. The biggest question after 9-11 was "why do they hate us". I attempt to answer that in the hope that they will realise that their leaders are taking the good currency that was The American Dream, and pissing it up the river.
You need to step back from Hollywood and read some History. There are reasons people want to fly planes into buildings. I'd be calling for the blood of those who gave them that reason, but that would break away the "they hate freedom" mantra that has been so successful at keeping the citizenry in line.
Besides the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek and handwritten the Bible is clear that:
The virgin birth was prophesied in the Old Testament. That's where it came from originally, the whole messiah == virgin mother thing.
a) Mary was a virgin when she conceived (Matt. 1:22)
b) Her conception came from the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18 & 22)
Now you can disagree with these facts if you want
THEY AREN'T FACTS. They are stories in a book; stores that can be PROVEN to have evolved over the years. Do you know how many of the gospel writers actually MET Jesus? One; Mark, written 40 years after the events described. The rest were written centuries later by others. The second gospel (can't remember which, Luke perhaps) is basically an embelished version of the gospel of Mark.
I find it funny that the first gospel written (Mark) doesn't make any mention of a "virgin birth" or an ascension to heaven after he resurrected (Mark contains the ascension now, but that was an admitted later addition to the gospel.) Mark protrays a very human messiah.
Contrast that with John, the last gosepl written, and you have a demi-god incarnate born of a virgin, who ascends to heaven after he is resurrected.
Don't you see how the story evolved over time and people began to embellish?
Which is pretty much my sentiments.
if you want to argue that Miracles don't happen, then you're not going to convince anyone who believes in anything supernatural (read anyone who is part of any faith).
I never said any such thing. See, that's the problem with most religious debates; it usually goes "agree with me entirely otherwise I won't listen to you."
I'm not saying there isn't a god. I'm not saying that he isn't the creator. What I am saying is that the bible is not gods word and if you believe it is (infallably) and persecute those who don't agree with you, then you are hellbound. Ironic, don't you think?
People who debate whether homosexuality is allowed because of interpretations of a 2000 year-old pass-me down collection of fables, translated through at least four languages are the morons. What, is King James right and Good News wrong? Why? Do you, as a man, feel confident enough to make that assertion?
I am 100% sure that if Jesus were real and around today, he would be APPAULED at the state of what his teachings had become. He would also be appauled at the riches of the church, but that's a different matter, and one more akin to the root of the problem here; mans corruption.
they can debate anything technical but don`t have an answer to what is happening now and how it applies to the future
Neither do the religious types. Their explaination of whats happening now involved creation of the known universe in seven days, the earth being created before the sun, and women came from a spare rib. Oh, and lions and tigers don't need to eat prey when on an ark or following a flood.
and took a long hard look at where all the technology and laws are going and needed... to make "666" a reality.
If "666" ever comes around, it will be a religious person driving it, mark my word. Christians believe there will never be peace on earth until everyone is a Christian. And they are willing to kill those who disagree!
pay attention to what Isreal is doing... meaning, when you hear of them rebuilding the temple.
Certainally. If we do manage to nuke the world, my money is on Isreal or the USA kicking it off.
We're talking about some of the most learned people of their age making these translations, and they're not doing it in a void. They knew exactly what kind of spin they wanted to put on the bible and they disguised their tampering as translation.
Being modded as troll, but he's right. If you disagree, trace the the origins of the revision of the bible and you will see. Prior to the translation from Latin (King James version), only the elite could read the scriptures. When they translated them, they were the sole purveuors of religious thought in the UK. They were also men, bound by the weaknesses of men. They left out entire sections that they disagreed with, e.g. the book of Mary. Men at that didn't believe women had a place other than in the kitchen.
Each translation was an attempt to make a bible for the local population, written with the current environment in mind. If the exact same people were to sit down and do a translation today, it would be vastly different. It scares me that most religious people aren't open to the fact there are several hundred different versions of the bible. The one their church uses is the correct one, and that's the end of the discussion as far as they are concerned.
Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Sounds like a story you'd hear on Jerry Springer!!;-)
"Immaculate conception" does not refer to a conception that takes place without sex, and is only related to the doctrine of Virgin Birth vaguely.
It's also a typo. In the original Hebrew, the word used meant "without child" or "young girl". Basically, "not a mother", nothing to do with "not had sex", or "a regular on slashdot". So, one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a translation error.
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Apples and Oranges. When he did Samba, he would have snooped the wire between two windows boxes. Having the source available is not relevant as agreeing to the BK license did not grant you access.
He claims to have reverse engineered a protocol without EVER touching a client. I claim that is imposible. Best case scenario is that he had a friend triggering client-server actions for him that he captured and analyised the packets.
That sounds more like a lawyer speaking than a coder. Very short and to the point, covers all the legal bases but doesn't say anything more that could potentially be used against him.
Personally, I believe he's a liar as well now. He's never ONCE EVER used it? He's never installed it EVER? How does he even know the basics? I'm sorry, but NO ONE ever reverse-engineers a client without using that client at least once. It's just not possible otherwise. There are number of fundamental design paradims for version-control software, and the only way to really figure out what your are dealing with is by playing around with it.
I mean, if you want to get out of an EULA there are easier ways of doing so. My country doesn't consider contacts valid if you were inebriated. Crack open a beer, light a J and keep hitting next...
The only way he could be safe really is if he got someone else to install (and "accept") it for him. Then they are in trouble, though I doubt he could be forced to reveal who that person was.
And it was really popular in western society at one point. Chimney sweeps, mining, anything where your small size was an advantage meant that kids got the job.
It's only recently that we've gotten this perverse idea that childhood lasts til 18 (and all the rebelion that comes from treating adults as children). And then we slate other countries for being 50-100 years behind us in social development!!
Been tried before in Germany and the US, both by evil folk. Didn't go down to well, in fact there were some cases recently stateside where people that had been forcably sterilized sued. However, you'd solve more of the abstract problems causing the poverty by giving out immunisations to common diseases rather than than serilization. Jeez, daily aids deaths are around 3,000 and they can't even give out enough contraception to them.
Of course, the Western society (and human rights activists) doesn't really care about people, they care about their perception of what is proper.
No, they onlu care about the sales brought by appearing to be proper. It's all front.
I recommend checking out "tcng" for this. Pretty easy to use (compared to "tc"!).
So, what everyone does now is controls their uploads. You can only prioritize traffic leaving your site, as you have no control over incoming. By giving upload ACK packets priority, you stop the saturation problems you get when trying to use 100% of your uplink. The ACK from your downloads start to get queued and their speed plumets. Any QoS should give ACK max priority. Then it's games, ssh, web and finally everything else. Get this set up and you can run p2p at full speed, but still get fast web browsing, gaming and low pings.
Utimately, all this shaping will be doing is having multiple queues. If a packet is game-oriented, it's get the number one queue. #
If you are looking into in on Linux, check out "tcng", it's the way to go. "tc" is not user friendly at all.
At what point did self-delusion become a part of the American Dream? Aspiring to be the best is one thing, sticking your head in a box saying "we are the best, we are the best" is something altogether entirely. I suggest you seek help.
Funny how millions are trying to get into the United States every year, along with a other millions that risk their lives sneaking in illegally.
What, do you want a prize or something? Another thing that the US is not the leader in; imigration applications. Far more people are trying to get into Europe in the same way. The UK has a massive illegal alien problem. It's not on your news because it's not relevant to you. Doesn't mean that you are the only country that others want to live in.
Funny how having pride and love for your country is now considered "silly".
What you are saying isn't pride. It's stupidity. No one country is "hte best". Unless your a 14-year-old kid who doesn't know any better.
They can't help it, that's how the mind works. It doesn't track the source of information all that well, so when it comes to form a decision or opinion on something, all of the media you have seen in your life comes into play and you don't know it. If I were to ask you, e.g. what was the Vatican's stance on the Hollocaust? Most people would say "silence", because that's what it said in the movie Dogma. It's not true, but that doesn't matter. Likewise the old west. Instead of being the brutal ethnic cleansing of 20,000,000 native americans, cowboys are seen as heros and pioneers. He who controls the past controls the present.
This is old news. Hollywood has been deliberately used to promote the American Dream for many years. Advertising has been used to get brand recognition instilled into us. And religion has been around for several thousand years. People will believe anything you tell them, it's not natural to question everything. What most folk don't realise is that the producers of media are very much aware of these facts and techniques.
You do know that Echelon is in fact real, and the UK/USA has been doing exactly that for at least ten years?
Though, I have to wonder why the Chinese government might want to compile data on a random American citizen. They already have dossiers on everyone they are interested in; that's how inteligence works. Just as their is a file named "George Bush" in Bejing, guaranteed Langly has a few files on the important Chinese people.
Well, come to think of it I'm not sure I trust the Indian or Chinese government any less than DHS.
I'm certain I don't trust DHS. Look how Iraqi intel was manipulated to justify a war of profit. How hard would it be to justify a trip to Camp X-Ray for anyone that they wanted rid of? The form of inteligence practiced recently is similar to seeing shapes in the clouds. If you look hard enough, you'll see what you want to see.
Since the introduction of fingerprint scanners at US airports, most privacy advocates are refusing to visit.
You must be new here. Slashdot is very racist towards certain countries, mostly the ones that aren't white. ANY discussion on Indian outsourcing spends it's life bordering between flaming and trolling. The fact is, more people read this article because of the incendary title than would have without it, so you can expect this kind of thing to continue.
The headline "Call centre employees note down inforation to illegally access accounts" would not have got many readers. So, throw in "hack" and "Indian Call Centre" and bang, you have 200+ comments within an hour or two.
Definataly. I'm seeing this from the other side. Here in the UK, your privacy is protected by the Data Protection Act, which states that companies cannot share your data with anyone without your permission.
For me, I only mostly deal with US companies, where there is no similar protection. In fact, things are so bad that the feeding tube parents sold the petition to marking agencies! Personally, I won't share my information with anyone in the US unless I absolutely can't avoid it and have checked out the companies history. Even then that means nothing as if they get taken over, it's all change.
Of course, fingerprinting people at customs means I can no longer enter the US either. So, you can imagine I'm reading all this Indian-bashing with a "pot calling kettle black" thought in my head.
I disagree. I have a SB AWE Gold, which is miles ahead of onboard sound. It still isn't all that great when plugged into a HiFi separates system.
SPDIF is essential if you ask me. Computers are terrible audio sources, there is far to much RF noise in them. Get a digital audio out and keep the analogue audio stage out of the PC. A surround amp can be picked up for next to nothing nowadays.
I'd say it is down to availabilty of devices to hook up to. In some countries, RGB is extremely rare. In others (those with SCART hookups), it's very common as an input. However, the only common outputs of RGB here are DVD players and games consoles. Most camcorders etc use S-Video, others composite.
So, when they are designing cards, they'll go for the one that'll sell the most. Not many folk want to capture games, and DVD is pointless as you need to bypass macrovision, but if you're going to so much bother, just DeCSS it and you have the original feed digitally copied.
Go read a history book, moron. These folk hate you for what you have done to them over the past 50 years. These things haven't been covered by Hollywood, so it's doubtfull you know of them. If you believe that "they hate freedom", I really have to question your sanity. Fact is, the USA has been the foremost sponsor of international terrorism for all but the last four years. The cold war was basically the US training terrorists to topple governments they don't like. All you know about that topic is probably Rambo III, but I wouldn't call it historically accurate.
Believe me, if I had my democratically elected leader disposed of to be replaced by a dictator, just because he was more friendly to US interests (e.g. not a socialist), I'd be plenty pissed to. The US has been at war with someone CONSTANTLY since the Korean war.
Damn, you're right and I should have known that, I was aware of what you mention. I even thought I said what you said in another reply that didn't quote me! My bad.
Yes, the KJ was not translated from latin. It is one of the more admirable attempts to produce an English version. I saw a documentary on this a few months ago in fact, it covered the process they followed, and IIRC it was a tough job with a lot of debate. But prior to that, in Great Britain, the predominant form was in Latin.
I have never heard of the "book of Mary", and I'm pretty sure that this fictitious book was never part of the Biblical canon.
Google for Gospel of Mary. I've never read it myself, but the documentary I mention listed it as one of the ones that were left out of the KJ NT canon, like many others. "Canon" is the collective name for biblical texts, yes?
By using the word "version", you might be implying that the original Hebrew/Greek Bible went through many editions.
It did. There are multiple versions, many forgotten by history. We only know of the ones that stuck around. Even as early as the 5th century there were doubts as to the accuracy of the existing versions. We're about 1500 years down the line. I'm not expert on this subject, just a little interested in it, but I'd hasten a guess that what original documents we have; they aren't all that original.
I knew it was from an older version (not that I could name it!), but prior to that, the only copies in Great Britain were in latin apparently. This gave the church a lot of importance in society, as people depended on the priests for guidance; they couldn't just read it themselves.
Don't you think it's funny though, how the British Empire version of the bible is also the most predominant one in former British colonies? No coincidence there.
Not quite. It is a fact that the gospels were not written by the deciples, with maybe one exception. In fact, some argue that the writters cannot have ever met Christ. It is also believed that some of the gospels are literally just re-interpreted versions of the previous ones. The first one was penned some 40 years after the event
I guess I'm saying that the history of the bible is so warped, you just don't know what to believe. As another reply points out, the New Testiment is merely an arbitrary selection of a much larger body of work. Yet everyone puts absolute faith in that collection. That's what I have a problem with.
AP-PAUL-ED? Is that a pun?
No, I just can't spell all that well! Slashdot needs a spellchecker... ;-)
I am curious though as to why you would think that if you think that his teachings are just a bunch of fables.
I'm not saying I don't believe. I don't have all the answers, no one does. There may have been someone called Jesus. And he may have been the son of God. I just don't put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the New Testiment. Even modern history is warped; there are a number of things e.g. the Cuban Missile Crisis, that if you were to base your knowledge on one version of the story verses the other, you'd get a very different view. You mention this different-observer effect yourself.
Plus, for me, the whole Old Testament biases me against biblical texts as a whole. It is clearly wrong on some of it's most fundamental concepts, Adam and Eve, let there be light etc. To me, it shows how these teachings are just what they are...one cultures interpretation of existance taken a long time ago. Had I lived before Darwin & Newton, I might have believed it 100%. But I know of evolution. I know of planetary physics. Once my trust in part of something has been lost, I find it hard to trust the remainder.
I would relate this to Benny Hinn...every time I flip by his show on TBN I swear I think that I'm going to see God strike him down with lightning.
I'm not familiar with him, but I'm guessing he's a tv evangelist type, right? I'm glad you feel that way, these guys are undoubtably harming your religion. It's like how many can't see pass the terrorism in some "Islamic" sets, many also cannot see past the war rethoric and open fraud practiced by world leaders and these bozos. If that's Christianity, I'm out. I'm surprised the true faithfull don't try to put a stop to it. Out of curosity, do the pro-war leanings of Christians, as seen in US politics, carry over into the general population? I just can't see how a religious person could have been for it all, other than just ignorance about what was really going on. I don't remember the good guys starting any wars in the bible, it was all peace and love, you know, the good things.
Also, I've also known a few very religious folk over the years. Some are good friends. But the majority were very judgemental; if you didn't go to their bible group, you were nobody. I guess like in many things, in religion it is unfortunately the worst examples that stick in your mind, and the good slips away...
She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. 40But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!" 41"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, 42but only one thing is needed.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." "
That's pretty weak though, just one example, and the teaching you could take from is that earthly pursuits are not as important as spirtual ones. Nothing about women not belonging in the kitchen! ;-) There are countless example of women not being treated equally in the bible. Out of curiosity, did the unmarried men who weren't virgins get stonings? I'm not sure on that.
I'm not saying they rewrote it. But it was spun to conform with the times.
First, off, I'm not defending them. Just playing the interested third-party. War is no different from terrorism. Sure, you can pretend that doublethink phrases like "smart bomb" and "collateral damage" mean that innocent casualties will be minimal, but they won't. War is brutal, and the Iraqi one is one of the worst. You can NEVER claim the moral high ground when you start a war. It doesn't matter which target's in your gunsight, the school, the hospital, the drug factory, or the enemy training camp. When you choose war, you accept the concequences. Ergo, the USA is no better than the terrorists.
The 15,000 figure only exists because of the Geneva Convention, which states that you MUST cound non-combatant deaths. If it weren't for that, I absolutely guarantee that we'd all have the impression that the innocent casualties were low. Not once have I ever heard the number mentioned on mainstream media.
Oh, and even if there was WMD in Iraq or links to 9-11, I'd still feel the same way.
Where was your sympathy when 300,000 Iraqi's died under Saddam and you did absolutely nothing to stop them?
Where was Donald Runsfeld? That's right, selling them the capability to conduct those slaughters. Personally, I'd have been in school myself at that time, making pictures out of macaroni and the like. Nowadays, I do stand up when I hear of injustice, like now.
WRT to charities, well stats are stats. My link to that page was meerly to illustrate to someone that the US wasn't the worlds most charitable nation. And I stand by on the comment about loans not being aid, your "Giving USA" group will likely be doing the same.
Please don't take me the wrong way. I used to love America. I still like the American people. However, your country is heading down a dark road that threatens us all. I'll do what I can to stop that, and if that means bitch-slapping some reality into someone, I hope you or they don't take it personally. The fundamental problem is that most Americans, having grown up around strong nationalistic propaganda, have a genuine belief that their country can do no wrong. The biggest question after 9-11 was "why do they hate us". I attempt to answer that in the hope that they will realise that their leaders are taking the good currency that was The American Dream, and pissing it up the river.
You need to step back from Hollywood and read some History. There are reasons people want to fly planes into buildings. I'd be calling for the blood of those who gave them that reason, but that would break away the "they hate freedom" mantra that has been so successful at keeping the citizenry in line.
The virgin birth was prophesied in the Old Testament. That's where it came from originally, the whole messiah == virgin mother thing.
a) Mary was a virgin when she conceived (Matt. 1:22)
b) Her conception came from the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18 & 22)
Now you can disagree with these facts if you want
THEY AREN'T FACTS. They are stories in a book; stores that can be PROVEN to have evolved over the years. Do you know how many of the gospel writers actually MET Jesus? One; Mark, written 40 years after the events described. The rest were written centuries later by others. The second gospel (can't remember which, Luke perhaps) is basically an embelished version of the gospel of Mark.
From someone else's post:
Which is pretty much my sentiments.
if you want to argue that Miracles don't happen, then you're not going to convince anyone who believes in anything supernatural (read anyone who is part of any faith).
I never said any such thing. See, that's the problem with most religious debates; it usually goes "agree with me entirely otherwise I won't listen to you."
I'm not saying there isn't a god. I'm not saying that he isn't the creator. What I am saying is that the bible is not gods word and if you believe it is (infallably) and persecute those who don't agree with you, then you are hellbound. Ironic, don't you think?
People who debate whether homosexuality is allowed because of interpretations of a 2000 year-old pass-me down collection of fables, translated through at least four languages are the morons. What, is King James right and Good News wrong? Why? Do you, as a man, feel confident enough to make that assertion?
I am 100% sure that if Jesus were real and around today, he would be APPAULED at the state of what his teachings had become. He would also be appauled at the riches of the church, but that's a different matter, and one more akin to the root of the problem here; mans corruption.
Neither do the religious types. Their explaination of whats happening now involved creation of the known universe in seven days, the earth being created before the sun, and women came from a spare rib. Oh, and lions and tigers don't need to eat prey when on an ark or following a flood.
and took a long hard look at where all the technology and laws are going and needed... to make "666" a reality.
If "666" ever comes around, it will be a religious person driving it, mark my word. Christians believe there will never be peace on earth until everyone is a Christian. And they are willing to kill those who disagree!
pay attention to what Isreal is doing... meaning, when you hear of them rebuilding the temple.
Certainally. If we do manage to nuke the world, my money is on Isreal or the USA kicking it off.
Being modded as troll, but he's right. If you disagree, trace the the origins of the revision of the bible and you will see. Prior to the translation from Latin (King James version), only the elite could read the scriptures. When they translated them, they were the sole purveuors of religious thought in the UK. They were also men, bound by the weaknesses of men. They left out entire sections that they disagreed with, e.g. the book of Mary. Men at that didn't believe women had a place other than in the kitchen.
Each translation was an attempt to make a bible for the local population, written with the current environment in mind. If the exact same people were to sit down and do a translation today, it would be vastly different. It scares me that most religious people aren't open to the fact there are several hundred different versions of the bible. The one their church uses is the correct one, and that's the end of the discussion as far as they are concerned.
Sounds like a story you'd hear on Jerry Springer!! ;-)
It's also a typo. In the original Hebrew, the word used meant "without child" or "young girl". Basically, "not a mother", nothing to do with "not had sex", or "a regular on slashdot". So, one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a translation error.
Makes you think...