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Star Wars Fans in Line... at the Wrong Theater

Rollie Hawk writes "More than a month before the premiere of Revenge of the Sith, fans are already lining up. Outside Grauman's Chinese Theater, eleven diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins) are waiting for tickets to go on sale. Unfortunately, it appears that the guys with girlfriends will have the last laugh as the Chinese Theater isn't even premiering the film."

618 comments

  1. Triumph by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can only imagine what Triumph the Insult Comic Dog would to have to say about this group.

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    1. Re:Triumph by shotgunefx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That segment was so damn funny.
      "Which one of these buttons calls your parents to pick you up?"

      Except for the LOTR kid. That was just kind of sad.

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    2. Re:Triumph by cablepokerface · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, in line for ages, pulling their own Chuck Norris Texas Ranger lever.

    3. Re:Triumph by TrippTDF · · Score: 4, Funny

      That reminds me- Remember the wizard that shows up in the clip of Triumph making fun of the Star Wars geeks? I was on the subway coming back from Coney Island one day last year (after the Mermaid Parade) and that guy was on the car with me

      All I could do was chuckle to myself while he read proclimations from scrolls.

    4. Re:Triumph by dr_dank · · Score: 0

      Yes that was Blackwolf the Dragon Master, NYC's unofficial wizard. As if the offical wizard of NYC will turn him into a newt for his presumptiousness.

      Best part? He got SAG credit for that appearance.

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    5. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What kills me about the "nerds" waiting in line for Star Wars prequels is they are such posers.

      When Empire came out, people waited in line days in advance because it was the only sure way to get in on opening night.

      Today, you can buy your tickets on-line in advance and show up just as the previews are starting. There is no reason to camp out for seats other than pretending to be as "hard core" of a fan as those who slept out for the original movies in '77, '80 and '83.

      Hey, you in the Jedi robes! Here's a clue: Real nerds will have already seen the illegal torrent file of the movie before you even get in the theater anyway. There's no geek-cred to be won simply by being the "first" to see the new movie, and all of the prequels are lame anyway. Go home and take a shower.

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    6. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except for the LOTR kid. That was just kind of sad.

      Blackwolf the Dragon Master was hilarious!

      Besides, as weirdness goes, that kid's quirks were relatively harmless. It's not like his wizard robes were made out of human skin or something.

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    7. Re:Triumph by TrippTDF · · Score: 2, Informative

      his homepage can be found here:

      Intro to Blackwolf's Dossier.

    8. Re:Triumph by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1, Funny

      Those Star Wars fans are alright...FOR ME TO POOP ON!

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    9. Re:Triumph by shotgunefx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      His part was funny at first until I realized, this kid will probably never get laid, EVER.

      Spock flipping them all of was pretty damn funny too.

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    10. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I dunno. He's excactly the sort of nerd who other nerds look up to. A sort of "alpha nerd" if you will. The more crazy and over-the-top a guy is, the more the "nerd-hags" (yes, just as "chubby chaser" men exist, so too do women who fetishize nerds) will tend to flock to him.

      I'm guessing he can get his share of wicca trim at a typical Ren Fest.

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    11. Re:Triumph by shotgunefx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope so for his sake. He's definitely an "alpha nerd".

      I dunno, a lot of "embarassing stuff" other people find funny, I don't because it's painful to watch. Almost like I'm doing it. Same with rage. I watch something were someone is screaming and my body gets all worked up like I was mad, but I'm not. I watch someone holding their breath underwater and my breathing just tapers off. Maybe I'm the weird one :)

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    12. Re:Triumph by first.last · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'll buy you a six-pack if you go tell them that in person.

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    13. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. "Bandwith exceeded". Oh noes!!!1

    14. Re:Triumph by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you are. In DC, the place to see it is the Uptown theater. Single huge screen, 1000+ seats, but a lot of them have crappy viewing angles. So, if you want a good seat for the opening show, you've got to camp a little bit. Although, usually no more than overnight.

      The bigger nuisance, if you are determined to go with a group on opening night, is that the ticketing web sites have been notoriously unable to handle the load. Half of our group missed Episode II because the web servers kept timing out, and by the time they got it, that show was sold out.

    15. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there was a study (which I saw a bit about on PBS... "Scientific American Frontiers" I think... anyway, the one with Alan Alda hosting it) which showed that when you watch somebody experience something, your brain reacts in almost exactly the same way as if you experienced it yourself.

      This function of the way our brains are wired is what allows us to feel empathy.

      The corollary to this phenomenon could also be the reason why voyeurs often become crossdressers.

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    16. Re:Triumph by Bozzio · · Score: 1
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    17. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 1

      Half of our group missed Episode II because the web servers kept timing out, and by the time they got it, that show was sold out.

      I wish the Fandango web site for Minnesota theaters did me the same favor. That's eight bucks and two hours of my life I'll never get back.

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    18. Re:Triumph by Digz · · Score: 1

      I think Orwell touched on this in "1984". Remember the Two Minutes Hate?

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    19. Re:Triumph by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      Same here. We have a kid in our group at work that is an alpha nerd type, he's no leader but his social skills are so lacking that it's just painful to listen to him talk sometimes.

      He feels the need to hold forth on such subjects as marriage by reciting misogynistic shit his dad has told him, and sometimes you just look at him and think, "where the fuck did that come from?" Then you think about the brainwashing that must have taken place at his house, then it's just depressing. I wish he'd quit.

    20. Re:Triumph by Refrag · · Score: 1

      What are you guys talking about? I've got to see it!

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    21. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Slashdot readership *is* that group.

    22. Re:Triumph by vurg · · Score: 1

      I like the part when Vader and the stormtrooper started dancing after the Star Wars wedding and you faintly hear "Oh my God!" coming from an audience member. I think Dragon Master still has a chance since he's young (also Mr. Jedi standing up to the challenge). Mr. Darth Vader voice and Col. Sanders/storm trooper, now that's something else.

    23. Re:Triumph by wwest4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So let me get this straight -- if you camp out because you must, you're a "real" nerd, and if you have time to do it out of a sense of nostalgia you're... what, cool? I can't think of anything nerdier than those dudes in the Triumph video. Modern-day Star Wars sidewalk campers are the benchmark standard for nerds everywhere.


      > There is no reason to camp out for seats other than pretending to be as "hard
      > core"


      Except, you know, because they want to socialize with Star Wars fans and play with lightsabers, and they think that's cool, despite the fact that it's not cool to the rest of us.

      News flash: "geek cred" is a worthless currency, and has been ever since the dot-com bubble burst. It's now back to just being an oxymoron. You've reached a crossroads: If there's a group deriving value and status from somthing that you deem worthless, and then you proceed to deride them for not sharing your sense of what's worth doing -- then congratulations, you're no longer a nerd. You're a cool person.

      > Go home and take a shower.

      If I stay home and torrent the prequels I already know I'm supposed to hate, why bother showering?

    24. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ouch. Sounds like I hit a nerve there. Would you care for a little Benzocaine?

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    25. Re:Triumph by fatwreckfan · · Score: 1

      Except that if you read the story you will see that they are handing out flyers for a charity (Starlight Starbright foundation I believe), so I think this is part nerddom, part publicity stunt. You can't buy that online.

    26. Re:Triumph by failure-man · · Score: 1

      Look on the bright side: at least it wasn't Matrices 2 or 3. Episode 2 has a few redeeming features. Like that scene when what's his face . . . . baby vader gets crushed by that giant tick cow thing. Funniest thing ever.

      I only regret that I wasn't drunk for that shit. Also that he did not, in fact, do anything like dying.

      I'll see Episode 3, but only in like the third week when the people who know it's gonna be a piece of shit go see it. That way I won't get smacked in the head with a lightsabre flashlight for making sarcastic remarks and laughing at "tragedy."

    27. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not being an ass, just being nitpicky

      Hey, don't sell yourself short. You can be both. :)

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    28. Re:Triumph by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to the article, these fans are more interested in standing in line than seeing the movie itself:

      "The telling thing is -- for me, at least -- if the film is not playing at the Chinese ... I have zero desire to see it at all," a fan who calls himself Obi Geewhyen posted on the message board at Liningup.net. "I'm in it for the lineup only and don't give a darn about the conclusion of this lackluster, so-called 'Star Wars' series."

      Ladies and Gentlemen, we have found the Comic Book Guy!

    29. Re:Triumph by cens0r · · Score: 1

      I had to stand in line to get tickets for episode 1. episode 2 i bought online, and plan to do the same for episode 3. However, if you want a good seat; you need to show up early. Showing up just as the previews start is a good way to sit in the corner seat on the front row. For episode 2 I got there between 7-8 and for the midnight show and ended up with a decent seat.

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    30. Re:Triumph by operagost · · Score: 1

      Yes, all we're missing is "Worst-- prequels -- EVER!"

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    31. Re:Triumph by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 1

      I saw both 'Empire' and 'Return' opening day, without waiting in any line. It wasn't the first showing of the day, but I didn't care; I was in school anyways, and I still got bragging rights.
      Saw 'Phantom' first day as well. Almost walked out during the opening scene, later wished I had. Didn't bother with 'Clones', don't think I'll bother with 'Revenge'. Why sully my childhood memories any more than they already have been?

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    32. Re:Triumph by billh · · Score: 1

      The seats with 'crappy viewing angles' at the Uptown are still better than most seats in other theaters. I watched LOTR from a seat on the far side of the theater, and after a couple of minutes I no longer noticed the difference.

      It will be a sad day when the Uptown closes. I drive more than an hour to see movies there.

    33. Re:Triumph by Surt · · Score: 1

      You made a good choice with clones, it was worse than phantom.

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    34. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get a boner just by typing "Matrices" don't you?

      There was only one matrix, so just type "The Matrix 2 or 3."

      Dork

    35. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're on a first name basis with the Star Wars movies? I'm not sure your childhood memories could be sullied any more than they already are.

    36. Re:Triumph by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 1
      No, RotS, will be the only good prequel. I saw the commerical and went... HOLY SHIT! The movie is going be awsome.

      I mean it's the downfall of the freaking Jedi order! Who doesn't want to see that. And who doesn't want to see a young Vader?

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    37. Re: Triumph by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      Given the soul-crushing epiphany you're facing upon the realization there's no single "credible" way to be a geek, you would do well to stash something stronger than benzo in your laptop bag.

    38. Re:Triumph by Felonious+Ham · · Score: 1

      I saw a program on Nova about this phenomenon. As I recall, there's some special "mirror neuron" in normal humans (as opposed the autistic, they speculate) that makes it easy for us to experience things vicariously, which also makes communication and learning much easier. Right up there with the show on dogs (dog/wolf relationship), I thought.

    39. Re:Triumph by Spankophile · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ouch. Sounds like I hit a nerve there.

      Nope. Sounds like you got fucking pwnxx03rd.

      ggnorekkthx.

    40. Re:Triumph by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Triumph (the insult comic dog) is a regular feature on Late Night with Conan O'Brien. One of the star wars clips is on ifilm and there's a link there to the other one.

      You will either laugh your ass off, or hate it. There's no middle ground.

    41. Re:Triumph by Keebler71 · · Score: 1

      Link to video.

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    42. Re:Triumph by Dirk+the+Daring · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't read the article until after I saw this snippit from the parent. I just had to verify it was in the article... "... a fan who calls himself Obi Geewhyen..." Folks, say it slowly, in syllables.

    43. Re:Triumph by darkmayo · · Score: 1

      If by opening scene you mean as soon as Jar Jar appeared then I agree fully.

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    44. Re:Triumph by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      So let me get this straight -- if you camp out because you must, you're a "real" nerd, and if you have time to do it out of a sense of nostalgia you're... what, cool?

      Not cool, no. I'd say it makes one a dork as opposed to a geek or nerd.

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    45. Re:Triumph by mopower70 · · Score: 1

      This function of the way our brains are wired is what allows us to feel empathy.

      Yeah? Tell that to Congress.

    46. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was bored silly during that segment (hate Triumph the Insult Dog) until Spock showed up to flip them all the bird. Now that was classic!

    47. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The good people at GoldenPalace.com would disagree.

    48. Re:Triumph by hikerhat · · Score: 1
      From tfa:

      "Even if it's not here, we'll just go see it somewhere else. We're not doing this just for the movie." Besides, she added, "What's the point of lining up at the ArcLight if someone is going to go online and get the best seat in the house?"

      Not all theaters sell tickets online.

    49. Re:Triumph by CFTM · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm the exact same way, well at least with certain things. Some situations, particularly when you know the outcome is just going to be painfully embarassing ... I can't watch at all. I have to turn it off because it makes me sick ... laughing at a bunch of fanboys who stand outside the wrong theatre for two months, that I can laugh my ass off because those people deserve it :)

    50. Re:Triumph by SirTalon42 · · Score: 1

      Our we the only two that realized that?

    51. Re:Triumph by tricops · · Score: 1

      I'm with you totally there. A lot of the "dumb" comedies, like Dumb and Dumber/etc, where they're just running around making complete asses of themselves.... I find funny, but I have a really hard time watching. I rarely watch movies like that on my own. I don't have as much of an issue with the other stuff though...

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    52. Re:Triumph by chrisnewbie · · Score: 1

      You know! someone's poser is always another one's posers.

      What do you think people think when they see someone that comes in when the preview are starting and he cant find a decent seat!

      they say! What a loser he'll be seated (or not) right under the screen or on either left side or right side where 2d has an all new meaning.

      i think i prefer to be the guy that comes in 4 hours in advance and get a decent seat for the premier of Star Wars than the LOSER who thinks he's the first to come in and annoys everyone because there is no more good seat left.

    53. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just wait a few days until the rush has died down and arrive at a sensible time, while experiencing little hassle....

      ...nah, makes too much sense!

    54. Re:Triumph by [cx] · · Score: 1

      Hey just cause I was looking in that ladies window doesn't mean I was looking at her clothes!

      Well maybe the black sweater..

    55. Re:Triumph by Mr.Progressive · · Score: 1

      Seriously, doesn't he better stuff to do? Like practicing his love with women all around the country?

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    56. Re:Triumph by DoctorHibbert · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing your were once a voyeur?

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    57. Re:Triumph by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      don't they have numbered seats in the US?

      Here in Buenos Aires. usually in the most popular cinemas the seats are numbered.. and wether you buy by internet, phone or at the cinema, you get to choose from those that are available (ie: not already sold).
      oddly this doesn't seem to avoid people running or lining up for entering the place, which is kind of idiotic... go figure

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    58. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y'know, I heard that about them on the Internets as well.

    59. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 1

      Where did you get those pictures, and how much will it cost to have the negatives destroyed? :P

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    60. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 1

      Nope. Most theaters in the US seat between about 50 and about 200 people, depending on the screen size, and it's all general-admission seating. Crowds in US theaters are simply not big enough to be a serious safety problem.

      I could see where it would be an issue if Argentina theaters show films in a massive stadium arrangement of some kind.

      After seeing footage of the band Rush playing a concert in a soccer stadium in Rio, I have this image in my head of most noteworthy events throughout South America being in gargantuan forums by North American standards, so forgive me if my perception does not match the reality.

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    61. Re:Triumph by Golias · · Score: 1

      No, RotS, will be the only good prequel. I saw the commerical and went... HOLY SHIT! The movie is going be awsome.

      Previews for "Attack of the Clones" looked impressive too, but what did we get?

      A flying-car chase which didn't even measure up to the unimpressive ones we already saw in "The 5th Element" and "Minority Report"

      R2D2 hovercrafting while C3PO is being tossed around like a rag doll in a really lame Charlie Chaplin homage

      Anikan blubbering about sand to set up the creepiest pick-up line in motion pictures since the "you've got a purdy mouth" scene in Deliverance

      Obi-wan getting his taint handed to him by some generic schmuck who's not only Boba Fett's dad, but just to make sure it's the most inbred storyline ever, the source material for the cloned stormtroopers.

      Some kind of cheezy gladiator scene which I don't remember much about other than Natalie Portman's bare mid-rift. ... actually, that scene was pretty good...

      Then a bunch of jedi standing in a circle getting shot at, and the Ultimate Jedi Master Yoda bouncing around like a pathetic rubber spider on a string, utterly failing to land a single blow on Palpatine's latest flunky.

      Lame fights, lame effects, lame acting, piss-poor cinematography. Awful in nearly every way.

      If Revenge of the Sith merely manages to avoid being the worst movie of our young new Century, it will have succeeded in being an improvement, but I'm not going to make the assumption that it will, simply based on a handful 2-second clips.

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    62. Re:Triumph by zrk · · Score: 1

      So THAT's why people download so much porn!

    63. Re:Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pwnxx03rd, ggnorekkthx?

      I thought I left this trash behind on the WoW message board... I hereby disown all you intarweb people.

    64. Re:Triumph by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 1

      You're on a first name basis with the Star Wars movies? I'm not sure your childhood memories could be sullied any more than they already are.

      At least the original trilogy didn't smear a bunch of Jar-Jar on me.

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    65. Re:Triumph by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      Well the image is accurate for big events like say (God forbid) Britney spears coming to Buenos Aires for a concert.

      But movies are something very different. There are many theaters in BA, and most seat between 70 and 200 people. Maybe theres still an old theater with more capacity somewhere, but itd be exceptional..

      Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of Village centers, two or three Hoyts, and things like that, which I believe have guidelines followed in every country they make business in. Most of these sell numbered tickets, but sometimes theres a movie for which they sell general-admission tickets. I dont know what determines which kind of tickets they sell in each case.

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    66. Re:Triumph by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Congresspeople are those who are born without that part of the brain, or have had it removed at some point, or are simply not human in the first place.

    67. Re:Triumph by aonifer · · Score: 1

      a fan who calls himself Obi Geewhyen

      Thus guaranteeing that is the only way he'll ever see one...

    68. Re:Triumph by stor · · Score: 1

      "Burger King, we're all Dragon Master's here"

      Cheers
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    69. Re:Triumph by timboc007 · · Score: 1
      His part was funny at first until I realized, this kid will probably never get laid, EVER.

      This from a slashdotter? That's rich!

    70. Re:Triumph by G-funk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What is it with americans and "oh-bee-gee-why-en"? Why cant you just say gynacologist like the rest of the world? Is it a dirty word in the states or something? It took me years to figure out wtf that word meant.

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    71. Re:Triumph by shotgunefx · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's because I had a girlfriend, before I was into computers :)

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    72. Re:Triumph by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      Comments about U.S. sexual repression aside (which I'd likely agree with), I think they're called "OBGYN" because they offer a number of services, part of which is Gynacology. But that's really just an educated guess.

    73. Re:Triumph by mink · · Score: 2, Informative
      OB./GYN. is Obstetrician/Gynacologist. Thats why it's used, because it actually is shorter to say then the whole thing.

      I found this on some site on the web:

      What is an OB/GYN

      An obstetrician is a physician who has successfully completed specialized education and training in the management of pregnancy, labor, and pueperium (the time-period directly following childbirth).

      A gynecologist is a physician who has a successfully completed specialized education and training in the health of the female reproductive system, including the diagnosis and treatment of disorders and diseases.

      Typically, the education and training for both fields occurs concurrently. Thus, an obstetrician/gynecologist is a physician specialist who provides medical and surgical care to women and has particular expertise in pregnancy, childbirth, and disorders of the reproductive system. This includes preventative care, prenatal care, detection of sexually transmitted diseases, Pap test screening, and family planning.

      An obstetrician/gynecologist, commonly abbreviated as OB/GYN, can serve as a primary physician and often serve as consultants to other physicians. OB/GYNs can have private practices, work in hospital or clinic settings, and maintain teaching positions at university hospitals. OB/GYNs may also work public health and preventive medicine administrations.

      OB/GYNs have a broad base of knowledge and can vary their professional focus. Many develop unique practices, providing high-quality health care for women. OB/GYNs may choose to specialize in the following areas:

      * Acute and chronic medical conditions
      * Adolescent gynecology
      * Behavioral problems
      * Cancer
      * Endocrinology
      * Health maintenance during pregnancy
      * Infertility
      * Operative gynecology
      * Pregnancy and delivery
      * Preventative health
      * Urinary tract disorders

      Education and Training Requirements
      The education and training requirements for obstetrics/gynecology are set by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ABOG) and include the following:

      * Graduation from an approved medical school
      * Completion of an OB/GYN residency program (minimum of 4 years in length) that is accredited by the American Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME)
      o Rotations divided between obstetrics, gynecology, gynecologic oncology, reproductive endocrinology, and ultrasonography
      o Experience in primary and preventive care role for the equivalent of at least 6 months of the residency, including inpatient and ambulatory care; diagnosis and management of breast disease and lower urinary tract dysfunction; performance and interpretation of diagnostic pelvic and transvaginal ultrasound
      o Increase in patient responsibility with each year of training
      o Serving as chief (senior) resident during final year of residency

      Board Certification
      Once the above requirements are met, physicians are allowed to take the certifying examinations given by ABOG. Physicians who pass the examination are granted board certified status in Obstetrics and Gynecology, a pre-requisite to subspecialty certification.

      If certified in obstetrics and gynecology after 1986, the physician must complete a recertification process every 10 years to maintain certified status. If certified before 1986, the physician can take a voluntary recertification process.

      Subspecialties
      There are four recognized subspecialties in the field of obstetrics/gynecology: gynecologic oncology, maternal/fetal medicine, reproductive endocrinology and infertility, and urogynecology/reconstructive pelvic surgery. Each subspecialty has its own certification exams administered by ABOG, and physicians can become certified in one or more of them. Certification is valid provided the primary certification in obstetrics and gynecology is up-to-date.

      * Gynecologic Oncology
      o Conce

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    74. Re:Triumph by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      The ones in the line that TRiump mocked weren't camping for tickets, they were camping for seats. And so far you cannot reserve a SEAT on the internet.

    75. Re:Triumph by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Damn, thats gotta be the most helpful damn slashdot comment i've ever seen. I'm impressed.

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    76. Re:Triumph by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      This is why things like The Office (Original UK, not the abysmal failure which was the US series) are funny yet painful at the same time, because you actually associate with the characters.

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  2. Suckers by chrispix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take that for not having a girl friend!

    1. Re:Suckers by Suhas · · Score: 2, Funny

      How can they be "Suckers" if they do not have a girlfriend.

      pssst... having a boyfriend, while technically correct, does not count.

    2. Re:Suckers by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      I've been suspecting this for years. Fandom itself is more important than the thing you're a fan of.

      People think geeks aren't social, but it's absolutely not the case. Why else would standing in line be more important than the thing you're standing in line for?

      TW

    3. Re:Suckers by mboverload · · Score: 0

      Geeks are social. Nerds are not. That's the main difference.

    4. Re:Suckers by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Although I love watching star wars, I would never be so crazy enough about it to queue 40 days early, just to be one of the first.

      I would rather spend some time with my wife, who has been abroad for two weeks on business. When she got back on Monday, we really enjoyed being back with each other.

      Even if someone GAVE me a ticket to watch Starwars on a preview, but would clash with the time my wife returns from her trip, i would not give up being with her.

      The way I look at it, Starwars is a plain story, a fantasy. She is real.. I know what I would prefer given the choice.

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    5. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your joke is too subtle or on the wrong level for the moderators. It could be informative, insightful, interesting, funny, overrated and flamebait all in one posting.

    6. Re:Suckers by compass46 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Geeks are social. Dorks are not social but good people. Nerds are not social and evil.

      Nerds are the Slashdotters who put on their D&D dungeon master rode to feel empowered as they post on Slashdot and call everyone else in the world losers but themselves. I like geeks and dorks, I can't stand nerds.

    7. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The way I look at it, Starwars is a plain story, a fantasy. She is real.. I know what I would prefer given the choice.

      Sure "she" is.

    8. Re:Suckers by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      >> ...would clash with the time my wife returns from her trip, i would not give up being with her.

      That, and he might need to spend the last few hours going over the house to make sure the girlfriend didn't leave any thing for the wife to find ;=]

    9. Re:Suckers by mboverload · · Score: 5, Interesting
      From Wikipedia:

      Pundits and observers dispute the relationship of the terms "nerd" and "geek" to one another. Some view the geek as a less technically skilled nerd. Some factions maintain that "nerds" have both technical skills and social competence, whereas "geeks" display technical skills while socially incompetent; others hold an exactly reversed view, with "geek" serving as the socially competent counterpart of the socially incompetent "nerd", and call themselves "geeks" with pride (compare Geekcorps, an organization that sends people with technical skills to Third World countries to assist in computer infrastructure development).

      Some regional differences may exist in the use of the words "nerd" and "geek". Some claim that on the North American west coast the population prefers the term "geek" to "nerd", while the North American east coast prefers the word "nerd" to "geek" (see Ellen Spertus's page on The Sexiest Geek Alive (http://www.mills.edu/ACAD_INFO/MCS/SPERTUS/Geek/) ). Others on the east coast dispute this, claiming that they have always found "nerd" used disparagingly and "geek" used in a positive light. In Britain, this latter view tends to apply -- "nerd" has more offensive connotations than "geek", which speakers of British English often use affectionately. Compare anorak.

      Nerd appeared earlier and at a time when being good at school was not seen as "cool". Therefore nerd is a derogatory word (although some people now consider it a compliment), while geek appeared later and has thus avoided many of the negative conotations. Geek is a milder version and is also applied to to people who are socially insignificant, while nerd is used more with people who are socially inept.

    10. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, the mods are too stupid or too n00b to get subtle jokes most of the time. Like this one.

    11. Re:Suckers by _Hellfire_ · · Score: 0

      I've always found the word "geek" to be much like the word "nigger".

      When used by members within the group it is a great compliment or is used as a bonding term. Compare one geek saying to another geek "You're such a geek :)" to a black person saying to another black person "Hey, what's up my nigger?". Much the same thing.

      It becomes disparaging when people outside the group say the same things. Compare when a white person calls a black person a "nigger" to the "cool group's" use of the word "geek" when referring to someone who is a member of the after school programming club (ie people who cannot call themselves part of the respective groups). It always reminds me of Jackie Chan's Rush Hour quote when he mimics Chris Tucker's friendly greeting of "Hey what's up my nigger" and nearly gets killed for it. Hilarious scene played for great effect by Chan's thick Chinese accent.

      As for the word "nerd" I find it even more offensive and my friends and I don't use it. I don't know if that's because I live in Australia or what. Then again I accept that a lot of other people don't find it offensive, hence Slashdot's slogan.

      I myself have always been proud to be a geek, and have always used the term complimentary to my (geek) friends. I tend to get very pissed off at non-geeks who use that term with me.

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    12. Re:Suckers by coopex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The word nerd was invented by Dr Seuss http://www.bartleby.com/61/32/N0063200.html

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    13. Re:Suckers by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      "Never be so crazy enough... to queue 40 days early..." "Rather spend time with my wife..." "Enjoyed being back with each other..." "Not give up being with her [for Star Wars]..." "Starwars is a plain story, a fantasy. She is real..."

      Guards, seize him! He's not one of us!

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    14. Re:Suckers by lgw · · Score: 1

      I think 'geek' and 'nerd' actually describe the same group these days, but 'geek' is an endearment and 'nerd' is an insult. It's more a matter of the emotion conveyed than the person described.

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    15. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When she got back on Monday, we really enjoyed being back with each other.

      Really? What's it like?

    16. Re:Suckers by Svet-Am · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I've always found the word "geek" to be much like the word "nigger".

      I've always found the word 'geek' as a synonym for 'to kill' but then I read a lot of Shadowrun as a youth.

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    17. Re:Suckers by nametaken · · Score: 1


      As a lvl 2k Chaotic Druid, I take offense to your comment, and will be summoning demons to eat your soul.

      Beware my 20 sided die, for my aim is sharp and my masturbation arm is strong!

      I'm just kidding. I'm with yah. My masturbation arm IS strong though.

    18. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's wonderful, good for you.

      Do you go on to paraplegic forums, when you're not here, and tell them how great walking is and how wheelchairs suck and you would walk, given the choice?

    19. Re:Suckers by wheany · · Score: 1

      EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    20. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought a geek was someone who bit the heads off of live chickens at carnivals?

    21. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "I myself have always been proud to be a geek, and have always used the term complimentary to my (geek) friends. I tend to get very pissed off at non-geeks who use that term with me."

      If you were really so proud to be a geek, you wouldn't get mad at the average person for aknowledging your geekiness. I walk into frat parties, go up, talk to girls and introduce myself as a nerd -- because I am (except that unlike most nerds I do seem to be able to get dates). You'd be surprised how many laughs I get for it -- laughs in a good way too. Why? Because I'm not ashamed of what I am. I'm proud to be smart and for a while back in high school I wasn't cuz of the stupid jocks, but then I realized that they don't matter.

      So to sum up my whole post -- if you're offended at being called a geek, then you have your own issues to work out and it's your problem, not theirs.

    22. Re:Suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you my Caucasian?

    23. Re:Suckers by leland242 · · Score: 1

      Obviously you didn't write this but, I would like to make a small correction.

      The word "geek" was used a long, long time ago (think 1800's) in the circus sideshows to describe someone who would bite the heads off chickens and snakes (etc).

    24. Re:Suckers by Holi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I've always thought it was a name for a circus freak who did bizarre acts, such as biting the head off of a live chicken.

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    25. Re:Suckers by Recovery1 · · Score: 1

      Not having a girlfriend?

      I was so shocked when my cousin, a huge DnD some card game like fanatic. he dragged me (reluctantly) to a truck stop where he and his friends all meet to play this card game. Of the 10 people there to play, 6 were girls. They were there because of their boyfriends, and one was there because she enjoyed the game. They were all active players too, not watching the game like I was. (The rules of the game were more confusing then Sendmail's configuration files.)

      Trust me, these nerds and geeks are doing very well.

    26. Re:Suckers by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 1
      The way I look at it, Starwars is a plain story, a fantasy. She is real.. I know what I would prefer given the choice

      You seem to be trying rather hard to rationalize all this.

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    27. Re:Suckers by sp0rk173 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not true. You've got the triad all wrong:

      A Geek is an engineer, or, barring that, one who obsessed with obtaining skill in something that really has no real world relevance, but sucks up time from interesting problems as a means of illusionary social superiority. These skills are mainly trivial, done by countless others, and are done in a way that collaboration is almost completely shunned. Examples are D&D, pseudo-religious flame wars (kind of like this), system administration, obtaining an MCSE, gaming, running debian, etc. This goes back to the Geeks of olde, circus geeks, who did horrifying and sometimes amazing acts that really had no utility outside of grossing people out and taking their money. As society has progressed the Geek personality has had to adapt, and now simply is the loner in his mom's basement who chats on IRC about how many bots he has running on his sid server while playing countless command-line MUDs, groaning about trolls and dice logistics. Help me out here dictionary:

      geek geek (g=ek), n.
      1. A performer in a carnival, often presented as a wild man, who performs grotesquely disgusting acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken or snake. PJCM
      2. Hence: Any eccentric or strange person; an oddball; an eccentric.

      The Dork is a more of a fun individual. He or She enjoys making people laugh and being the butt of many-a-jokes. They're fun to be around and generally amiable. When they're on, they're funny, when they're off, they're reserved.

      The Nerd, on the other hand, is your average scientist. They are reserved, hard-minded, generally nice, think-a-holics. They're open minded and realize all of the basic fundamental human truths instinctively. They find average pursuits boring and tedious, feel that they are generally socially inferior, but know it doesn't matter.

      Everyone has some combination of nerd/dork/geek in them. The main theme here, though, is social identity. Geeks think their "skills" make them socially superior to others. Dorks feel they are on the same level as everyone else. Nerds feel they are inferior, but realize it's all a crock of shit anyway. Your classic geek would be a Sports hero or a D&D player. Your classic Dork would be a comedian. Your classic Nerd would be a scientist. None of them are inherhently evil.

      During the 90's you computer people decided to take back the term Geek and adopt it in a way that it had never been used before. Now "hackers" are considered Geeks. Well, they're not, though their followers certainly are. Hackers are nerds. They love thinking about interesting problems, solving them, and sharing them. The entire hacker and open source culture is built on top of Nerdom. However, most of slashdot is awash in geeks. Followers who feel the need to tout their skills, chime in with some so-called insightful statement that is really just a rehash of things said over and over again in the community:

      "Competition is a Good Thing (tm)"
      "Free as in Freedom not free as in Beer"
      "Monopolies are Bad."
      Etc, etc etc...

      Infact, slashdot is built on the Geek model. That is, it's based on social advancement through subjective ratings, rather than pure openness and exchange of thoughts - be they flames or otherwise. It's trolls tend to be more insightful and commentative than it's serious posters, especially those post 600000 UID's. In other words - slashdot is designed, be it intentional or not, to bring out the worst element of the open source world - the Geek. The engineer that works in back rooms on a widget that his boss will then claim for his own. Owned by a company, building and toiling, giving shit back to society other than another magical product to pump to the masses, sold for more than it's really worth. But they're an engineer. That title makes them better than the rest of us! Or, they're a sys-admin or a dungeon master. All labels, titles that are created to make the individual feel superior in some meaningless way.

    28. Re:Suckers by milkman_matt · · Score: 1

      As a lvl 2k Chaotic Druid, I take offense to your comment, and will be summoning demons to eat your soul.

      A bit off topic, but I had to say it after reading up to "Druid" in your comment. I never watch SNL, but I did catch their nerd phone sex skit and it was godamned hillarious. Any one else catch this? ...hah, funny enough, maybe this IS on topic ;)

    29. Re:Suckers by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Some view the geek as a less technically skilled nerd.

      I didn't know it took much technical skill to bite the heads off chickens. Are geeks ranked by how clean the bite is, and the amount of blood? Or is it more to do with style and artistic elements of the performance?

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    30. Re:Suckers by The+Mathinator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      10-6=4

      If only one of the 6 was there because she enjoyed the game, then the other 5 were 'there because of their boyfriends'. By the pigeonhole principle, at least one nerd/geek must be doing very well indeed.

    31. Re:Suckers by Recovery1 · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha.. Funny

      I can't remember why, but a couple of their teammates (or whatever they are in this game) were missing or something at the time. When I said they were "there because of their boyfriends" I didn't mean that applied literally to this situation. I meant they were into this game because of them. And then there was the issue that there was missing players as well, etc..

      Go figure... (Sorry, I couldn't resist that bad pun)

  3. HA! by 2.7182 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's funnier than any joke I could attempt to post here!

    1. Re:HA! by madprof · · Score: 0

      There truly is a god. It's easily the funniest thing I've read all week.

  4. Too bad by Jauz · · Score: 1, Troll

    Sounds like someone needs a life.

    1. Re:Too bad by Jauz · · Score: 1

      Really... The mere fact that you responded ... ehh, I won't go there. Putz...

  5. Not virgins... by Flaming+Foobar · · Score: 4, Funny

    You are confusing Star Wars fans with Slashdot posters. I know quite a few female SW fans. Many of them even have kids.

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    1. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know quite a few female SW fans.

      OK, but are they rabid enough to queue up 46 days early?

      As it happens, though, the article implies one of them's a girl.

    2. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, they had to do something while waiting in line.

    3. Re:Not virgins... by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      I know quite a few female SW fans. Many of them even have kids.

      Hell, quite a night when you play Luke for your gal while she playing Leia :] Just hope your kids won't be wookiee rookies, 'cause you'll have to slash the mailman :) Well, tastes, tastes :)

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    4. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell, quite a night when you play Luke for your gal while she playing Leia :]

      Um, you have incest fantasies? Ewww.

    5. Re:Not virgins... by flibble-san · · Score: 0

      Immaculate conception?

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    6. Re:Not virgins... by Hinhule · · Score: 0

      Let me guess football players taking one for the team have got something to do with this. ;)

    7. Re:Not virgins... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're nerds, and we're geeks. There's a difference ya know!

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    8. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Dude come on. These people are lining up 1 month in advance. 1 month of their lives wasted just so they can see a movie before 98% of the rest of the population. You really think they have kids?

    9. Re:Not virgins... by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Informative
      Completely off-topic (and pedantic) here, but "Immaculate conception" does not refer to a conception that takes place without sex, and is only related to the doctrine of Virgin Birth vaguely.

      The conception of Jesus was not the "immaculate conception"; the conception of Mary was; even though she was conceived through normal means, the Catholic Church decided that she'd been given a singular gift of Grace, making her the only person ever born without the stain of Original Sin, to explain how she could possibly be a suitable vessel for Jesus before he died to forgive that sin.

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    10. Re:Not virgins... by jd142 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does this mean the parent is a religion geek?

      And does this mean the Catholic Church made the first and most widely spread retcon?

    11. Re:Not virgins... by laplandsix · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you're thinking of the immaculate reception a fine bit of Steelers lore. Hmmmm, wait I'm on slashdot, they don't do chicks OR sports. Damn.

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    12. Re:Not virgins... by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, quite a night when you play Luke for your gal while she playing Leia

      What people do at home is their own business.

      Hopefully your self-esteem can handle it when she asks you, "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?"

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    13. Re:Not virgins... by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      I know quite a few female SW fans. Many of them even have kids.

      That still doesn't prove they are not virgins.

    14. Re:Not virgins... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're not a nerd? Then what are you doing on slashdot?
      It's "news for nerds", not "news for geeks"! :-)

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    15. Re:Not virgins... by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 1

      The conception of Jesus was not the "immaculate conception"; the conception of Mary was.......

      Blah blah blah. Like they say...

      Hehehe :)

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    16. Re:Not virgins... by pympdaddyc · · Score: 1

      I sat in on a rather long argument between a Catholic and a protestant (Lutheran? Presbyterian? I don't remember) about this.

      As it turns out, the meaning of "Immaculate conception" is very dependent on which Christian sect you are in. The definition you gave is the Catholic one (and presumably Episcopalians and a few others share it).

    17. Re:Not virgins... by blakespot · · Score: 1
      I would not mind dressin someone up in this...

      http://www.swchick.com/costume_slave.htm ...and doing a little playing, I can say with much certainty.


      blakespot

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    18. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Informative
      "Immaculate conception" does not refer to a conception that takes place without sex, and is only related to the doctrine of Virgin Birth vaguely.

      It's also a typo. In the original Hebrew, the word used meant "without child" or "young girl". Basically, "not a mother", nothing to do with "not had sex", or "a regular on slashdot". So, one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a translation error.

      Makes you think...

    19. Re:Not virgins... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Hell, quite a night when you play Luke for your gal while she playing Leia

      What people do at home is their own business.

      True, but hopefully anyone who is a big enough fan would have already realized that they are siblings, so they're just role-playing at that -- which is kinda wierd.
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    20. Re:Not virgins... by Digz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really.. "Alma" can refer to either a virgin or a young woman.. The passage in Isaiah was relevant to the contemporaries in that a young woman did give birth and fulfilled that specific prophecy, but also as a foreshadowing of the Messiah.. Just as Gen 3:15 refers to enmity between "the woman's seed" and the serpent..

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    21. Re:Not virgins... by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      Well, considering it's a technical term of Catholic theology (and not, as a poster below suggests, a biblical misunderstanding; the Bible may or may not suggest that Mary was a virgin or a young girl, but it certainly doesn't say anything about the details of the mechanics of Original Sin or anything else a bunch of monks who read too much Aristotle came up with), I'd assume that any recent appropriation of the term by Protestants to describe the virgin birth is probably a misunderstanding.

      I mean, you could just as easily say that "begging the question" has two meanings, depending on whether you're smart or not. Of course, the fact that one of them is a widely-used misuse of the term doesn't necessarily make it correct usage.

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    22. Re:Not virgins... by quetzlcoatl · · Score: 1
      That would explain reports of the parent camping out in front of a church two weeks prior to mass.

      Sadly, as it was a Lutheran church, they won't be presenting said mass.

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    23. Re:Not virgins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those "translation errors" are all deliberate. ALL OF THEM. We're talking about some of the most learned people of their age making these translations, and they're not doing it in a void. They knew exactly what kind of spin they wanted to put on the bible and they disguised their tampering as translation. Witness all the more recent edits to the bible. If that's the word of God, all you people are going to hell for following a deliberately manipulated version of the Word.

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    24. Re:Not virgins... by metlin · · Score: 1

      You are aware that you can sue the pope for bastardy, right?

      Even though it may not mean much today, it is quite possible - and would have been something had someone done so in the 70s or something.

    25. Re:Not virgins... by benw1979 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not a typo; you just didn't finish the story.

      Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

    26. Re:Not virgins... by Flounder · · Score: 1
      I miss the old days, when a quarterback could throw a pass into the back of an opposing player, and it would STILL get caught and run in for the touchdown.

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    27. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Holy spirit my ass, she didn't hear the line that goes "No ding ding before the wedding ring."

    28. Re:Not virgins... by fenris_23 · · Score: 1

      What else are they supposed to do while waiting in line for three days?

    29. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1, Troll
      There is nothing in the text to indicate it is a "foreshadowing" of the messiah. Ahaz was told that he would receive a sign, and Isaiah 7:14 was that sign. That was what this section was about, not a future messiah. What does a guy born 600 years later have to do with Ahaz? Nothing.

      And as usual, christians ignore the context. Just look at verse 16:

      For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad "and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."

      Did this happened in JC's lifetime? Nope.

      If you actually study the history of Ahaz (the King Isaiah made the prophecy FOR), you'll learn that the two kings were Rezin and Pekah.

      Israel had been invaded by Assyria. Ahaz was king of Judah, at this crisis refused to co-operate with the kings of Israel and Syria in opposition to the Assyrians. He was attacked and defeated by Rezin of Damascus and Pekah of Samaria (2 Kings 16:5; 2 Chr. 28:5, 6).

      THIS is what Ahaz was worried about and THIS is what Isaiah's prophecy was about -- the two kings -- Rezin and Pekah.

      Not virgin births.

      Read of II Kings (16:9) and you'll see that Isaiah's prophecy in 7 is fulfilled:

      "And seized it and exiled its inhabitants to Kir, and he slew Rezin," and in that very year (ibid. 15: 30), "Hoshea the son of Elah revolted against Pekah the son of Remaliah, and he struck him and slew him... in the twentieth year of Jotham,"

    30. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In the original Hebrew of... the New Testament?

      Go to bed before you hurt yourself.

    31. Re:Not virgins... by fritz1968 · · Score: 2, Funny


      Hopefully your self-esteem can handle it when she asks you, "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?"


      Or it could get worse! "she" could make a comment along the lines of:

      I see that your schwarz is as big as mine!

      oh! wait a minute... wrong movie! Sorry about that. Nothing to see here... move along... move along.

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    32. Re:Not virgins... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      The Catholic Church, actually Christianity, *IS* retcon. See: Zorastrianism, Hercules Myth, Judaism.

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    33. Re:Not virgins... by russint · · Score: 1

      There is no pope

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    34. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, quite a night when you play Luke for your gal while she playing Leia

      Aren't they brother and sister? Excuse me while I through up.

    35. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

      Sounds like a story you'd hear on Jerry Springer!! ;-)

    36. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That assumes there is only one fulfillment to a prophecy. There have been many instances of double-meaning prophecy in the Bible... meanings that even the prophet isn't necessarily aware of (and Isaiah probably was not, in this instance).

      Interpreting prophecy is a very hit-and-miss chore because the prophet doesn't have all the details or the timeline. He simply says to say what God says or tries to explain the things that he sees. In this case, I'd say that God is throwing a little long-term reference into a hard and fast short-term prophecy/fullfillment. The long-term reference is not at all the point of this prophecy, but it's still there.

      I personally shy away from attempting to interpret prophecy, especially that in Revelation. Prophecy is often more about the what (In the end, God reigns and Christians are in Heaven) as opposed to the how or when (first X happens, and then Y happens, and then Z 3 years later, etc).

    37. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      ok, but as i said before, there is nothing indicating that this is also a long time prophecy. and also, 7:16 was also fulfilled, and was not fulfilled bu JC.

      And all this is moot anyway, since the hewbrew word there does not denote viriginity. It means "young woman", and nothing more. If Isaiah had wanted it to denote virginity, he would have used the hebrew word "betulah", not "almah."

    38. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, then why do catholics refer to her as "The Blessed Virgin" and "Virgin Mary"?

    39. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We're talking about some of the most learned people of their age making these translations, and they're not doing it in a void. They knew exactly what kind of spin they wanted to put on the bible and they disguised their tampering as translation.

      Being modded as troll, but he's right. If you disagree, trace the the origins of the revision of the bible and you will see. Prior to the translation from Latin (King James version), only the elite could read the scriptures. When they translated them, they were the sole purveuors of religious thought in the UK. They were also men, bound by the weaknesses of men. They left out entire sections that they disagreed with, e.g. the book of Mary. Men at that didn't believe women had a place other than in the kitchen.

      Each translation was an attempt to make a bible for the local population, written with the current environment in mind. If the exact same people were to sit down and do a translation today, it would be vastly different. It scares me that most religious people aren't open to the fact there are several hundred different versions of the bible. The one their church uses is the correct one, and that's the end of the discussion as far as they are concerned.

    40. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmm... weren't they brother and sister?

    41. Re:Not virgins... by Adelbert · · Score: 1
      There is no pope

      Didn't Neo say that in the Matrix?

    42. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First question: no, it just means he was brought up Catholic. We all know that, even the ex-catholics.

      Second question, yes.

    43. Re:Not virgins... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      the Catholic Church decided that she'd been given a singular gift of Grace, making her the only person ever born without the stain of Original Sin, to explain how she could possibly be a suitable vessel for Jesus before he died to forgive that sin.

      I guess in order to be a suitable vessel for Mary, her mother would have to be born without the stain of Original Sin as well... and her grandmother... HER mother... her mother's mother... etc...

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    44. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: not "cornerstone of Christianity," but rather "one part of the traditionalist dogma of the Roman Catholic Church."

      Don't lump my Lutheranism in with those heathens :)

    45. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...most widely spread retcon?

      No, that would be the goatse--oh, sorry, you said retcon.

    46. Re:Not virgins... by toolshed7 · · Score: 1

      God help us, God help us all, if they multiple.

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    47. Re:Not virgins... by Mazurbul · · Score: 1

      You're a moron.

      Besides the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek and handwritten the Bible is clear that:

      a) Mary was a virgin when she conceived (Matt. 1:22)
      b) Her conception came from the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18 & 22)

      Now you can disagree with these facts if you want, but you can't come up with one shred of historical evidence to back up your disagreement.

      And if you want to argue that Miracles don't happen, then you're not going to convince anyone who believes in anything supernatural (read anyone who is part of any faith).

    48. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The New Testament, unlike the Old, was originally written in Greek and Aramaic, not Hebrew... therefore one of the cornersontes of your argument is based on an error.

      Makes you think...

    49. Re:Not virgins... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      And does this mean the Catholic Church made the first and most widely spread retcon?

      The Passion play is clearly LARPing.

    50. Re:Not virgins... by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      In the original Hebrew of... the New Testament?

      Perhaps it somehow escaped your notice but Jesus and most of his original followers, ie the people who would have been writing down the first version of what would eventually become the new testament, were jewish.

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    51. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Besides the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek and handwritten the Bible is clear that:

      The virgin birth was prophesied in the Old Testament. That's where it came from originally, the whole messiah == virgin mother thing.

      a) Mary was a virgin when she conceived (Matt. 1:22)

      b) Her conception came from the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18 & 22)

      Now you can disagree with these facts if you want

      THEY AREN'T FACTS. They are stories in a book; stores that can be PROVEN to have evolved over the years. Do you know how many of the gospel writers actually MET Jesus? One; Mark, written 40 years after the events described. The rest were written centuries later by others. The second gospel (can't remember which, Luke perhaps) is basically an embelished version of the gospel of Mark.

      From someone else's post:

      I find it funny that the first gospel written (Mark) doesn't make any mention of a "virgin birth" or an ascension to heaven after he resurrected (Mark contains the ascension now, but that was an admitted later addition to the gospel.) Mark protrays a very human messiah.

      Contrast that with John, the last gosepl written, and you have a demi-god incarnate born of a virgin, who ascends to heaven after he is resurrected.

      Don't you see how the story evolved over time and people began to embellish?

      Which is pretty much my sentiments.

      if you want to argue that Miracles don't happen, then you're not going to convince anyone who believes in anything supernatural (read anyone who is part of any faith).

      I never said any such thing. See, that's the problem with most religious debates; it usually goes "agree with me entirely otherwise I won't listen to you."

      I'm not saying there isn't a god. I'm not saying that he isn't the creator. What I am saying is that the bible is not gods word and if you believe it is (infallably) and persecute those who don't agree with you, then you are hellbound. Ironic, don't you think?

      People who debate whether homosexuality is allowed because of interpretations of a 2000 year-old pass-me down collection of fables, translated through at least four languages are the morons. What, is King James right and Good News wrong? Why? Do you, as a man, feel confident enough to make that assertion?

      I am 100% sure that if Jesus were real and around today, he would be APPAULED at the state of what his teachings had become. He would also be appauled at the riches of the church, but that's a different matter, and one more akin to the root of the problem here; mans corruption.

    52. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's that word, again.

    53. Re:Not virgins... by CFTM · · Score: 1

      Give me my tinfoil hat because I doubt Franco actually caught that ball ... that shit had to have hit the ground, then again I hate the Steelers [I'm a Browns fan...] wait a minute, I'm writing this post thinking someone besides me is actually going to car ... how silly I am :)

    54. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So, one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a translation error."

      Oh, yeah, sure. Only one. Um, . . . the entire Bible is a translation error.

    55. Re:Not virgins... by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Actually, I wasn't brought up Catholic, or even Christian. I'm just a pedant.

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    56. Re:Not virgins... by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      Umm, because they also believe she was a virgin, which is completely unrelated to the belief that she was born without Original Sin.

      The Immaculate Conception doctrine came quite a bit after the Virgin Birth doctrine (which, as has been mentioned by other posters, is of biblical origin), as did the Catholic doctrine that Mary's hymen wasn't perforated by giving birth, and that she never had any other children (a definite retcon, that last one).

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    57. Re:Not virgins... by Samrobb · · Score: 1
      And all this is moot anyway, since the hewbrew word there does not denote viriginity. It means "young woman", and nothing more.

      It definitely implies virginity. There are only 7 references to 'almah' in the OT, and four of those uses (Gen 24:43, Ex 2:8, Song 1:3, Song 6:8) refer to a "young woman" in a way that implies sexual innocence - someone who may be sexually experienced, but is generally assumed to be virginal; as one reference puts it, "the word clearly denotes a young woman who is not married but is of marriageable age... It is important to remember that in the Bible, a young Jewish woman of marriageable age was presumed to be chaste."

      It's worth noting that the Septuagint translates "almah" in Isaiah 7:16 using "parthenos"; so, at least in some sense, the Alexandria Jews who translated the OT scriptures into Greek thought that the proper translation of "almah" in this case was, indeed, "virgin".

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    58. Re:Not virgins... by coronaride · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Men at that didn't believe women had a place other than in the kitchen.

      Simply not true...and if you had actually read the Bible (in particularly, the Gospels) you would have seen that this was not true.

      From the Gospel of Luke:

      "As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. 40But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!"
      41"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, 42but only one thing is needed.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." "

      I mean, really, if all that the men were about were making sure that women stayed in the kitchen, wouldn't they have had a little bit more creativity here? Jesus would have told Martha that she was absolutely right and that Mary should get her lazy butt into the kitchen to help with preparing the food.

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    59. Re:Not virgins... by coronaride · · Score: 1

      Don't you see how the story evolved over time and people began to embellish?

      I responded to another one of your errant posts earlier on in the thread. What you're saying here is that a story with a different focus constitutes embellishment. Have you ever found it interesting that there are four gospels and not one? Do you have any idea why? It's because each writer was focusing on different aspects of the story. Why would they do this? Simple - their audiences weren't the same.

      Each Gospel has a basic set of facts - namely, that Jesus Christ is the son of God, who was sent to redeem humans by dying and then raising from the dead. That's the gist. What you are saying is that because the gospels don't have the same exact stories in the same exact orders that it completely invalidates everything. It is simply incorrect to assume that. If you take four people and have them observe a series of events in a person's life for three years, I would bet you a million dollars that there are going to be some differences. Some might observe things that were very factual. Some might only write down things that he/she felt would be relatable by their readers. Some might capture the feelings that the person experienced. It wouldn't make any sense to have the same story word for word four times in a row.

      I am 100% sure that if Jesus were real and around today, he would be APPAULED at the state of what his teachings had become. He would also be appauled at the riches of the church, but that's a different matter, and one more akin to the root of the problem here; mans corruption.

      AP-PAUL-ED? Is that a pun? Anyhow, Jesus might be appalled. I am curious though as to why you would think that if you think that his teachings are just a bunch of fables. Anyhow, the gospels clearly show that Jesus is a quite complicated entity. He was extremely upset with the money changers at the temple. I would relate this to Benny Hinn...every time I flip by his show on TBN I swear I think that I'm going to see God strike him down with lightning. In the same token, Jesus had extreme compassion on those whose heart was right. It didn't matter if they were successful (Levi, the tax collector) or not (the widow who donated her last shekel), if their hearts were following Him, then it was enough.

      Have Jesus' teachings become corrupt? I would say in some cases yes..I would say in other cases no.

      People who debate whether homosexuality is allowed because of interpretations of a 2000 year-old pass-me down collection of fables, translated through at least four languages are the morons. I would supercede this by saying that people who dwell too much on the subject of homosexuality and let this become a dividing point for them are the true morons..

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    60. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1

      But you're assuming the NT is right. I tend to ignore "holy books" that contract the jewish bible left and right.

    61. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      There are more than 4 gospels. There are literally hundreds of them. When the council of nicea formed the NT canon, they simply chose the ones that seemed to all work together.

      Ever read the gospel of James? It says that James (not JC) gave the sermon on the mount. quite interesting.

      all the council did was take hundreds of contradictory gospels and pieced together the ones that contradicted each other the least

    62. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Hebrew bible (old testmanet) was written in hebrew and aramaic, but mostly hebrew. The NT was written completely in greek.

    63. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      Couple of problems here. First, almah does not imply virginity. It has nothing to do with sexual experience whatsoever. It denotes age only. Back then, people got married very young. 13 and 14 years old getting married were common. A 14 year old wife would definitely be an almah, but would not be a virgin (betulah.) If the point of this passage was to stress virginity, Isaiah would have used the word that always means virgin - betulah.

      Second, we know that a group of Rabbis translated the Torah into greek, and that was the foundation of the Septuagint. History is silent on who translated the rest - it could have been rabbis, assimilated jews, non-jews, etc.

      And regardless, despite what you may have read, parthenos does not mean "virgin." After Dinah was raped, she was called a "parthenos" int he Septuagint. Was she a virgin? Absolutely not. That shows us that parthenos also does not mean virgin.

      I don't know where you christians get your info from regarding the meanings of various hebrew and greek words, but it's always amusing. Sometimes i think people just make it up as they go along, or deliberately lie about it.

    64. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1

      That's great and all, but it doesnt change the fact that there is no evidence of any hebrew copied of the NT, only greek ones. It's hard to believe that they even read hebrew, because most of the times they quote from the Hebrew Bible, they quoten a bad translation from the Septuagint, and not the original hebrew.

    65. Re:Not virgins... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      I'm not a biblical scholar so if anyone presents evidence to the contrary i'll believe it. However even if the first version that was actually refered to as the new testament was written in greek or aramaic i suspect that at least some of the documents it was based on were originally written in hebrew.

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    66. Re:Not virgins... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Well, the way I see it, "nerd" is derived from a nonsense word coined by Dr Seuss, whereas "geek" is of course derived from a deeply distrubing carnival act.

      So to me, nerd is well loved and cute, while geek is ... how can I put it ... "edgy". (Sorry Wil!)

      So I'm a geek.

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    67. Re:Not virgins... by biglig2 · · Score: 1
      and because I really am a geek, I will point out that "geek" is in fact much older than the carnival act; as with so many words and phrases we consider modern, Shakespear used it. Which makes it 348 years older than "nerd", so I win!


      MALVOLIO.
      Lady, you have. Pray you peruse that letter:
      You must not now deny it is your hand,
      Write from it, if you can, in hand or phrase;
      Or say 'tis not your seal, not your invention:
      You can say none of this. Well, grant it then,
      And tell me, in the modesty of honour,
      Why you have given me such clear lights of favour;
      Bade me come smiling and cross-garter'd to you;
      To put on yellow stockings, and to frown
      Upon Sir Toby and the lighter people:
      And, acting this in an obedient hope,
      Why have you suffer'd me to be imprison'd,
      Kept in a dark house, visited by the priest,
      And made the most notorious geck and gull
      That e'er invention played on? tell me why.

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    68. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deliberate Maybe.... but your post is not quite so accurate.

      The text in the Hebrew Bible that "foreshadows" the messiah used the Hebrew word "almah" which best translates into english as "young woman". One possible source of the error is that the translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek (the Septuagint) couldn't handle this word correctly. In Ancient Greek, there was not a strong linguistic distinction between a young woman and a virgin. Thus, the Greek word chosen to translate the Hebrew was equivalent to a "virgin". The New Testament picked up on this and ran with it. Most if not all Christian texts will have the word virgin in the Old Testament, where it should say young woman. There is considerable resistance to changing the wording, because this would significantly undermine a good peice of the circumstantial evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah.

    69. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      So even though there is ZERO evidence to support the fact that it was written in hebrew, you're going to believe it anyway?

      wow, if that doesn't exemplify the typical mindset of a christian....

    70. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      Thus, the Greek word chosen to translate the Hebrew was equivalent to a "virgin".

      That's not entirely true, as I pointed out elsewhere. The greek word they translated it to is "parthenos." Dinah was called a "parthenos" after her rape. Was she a virgin? Absolutely not.

    71. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Christians will recommend using multiple translations to get a complete understanding and actually the protestant movement started when an elite person who could read the scriptures (Martin Luther) decided that he wanted to be free of the original catholic spin they were putting on it (what spin he put into is up for debate). So people don't always put up with the spin in it. Also I have heard this virgin mistranslation error and it is often toted as proof against the Bible but it is only mentioned by people who mindlessly repeat what they hear from others and don't actually read the Bible. Let me quote from my convenient nkjv Bible on my desk (the angel just told mary that she was going to have a son) Luke 1:34: "Then Mary said to the angel, "how can this be, since I do not know a man?" (as you probably have heard (from the numerous jokes) that she means have had sex". Matthew 1:18: "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betgrothed to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, she was found to be with child OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man and not wanting to make her a public example was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream saying "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit". So yeah....(btw there was a pretty sever punishment for adultery back then so he was going to divorce her so she wouldn't be punished if you didn't catch that). I'm all for arguing the validity of the Bible but don't repeat random crap like that. Also the creation of the Bible is kind of unnerving (even to Christians...I don't know many Christians that haven't doubted the validity of it at some point) but I would look up some Van Til books and read them if you want to know more....Cheers.

    72. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. 40But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!" 41"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, 42but only one thing is needed.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." "

      That's pretty weak though, just one example, and the teaching you could take from is that earthly pursuits are not as important as spirtual ones. Nothing about women not belonging in the kitchen! ;-) There are countless example of women not being treated equally in the bible. Out of curiosity, did the unmarried men who weren't virgins get stonings? I'm not sure on that.

      I'm not saying they rewrote it. But it was spun to conform with the times.

    73. Re:Not virgins... by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I've heard this argument before... it's interesting, but it's not what's been shown to be true. I'll need to reach for some sources here...

      There are 5,000+ unique manuscripts of the new testament, dated to between 50 to 225 years after the NT was written. So no, it wasn't spread by word of mouth for 1,000 years and got corrupted that way. According to this source and numerous studies, based on just the new testament, 5,000 different (greek!) manuscripts corroborate to an accurancy of 99.5%. (Strobel, Lee. The Case for Christ (Zondervan Publishing House, 1998), p. 83-85). Feel free to take an issue with that.

      They were also men, bound by the weaknesses of men.

      Agreed, of course. Men aren't perfect. But the book of Mary wasn't even written by Mary, nor could it have been proven to be true. All of the books in the modern bible have been corroborated -- hundreds of separate manuscripts... not decided by committee. See The Da Vinci Deception by Erwin W. Lutzer.

      Each translation was an attempt to make a bible for the local population, written with the current environment in mind. If the exact same people were to sit down and do a translation today, it would be vastly different.

      It would only be different in the sense that the words they would come out with from the original Greek translations would be different. There are a few dozen different versions of the Bible out right now. Some a sixth grader could read. Some I can't read aloud. Some have had the modern language applied to them. When you have greek words that can turn in ways more subtle than the modern English language (you know, like how eros, agape, and philia all mean "love", but agape is far more encompassing), that's going to happen.

      It scares me that most religious people aren't open to the fact there are several hundred different versions of the bible. The one their church uses is the correct one, and that's the end of the discussion as far as they are concerned.

      I have a preferred version, but I have a couple of others as well. Yes, the Wisconsin Synod of the Lutheran Church uses solely the King James Bible, as far as I know. There's no biblical precedent for that, nor do I recommend it, and it is dangerously narrow-minded.

      But there is also a difference between using just one Bible and going to another source (the Book of Thomas, the Book of Mary, the Apocrypha) that may not be as "proven" (through the manuscripts of old) as the 62 books that are there.

      Keep in mind there is nothing banning you from reading any of those books. There may even be parts that are helpful to you in the study of 1st century Judaism! They just aren't counted as "the inspired Word of God", given that some of the parables related in those books are clearly unbelievable (as opposed to the corroborated (I cannot emphasize that enough) miracles in the Gospels).

    74. Re:Not virgins... by coronaride · · Score: 1

      That's pretty weak though, just one example

      Would you like more? Actually..more specifically..how many examples would be enough? 10, 20, 40? There are plenty, but I doubt that any number that I gave you would change your mind.

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    75. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 1
      Some interesting notes on the Septuagint and early corruption:

      Origen, an early church father (circa 325 CE) tried to piece together a decent translation by putting 6 different versions side by side (called the Hexapla). Here is what HE says about how bad the Septuagint had become "

      Quote: we are forthwith to reject as spurious the copies in use in our Churches, and enjoin the brotherhood to put away the sacred books current among them, and to coax the Jews, and persuade them to give us copies which shall be untampered with, and free from forgery!" Origen, A Letter from Origen to Africanus, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 4.]

      St. Jerome (early 5th century) decided to re-translate from the MT rather than rely on the Septuagint saying: Quote: "I was stimulated to undertake the task by the zeal of Origen, who blended (the Septuagint) with the old edition Theodotion's translation"

      So Jerome is saying that the "Septuagint" had already been blended with Theodotion's translation by Origen.

      Jerome continues in a letter Quote: "the Seventy (aka Septuagint) have said more than is found in the Hebrew. But the asterisks indicate what has been added by Origen from the version of Theodotion. "

      This reconfirms that what was called the Septuagint by the 5th century CE was NOT the Septuagint as written 300 BCE. It had been highly modified by many . . .whether with good intentions or bad. My point is simply that the Septuagint is unreliable in its current state because we do not possess any copies of the original translation(s).

      The website with the Jerome letters goes on to say "The copies of the Septuagint then widely available, according to Jerome, were actually Origen's redaction - and perhaps the editorial symbols that would have allowed one to locate the true Septuagint reading were missing from many of the copies in the libraries. "

      Origen's reconstruction of the Septuagint was thought necessary, apparently, because of the diversity of readings in the many copies in circulation. In fact, in addition to Origen's version, two other recensions of the Septuagint were prepared early in the fourth century: one by Lucian of Antioch, and the other by Hesychius of Egypt.

      Now -- what does the quality (or lack thereof) have to do with the MT? All the Masoretes did was take the oral vocalization and create visual marks for them. In other words: the Masoretes changed NOTHING, they simply added punctuation for vocalizations.

      Here is another Origen quote on the lack of reliabiity of the Septuagint:

      Quote: "Again, through the whole of Job there are many passages in the Hebrew which are wanting in our copies, generally four or five verses, but sometimes, however, even fourteen, and nineteen, and sixteen. But why should I enumerate all the instances I collected with so much labor, to prove that the difference between our copies and those of the Jews did not escape me? "

      "I marked with an asterisk those passages in our copies which are not found in the Hebrew. . . sometimes the meaning even does not seem to be akin? And, forsooth, when we notice such things, we are forthwith to reject as spurious the copies in use in our Churches, and enjoin the brotherhood to put away the sacred books current among them, and to coax the Jews, and persuade them to give us copies which shall be untampered with, and free from forgery!" Origen, A Letter from Origen to Africanus, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 4.]

      And maybe even better for the fundies, the KJV discredits the Septuagint!

      The preface to the original KJV.

      Quote: (The Septuagint) "It is certain, that that Translation was not so sound and so perfect, but it needed in many places correction; and who had been so sufficient for this work as the Apostles or Apostolic men? . . .

      . . . the Translation of the Seventy was allowed to pass for current. Notwithstanding, though it was commended generally, yet it did not fully content the learned, no not of the Jews.

      For not lo

    76. Re:Not virgins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Can you display a study that shows that the bible overall promotes equality more than it promotes the subservience of women? It seems like every time women [in the bible] take initiative, it comes to a bad end. The bible goes so far as to say that a wife should be subservient to her husband in order for a household to operate correctly. Of course you can say that was just one author, but it's in the damn book.

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    77. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      What you are saying is that because the gospels don't have the same exact stories in the same exact orders that it completely invalidates everything.

      Not quite. It is a fact that the gospels were not written by the deciples, with maybe one exception. In fact, some argue that the writters cannot have ever met Christ. It is also believed that some of the gospels are literally just re-interpreted versions of the previous ones. The first one was penned some 40 years after the event

      I guess I'm saying that the history of the bible is so warped, you just don't know what to believe. As another reply points out, the New Testiment is merely an arbitrary selection of a much larger body of work. Yet everyone puts absolute faith in that collection. That's what I have a problem with.

      AP-PAUL-ED? Is that a pun?

      No, I just can't spell all that well! Slashdot needs a spellchecker... ;-)

      I am curious though as to why you would think that if you think that his teachings are just a bunch of fables.

      I'm not saying I don't believe. I don't have all the answers, no one does. There may have been someone called Jesus. And he may have been the son of God. I just don't put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the New Testiment. Even modern history is warped; there are a number of things e.g. the Cuban Missile Crisis, that if you were to base your knowledge on one version of the story verses the other, you'd get a very different view. You mention this different-observer effect yourself.

      Plus, for me, the whole Old Testament biases me against biblical texts as a whole. It is clearly wrong on some of it's most fundamental concepts, Adam and Eve, let there be light etc. To me, it shows how these teachings are just what they are...one cultures interpretation of existance taken a long time ago. Had I lived before Darwin & Newton, I might have believed it 100%. But I know of evolution. I know of planetary physics. Once my trust in part of something has been lost, I find it hard to trust the remainder.

      I would relate this to Benny Hinn...every time I flip by his show on TBN I swear I think that I'm going to see God strike him down with lightning.

      I'm not familiar with him, but I'm guessing he's a tv evangelist type, right? I'm glad you feel that way, these guys are undoubtably harming your religion. It's like how many can't see pass the terrorism in some "Islamic" sets, many also cannot see past the war rethoric and open fraud practiced by world leaders and these bozos. If that's Christianity, I'm out. I'm surprised the true faithfull don't try to put a stop to it. Out of curosity, do the pro-war leanings of Christians, as seen in US politics, carry over into the general population? I just can't see how a religious person could have been for it all, other than just ignorance about what was really going on. I don't remember the good guys starting any wars in the bible, it was all peace and love, you know, the good things.

      Also, I've also known a few very religious folk over the years. Some are good friends. But the majority were very judgemental; if you didn't go to their bible group, you were nobody. I guess like in many things, in religion it is unfortunately the worst examples that stick in your mind, and the good slips away...

    78. Re:Not virgins... by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

      Actually there were translations into the Venacular of the Bible before the King James version but they were suppressed by the Church. There was a Lollard one, for example, in the 15th century - one is extant (its in a New York library if memory serves) that is thought to have belonged to Richard III.

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    79. Re:Not virgins... by tcak · · Score: 1
      Prior to the translation from Latin (King James version), only the elite could read the scriptures.
      Your facts are wrong. The King James Version was translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts, not the Latin text. The Old Testament is based on the Masoretic Text (Hebrew), and the New Testament is based on the Textus Receptus (Greek).
      They left out entire sections that they disagreed with, e.g. the book of Mary.
      I do not know how come you are modded insightful when your historical facts are absolutely wrong. I have never heard of the "book of Mary", and I'm pretty sure that this fictitious book was never part of the Biblical canon.
      Each translation was an attempt to make a bible for the local population, written with the current environment in mind... It scares me that most religious people aren't open to the fact there are several hundred different versions of the bible.
      Your statement is misleading. By using the word "version", you might be implying that the original Hebrew/Greek Bible went through many editions. The word "translation" is more accurate. There are basically 3 types of translation methods:
      1. formal equivalence, which try to stick as closely as possible to the original wording and word-order of the Hebrew and Greek texts.
      2. dynamic equivalence, which remain close to the ideas expressed but not always following the exact wording or word-order of the Hebrew or Greek originals.
      3. paraphrases, which liberally interpret the text in order to make it understandable to a specific audience, like children or teenagers.
    80. Re:Not virgins... by ashground · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'm friends with someone who was one of the key translators for the NIV (New International Version, one of the most popular translations along with the KJV). I'm not saying a translation error has never been made, but to cry conspiracy is, well, a little unfounded. If you hear someone say, "the Bible is wrong because the original Hebrew actually says this", I'd suggest learning Hebrew yourself and you'll discover that this is, in fact, a load a bullocks.

    81. Re:Not virgins... by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      So even though there is ZERO evidence to support the fact that it was written in hebrew, you're going to believe it anyway?

      wow, if that doesn't exemplify the typical mindset of a christian....

      Wow, if that doesn't exemplify the typical mindset of someone who's making a fool out of himself by insulting people on the basis of random assumptions.

      First of all, i'm an athiest. (Well, mostly, i've got some shinto and various other pagan leanings, but i'm certainly not a christian by any means.)

      Second of all, you seem to be misrepresenting my point, either intentionally or unintentionally. If by "it" you meant the new testament i haven't claimed that "it" was written in hebrew. I have maintained that "it" was based off of earlier written works that may have been in hebrew.

      There is quite a lot of evidence that jesus and his original followers were jewish. I think that without any evidence pointing one way or the other that many people of that group who kept any written records wrote at least some of them in hebrew. Those records were then copied and translated numerous times before being incorporated into the work that eventually became known as the new testament. (Presuming of course that the people who wrote the new testament actually had any basis for their work other than campfire stories, which seems likely, even if you don't actually believe the mythology.)

      I said i'd listen to any evidence presented to the contrary. If you have any proof that jews in jerusalam didn't ever write in hebrew around 30 AD then please present it and enlighten me. I'm making a logical assumption based on what evidence i have, you seem intent on sticking to a belief which you have presented no logical basis for.

      And last of all, why would the typical christian want to maintain an irrational belief that the new testament was originally writen in hebrew? Last i heard many christians had some irrational dislike of jews. Even if i _had_ said that using it to jump to the conclusion that i must be a christian is completly illogical.

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    82. Re:Not virgins... by WoBIX · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that pride is considered a sin, but people still insist on telling other people they're going to hell.

      Isn't it only supposed to be "God" that decides it? Anyone else making such claims or judgements would be committing a sin of their own, would they not?

      What makes them so special that they know the mind of a being that is supposed to have created the universe? And how come they're not running the world already?

    83. Re:Not virgins... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Your facts are wrong. The King James Version was translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts

      Damn, you're right and I should have known that, I was aware of what you mention. I even thought I said what you said in another reply that didn't quote me! My bad.

      Yes, the KJ was not translated from latin. It is one of the more admirable attempts to produce an English version. I saw a documentary on this a few months ago in fact, it covered the process they followed, and IIRC it was a tough job with a lot of debate. But prior to that, in Great Britain, the predominant form was in Latin.

      I have never heard of the "book of Mary", and I'm pretty sure that this fictitious book was never part of the Biblical canon.

      Google for Gospel of Mary. I've never read it myself, but the documentary I mention listed it as one of the ones that were left out of the KJ NT canon, like many others. "Canon" is the collective name for biblical texts, yes?

      By using the word "version", you might be implying that the original Hebrew/Greek Bible went through many editions.

      It did. There are multiple versions, many forgotten by history. We only know of the ones that stuck around. Even as early as the 5th century there were doubts as to the accuracy of the existing versions. We're about 1500 years down the line. I'm not expert on this subject, just a little interested in it, but I'd hasten a guess that what original documents we have; they aren't all that original.

    84. Re:Not virgins... by Samrobb · · Score: 1
      First, almah does not imply virginity.

      You keep pressing that point, but aren't even trying to back it up. The connotations of the term certainly do imply virgiinity, in the same way referring to a "little girl" in modern English would imply virginity, or using "Miss" to address a woman in Victorian England would imply that she was unmarried and, presumably, a virgin.

      A 14 year old wife would definitely be an almah, but would not be a virgin (betulah.)

      No, she wouldn't be almah - read up a bit more; that term was never used for a married woman. It might be used for a woman who was betrothed, but not for a woman who's marriage had been consumated. In that case, she was neither almah nor betulah

      Second, we know that a group of Rabbis translated the Torah into greek, and that was the foundation of the Septuagint. History is silent on who translated the rest - it could have been rabbis, assimilated jews, non-jews, etc.

      Regardless of who did the translating: the translation of almah as parthenos was accepted by Alexandrian Jews and others who made use of the Septuagint. This seems to indicate that even if almah did not, specifically, mean "virgin", there was considerable overlap between the words.

      Was she a virgin? Absolutely not. That shows us that parthenos also does not mean virgin.

      The meaning of the Greek word is not determined by it's usage in the Septuagint; it's determined from it's usage in the Greek language. One of the more significant meanings of parthenos is virgin - Athena's two most prominent titles were Pallas Athena and Parthenos, specifically because she was the virgin goddess.

      (BTW, if you could point me at a reference to the use of parthenos w/respect to Dinah, I'd appreciate it.)

      I don't know where you christians get your info from regarding the meanings of various hebrew and greek words, but it's always amusing

      From Liddel-Scott's Greek-English Lexicon, among others. Take a look at the various definitions for parthenos, and it's pretty clear that it means a virgin, or by implication, an unmaried woman presumed to be a virgin.

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    85. Re:Not virgins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That's not my point. I'm not even saying it's a conspiracy. My point is that when translating, the translators (who are typically historical figures today, and some of them are actually known for things other than their biblical translations) chose a translation that fit their interpretation of the Bible, and it became the word of god [to some people].

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    86. Re:Not virgins... by teshuvah · · Score: 0, Troll
      What's there to back up? Do you read hebrew? No, so there's nothing more I can say. That's the definition of the world almah - period. Just liek the english words "automobile", "table", and "apple" all have definitions of what they mean, such is the case for hebrew words. I'm telling you the definition of "almah." I read hebrew, so I know what it means. But you do not read hebrew, and yous tubbornly hold onto this because it conflicts with your theology. I cannot make you accept it.

      Almah means young woman. Period. Nothing to do with sex. Any woman who is young is an "almah." "almah" is the feminie form of the word "elem." "Elem" means "young man." The first time Saul saw David, he said, "Who is that 'elem'?" Do you think Saul inquiring about a virgin boy? Do you think Saul was psychic and knew he was not married? Of course not. Saul was just asking about a young boy.

      Almah can be accurately translated to parthenos, because parthenos does not mean a virgin, as I have pointed out already. And religious Jews NEVER relied on anyt ranslation, especially the septuagint. They only used the original hebrew and aramaic.

      Genesis 34:3 is where Dinah is called a "parthenos", and it is after her rape.

    87. Re:Not virgins... by BryanL · · Score: 1

      I think if you are Luke to your gals Leia she is sleeping with the mailman (wasn't Han just a glorified delivery boy?)

    88. Re:Not virgins... by ixx · · Score: 1

      I am trying to find the sermon on the mount in James, but have been unsuccessful. Can you give me the reference or a link to something online?

    89. Re:Not virgins... by ixx · · Score: 1

      After reading through James with reference to Matthew I would say that James has a is speaking about the ideas from the sermon on the mount. He tends to blend references along with personal view points. This seems to coorespond with whether he was there or not. Ie. He is more likely to quote a OT scripture and use his own words to describe things found in the NT.

      I do not get the impression that he gave the sermon on the mount, but that he is expressing the ideas as he heard them from Jesus.

    90. Re:Not virgins... by Samrobb · · Score: 1
      Do you read hebrew?

      Not well. Back at you - do you read Greek?

      Just liek the english words "automobile", "table", and "apple" all have definitions of what they mean, such is the case for hebrew words.

      And just like English, Hebrew words - words in any language - can have contextual meanings apart from their definitions. I'm not even talking about language constructs like similies and metaphors. For example, you can reliably assume that a Roman senator was male. It's not part of the definition of the word, but a reflection of the culture of the times and the context in which the word was used. You could have made the same assertion (sentor == male) in the US until this century as well.

      I have to admit that I find it ironic that I am often accused of interpreting the Bible (OT and new) too literally, and here I am being harangued by you for not being literal enough.

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    91. Re:Not virgins... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Free mac mini! End the injustice!

      Your ideas intriuge me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    92. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the Wisconsin Synod of the Lutheran Church uses solely the King James Bible, as far as I know.

      They did for some time, true, but they switched to the NIV back in the 80's. Get with the times, man.

      Women still aren't allowed to vote on the church board, of course. That would be a sacrelige.

    93. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lutheran,

      Please know that I do not hold you in contempt for your heresy, for my job as a member of the one and true apostolic church is to forgive others and share the Word. May God have more mercy on your soul than you would have Him provide for me.

      My thanks in Christ,

      Roman Catholic :)

    94. Re:Not virgins... by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 1
      Your post is only barely relevant to the parent, which was about how "Immaculate Conception" really has to do with the birth of Mary, not Jesus, and is closely bound up with the Roman Catholic dogma of Original Sin. (It was not defined as dogma until Vatican I in the 19th Century.)

      However, with regard to the Virgin Birth, there's no translation at all. The Gospels were written in Greek, not Hebrew, and it's the Greek that says "parthenos", or virgin. The "translation error" is in the passage from Isaiah where the Hebrew "almah" is translated into Greek as parthenos. However, that translation was not made by Christians, but by Jewish scholars about 200 BC in the Septuagint Old Testament. I strongly suspect they were reasonably conversant with all the possible readings of that particular word.

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    95. Re:Not virgins... by tcak · · Score: 1
      Google for Gospel of Mary [google.com]. I've never read it myself, but the documentary I mention listed it as one of the ones that were left out of the KJ NT canon, like many others. "Canon" is the collective name for biblical texts, yes?
      I googled for this book and it seems to be a part of the early writings that belong to Gnosticism, which appears during the early Christian centuries. That was probably before the Roman Emperor Constantine became a "Christian." For reference, Constantine assembled the historic Christian council of Nicea in 325 AD. After Constantine, Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire. The beliefs and doctrines of Gnosticism and Christianity are entirely different. Therefore, do not confuse Gnosticism with Christianity.

      Furthermore, the oldest known translation of the Christian Bible, the Latin Vulgate by Jerome, does not contain any Gnostic writings, much less the "book of Mary." However, the Latin Vulgate contains the Old Testament Apocrypha, which the Protestants do not place any doctrinal credibility in them.

      "Canon" is the collective name for biblical texts, yes?
      Yup.
      There are multiple versions, many forgotten by history. We only know of the ones that stuck around. Even as early as the 5th century there were doubts as to the accuracy of the existing versions. We're about 1500 years down the line. I'm not expert on this subject, just a little interested in it, but I'd hasten a guess that what original documents we have; they aren't all that original.
      You are right in a sense that we do not have the original documents, the ones that the Old and New Testament writers penned, in our possessions. What we do have are the copies (e.g. Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Vaticanus etc). From these copies, which may contain typos or a missing verse etc, the translators would try to determine the original texts.

      Point to note, the New Testament was fixed by the Council of Carthage in 397 AD (reference: A Lion Handbook: the History of Christianity). And as far as I know, the Latin Vulgate was the only official translation for the Roman Catholic Church before the Reformation.

    96. Re:Not virgins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I didn't know that the New Testament was written in Hebrew...

    97. Re:Not virgins... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      You are confusing Star Wars fans with Slashdot posters. I know quite a few female SW fans. Many of them even have kids.

      Some of them are even married.

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    98. Re:Not virgins... by TalMaximus · · Score: 1

      Ephesains 5:22-33

      22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

      That is what the Bible teaches and if both women and men followed those principles then the household would be a better place. The responsibility does not depend completely on women to be submissive but for men to give themselves up for their wives as well. Being submissive doesn't mean weak or unequal. Its about a wife respecting the role given to a man by God. Not because a woman is incapable of performing the same duties as a man but because that is the role God gave him. Man has that role not based on his own worthiness of it but because God has given them that great responsibility. Every man should look on that responsibility with great fear and trembling.

      And don't think this is some horrible concept to women. There are thousands of women out there today who are looking for men who get this.

      All have sinned, all need forgiveness, Jesus is the only way, call on Him and be saved.

  6. Star Wars Kid by Kimos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Evidently the author of the article isn't aware of how desired the Star Wars Kid is...

  7. In other news... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, 600,000 Catholics are in line at the wrong basillica....

    1. Re:In other news... by Garabito · · Score: 2, Funny
      600,000 Catholics are in line at the wrong basillica....

      Of course they are! Everybody knows this guy is the real pope.

    2. Re:In other news... by Walrus99 · · Score: 0

      I want to know why the Cardinals get to pick the new pope? Why not the Mets or the Braves? It seems so unfair to have a mediocre baseball team picking the new pope.

    3. Re:In other news... by skinfitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's 1 million catholics - you don't apply currency exchange rates to numbers in a line.

    4. Re:In other news... by SenorPez · · Score: 0

      We're only counting the ones that having "signed in" to their place in line.

    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh??

    6. Re:In other news... by SenorPez · · Score: 0

      From http://www.liningup.net/getinline/rules.php

      6. In order to accumulate Hours in Line, you must Sign In and Sign Out when you come and go.

      Sheesh... it wasn't even that clever of a joke, since the sign in and out was mentioned in the discussion.

  8. Love and Star Wars lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    eleven diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins)

    I'd agree, except they've a spokeswoman called Sarah (who could get it with the rest at the drop of a hat) and there's a precedent for Star Wars lines.

    1. Re:Love and Star Wars lines by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Can you please explain that Penny Arcade? I wasn't a reader until yesterday, as a matter of fact; is that a true story, who is Kara, etc.?

    2. Re:Love and Star Wars lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you please explain that Penny Arcade? I wasn't a reader until yesterday, as a matter of fact; is that a true story, who is Kara, etc.?

      Yes, AFAIK it's true. Kara is now Gabe's wife, and shows up in the strips from time to time. Although she's not quite so slim in real life :-) I thought there were pictures of the real her on the childsplaycharity.org site but I can't see them now.

      In case you missed it, Taco did the sort of thing here - he proposed on the slashdot front page.

  9. Great zhenka, when will this be fixed????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    404 File Not Found
    The requested URL (articles/05/04/06/1234220.shtml?tid=101&tid=97) was not found.

    If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

  10. haha by Cruithne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hilarious.



    ... so wait, are they still waiting?

    1. Re:haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so wait, are they still waiting?

      If you RTFA, they said "Not at this theatre" and then changed their minds for both prequels so far. So maybe it's not such a stupid idea after all.

      And they might force it if they get enough publicity anyway.

    2. Re:Haha by kyojin+the+clown · · Score: 0

      or indeed, Al Cap0wned! i don' care how off-topic it is. i rate both of the prequels so far -1 Offtopic in the thread of Star Wars anyway.

    3. Re:haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so wait, are they still waiting?

      Quick, someone set up a webcam! The guys at work will laugh themselves silly at the idea of a bunch of Slashdot geeks laughing themselves silly over a live broadcast of Star Wars geeks slowly realizing they are being made fun of!

      Yes, you.

    4. Re:haha by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Hilarious. ... so wait, are they still waiting?

      If you think this story is hilarious...just wait until I answer your question. When I clicked on the link and RTFA, I noticed the followinging:

      "Their other reason is that it'd be more difficult to raise money for their charity Starlight Starbright if they weren't on Hollywood."

      Once I read this, I immediately knew who this article was about. This morning on 101.1 WRIF radio in Detroit, talk hosts Drew & Mike called these people up and bashed them on the radio to no end...and for what reason? Well, it turns out that these people's idea of "waiting in line" is to show up at the theater for a couple of hours a day and then go home. No amount of reasoning or ridicule could get it through their skulls that that is NOT "standing in line" but mearly standing around for charity.

      These people want the geek prestige of saying "I stood in line for 2 months to see Episode 3" without actually doing any of the hard work.

      So to answer your question...yes, they are still waiting, but they're not waiting in line.

    5. Re:haha by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      I always hate replying to myself, but in case anyone doubts that these people are not stayiing in line the entire time, check out the rules on their site:
      http://www.liningup.net/getinline/rules.php

      In particular, rule #6:

      "In order to accumulate Hours in Line, you must Sign In and Sign Out when you come and go."

  11. The funniest bit by Blapto · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:
    "The telling thing is -- for me, at least -- if the film is not playing at the Chinese ... I have zero desire to see it at all," a fan who calls himself Obi Geewhyen posted on the message board at Liningup.net. "I'm in it for the lineup only and don't give a darn about the conclusion of this lackluster, so-called 'Star Wars' series."

    Not only does he have a bit of a geeky tag, the reason he's waiting isn't to see the films but, well, to wait.
    1. Re:The funniest bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obi Geewhyen?

      Either he's a doctor of the female arts and nerd...

      Or else he's a nerd +5 with absolutely no hope of ever glimpsing what a Doctor of Obstetrics and Gynecology sees all day long... ObGyn indeed!

      Nice job getting his handle into print though! ;)

    2. Re:The funniest bit by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The lines at the Chinese for the original film have ascended to the status of pop culture legend.

      People who wait in line outside the Chinese for the (shitty) prequels are doing so for the exact same reason kids went to "Woodstock 2" in spite of the fact that nearly all of the bands at the show sucked. They want to feel somehow connected to the phenomenon.

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    3. Re:The funniest bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I bet all my worldly posessions he sees it on opening night...

    4. Re:The funniest bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zen is strong within that one.

    5. Re:The funniest bit by ehiris · · Score: 1

      True story. I grew up in what was the communist, and totalitarian Romania. Back then there was a line for almost every non-domestic product someone could purchase from a store.

      My grandmother would go and sit in line for products like oranges which were rarely available. People had a limit to how many they can buy each time they reached the counter. Once she'd buy her ration of oranges, she'd go back in line and get another round. It is weird but she actually liked that. She had a chair she would take with her exactly like in the Star Wars lines. The socializing there must have been very entertaining for her. Only problem was you had to be careful what you said in those lines because saying the wrong thing about the system might have landed you in jail. There were secret police "Securitate" members hanging out in the line. Not like they HAD to for the oranges but they liked catching people who were thinking by themselves.

      Long story short, there should be a "special" theater where they only play the movie once a month and where people can camp and wait in the line over and over again. Maybe Lucas can rent out campgrounds. He turns everything in a scheme to make money anyways.

  12. Am I a bad person, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    if I feel a little better about myself after reading that?

    1. Re:Am I a bad person, by jrrl · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only a LITTLE better?

      -John.

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    2. Re:Am I a bad person, by northcat · · Score: 1

      Of course you are. You (or an average slashdotter) feels enthusiastic about *some* Movies/Series/Sci-fi book. You treat a "mainstream nerd" like this and yet you flame about "jocks" bullying people. (And no, I'm not a Star Wars fan)

    3. Re:Am I a bad person, by Seumas · · Score: 1

      No kidding.

      I didn't even know Star Wars was coming out next month. Nor did (or do) I care.

      I hope he doesn't do another three in the series. It would be nice if Star Wars just goes away after this release. There are better and more interesting things to be nuts about. A lame story with lame actors isn't one of them. And really, if star wars evern _was_ good (which I'm unsure of), it was back when it had a bunch of actors who were not known at the time. It was ruined by going with the biggest names in hollywood for the last three movies.

      Not that I care. Let it suck. I have yet to see the second star wars movie, either (that's the clone one, right?).

    4. Re:Am I a bad person, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was waiting in line too, at the right cinema.

    5. Re:Am I a bad person, by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 1

      Natalie Portman, Hayden Christiansen, and Samuel Jackson are the biggest names in Hollywood? Oh, you must mean Jimmy Smits. I understand your point about casting known actors, but these are nowhere near the biggest names.

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    6. Re:Am I a bad person, by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Natalie Portman, Samuel Jackson, Ewan McGreggor... these aren't A-list people?! Since when? How much more big-name can you get short of Bruce Willis, Jack Nicholson and Julia Roberts?!

    7. Re:Am I a bad person, by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Right. So, as you've pointed out, only the characters who are of any importance to the storyline are famous hollywood names. Glad we got that clear. The extras and minor characters are still unknowns. Check.

    8. Re:Am I a bad person, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more irritating to me than the over-the-top fans who are willing to camp out for 2 months at the wrong theater are people who feel the need to brag about their disinterest.

      You don't like Star Wars? Fine, no one is forcing you to watch them. How about carrying on with whatever it is you find "better and more interesting" instead of assuming that because you don't like something, no one else should have an interest in it either.

    9. Re:Am I a bad person, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more irritating than the people who feel the need to brag about their disinterest in movies that over the top fans are willing to camp out two months for at the wrong theater are annoying dorks who feel the need to whine to people who don't like starwars who feel the need to brag about their disinterest in movies that over the top fans are willing to camp out two months for at the wrong theater.

    10. Re:Am I a bad person, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, it was just a little joke.

  13. Makes you wonder... by jeffy210 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they don't have internet access, and no one tells them... how long will they sit out there?
    And then what type of a fit will they throw when they go to the correct theatre and there's already a line.

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    1. Re:Makes you wonder... by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      You can tell them yourself, here's the phone number to the payphone outside the theater. Word is, they will actually answer it.

      (323) 462-9609

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    2. Re:Makes you wonder... by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      I think it's the duty of slashdotters in Hollywood to buy up all tickets for the opening night, whether you go or not, just so you can laugh at those guys when they can't even see the movie on opening night. How much would that suck? If it isn't as bad as the last two episodes, that is.

      Hell, what am I saying? they're all camped out in front of the wrong theatre.

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    3. Re:Makes you wonder... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      The question is: How many will try to use The Force to get ahead in the line?

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  14. It's the experience that's important! by Minute+Work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they are doing this just for the sheer enjoyment of it?

    I saw Episodes 1/2 on opening day and waited in line about 6 minutes combined. So it's not like they NEED to camp out to get tickets. Which come to think of it makes the whole idea of them standing in line for tickets anywhere, let alone a theatre that isn't even showing the movie... downright sad.

    What I'm looking forward to more than the movie is the comedy bit where Triumph the Insult Comic Dog shows up and tells the line camping nerds how nice they are... FOR HIM TO POOP ON!

    1. Re:It's the experience that's important! by mattmentecky · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I saw Episodes 1/2...

      I am not a Star Wars fan/follower/nerd, but holy crap, George Lucas managed to squeeze a prequel of the prequel Episode 1??!!?!
      Wow, whoever thought to to make fraction based movies.

    2. Re:It's the experience that's important! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a Star Wars fan/follower/nerd, but holy crap, George Lucas managed to squeeze a prequel of the prequel Episode 1??!!?!
      Wow, whoever thought to to make fraction based movies.


      You're not funny at all (originally I was going to write "You're stupid", but I didn't want to hurt your feelings)

    3. Re:It's the experience that's important! by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      We must all find 1 theater that a whole bunch of people are waiting at and pre-order all tickets for opening day. I'd pay $20 to see their faces...

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    4. Re:It's the experience that's important! by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      You convinced me. Let's go camp out at the Lincoln Square Sony and wait for Episode 7!

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    5. Re:It's the experience that's important! by BryanL · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't have released a sequel to episode 1/2, because the other half of Episode one stank.

  15. I keed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those kids better have made the best of their time in the womb, they're not going back. Ever.

  16. okay... by Johnny5000 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    would it be better if they were waiting in line at the right theater?

    The movie is still probably going to suck, and it's pretty stupid to waste a month of their lives for a movie that will most likely be terrible.

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    1. Re:okay... by Marthisdil · · Score: 1

      But your comment sucked, and you wasted 10 seconds of your worthless life to post it....so what does that make you? Oh, right, one of those other virginal /. posters

    2. Re:okay... by Kosmatos · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be great if Lucasfilm surprised everyone in these month-long lineups, by arriving with a truckful of expensive gifts for them?

      Kind of like Oprah when she gave a brand new car to each member of her audience one day. (right?)

      These folks are obviously helping the momentum of the movies...

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  17. Not just the wrong theater... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1, Funny

    They were already waiting in line for the sequel to two rather lackluster movies. I'd almost say that that standing in line at the wrong theater pales by comparison to standing in line for the wrong movie.

    Almost, because God help me, I'm looking forward to this one too.

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  18. Too true... by kniLnamiJ-neB · · Score: 1
    The kerfuffle has inspired some soul-searching among the fans, and they have discovered that standing in a "Star Wars" line is actually more important than seeing a "Star Wars" film.
    Given the quality of the last two films, it's hard to imagine anything *LESS* important than seeing a "Star Wars" film...
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  19. Hey, wait a minute by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

    eleven diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins)

    Uh, hello, Kettle? This is Pot, returning your call....

    1. Re:Hey, wait a minute by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Informative

      Speaking of call...

      (323)462-9609

      This is the number to the payphone outside of Grauman's Chinese Theater.

      Enjoy.

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    2. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's busy

    3. Re:Hey, wait a minute by koreaman · · Score: 1

      "That's the pot calling the kettle black" is a common English idiom which basically accuses someone of being a hypocrite.

    4. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Sc00ter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdotted payphone!

    5. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thank you for calling the Star Wars line, where the geeks make fun of you."

    6. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I got through :)

      It was pretty funny. Basically the guy was just telling me that they're not losers and that they have an organization for this kind of thing. They have a system of signing in and signing out and the amount of hours they accumulate indicates their position in line.

      I still think they're a bit freaky, but whatever you find fun, you gotta do.

    7. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Singletoned · · Score: 1
      "Uh, hello, Kettle? This is Pot, returning your call...."

      Hmmm, "returning your call"? Did you think the saying was "the pot calling the kettle back"?

      If you did, then it's not. If you didn't then, sorry.

      For the benefit of the poster who asked what the saying meant, (and possibly you if you misunderstood), the saying is "the pot calling the kettle black" and refers to the fact that both pots and kettles are black after they've been used on a stove. So if the pot calls the kettle black, it is being hypocritical, because it is also black.

    8. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cool!

      Good to know that they have created a Star Wars Episode III Queue Ranking Organization using time accumulation to determine the rank, and aren't geeky at all! :-S

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    9. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah... they also said that they don't believe the movie isn't showing there and that "they always say that, but it always shows"...

      So they're firm in hanging out there for the next month, it would seem :)

    10. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, "returning your call"? Did you think the saying was "the pot calling the kettle back"?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordplay

    11. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In soviet Russia, payphones call YOU!

    12. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just in...
      For the first time in history, a payphone has been Slashdotted.

    13. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words, Mr. President: word play. In case you didn't noticed.

    14. Re:Hey, wait a minute by MudButt · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It's been slash dotted... =)

    15. Re:Hey, wait a minute by maotx · · Score: 1

      Actually legit.
      "Good evening and thank you for calling the Star Wars line. This is Elliot and I've been up all night. How can I help you?"

      Unfortunatly I'm at work and do not have the time to do a proper "interview". Anyone wanna give it a shot?

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    16. Re:Hey, wait a minute by Lonath · · Score: 1

      Fuck, we should patent it and sue them. :P

    17. Re:Hey, wait a minute by JeremyALogan · · Score: 1

      I called last night and talked to a guy for about 5 minutes. They're keeping up with where everyone's phoning from on a map. Tell them you read about it on Slashdot, they like to hear where you heard from. I was the 112th person to call from BoingBoing.

    18. Re:Hey, wait a minute by MadMoses · · Score: 1

      Did any slashdotter talk to them yet?

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    19. Re:Hey, wait a minute by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      I actually stopped by there last night (taking some visiting friends on a tour of LA). It's a pretty interesting setup - I noticed they had a computer set up that had internet access (wireless router nearby?)

      There's nothing to indicate they're Star Wars fans. They just look like a bunch of geeks hanging out under a tent on the sidewalk with a computer.

      This kind of reminds me of my days in college 'guarding the fence.'

  20. So, the real story is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... Star Wars fans line up to avoid watching yet another disappointing episode ... ?

  21. Movie's already released... by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... in a way. I just played the PS2 game Star Wars: Lego, which lets you play a very accurate game based on episodes 1-3. Episodes 1 & 2 were very accurate, so I'm assuming that Episode 3 was accurate, too. If that was the case, then Obi-Wan follows Annakin to some volcanic planet, where they have a fight, and Annakin ends up losing and falling into lava. Obi-Wan thinks that he's dead. The Emperor finds him, and restores him as Darth Vader. Darth Vader gets pissed as soon as he wakes up with his new body, and smashes all of the machines. There was quite a bit more, too. All in this game that was released some time back. I thought it was one hell of a slip on somebody's part.

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    1. Re:Movie's already released... by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

      So the game didn't have the lesbian love scene between Natalie Portman and her decoy Keira Knightley? Looks like they held something back for the movie, anyway.

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    2. Re:Movie's already released... by corsair2112 · · Score: 0, Informative

      Just go to any book store and read the official book adaptation or the graphic novel (comic book) for episode 3. All was revealed some time ago, not that the plot of this movie is any great secret to begin with.

    3. Re:Movie's already released... by sehryan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wait...Annakin is Darth Vader?!?!?

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    4. Re:Movie's already released... by the_weasel · · Score: 1

      Damn you. Now I have to sit here at work with that image in my head all day. That wonderful wonderful image.

      Damn you all to hell.

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    5. Re:Movie's already released... by willutah · · Score: 1

      Not only that but...

      I noticed while walking into a Wal*mart and seeing a display right inside the front doors that you can even already buy the novel of the movie as well as the customary DK detail books such as Incredible Cross-sections of Star Wars, Episode III.

    6. Re:Movie's already released... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I thought Natalie's decoy was now Giada de Laurentiis from the Food Network?

    7. Re:Movie's already released... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but the game requires pixel shader 1.1 so I can't play it.

    8. Re:Movie's already released... by billh · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the chick that thinks her show is a porn flick? Slow motion chopping of vegetables. Soft focus. Closeups of her pouring liquid from bottles.

      No, I'm not kidding. Watch it sometime.

    9. Re:Movie's already released... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I don't watch it, my wife does, but I noticed the resemblance right away.

      I've seen enough of it to tell that it's recorded on a digital videocamera, though. You can tell by the low frame rate and the slight slow motion effect that causes.

    10. Re:Movie's already released... by merreborn · · Score: 1

      That much was already revealed over 10 years ago. I'm not sure where, but the "anakin became darth after falling into a volcano in a fight with obi wan" plot point has been well known for some time. Mighta been in a book somewhere or something.

    11. Re:Movie's already released... by saskboy · · Score: 1

      I feel a disturbance in the SPOILER FORCE.

      A million geeks cried out at once, and were silenced :-|

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  22. Haha by Jakhel · · Score: 2, Funny


    Han SolOWNED

  23. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember the first Star Wars (episode whatever) totally blowing my mind. It was awesome. It was one of the few movies that I would actually want to see more than once. It's been down hill ever since for Star Wars movies.

    I will be doing the opposite of lining up early. I will be waiting until enough people tell me that this latest movie is worth going to. Otherwise, I won't waste my time and money.

  24. Beyond reason by Alarash · · Score: 1
    That's what happens when you put your mind into something beyond reason* . You end up not even seing what you have you eys on.

    * : yes, lining up for more than a month is beyond reason, and if you think it's not, you need medical attention.

  25. Completely Sensible Behaviour by R.Caley · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best place to be when one of Lucas's abortions is released is in a cinema showing something else.

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  26. Thank you, thank you, thank you... by IdJit · · Score: 1

    for fueling my superiority complex!

  27. chinese? by nighty5 · · Score: 0

    what is the significance of the chinese theatre? We arent all hormone induced movie goers!

    1. Re:chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's a big and fairly well decorated theatre in Hollywood. Many premieres are held there. They have a very nice, very big curved screen and one of the worst theatre sound systems that I have ever heard (this was five years ago; perhaps it has improved since then). Amazingly, they have THX certification.

  28. rotflol by http101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The force is EXTREMELY WEAK with this crowd!"

    Are you sure the Chinese theatre wasn't showing Space Balls or something??? I mean, really, this is something QUITE obvious. You'd think these people would at least make sure they're at the right theatre!

    {shakes head} Damned Lemmings...

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    1. Re:rotflol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A theatrical re-release of Space Balls I'd wait in line for.

      Given how bad I feel the previous episodes were, I may just wait for Ep III to come out on DVD and skip the theatre, as I did for Episode II.

  29. Re:Star Wars geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot is sounding more and more like high school jocks who pick on "nerds".

    *One guy* wrote that and you tar everyone?

  30. Not to worry by CleverNickedName · · Score: 1

    "The Momentum of Things" is a good movie too.

    There's blood on your hands Mrs. Thatcher!

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  31. As a lifelong virgin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'd just like to say, these people are far far geekier than I, and we'd throw them out of the lifelong virgin club if we could. Or had one.

    Possibly a funnier post in my head.

  32. It's sad... by ral315 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When we're mocking stupid Star Wars fans while we all wait on bated breath for the next story to appear, so we can karma whore.

    1. Re:It's sad... by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      At least we're not going to the wrong web site to do it. Imagine Karma Whoring over at NY Times.

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    2. Re:It's sad... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      When we're mocking stupid Star Wars fans while we all wait on bated breath for the next story to appear, so we can karma whore.


      While we all wait? No, not really.

    3. Re:It's sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by "we", paleface?

  33. erm by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it me or is this one hell of a frontpage troll? It reads likesome jock found a news story and thought he'd put the boot into us geeks.

    If this is the case then please fuck off to somethingawful or whatever the hellhole is you hang out because here we're beyond judging people on how many women they have fucked or gone out with.

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    1. Re:erm by cliffski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen. Its pretty tragic when people rail against some harmeless kids just because they love star wars. Would these kids be 'cooler' if they were selling cocaine or heroin on the same street instead?
      People have a fucked up idea of who to slag off.

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    2. Re:erm by DarKry · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sounds like you may have gotten picked on in highschool. I only comment on it because you sound a bit bitter. Personally I think its hilarious that these guys are such idiots. The type of nerd I pride myself on being is not the type that would stand out side any theatre (let alone the wrong one) to wait for any of the massed produced pieces of crap we call movies to be released. See there are the smart nerds and then there are the people who really are just clueless about life. which are you?

    3. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Yes they would.

    4. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Crawl out of your mom's basement and take a shower. Somebody does need to put a boot into you pathetic geeks.

    5. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a nerdgin

    6. Re:erm by Headw1nd · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When I saw this headline, it really made me wish there was some way I could mod the article itself down.

      This is really a sad commentary on the position of slashdot readers in the social order, and I'll illustrate why with a anecdote from middle school: At recess I often used to watch the field behind the soccer goals, because it's where the social outcasts would go to pick on each other. Day after day they would battle to determine the pecking order of the bottom 5th percentile. Fights like those didn't go on in the upper levels, where looks, money, and prestige determined social rank. It was fascinating, and tragic. In the end, the winners gained nothing, and the stuggle only served to make their lives that much more miserable.

      Now for those that didn't understand the moral, here it is; If you pick on the weakest people you can find, it is because you are yourself weak. If you are actually important or noteworthy in some way, you wouldn't have to point out failings in others to try and aggrandize yourself. Hugh Hefner doesn't need to scoff at other's sexual exploits, because he is legendary in that regard. If you do, you are obviously not.

      So for everyone out there who felt the need to say, "har dee har, at least I'm not those guys", congratulations, but recess is over. So point your eyes back down at the floor and don't bump into anyone in the hall, because to everyone else, you're still at the bottom.

    7. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true virgin.

    8. Re:erm by mrmag00 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would these kids be 'cooler' if they were selling cocaine or heroin on the same street instead?

      Yes.

    9. Re:erm by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Some people are just begging to be sterilized before they pollute the rest of the gene pool with their offspring, and these losers most certainly qualify.

      Of course, in this case we probably don't have to worry about these folks breeding - ever. The only thing they're ever going to slip the meat inside of is a RealDoll.

      Max

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    10. Re:erm by jfulcer · · Score: 1
      But that's just it - everyone is not railing on them because they are star wars fans. They are being railed on because they are standing in line for the sake of standing in line - to gain some notice for their 'cause'...
      "The telling thing is -- for me, at least -- if the film is not playing at the Chinese ... I have zero desire to see it at all," a fan who calls himself Obi Geewhyen posted on the message board at Liningup.net. "I'm in it for the lineup only and don't give a darn about the conclusion of this lackluster, so-called 'Star Wars' series."
      That is why they are losers, IMHO. Standing in line to see a movie they don't want to see, with a name like Obi Geewhyen and even better - being at the wrong theater.
    11. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As my daddy used to say "Beating up handicapped kids may not be much of a challenge, but that doesn't mean that it's still not fun".

    12. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, laughing at these guys won't move you up the social ladder, but imitating them won't help either. The people in this article are not geeks or nerds, they're just idiots...

    13. Re:erm by deft · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dear lord those days on the side of the soccer field really sucked the sense of humor out of you.

      It's funny that they could do so much planning to go see a movie, and completely fail to check to see if the movie was showing there. It just is.

      Oops, everyone laughs, and if they have a sense of humor, they will laugh as well and move to the right theater.

      You'd probably be right there to make it a big f'ing deal though, and try to throw your baggage on top of them.

      You think the people waiting for months outside a theater dont already have some thick skin and a healthy defense against some ridicule? You think they don't know exactly how they are perceived and dont give a sh!t because they are having fun? They do, trust me. I was IN that line standing right next to Elijah Wood (of course, we got there just a few hours before).

      You should probably go down there and learn how they got over being the social outcasts and embraced who they are... you could learn something, amybe drop some baggage off too.

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    14. Re:erm by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      Welcome to America, where individuality is shunned, and being popular is a career.

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    15. Re:erm by msblack · · Score: 1
      I agree to a large degree with your observations but think you fall into the same category for dispariging the disparagers. It's all about the "casting of stones." It's also known as schadenfreude.

      When we laugh at others, we are often laughing at ourselves, "but there for the grace of God go I." It's as though we're saying, "I'm glad I didn't make that mistake this time. I'm glad they caught someone else's mistake instead of mine."

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    16. Re:erm by MightyYar · · Score: 1
      You know, from a purely evolutionary point-of-view, the troll-jocks might have the advantage here. I think that these line people have very little opportunity to pass on their genes.

      Sorry, I just read "The Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond.

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    17. Re:erm by Hyperspac · · Score: 1

      well said

    18. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "...we're beyond judging people on how many women they have fucked or gone out with."

      Agreed.

      By the way: 7. Can you top that?

    19. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought I just laughing at your complete social ineptitude.

    20. Re:erm by tommut · · Score: 1

      Shut the fuck up and give me your lunch money, dork!

    21. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like it only happens in America.

    22. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, at what point did you stop laughing at them? After you got out of college and got into the real world?

    23. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "recess is over"

      Says who? I still busy laughing.

    24. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Jesus, were only joking.

    25. Re:erm by mikeb39 · · Score: 1

      Hey, easy on somethingawful, we've got some pretty big nerds over there too. (Like me for one.)

      Can we hate ebaumsworld instead?

    26. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of "They lined up at the wrong theatre" did you miss? No one cares that they are geeks. They are getting mocked because THEY LINED UP AT THE WRONG THEATRE.

      They absolutly deserve all the bollocking they can get.

    27. Re:erm by Quinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "insult" itself was innocuous, but the comedic impotence of the stale "nerds are virgins" commentary was aesthetically offensive.

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    28. Re:erm by cliffski · · Score: 1

      glad I don't live in your part of town then. Maybe they'd be even cooler if they owned handguns eh?

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    29. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I'm an individual. I like to masturbate with belt sanders.

      Hi, I'm an individual. I like to re-enact scenes from TV wrestling matches in my back yard.

      Hi, I'm an individual. I like to dress up as characters from crappy movies and stand around in the cold.

      Hi, I'm an individual. I'm so much better than you!

      Seriously. Individuality is not automatically a good thing. Some ideas are shunned because, well, they suck.

    30. Re:erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that somehow makes it alright?

  34. Nerd bashing on Slashdot? by freaksta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thats not very appropriate.

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  35. First time out of their Mom's basement by DanCentury · · Score: 1

    Hey, it was the first time out of their Mom's basement since high school. Give these guys a break.

  36. I feel a great disturbance in the force... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...as if a bunch of dorks cried out in anguish, and were suddenly silent...

  37. Episode II or bust by elwell642 · · Score: 1

    The real kicker would be if they were actually waiting for Episode *II* to open.

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  38. Line Films by zoomba · · Score: 4, Informative

    This will be the first SW Movie since they started the re-releases I won't be in line for. Though that's more due to work than a lack of desire to be out there camped in front of the theater. Though my stays (2 days 1 night) were never as long as these guys out in CA, they were long enough to get the most enjoyment out of the experience.

    The line is more fun than the movie, by far. Everyone out there is there because they're dorks, nerds, geeks. They enjoy Star Wars, and a film premier is likely one of the few times they get to gather with other fans and geek out about their hobby. It's always a good time with people sitting around playing cards, eating pizza, drinking soda, playing board games (video games one year when the theater owner rolled out a TV on a cart for us to use) etc. Essentially the line ends up being a day or two long party.

    So many here love to mock the line goers, but how many of those people have been to a Linux, gaming or hacker convention? How many have gone to some sort of industry conference? It's the same thing. Lots of geeks gathering in one place to talk about the stuff they enjoy.

    The line is more fun than the movies ever are. By the time the opening crawl starts on the screen, I've been awake for 2-3 days and soon I'm nodding off. I don't care though cause I know I'm not missing anything, I already experienced the most fun part.

    While I won't be in line this year, I will be thinking of my friends back home who will be.

  39. C'mon, it -has- to be said... by mccalli · · Score: 5, Funny
    This not the theatre you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along...

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:C'mon, it -has- to be said... by nigham · · Score: 3, Funny

      A long time to stand in a theatre far, far away...

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  40. What would Obi-Wan Say? by 54M5UNG · · Score: 0

    This is not the theater you're looking for.....

  41. hmm by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

    Difficult to see, the future is.

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    1. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Difficult that film will be to view, if at wrong theatre they are.

  42. Their response by Vamphyri · · Score: 4, Informative
    The fans in line have heard your pleas and have answered with the following rfom liningup.net :


    Liningup.net is staying in the spot where we have great relationships with the theatre, the local businesses, and the Hollywood Division of the LAPD. We are lining up at the theatre where the first Star Wars premiered in 1977, where all of the prequels have played, where George Lucas, R2D2, Harrison Ford, and Darth Vader have their footprints in the world-famous "Forecourt of the Stars".

    We are raising money for an amazing charity, Starlight Starbright Children's Foundation, that works to brighten the lives of seriously ill children. We've only been in line for 3 days and we have already topped more than $6200 in donations, with hopefully tens of thousansds more to be raised.

    Twice before we've lined up at Grauman's Chinese Theatre without confirmation that the films would play there. Twice before, we've been told it was going to play somewhere else. Hopefully, our luck holds out for a third time. If not, we'll still have an incredibly fun time relaxing with other Star Wars fans and raising both funds and awareness for the Starlight Starbright Children's Foundation.
    1. Re:Their response by Exluddite · · Score: 2
      First I thought "What a bunch of clueless nerds". Man was I wrong.These guys know that the premier won't be there and they're still staying to raise money for charity?

      Star Wars nerds? Maybe. Good People? Definately.

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    2. Re:Their response by mstyne · · Score: 1

      Twice before we've lined up at Grauman's Chinese Theatre without confirmation that the films would play there. Twice before, we've been told it was going to play somewhere else. Hopefully, our luck holds out for a third time.

      Good luck with that.

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    3. Re:Their response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pssst! R2D2 is not a real person. You know that right?

    4. Re:Their response by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

      Now they are backpeddling and saying that this theater has all these wonderful Star Wars connections.

      But according to Sarah Sprague, a spokesmen for the group:

      "Even if it's not here, we'll just go see it somewhere else. We're not doing this just for the movie."

      So they don't really care that much about Star Wars. They are media whores. And this coverage is giving them exactly what they want.

    5. Re:Their response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no duh, he's a droid.
      geeze...

    6. Re:Their response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this could be modded any higher, it should be.

      Hell, it should replace the bashy post on the main page.

      Now who is the moron, eh?

    7. Re:Their response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's for a charity, jackass.

    8. Re:Their response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, talk about stupid ways to raise money for charity.

    9. Re:Their response by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

      It's for a charity, jackass.

      They are not donating anything to charity. They are getting people like you to donate, through publicity.

      In fact, if they were to all get jobs instead of sit on a sidewalk for a month and a half, they could probably raise more money for charity. But that wouldn't be any fun, would it?

    10. Re:Their response by telstar · · Score: 1

      If they're at the wrong theatre ... when will they know it's time to go home? What? At the stroke of midnight they're going to make a mad dash to a theatre that IS showing the film? I'd love to see the line rapidly fall apart as the geeks in line realize they're missing the film they've wasted months waiting for and fronting that it didn't bother them.

    11. Re:Their response by real+gumby · · Score: 1
      So wait, usually people pledge a certain amount of money for the distance you walk. These guys get money for not walking???

      Dude, please pledge to my fund for not walking to the moon and back!

  43. April 1st by RasendeRutje · · Score: 0

    This is a late April 1st joke? No? A very early one? No? ....

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  44. Nerd by mboverload · · Score: 1

    This must be the highest concentration of nerd on earth. 11 grade A StarWars nerds...20 feet...My god, they are going to bend the space-time continum or something!

    1. Re:Nerd by Megane · · Score: 1
      This must be the highest concentration of nerd on earth. 11 grade A StarWars nerds...20 feet...My god, they are going to bend the space-time continum or something!

      If they dropped a bomb on that site... the explosion would run away in fear. And I don't think that's any kind of space-time effect, just extreme BO.

      /as someone else said, the prequels suck anyhow - I'm so hardcore I haven't seen either of them

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  45. This is not the premiere you are looking for by Progman3K · · Score: 2, Funny

    move along...

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  46. Actually, they're doing it for charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have a website somewhere, (lineup.net or something to that effect) and they've got pledges for how long they wait in line and they're giving their proceeds to a foundation for sick children. That's probably worth mentioning.

    ps-that should get them laid.

  47. better link with more info... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. how would you feel by Lil-Bondy · · Score: 0

    to be teased by the slashdot population (geeks/nerds)

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  49. Polish nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    just speculatin...

  50. People who spend time making fun of these guys by OnanTheBarbarian · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oh, yeah, like people who spend lots of time making fun of these guys have girlfriends either.

  51. Re:Star Wars geeks by TheWormThatFlies · · Score: 1

    eleven diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins)...it appears that the guys with girlfriends will have the last laugh...

    Slashdot is sounding more and more like high school jocks who pick on "nerds". (BTW, I'm not a Star Wars fan)

    It's not just Slashdot, and it's not just Star Wars. Sadly, most members of subcultures which are mocked by the mainstream like to find at least one other subculture (or sub-subculture of their own subculture) which is mocked by the mainstream even more, so that they can point at it and loudly say "Hey, check those losers out! Aren't they totally pathetic? That's just sad, eh, guys? Eh?" whenever some cool people might be able to overhear them. It makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

    For example, LARPers and people who play "deep" indie roleplaying games make fun of other roleplayers (especially D&D players), roleplayers make fun of card gamers, card gamers make fun of Magic players, Magic players undoubtedly make fun of people who favour a particular lame-ass deck, and everyone in the whole world makes fun of furries.

  52. Re:Star Wars geeks by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
    Slashdot is sounding more and more like high school jocks who pick on "nerds".

    No one will really be free until nerd persecution ends!

  53. STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I mean, really, this is something QUITE obvious. You'd think these people would at least make sure they're at the right theatre!

    Please RTFA.

    The Chinesse theatre has shown all of the previous star wars movies. When the last movie came out there were rumors it wouldn't be playing at the Chinese theatre, but it ended up premeiring there despite those rumors.

    AFAIK, the Chinese theatre is a single screen theatre a few blocks away from a huge super-mega-multi-omni-ultraplex. Said plex is trying to work a deal to be the exclusive premeire of the latest lucas craptation, but no deal has been inked as of yet.

    The fans in front of the Chinese theatre are standing there, in part, to protest an exclusive deal at the super-mega...-plex. There's something special about the Chinese theatre, I'm sure tradition and what not, and something about the plex-theatre having assigned seating with tickets sold on line, rather than sit where you like, or something. I'm not all knowing, but for christ's sake, RTFA before you post your garbage!

    1. Re:STFU by TedTschopp · · Score: 1

      The Arclight Theatre(http://www.arclightcinemas.com), where they are trying to get it shown, is the old Cinerama Dome theatre a couple blocks away, and is now the latest place in Hollywood to catch a movie. They have a rather nice restraunt, and the food they serve is actually quite good. Seating is assigned. On a given night of the week, you will see premiers there, press screenings, and random film festivals. They also play old movies and have the writers and directors show up and give talks.

      Also don't be too suprised if you see famous people waiting in line with you to purchase a tasty beverage.

      Another nice feature of the theatre is that they offer 21+ screenings of most R rated movies. Get a couple stiff drinks or a couple beers and watch your movie. It really helps for those really bad Sci-Fi movies which call for a full suspension of disbelif. I know that for one I will be seeing SW:III there.

      Ted

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    2. Re:STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the article, BEFORE I posted. Moron. Just because I can't buy the new PlayStation 3

      No, I'm not sure you did. In fact, I don't think you read my post. You scanned it and replied to the least relevant part and then started talking about video games. Let me recap

      The Chinesse theatre has shown all of the previous star wars movies. When the last movie came out there were rumors it wouldn't be playing at the Chinese theatre, but it ended up premeiring there despite those rumors.

      Translated: There is a precedant for the Chinese Theatre showing Lucas films. Not only when everyone knew they would, but even when everyone knew they weren't going to. This is one of those years when everyone knows they aren't going to. Last time this happened, the Chinese Theatre pulled a last minute change up and BAM! Star Wars Premiere! Sure there's that whole Paramount thing, but there is not confirmation that the film will not play at the theatre. Just no confirmation that it will play at the theatre. That's a big difference.

      And finally, because I can't help myself: Every large group starts as a small group. That's how groups work. Perhaps others will wait in line. Perhaps a big movie star will sympathize for whatever reason.

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  54. Don't leave me in suspense... by imag0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Is the plastic, lifeless acting about the same? ;)

    1. Re:Don't leave me in suspense... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Actually, even though all of the characters were Lego, I understood the story *better* playing the game than watching the movie. That doesn't seem like a good thing (for the movies).

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    2. Re:Don't leave me in suspense... by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      ...Is the plastic, lifeless acting about the same?

      Only in the Lego version...

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    3. Re:Don't leave me in suspense... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha. I think he meant to imply that Episode 1 and 2 sucked goat taint. I agree!

      - A.P.

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  55. Triumph better be ready. by British · · Score: 1

    Conan BETTER be having a Triumph segment like he did with Ep 1 for ep 3. That was comedy gold. This will be the last time Triumph can do it.

  56. I for one by JamesP · · Score: 0

    welcome our new Star Wars fans overlords!

    Oh wait, they've probably gone to the wrong welcome party...

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  57. Re:Need to get karma... by JNighthawk · · Score: 1

    I've heard of people thinking out loud, but typing it too?! This is ridiculous!

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  58. Anyone else think.... by thegenerousjew · · Score: 0

    If this was the 1st of April and this story wasn't actually true it would have made a pretty darn good April Fool's joke. [As opposed to the unbearingly annoying barrage of unimaginative "April Fools" stories we were submitted to...]

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  59. Business rules by randalware · · Score: 1

    Supply & Demand....

    People in line show demand....

    Look for the theater to supply the movie....
    It's not like it's hard to do....

    Remember a fool and his money are soon parted....

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    1. Re:Business rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't scan with the melody of "Imagine" at all. WTF?

  60. Re:Need to get karma... by ViceVirtue · · Score: 1

    You karma whore!

  61. Hey that's not nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins)

    Hey! I resemble that!

  62. Jar Jar says . . . by bcnstony · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Meesa thinks you gonna wait long time!

    1. Re:Jar Jar says . . . by Sebilrazen · · Score: 0

      With my much envied literary abilities I read this as: Mensa thinks you gonna wait long time!

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  63. Finnally... by vikstar · · Score: 1

    the geeks get to try out their skills gained training at the "line ride" in the Simpsons.

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  64. Re:Star Wars geeks by northcat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    People on slashdot never seem to understand someone when he points at an example of a general happening and makes a general observation. Slashdotters think (or act like they think) that the guy is generalising based on just one event.

  65. Shortest reigning pope in history... by KlomDark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pope Goestheveezl was the shortest reigning pope in the history of the Church, reigning for two hours and six minutes on 1 April 1866. The white smoke had hardly faded into the blue of the Vatican skies before it dawned on the assembled multitudes in St. Peter's Square that his name had hilarious possibilities.

    1. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by GeorgeLiquor · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of Pope Cicola. Can't remember when he reigned though.

    2. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by first.last · · Score: 1, Informative
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    3. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by Digz · · Score: 3, Informative

      A bit off-topic, but hey..

      The tradition of popes taking names from predecessors dates to an early time in the Church when a certain man named Mercury became Pope. As he thought it inappropriate to have the head of the Christian Church named after a pagan deity he took the name of a predecessor. The tradition stuck.

      So a pope taking a name such as that would be rather preposterous. ;)

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    4. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by KlomDark · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, that guy stole it too. The original is from the Armchair Anarchist's Almanac

    5. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought the honor went to Father Guido Sarducci. Oh wait, he was never a pope. Well, at least he's a Father... isn't he?

    6. Re:Shortest reigning pope in history... by raddan · · Score: 1

      Funny, but unfortunately, untrue.

  66. Ah, but then..... by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm so hardcore I haven't seen either of them Ah, but then, how do you actually know that they suck? I mean, not that I'm saying you're wrong or anything.

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    1. Re:Ah, but then..... by Megane · · Score: 1
      Ah, but then, how do you actually know that they suck? I mean, not that I'm saying you're wrong or anything.

      Two words: Jar Jar.

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    2. Re:Ah, but then..... by malign · · Score: 1

      Jarjar only has about 5 seconds of screentime in the imperial senate, where he nods sagely to Amidala thankfully. Our eyes aren't sullied too much, and at least he doesn't speak!

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  67. RTFA next time by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 1
    RFTA helps:

    From FTA:
    "Star Wars" or no, the diehards are resolute about keeping their line on Hollywood Boulevard.

    "We've heard all this before," said Sarah Sprague, one of the designated spokesmen for the group. In 1999 and 2002, there were plenty of rumors (ultimately false) that the previous two pics weren't going to open at the Chinese.

    Does that answer your question?

    1. Re:RTFA next time by kyojin+the+clown · · Score: 1

      Sarah Sprague who will almost certainly never be 'one of the guys with girlfriends' no matter how hard she tries.

    2. Re:RTFA next time by whig · · Score: 1

      I thought the original post was pretty insulting, and probably just an example of someone projecting their own lack of social experience upon others he doesn't know anything about.

      I knew and dated Sarah personally, though it was quite a long time ago. So she's a girl who's had boyfriends, too.

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  68. Re:Line Films by CapeMonkey · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but isn't the more appropriate analogy to Lunux/hacker/gaming conventions a, y'know, Star Wars or science fiction convention? I'm not denying it could be fun to hang out with people who share the same interests as you, but it's the time scale... it comes out in six weeks.

    More to the point, these ones in particular are mock worthy because they're at the wrong theatre. This is something you ought to check before leaving home six weeks before the movie starts.

  69. As the UK election is under way by imipak · · Score: 1

    I say: "I refer the Hon. Members to the reply I gave some moments ago."

  70. Re:Star Wars geeks by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is sounding more and more like high school jocks who pick on "nerds". (BTW, I'm not a Star Wars fan)

    Actually, it's worse than that. It's people anonymously picking on themselves. Anime geeks calling Star Wars geeks losers and vice versa. The sad part is that in their minds, they really were the pathetic losers the jocks made them out to be in high school. Instead of rising above it, they sink to the same level by doing the exact same thing. And the grand tragedy of it all is that they still don't get the chicks ;)

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  71. pictures of the fans waiting in line by huphtur · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:pictures of the fans waiting in line by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      Love how they're running windows with the default theme...at least they use Firefox.

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  72. So sad... by Dorf+on+Perl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Last paragraph of the article:

    Hope springs eternal, Sprague said. After the last two "Star Wars" films, "We're all a little beaten down," she said. "But this one could be it!"

    "Lucas loves us, he really does! He doesn't mean it when he craps on us! You'll see! This time for sure...!"

    Bah, I say, bah!

  73. You might be a complete geek if.... by catdevnull · · Score: 3, Funny

    -You spend 6-8 week in line for movie tickets to Star Wars and no one at work really misses you.
    -While you're in line, your mom is just glad to have your ass out of the house so she can fumigate your room.
    -In your zeal to be "first" (you're probably the same geeks that post "first post" trolls on /.), you overlook the possibility that this theatre may not premiere your beloved movie.
    -Even slashdotters make fun of you.

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  74. It's the journey that's important !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These kids realize that it is the journey that is important, not the destination.

    Yeah, right. BHAWHAHAHAHEEEEHA

  75. Evening : Outside Grauman's Theatre... by IdJit · · Score: 1

    SW GEEK 1 knocks on door.

    SW GEEK 1: Anybody there? Is this the line for the episode 3 premiere?

    THEATRE EMPLOYEE: (peeking out) Go away! This is not the premiere you're looking for. Move along. (goes back in)

    SW GEEK 2: Dude...that was kewl! Do it again.

    SW GEEK 1: (knocks again) Hey!! You gonna be showing the Star Wars movie or what?

    THEATRE EMPLOYEE: (peeking out again) Jedi business. Go back to your drinks. (goes back in)

    SW GEEK 2: Awesome!! This movie is gonna rock!

    SW GEEK 1: Yeah. We're not leaving this line for anything!

    SW GEEK 2: Really. Except maybe for chicks.

    SW GEEK 1: No way, dude.

    SW GEEK 2: Yeah, you're right. Episode 3 here we come!

  76. Lifelong virgins? by daikokatana · · Score: 1
    OT, but I really do not understand the joke in that. What makes you less of a human being if you remain a virgin, no matter for what period of time? There are people enough out there who choose to remain a virgin.

    30, virgin, male, and will remain like that for the rest of my life. Well, maybe not the 30 part :)

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    1. Re:Lifelong virgins? by InVinoVeritas · · Score: 1

      Yikes... were you and your other 10 friends disappointed when you found out the theatre wasn't going to premier Revenge of the Sith?

    2. Re:Lifelong virgins? by daikokatana · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know since I'm not a Star Wars fan.

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    3. Re:Lifelong virgins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      if you ever had sex you might know what it was that made you less of a human

      all kidding aside you are obviously a useless human (biologically speaking) since you are not futhuring our existance.

    4. Re:Lifelong virgins? by loqi · · Score: 1

      Represent! Man, being a flagrant virgin and watching the insults flow was so much fun, it makes me wish I'd never bothered to pretend to make babies.

      Sex is incredibly overrated. Props if you've figured that out sans hindsight.

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    5. Re:Lifelong virgins? by bckrispi · · Score: 1

      Sex is incredibly overrated. Props if you've figured that out sans hindsight. Is it overrated? Or are you just underqualified?

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  77. Hey! by zecg · · Score: 1

    eleven diehard Star Wars fans (i.e. lifelong virgins)

    Oy! I strongly resemble that remark!

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  78. Dear Pot by Letter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Pot,

    The grandparent post used the expression incorrectly. The correct idiom is "the pot calling the kettle black." The poster thought the pot called the kettle "back", which makes no sense at all.

    The idiom dates back to times when all cookingware was cast iron. It refers to a person finding a fault with someone else while the accuser is guilty of the same fault herself.

    For example:

    "You're calling her forgetful? That's a case of the pot calling the kettle black."

    or

    The case here, where someone submitting a story to Slashdot describing others as "lifelong virgins." Since everyone who reads Slashdot is clearly a lifelong virgin, that's like the pot calling the kettle black.

    Sincerely,
    Kettle

    1. Re:Dear Pot by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      The poster thought the pot called the kettle "back", which makes no sense at all.

      God damn it. Even if it wasn't funny before, the joke's definitely not funny when I have to explain it.

    2. Re:Dear Pot by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      The grandparent post used the expression incorrectly. The correct idiom is "the pot calling the kettle black." The poster thought the pot called the kettle "back", which makes no sense at all.


      Just FYI, in Venezuela (and maybe most spanish countries) we have the equivalent expresion for you pot/kettle americans.

      Actually we have lots of them, here are 2:
      -The rabbit laughing of the donkey's big ears.
      -The armadillo staring at the snail's shell

    3. Re:Dear Pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we have a saying here: "The slashdotter laughing at the skunk's smell"

    4. Re:Dear Pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Kettle,
      You're black.
      Sincerely,
      Pot

  79. Not so bad by sjonke · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could actually end up seeing a decent movie.

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  80. Is there any other kind of virgin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...than a lifelong one?

  81. Alteratnative headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Star Wars Fans in Line... Never Will Get Laid.

  82. Why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this even a post. It seems to me to be more on an insult than it does a legit posting.

  83. Calling all nerds.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The force is dumb with these ones...

  84. Re:Line Films by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    So many here love to mock the line goers, but how many of those people have been to a Linux, gaming or hacker convention?

    Does only waiting in line for a convention, but in the wrong building, and then leaving count? :-)

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  85. Why wait for the movie... by willutah · · Score: 1

    when you can already read the book?

  86. Dark Side? by murreyaw · · Score: 1

    Clouded their vision, the Dark Side has, hmm.....

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  87. I think i speak for Nelson when i say by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    Ha-Ha

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  88. This JUST GOT interesting by solomonrex · · Score: 1

    OK. The movie is released as a LEGO game? So there's a good chance that the story was acted and directed competently somewhere...by LEGOS?

    Maybe we can get these guys to wait in line at the wrong videogame store?

  89. Metroblogging LA has a lot more by dekker · · Score: 1

    Check out Metroblogging LA for a lot more on the line. They really broke the story and continue to cover it.

  90. Just marketing by veganjay · · Score: 1

    Just sounds like marketing to me. And this is not encouraged by the Star Wars PR people? Pay people a couple bucks to wait in line for a month, look at all the press it gets.

  91. Just change the sign. Show the same movie. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The Chinese Theatre should just change their sign to "Star Wars" when the date comes up, and keep showing whatever Nic Cage or Charlize Theron or Will Smith movie they were going to show anyway. Let the fans see whatever movie this is while the theatre says it is "Star Wars".

    The Star Wars fans will see it, and leave the theatre mildy annoyed by the lack of lightsabres in the movie, but you will hear comments like "When did George Lucas learn to write dialogue? Wow!" and "I was kind of worried going into it, but there was no Jar Jar in the ENTIRE movie!"

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    1. Re:Just change the sign. Show the same movie. by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, no, they have to hang the Star Wars sign on a Star Trek movie. I'd pay to see that unfold!

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    2. Re:Just change the sign. Show the same movie. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "No, no, they have to hang the Star Wars sign on a Star Trek movie"

      The non-geek theatre manager flunky says "That Star Treck stuff is all the same, right? As long as it has Dr. Spock and Chewbacca in it, those propellerheads will eat it up!"

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  92. HERE is Black Wolf the Dragon Master's website... by blakespot · · Score: 4, Informative
    His site is down now, but the Way Back machine to the rescue:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040921083255/http://d arkchambers.tk/

    Enjoy. This guy was insane.

    Here's a few other links:
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  93. Luke: Feel The Force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... obviously they forgot the very first lesson. Now they will never graduate from Jedi Academy.

    So is that how the Academy gets the grunt labor it needs for cooks, etc?

  94. Not to be confused with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the Great Star Wars Trek.

  95. Waiting in line by Miaomiao · · Score: 1

    There's more to it than waiting in line, like other people have said this particular theatre might not be playing it (the place that might get it is a few blocks away)

    According to fans waiting in line they had to do lots of soul searching after learning the movie might not be premiring there. It turns out that to even the fans waiting in line walking a few extra blocks to see Star Wars at some random megaplex instead of this theatre (where star wars premiered, and the stars have their footprints in the concrete outside) just completely isn't worth it. The new movies just arn't worth seeing that much, but waiting in line for it is a good investment of time, just because of their passion for sci-fi

  96. Field of Geeks by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Oh yeah... they also said that they don't believe the movie isn't showing there and that "they always say that, but it always shows".."

    Ah! The "If we queue, it will show" philosophy of movie-line waiting. I want to see them push it to the limits: line up weeks ahead of the debut day outside an abandoned grain silo in Nebraska. Let's see if their rule works there!

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    1. Re:Field of Geeks by lgw · · Score: 1

      You know, if they did, I'd be tempted to show with a projector and a leaked screener, just for the irony.

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    2. Re:Field of Geeks by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "You know, if they did, I'd be tempted to show with a projector and a leaked screener, just for the irony"

      That would only encourage them. Then the same crew would line up at the Vatican, thinking that the Pope lying in state was one of Nute Gunray's pals in the Trade Federation. It's the hat that does it.

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  97. Re:Star Wars geeks by LordEd · · Score: 1

    Nothing wrong with being a star wars fan. Nothing even wrong with spending a few hours in line. I can almost understand waiting a few days, but waiting a month in a line that doesn't even reach the end goal? Sorry, that at the 'make fun of' point.

    I occasionally play magic. Spending a few $$ on some cards, ok. Speding your life savings on a single card? That goes a bit too far.

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  98. Re:Star Wars geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    everyone in the whole world makes fun of furries.

    but the furries are laughing on the inside because they are really beautiful, brilliant and successful people. just no one realizes it, cause of the full body costumes.

    really. it's true.

  99. Considering... by Svartalf · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...that Luke and Leia are brother and sister, wouldn't playing Luke and Leia would be like...um...you know...

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    1. Re:Considering... by Kierthos · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yes, you're right. It would be like living in South Carolina.

      Kierthos

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    2. Re:Considering... by werewolf1031 · · Score: 2, Funny
      [Considering] ...that Luke and Leia are brother and sister, wouldn't playing Luke and Leia would be like...um...you know...

      Your parents? :)

    3. Re:Considering... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Zing!

      Posts like yours are the reason I still read Slashdot. Well done.

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    4. Re:Considering... by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was thinking more of YOUR parents when I originally posted.

      If your family tree doesn't branch...

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    5. Re:Considering... by Jakeypants · · Score: 1

      "Considering... that Luke and Leia are brother and sister, wouldn't playing Luke and Leia would be like...um...you know..."

      an instant boner.

  100. They're here! by Reignking · · Score: 0

    Underneath a make-shift awning yesterday afternoon, 11 people were in line doing what appeared to be homework, pecking at laptops and talking to members of the media.

    Watch out, everyone! These nerds, with their wireless laptops, are probably amongst us as we speak...

    Cmon, one of you -- reveal yourself! Tell us why you are camping out for this "event"...

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  101. Busy schedules by cocoamix · · Score: 1

    I suppose now they could use the time to finally make it down to Toshi's station to pick up some power converters.

  102. Jedi Mind Trick by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

    This is not the line that you are looking for...

  103. Re:Need to get karma... by JNighthawk · · Score: 1

    Funny doesn't give karma :-)

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  104. Re:Line Films by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a nerd

  105. As Ackbar would say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a TRAP!

  106. Re:Star Wars geeks by scottnews · · Score: 1

    not able to laugh at yourself?

  107. Re:Need to get karma... by ViceVirtue · · Score: 0

    Son of a.... I got an off topic...After years of planning too.

  108. They're the lucky ones by kabdib · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whatever movie they do see on opening day will be better than the movie they got in line for...

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  109. What about that guy in Seattle? by displague · · Score: 1

    This article reminded me of the Seattle Star Wars squater, Jeff Tweiten. Aparently, he was kicked off his couch by a city ordinance and an anonymous complaint back in January. He has managed to continue his wait for the movie opening without a permanent station.

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  110. Triumph in quebec!! by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

    speaking of triumph...

    check out triumph in quebec! Bloody hilarious.

    1. Re:Triumph in quebec!! by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      Wasn't too crazy about that one.

      The one at the dog show was my fav. Pure genius, especially when he got the poodle humping...

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  111. Re:Star Wars geeks by lgw · · Score: 2, Funny

    For example, LARPers and people who play "deep" indie roleplaying games make fun of other roleplayers (especially D&D players),

    As a "Deep indie" roleplayer who makes fun of D&Ders, I think you're on to something, but *everyone* makes fun of LARPers (except furries, of course).

    Here's a detailed chart of the Geek Hierarchy, for your reference. ;) It needs a "Real RPGer" -> "D&Der" -> "LARPer" column, however.

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  112. Got a link? by infinite9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm very interested in bible translation issues. And since this is a new testament concept, how does hebrew play into this? And was the error caused when going from aramaic to greek or greek to english?

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    1. Re:Got a link? by giantsfan89 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out Curt Niccum's blog. He's a big Greek nerd that knows a ton about Bible translations. He has even worked on translating parts of the Dead Sea scrolls. Incredible guy.

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    2. Re:Got a link? by Rikardon · · Score: 1

      Also see God's Secretaries, and Wide as the Waters, two recent books on the various English translations of the Bible.

    3. Re:Got a link? by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      You could try to find a copy of "The Unauthorised Version" by Robin Lane Fox (UK Publisher is Viking, ISBN 0-670-82412-7), which is a serious consideration of the Bible as a historical document, including some discussion of how political pressures of the time may have influenced its content and message.

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    4. Re:Got a link? by DrFalkyn · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, there are no known versions of large segments of the New Testament in Aramaic, nor is there any evidence that such versions even existed. For all we know, they might have originally been written in Greek. This would be especially true of Paul's letters, since he was Roman and his audience was primarily gentiles(non-Jews) then he if he indeed did write the letters that are attributed to him, then he would have most likely written them in a the most suitable tongue, which in the Middle East at that time was koine a dialect of Greek.

    5. Re:Got a link? by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then you'll like this one: go find some 16th century paintings of Moses coming down the mountain with the tablets with the commandments on them. Then look at his head. Then stare at the little horns on his head!

      What happenend was a little translation error: the text translated from said something along the lines of '...and Moses came down the mountain with fury...' because he saw that his people where worshipping golden idols. But in hebrew, the word fury [or 'scorn'...I don't remember the exact word] and horns look very similar. Thus a translating error led the best artists of the generation to depict Moses with little horns on his head :)

      Makes you wonder what other crucial information has been missed out on...

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    6. Re:Got a link? by nidarus · · Score: 1

      As far as I can remember, the verse said something about Moses "glowing", and "glowing" ("Koren") is exactly the same word as "horn" ("Keren"). Not only are these words closely related (rays of light in Hebrew are literally "horns of light"), in the vowel-less ancient Hebrew, they are written exactly the same way.

  113. Uh oh, 10% troll! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you struck a poser nerve. :D

  114. Re:"nerd-hags" by protolith · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hhave this friend, He um, could really, you know, would like to know more about these "nerd-hags". Where would I, um, He go to meet one.

  115. Re:Star Wars geeks by TheWormThatFlies · · Score: 1

    Hey, maybe in where you live... :)

    In South Africa, there are many people who only LARP, and don't roleplay tabletop games much or at all - and consider themselves much more normal and less geeky than tabletop roleplayers.

    For clarification, the LARPing scene in SA consists mostly of one-night, once-off LARPs with ready-made characters. LARP campaigns are very uncommon. Also, there are many LARPs with completely (or mostly) mundane modern or historical settings. Emphasis is placed on inter-character plotting. Combat is never resolved with physical mock-fighting (boffers and such); it is always abstracted into some kind of simple statistical mechanic, like a die roll or the drawing of cards.

    It is thus completely unlike dressing up as armies of orcs and elves and running around in the forest hitting each other with sticks*. Which I hear is popular in Scandinavia.

    * Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. It's just a completely different style of LARPing.

  116. Re:Line Films by fenris_23 · · Score: 1

    So many here love to mock the line goers, but how many of those people have been to a Linux, gaming or hacker convention? How many have gone to some sort of industry conference? It's the same thing. Lots of geeks gathering in one place to talk about the stuff they enjoy.

    The same except for restrooms and AC.

  117. Hypocrite by gosand · · Score: 1
    Amen. Its pretty tragic when people rail against some harmeless kids just because they love star wars. Would these kids be 'cooler' if they were selling cocaine or heroin on the same street instead? People have a fucked up idea of who to slag off.

    Yeah - like what OS people run on their computers.

    I don't go out of my way to riducule people, but for the love of Jebus, some people just DESERVE it. You don't walk around in public with Jedi robes on just because you love it - you do it to get attention. You are begging to be made fun of if you camp out in front of a movie theater to see a movie.

    So let me get this straight - the only alternatives to waiting in line to see a (bad) movie are to sell drugs? Gee, couldn't you think of a more extreme example? I am certainly not saying that people shouldn't be individuals, and I am in no way advocating conformance just for the sake of it. But if you are going to be different, be different and be proud of it. If people rail on you for camping out in costume, either have the balls to take it or go home.

    And this is such a hypocricial point, I have to mention it again: People have a fucked up idea of who to slag off.

    Geeks are the WORST at this. Geeks have some of the largest egos I have ever seen, geeks can be very judgementall a-holes. Don't gripe when people do to you what you do to everyone else on a daily basis, just for different reasons.

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    1. Re:Hypocrite by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Geeks are the WORST at this. Geeks have some of the largest egos I have ever seen, geeks can be very judgementall a-holes. Don't gripe when people do to you what you do to everyone else on a daily basis, just for different reasons.

      If I had mod points, I'd mod you up insightful for this paragraph alone.

      Taking an arrogant pride in being different just because you *can't* fit in is as bad as any form of conformity. Often it just takes a different form of conformity; I could mention particular patterns of modding stuff down because it conflicts with the groupthink of certain Slashdotters, but it would just distract from the main issue and get me marked as a troll.

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  118. Re:Star Wars geeks by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    "It is thus completely unlike dressing up as armies of orcs and elves and running around in the forest hitting each other with sticks*. Which I hear is popular in Scandinavia."

    Haven't they been doing that on and off there for the past 3,000 years? Except for that time they put on horned helmets 1,300 years or so ago and played with boats for a while.

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  119. The Arclight... by koganuts · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and late night talk shows, Jimmy Kimmel's show tapes directly across the street from the Chinese. They have *got* to look across the street and see the comedy gold mine that's basically fallen into their laps.

    The funniest part about this is that the line-goers *refuse* to move to the Arclight, even though the Mann theatre chain has confirmed thus far that they're not playing the movie either. They're still holding out hope that the Chinese will be playing it, like it apparently has for the line-goers for Episodes I and II.

    More about the line here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

    On that note, here's a Top 10 Reasons [the line] should move to the Arclight.
    10. The Episode 3 is playing at the Arclight, not Grauman's Chinese.
    9. Hot chicks go to the Arclight
    8. Caramel Corn!
    7. You won't trip over the stupid holes in sidewalk like around here.
    6. People will stop telling you to 'Get a life.'
    5. Natalie Portman goes to the movies at the Arclight.
    4. You're that much closer to Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles.
    3. You can play the 'Count the Hipster' game.
    2. The Episode 3 is playing at the Arclight, not Grauman's Chinese.
    1. The Trekkies are laughing at you.

    Hell, Wil Wheaton (yes, it's actually him and not a comment troll) even told the line to get a life here.

    1. Re:The Arclight... by koganuts · · Score: 1

      You have to wonder what the guy up in Seattle who's been waiting up in line for *five months* for Episode III feels about this.

  120. And then... by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 1

    The LOTR and Star Trek fans drove by in a convertiable flipping off the geeks and groping their girlfriend's breasts. The SW geeks chased after them with their 13370 toy flashlight lightsabers.

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  121. Geek, nerd, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about using a more appropriate term for both:
    dork.

    1. Re:Geek, nerd, etc. by gothzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The way I always understood it was like this:
      Geek: very smart with good people skills
      Nerd: very smart with poor people skills
      Dork: dumb with poor people skills

  122. This is all a sham... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    These are not the droids you're looking for...

    There are many promotion companies which will organize "fans" to camp out outside a theater to be among the first to see it.

    It's a media event designed to generate word-of-mouth "buzz" for the movie, and generate free media publicity when a TV station/newspaper runs a story about the obsessed fans dying to see the new movie.

    It's fake.

  123. Better places to find news on the Star Wars line by Dram · · Score: 1

    If you want to find out what is really happening at Mann's Chinese Theater, you would be better off checking out Blogging.la. They are the ones that first started talking about the story and have since been quoted by E!Online and others, but of course get no lovin' from those sites.

  124. And what happens when... by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 1

    the opening night viewing has come and gone? I mean, even if the movie were to meet with expectations (unlikely), it must produce a large vacuum in one's life to have all that build up and then not continue one's assumed vocation anymore.

    Not trolling, just curious.

  125. The *real* reason they don't care... by nutrock69 · · Score: 1

    ...is that they'll have already downloaded and seen the movie before the premier.

    The MPAA would frown on them admitting it to the press, so you won't find this in any article about them. :)

  126. Re:Triumph another funny one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i like the part where he goes up to the pregnant Star Wars fan and says that being born is the last time the baby will ever see female genitalia.

  127. Saw Ep IV Premier at the Chinese by SiliconEntity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know you guys like these old timer stories...

    I saw Episode IV (the first one, at the time just called Star Wars) on its premier at the Chinese Theater (then called Mann's before the name went back to Graumann's). We didn't camp out but we did spend a couple hours in line.

    Science fiction wasn't a big deal in those days. Probably the biggest sci fi film previously was 2001 from almost 10 years earlier. The last "line around the block" movie was Love Story. I was hoping it wouldn't be too crowded, but the weekend before it opened Time magazine had a big spread on the movie, with pictures that made it look fantastic. So we did have to wait pretty long.

    But we got good seats, and as the lights went down I heard a couple of guys talking in the row behind us. Apparently they were in the industry and had already seen the movie in pre-release.

    "I really envy the people here," he said.

    "Why?" asked his buddy.

    "Because they're about to see Star Wars for the first time."

    1. Re:Saw Ep IV Premier at the Chinese by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can relate to what the industry folks were talking about. As a fellow old timer, I saw Star Wars for the first time (first 10 times, actually) in the theatre in 1977 and was absolutely blown away by the special effects. When the Star Destroyer flew overhead in the opening scene, the entire audience gasped in astonishment, and everyone was wondering just how BIG that thing was. First (and only) wait in line for the premier was for Return of the Jedi - My friends and I got there at 8:00 AM the day of for an 11:00 AM showing. I still have the ticket stub (from the pre-computerized movie ticket days) that indicates my place in line - 00000020.

  128. he could even use some star wars lines! by Savatte · · Score: 1

    who's more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?

  129. Chinese Menu a Mixed Combination by cei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since moving to LA I've enjoyed many films at the Chinese Theater. In my opinion, it's still the best screen and auditorium in town. It seems like at the Chinese you're more likely to have a good crowd that's really into the film and having a good time. (The room holds close to 1500 people and the energy levels can be contagious... I always get a smile on my face when people start cheering the THX trailer before the film even starts...)

    The one downside is, sometimes they book utter crap onto their main screen. A showing at the Chinese should be about spectacle. It's not where you want to see a small, intimate romantic comedy. It's where you go when you want to see things get blown up and have the speakers blast you out of your seat. As much as the Arclight tries, it really doesn't have the same impact as the Chinese, IMHO.

    If Paramount is indeed a co-owner of Mann's, as the article mentions, that might explain some of their poor booking choices. No, I'm not in line, but I kind of agree with the guy interviewed. If it's not going to show at the Chinese, why bother seeing it on the big screen at all? Any other theater would pale in comparison and not be as enjoyable a movie-going experience.

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    1. Re:Chinese Menu a Mixed Combination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today, the Chinese is irrelevant. I *LOVE* that theater. I waited out front in line for 6 hours to see Star Wars Special Edition. (Big mistake) But nothing good plays there anymore. None of the LOTR films played on the big screen, and with Ep III not playing there that's the final nail in the coffin. Not that the movie will be any good--but it's just not right. I think I saw the second Matrix movie there and Team America--that's about it for the past few years. (I only went there to see TA because I was on Hollywood Boulveard showing some friends around at the time)

    2. Re:Chinese Menu a Mixed Combination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I suggest you try the Vista theatre. I actually prefer it to the "Chinese" and it costs $4.75 for matinee.

      http://local.google.com/local?q=vista+theatre&hl=e n&lr=&sa=G&near=90027&rl=1&sc=1&radius=0&latlng=34 104031,-118292516,10632649367336762526

  130. Re:Not virgins... nice try, but no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you put it into historical perspective? Especially Jewish historical perspective. If you were a Jewish girl, you could be one of three things:

    Married
    Unmarried and virgin
    Unmarried and non-virgin

    The first two were acceptable. The last was punishable by stoning. It's highly unlikely Mary was an unmarried non-virgin. It's also unlikely that she had been married before as she was a "young girl" as you pointed out. Please do your homework next time.

  131. SPACEBALLS! by Svartalf · · Score: 1
    Okay... Now, you've done it... Now I've got to do some "obligatory" Spaceballs quotes.


    "Sandurz, Sandurz! You got to help me! I don't know what to do! I can't make decisions! I'm a President!" - President Skroob

    Sandurz : Prepare for light speed.
    Helmet : No, no, light speed is too slow.
    Sandurz : Light speed too slow?
    Helmet : Yes, we'll have to go right to...Ludicrous Speed!
    Sandurz : Ludicrous Speed! Sir, we've never gone that fast before... I don't think the ship can take it.
    Helmet : What's the matter, Colonel Sandurz...CHICKEN?!
    Sandurz : [In a squeaky, terrified voice...] Prepare Ship...
    Sandurz : [In a much more composed voice...] Prepare Ship for Ludicrous Speed...

    [Sandurz rattles on for a couple of minutes about closing the three ring circus, canceling things, etc...]

    Helmet : [To Sandurz as he snatches the PA mic from him...] Give me that, you pathetic excuse for a commander!
    Helmet : [Into PA system...] Ludicrous Speed! Go!

    [The ship takes off. The display lights up: Light Speed, Ridiculous Speed, and then Ludicrous Speed.
    Helmet is being pulled back horizontally, barely holding on for dear life on the control console.]

    Helmet : Whoooaaa! What have I done? My brains are going into my feet.

    [Spaceball One blasts past the Winnebago with a full head of steam...]

    Helmet : [In a strained voice...] We passed them! Stop this thing!
    Sandurz : [In a strained voice...] We can't stop! It's too dangerous! We have to slow down first.
    Helmet : [In a strained voice...] Bullshit! Just stop this thing! I order you- Stooooop!

    [Sandurz pulls on a lever with indicator lights which reads, "Emergency Stop, Never Use."
    The ship stops and Dark Helmet goes flying into a panel. Sandurz has a horrified look on his face as he frantically unbuckles himself from his seat]

    Sandurz : [picks Helmet up] Are you all right, Sir?

    [Helmet looks stoned/punch-drunk with smashed up glasses...]

    Helmet : Fine... How've you been?
    Sandurz : Fine, Sir.
    Helmet : Good...
    Sandurz : It's a good thing you were wearing that helmet.
    Helmet : Yeah...
    Sandurz : What should we do now, sir?
    Helmet : Well... Are we stopped?
    Sandurz : We're stopped, sir.
    Helmet : Good... Well, why don't we take a five minute break?
    Sandurz : Very good, Sir.
    Helmet : ...Smoke if you got 'em. [Falls forward on his face with a loud thud...]

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  132. Re:Not virgins... nice try, but no by teshuvah · · Score: 1
    If a "virgin birth" was a messianic sign, then why didn't she run to the Jewish leaders and proclaim that she was pregnant with the messiah? Why did she keep it to herself?

    Pre-meditated murder isa crime that carries the death penalty in most places, but it still happens. Using your logic, it never happens because it is punishable by death. Either Mary had sex with Joseph, she was raped, she cheated on him, or the whole thing is made up (probably the case).

    I find it funny that the first gospel written (Mark) doesn't make any mention of a "virgin birth" or an ascension to heaven after he resurrected (Mark contains the ascension now, but that was an admitted later addition to the gospel.) Mark protrays a very human messiah.

    Contrast that with John, the last gosepl written, and you have a demi-god incarnate born of a virgin, who ascends to heaven after he is resurrected.

    Don't you see how the story evolved over time and people began to embellish?

  133. Re:HERE is Black Wolf the Dragon Master's website. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  134. Tickets are already on sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  135. Completely fictional! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    As other replies have pointed out, the parent post is plagiarized. However, I would like to add that in addition to being plagiarized, the parent post is fictional. There was no pope elected in 1866. There was no need to elect a pope at that point, as Pope Pius IX (born GIOVANNI MARIA MASTAI-FERRETTI) was alive and well. He was pope from 1846-78. This can easily be verified by consulting http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm, a complete listing of popes from an online catholic encyclopedia.

    Incidentally, the shortest reigning pope, according to wikipedia, was # Urban VII (September 15 - September 27, 1590): reigned on 13 calendar days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_10_shortest-r eigning_Popes

    1. Re:Completely fictional! by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 1

      ever hear of one of these?

      seriously, what's wrong with you? anyone could figure out from the post that it was funny. shades of James H. Vipond (anyone else remember that guy?)

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      May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage. RAmen.
  136. Half the fun is the journey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was an organizer of the Toronto lines in '99 and '02. The lines are not about getting in first. They're not about securing the right seats. Rather they're an excuse to get out of the house and totally geek out with a group of likeminded folk. Our line was part giant street party, part sci-fi convention and a great experience overall. Were I not a new father with a tyke to keep an eye on, you can be sure I'd be out on the sidewalk again this time.

    Even if the theatre they're lined at - which they've likely chosen for nostalgic reasons - never gets the film, as has been pointed out time and again, they can just as easily secure their tickets by phone or online.

    For the SW Geeks, where you line up for the film isn't important, all that's important is that you have fun doing it - because if you're not having fun then it's just a line and lines suck.

  137. Episode 1-3 Scripts Were Available in Early 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW, there were scripts floating around the net back in the early 90's for the the first three episodes. Episode three did have Annakin visiting some volcanic planet in order to retrieve a relic for the emporer. Obi-Wan pursues him there and fights with Annakin. Annakin falls into the lava due to some earthquakes and is retrieved by some droids who return him to the Emporer. The Emporer's priests then resurrect Annakin and place him in his new robot body.

  138. Have some Respect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, it is generally considered crass to insult the recently deceased. Secondly, at least restrict yourself to truthful insults.

    1. Re:Have some Respect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to burst your bubble, but gays != child molesters. In fact, despite all the untruths that the Right is trying to foist off on people (as documented here), the percentage of child molesters who are homosexual is actually in the single digits.

  139. or worse by Savatte · · Score: 1

    luke at that speed will you be able to pull out in time?

    1. Re:or worse by Golias · · Score: 1

      It's not impossible! I used to bulls-eye womp rats with my T-16 back home, and they couldn't have been much more that two meters wide...

      Oh wait! I mean... (sigh) I'll go sleep on the couch.

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  140. Oh my pants. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    This guy makes me look slick, urbane and balanced. Can he even hear himself talking? Has it dawned on him that he's not only a nerd---which you can't blame him for---but also a pretentious ass, which is totally his fault, and makes him a completely legitimate target for atomic wedgies.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  141. Flame some more, Jackass by tekunokurato · · Score: 1

    The submitter is an idiot. Yes, nerds probably don't get as much sex as the typical jock that drinks their date into submission, but I found a picture of sarah sprauge, who's quoted in the article: http://www.liningup.net/mb/album_pic.php?pic_id=11 21 A little bit nerdy, sure. But you think she's never had sex? Somehow I doubt it. There are lots of attractive and I'm sure intelligent people over at liningup.net.

    1. Re:Flame some more, Jackass by Rollie+Hawk · · Score: 0

      Flame me some more, too, jackass.

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  142. Re:Line Films by rob_squared · · Score: 1
    "Linux, gaming or hacker convention? How many have gone to some sort of industry conference?"

    Most of these serve some defined constructive purpose. Yes, entertainment is a purpose, but it doesn't necessarily teach, improve you, or get you money.

    --
    I don't get it.
  143. It'll still suck. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, I thought the preview looked pretty good too. But I don't trust George Lucas. You don't know the power of his urge to make shitty movies! Hayden Christenson will be a whiny bitch, there's going to be some sort of "American Idol" in-joke, and you're going to be so surprised, and you're going to bring your abused, broken heart here, blubbering your sorrow all over another thousand-comment thread, and you're going to receive the biggest "I told you so" ever fucking constructed.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  144. "LOL"? by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Dear me, you seem to have said "LOL". Please turn your geek membership card in at the nearest comics shop or computer repair place. You've failed it, young padawan.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  145. Ironic Laughter by whig · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, it appears that the guys with girlfriends will have the last laugh as the Chinese Theater isn't even premiering the film.

    As it turns out, the spokesperson quoted in TFA for the group waiting in line at the Chinese Theater *is* my ex-girlfriend!

    I hope she's doing well. We haven't talked to one another in a very long time, although I've since been happily married myself.

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    Peace and love, y'all
    1. Re:Ironic Laughter by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      She's standing in line waiting for another steaming pile of Star Wars. I don't think she's doing well.

  146. Waiting in line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There's been a few posts on how one guy said he didn't care that he was waiting in the wrong line; he wasn't there for the tickets, he was there for the line. Think about it. You've got a huge party of hundreds of people that all have at least one thing in common. Sounds fun to me.

    And it isn't just geeks who share this view. A while back, I was dating this girl who was a diehard Hanson fan (blech! I'm sure that's what lead to our breakup), and she said she used to enjoy waiting in line for the concert more than the concert itself.

    It makes no sense to me; I can't stand waiting around for indefinite periods of time. But to each his own.

    [az]

  147. Re:Line Films by radish · · Score: 1

    How many have gone to some sort of industry conference?
    Conferences I go to because of work are in Hotels. With beds, minibars, and expenses. I stopped wanting to sleep outside for the sake of it many years ago...

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  148. so, can anyone tell me if by advocate_one · · Score: 1
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    Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
  149. Only For Cameron Indoor and Pearl Jam tickets by toolshed7 · · Score: 1

    Those only things standing in line for. StarWars whats the point...they just dont have anything better to do, which is cool...if you are in to that...because we need weridos in this world that pledge their allegince to the Hipnode TOAD....

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  150. What's cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it cool to make fun of people who "are now" what you "were then"?

  151. They should get the film now by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would be even more hilarious if they change their mind and open the film now that everyone is out of line...

  152. Good grief by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're getting a wage, maybe it's nice to have a reason.

  153. Re:HERE is Black Wolf the Dragon Master's website. by MoonFacedAssassin · · Score: 1

    His site is down now...

    I guess he finally got laid.

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    I am a meat popsicle.
  154. Re:Line Films by zoomba · · Score: 1

    This coming from an AC on slashdot.

  155. Day Late and a Dollar Short by ianmac47 · · Score: 1

    This had already been reported at Parade of Delusion.

    And what the article doesn't tell you is the number of the pay phone outside the theater:
    (323) 462-9609.

  156. Origins! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    And Mithras! And sorta kinda a pinch of Osiris! But mostly Mithras.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  157. tragic by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    thats right, these people seem to be a bit too obsessed, but the fact is if they really cared enough they would be lining up to suck the producer off so they could see the preview, male or female, gay or straight.

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  158. psychology study on homophobia by krunk4ever · · Score: 2, Informative

    another study i recently learnt in my psych class is that people how have high homophobia tend to get more aroused when watching same sex (male or female) erotic films.

    the study was done on middle age men and they took a survey to have their homophobia rated. the independent variable was the erotic film displayed (opposite sexes vs same sexes) and the dependent variable was the increase in radius of the penis.

    low homophobic men's penis grew radially larger than high homophobic men when watching opposite sex erotic films. however, high homophobic men's penis grew radially larger than low homophobic men when watching same sex erotic films.

    this led to the conclusion that high homophobic men are actually in denial and has utilized one of our defense mechanisms known as reaction formation to help them cope with this denial.

  159. Re:"nerd-hags" by yasth · · Score: 2, Funny

    LARP. That is all. Really don't expect the pages of playboy come to life, but bawdy can be good.

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  160. First of all, it's the ArcLight Cinerama Dome by sideshow · · Score: 1

    How can you be more of a nerd then to see Star Wars in the theater inspired by Buckminster Fuller?

    Second, this theater has assigned seating. I can buy tickets online 2 months before the movie starts and not show up until 3 minutes before starting time and have the best seats in the house. People standing in line would look pretty lame.

    Third, there is a bar inside the lobby of the theater. This is key.

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    Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.

  161. Camping is about the wait by blake.cg · · Score: 1
    I waited all day in line for Star Wars Episode II. Not because I thought it was going to be good, but because it's a lot more fun waiting in line with a bunch of nerds / random people than it is going to class senior year of high school.

    There's a local theatre called Big Newport which gets people camping for weeks. The theatre is very supportive and allows the tents to setup in a nice grassy area and provides them with power and bathroom access.

    Come release day it just gets crazy. I remember the first tent had YATTA! playing all day. Every 15 minutes you'd hear a fog horn, people would run up to the tent and chant YATTA! YATTA! It was damned frightening at first, but then I joined in and had one hell of a time.

    There was also saber fighting, frisbee, LAN gaming, etc. It was just a damn good time. The fun is in the wait. I'd be in line this year but I'll be at E3 all day. I think I'm going to explode from nerd overload -- in a good way.

  162. Anyone call? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got off the phone with Carl and I learned a thing or two about what exactly people do when they wait outside of a theater for star wars. People actually do get off the line to go to work or school and clean themselves up and can return to their same spot in line.

    PS: According to him, not many people at all are dressed up in costume. "Theres a time and a place for those kinda things."

    1. Re:Anyone call? by sootman · · Score: 1

      PS: According to him, not many people at all are dressed up in costume. "Theres a time and a place for those kinda things."

      Yeah. The time and place is in front of the right theater. :-)

      (Sorry, couldn't resist. Yeah, I read the other comments, I know it's for charity and they might get the movie after all, blah blah blah.)

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  163. You're going to hell Taco by KidSock · · Score: 1

    These poor saps got in the wrong line, were made fun of for their devotion to a once great film genre, and you called them life-long virgins on the biggest geek site in the civilized world. I bet you drive a big truck Taco. Huh? Am I right? Insecure bastard.

    1. Re:You're going to hell Taco by Rollie+Hawk · · Score: 0

      Actually, I wrote it.

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    2. Re:You're going to hell Taco by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?

  164. You don't want to check tickets for these droids by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Move along now ...

    Yes, Obi-wan, the dark side is strong in this line.

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  165. Does anybody care any more? by Animats · · Score: 1
    A recent Lucas epic (I or II, I forget which) opened in Silicon Valley at the big Century Theaters multiplex in Mountain View. This is across the street from SGI's Silicon Studios division, in the midst of a large, high-tech industrial park, and half a mile from NASA Ames.

    The Century Theaters booked half their screens for the film. They hired extra security guards. They were ready for huge crowds.

    On opening day, many of the seats were empty. No lines. Bored security guards.

    It was over.

  166. Blogging.la Credit by jakkalsdrif · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to point out that blogging.la broke this story and continues to follow it, and none of the national media that picked it up has credited us at all. e! Online even quotes from our site and comments, yet fails to acknowledge where they came from.

  167. Lifelong Virgin by Danga · · Score: 1

    I don't understand what is meant by "lifelong virgin". If you are a currently a virgin you have been one your whole life by definition. If they meant old, nerdy, virgins they should have said something like 30+ year old virgins who still live in their parents basement.

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  168. Lines by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
    My local paper had a front page on the line for the star wars 3 tickets last week. Well, the *one guy* who turned up at midnight when the tickets went on sale that is.

    And, looking at the picture of his ticket, it was free seating anyway :-)

  169. Re:Not virgins... nice try, but no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I find it funny that the first gospel written (Mark) doesn't make any mention of a "virgin birth" or an ascension to heaven after he resurrected (Mark contains the ascension now, but that was an admitted later addition to the gospel.) Mark protrays a very human messiah.


    So, lets follow this logic...
    If it isn't mentioned, it didn't happen.

    Consider the possibility that Mark concentrated on what he thought was important.

    Proclaiming Jesus as fully human is not unorthodox, most conservative scholars believe him to be fully man and fully God. If you think Mark didn't consider Jesus to be God... I would debate that point.

    "7And he was preaching, and saying, "After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals.

    8"I baptized you [b]with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." " Mark 1:7-8 NASB
  170. Re:Not virgins... nice try, but no by teshuvah · · Score: 1
    So you're arguing that a person being born of a virgin, and ascending into heaven isn't important? LOL, that's brilliant!

    Those are two of christianity's corenerstones. How could something like a woman being knocked up by G-d NOT be important to the author? How is the fact that JC fly into heaven NOT important?

    Wow.

    You can't be "fully man and fully G-d." The two are mutually exclusive. It's like saying that my pet is fully dog and fully cat. It's one or the other.

    And as for your quotes from Mark, I fail to see how they say that Mark thought JC was G-d?

  171. Re:Translation From Latin by DecimalThree · · Score: 1

    I hope you weren't implying the KJV was translated from the latin. The KJV was translated from the textus receptus.

  172. Some line-ups benefit charities by inkswamp · · Score: 1
    Yeah, hardcore Star Wars fans are easy targets, but many of these early line-ups (especially the high profile ones in bigger areas) are tied into charity efforts. I'm not sure if the one here is or not, but I wouldn't be surprised, given the venue. Some of the fans get together and have people sponsor them to stand in line for a specific charity, the same way you might for a sports events or whatnot. It's no different... people doing what they love and others supporting them (and their chosen charity) with pledges. It's actually very cool. Everyone comes out happy.

    But yeah, go ahead and mock them, if it makes you feel superior.

    And btw, the old "never kissed a girl" stereotype of SW fans hasn't been true for ages--if ever at all. All of the hardcore SW fans I know are also very well-adjusted and socially adept. They just happen to like a particular movie. Funny, I don't see these accusations of rampant virginity being slung around when we're talking about The Lord of the Rings films and yet, that seems to be about the same class of fans from what I can tell.

    But again... it's all about feeling superior. I know. Go ahead and mock them. And feel really good about yourself when you do it too. You deserve it.

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    --Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
    1. Re:Some line-ups benefit charities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And btw, the old "never kissed a girl" stereotype of SW fans hasn't been true for ages--if ever at all

      dude no kidding! i know a guy who is a total star wars freak and he's probably bonked more chicks than i've met.

  173. Re:Translation From Latin by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
    I hope you weren't implying the KJV was translated from the latin. The KJV was translated from the textus receptus.

    I knew it was from an older version (not that I could name it!), but prior to that, the only copies in Great Britain were in latin apparently. This gave the church a lot of importance in society, as people depended on the priests for guidance; they couldn't just read it themselves.

    Don't you think it's funny though, how the British Empire version of the bible is also the most predominant one in former British colonies? No coincidence there.

  174. Time Off of Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need a job that will allow me to take the time off to sit outside that long for movie tickets.

  175. Don't understand why people find it so strange by ArcticCelt · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I like science fiction but I have never dressed like a character or joined any fan club on the subject.

    Still, I don't understand why people find it so strange that a small amount of hardcore fans dress each two years like their favorite hero but then, never make fun of the thousands of stupid jocks that paint their faces and go dressed in a clown looking way to their favorite football game every Sunday.

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    1. Re:Don't understand why people find it so strange by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 1

      Because the jocks will beat the shit out of you if you do that.

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      And the brethren went away edified.
    2. Re:Don't understand why people find it so strange by Jakeypants · · Score: 1

      Well, I dressed like Frodo and made fun of a bunch of stupid jocks, but it didn't work out so well for me.

  176. What I'm thinking is by serutan · · Score: 1

    Shhhhh! Don't tell them. Maybe they'll just stay there.

  177. You all seem to be a bit confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err, you're horribly confused.

    The *immaculate conception* is Mary's birth (her being held back from the inheritance of the sinful nature), not that of Jesus! The *virgin birth* (a birth without loss of virginity) would be Jesus' birth. They are NOT the same.

    As for the Hebrew, "alma" means young woman, though there are endless debates over who revised what meaning. This is especially fun if you read how it was translated in the Septuagint (the Greek translation in ancient times of the Hebrew scriptures) ...

    For those confused on that, there were apparently disagreements over this in ancient times too.

  178. Retcons commonplace by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Continuity has never been a particularly strong priority amongst the script editors at the Catholic Church. A lot of people are still pretty bummed about the 1965 relaunch of the franchise. People are often upset whenever anybody does something that could negatively impact the market for collectibles .

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  179. Dorkage by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    I once knew a rather interesting circle of people who considered themselves "dorks" in a positive way, the same way many of us here consider ourselves "geeks" or "nerds" (pick your preferred term). They made me realize that any label can be taken for its positive or its negative connotations:

    For the three examples you've given:

    GEEK
    Negative: People overly obsessed with trivial, minor things of no real importance. And ok, they're kinda smart too.
    Positive: People capable of devoting their full attention to the complete comprehension of any interesting topic.

    NERD
    Negative: People who are too damn smart for their own good AND have no grasp of what's cool or popular.
    Positive: People who care more about high intelligence and technical competence than trivial status symbols.

    DORK
    Negative: People who just have no grasp of what's cool or popular, and are probably too dumb to be able to anyway.
    Positive: People who just don't care what's popular, including geeky meritocracies. "Genuine", unabashed people.

    Almost any application of a social clique label can be applied the same way. I know people who use "goth" or "hippie" as insults, while others take one or the other as compliments, whichever they consider themselves. I personally am happy to be considered myself a 'member' of both cliques - hey, both groups of people like me, who's to complain? - but if say, a 'hippie' calls me a 'goth' as an insult, I can still be insulted just by the intent behind it. It doesn't make me ashamed of my 'gothic' tendencies. Same deal if a 'goth' tried to insult me by calling me a 'hippie'.

    These labels are all used both by one group to isolate another group, and for the target group to find solidarity amongst themselves. Like "nigger" it can be good or bad depending on who uses it. But other than for descriptive purposes, as a short hard to refer to 'people with these common qualities', either use is harmful in that it is exclusive thinking. If you think that geeks/goths/yourclique are better than jocks/hippies/theirclique, that's just as bad as the jocks/hippies/theirclique thinking they're better than you.

    People are all different. Labels can be useful as jargon to refer to those differences, but using labels for identity is nothing less than groupthink and leads to the type of us-vs-them thinking that is the root of most of mankind's social problems.

    Be who you are, and if you match the description of some 'clique' archetype and they (the clique) like you the better for it, good for you, you're popular. If they don't like something about you because it doesn't match their archetype, screw them and their closed-minded thinking.

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  180. 42 and towels by Darthmalt · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know how many of those making fun of the SW fans camping out will be carrying towels to se H2G2

  181. Take a humanities course! by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    Geeze... my intro humanities class at my community college in Orlando was able to provide a better understanding of this than you!

    Essentially the KJV version is probably considered the LEAST accurate of any version for 2 reasons:
    1) It was translated from Latin to Old English (not from the original texts).

    2) It was created for largely political reasons. The king and the pope didn't get along very well.

    Some of the most accurate translations are the NIV, and the NRSV. Why? Because we know a lot more about linguistics and translation of ancient texts now in our modern 21st century rational, logical, and objective thought process than the monks and priests did back in the 12th century! We also took it directly from the source, not from the Latin texts.

    Also if you ever do take a Hebrew/Roman/Middle Ages humanities course you will learn a lot about this subject. Another thing to keep in mind is that with modern translations there is signifigant peer review which did not exist as much in earilier times. Today if something signifigant was changed in a translation that was largely accepted as innacurate or biased, Biblical scholars, churches, and historians would scream bloody murder. This prevents major alterations to the modern text without peer review and general acceptance.

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  182. War in the Bible? Certainly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't remember the good guys starting any wars in the bible, it was all peace and love, you know, the good things.

    With this statement alone, I know that you are not a Bible Scholar. There were plenty of good guys in the bible who started wars... and even more who fought wars.

    Some of the more notable examples:

    Joshua and Jericho, where the tribes of Israel effectively invaded Canaan

    Repeated warfare with the Philistines

  183. Pranking the Pay Phone next to them in line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a friend and i got ahold of the pay phone number outside of the Theater where they are lined up. We pranked em a few times and put the audio of it online for all to hear... here's a link the other pranks are on the same page....

    http://homepage.mac.com/bugdave/iMovieTheater15.ht ml

  184. Prank Phone calls to the pay phone near them by BugDave · · Score: 1

    Here are 3 pranks calls made to the pay phone next to them inline. The other 2 are linked at the top on the same site.

    http://homepage.mac.com/bugdave/iMovieTheater15.ht ml

    1. Re:Prank Phone calls to the pay phone near them by BugDave · · Score: 1

      posted 2 new pranks...enjoy...They are on the same site as the link posted above

    2. Re:Prank Phone calls to the pay phone near them by BugDave · · Score: 1

      Posted 2 new prank calls ranging from yoda being compared to michael jackson, child molester and a drunken quiz show host, although the caller doesn't seem to notice and believes it's egit, to earn tickets to the screening of star wars. click the link above or here to listen http://homepage.mac.com/bugdave/iMovieTheater17.ht ml

  185. huh huh look at the virgins by RevAaron · · Score: 1

    I wonder what percentage of those who make comments like in this posting ("i.e. lifelong virgins") are either virgins, or were only deflowered by their best friend at boy scout camp, a paid lady for Nevada, or the cheapest technicality- counting oral sex or a handjob as something that qualifies you as a non-virgin. Or, maybe their girlfriend almost never puts out, so they feel compelled to put other people down to make themselves feel more like a man.

    Anyway, it's lame and old. That's all I'm trying to say.

    P.S. My girlfriend wants to sit in line for Episode 3. Although, she only wants to wait in line for the night, but still- I'm in. Those whacky experiences are the things you remember for your whole life- like a road trip, etc. To each his own.

    P.P.S. I even have sex with her.

    P.P.P.S. Nerd girlfriends are the best girlfriends, most of the time. Except when their nuts. Then they're the worst.

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  186. Perspective by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    This makes the guys associated with the Klingon Language Institute look like hard nosed realists

  187. Re:Star Wars geeks by Xtifr · · Score: 1

    Hmm, I consider myself less geeky than someone who thinks the Geek Hierarchy chart needs new entries for "Real RPGer" -> "D&Der" -> "LARPer".

    On the other hand, I'm also in the category of people who have played board games with Lore (creator of the chart), which may push my geek quotient back over the top. :)

  188. My masochism has its limits. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    My livingroom is the best theater in the area (And there's an ACTUAL theater next door)...my usenet feed is so damned fast it's like a direct connection to some internet deity...the recent upgrade to my line makes me a bittorrent god... And yet...

    Free isn't good enough...I still wouldn't see this damned movie if someone PAID ME. Enough is enough. It's one thing to make these crappy prequels, because really, he was going to one way or another, and there was no helping the fact that they'd suck. JarJar...so what? I can ignore JarJar. I ignore imbeciles all day, it's become reflex. There's ONE THING, and ONE THING ONLY that killed Star Wars for me. George, you're a damned idiot...and HAN SHOT FIRST.

    Okay, that's my overt display of geek bravado for the month, back to pretending I have a life. Let my savage e-stoning begin!

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  189. Gack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is newsworthy...why?

  190. That's not sad, that natural selection! by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    Let's all celebrate the incredible great system we have. Natural selection weeds out the unfit, and we should all be damn grateful when it does. These horrible nerds really SHOULD NEVER HAVE SEX. I've seen the results when they do. You get more individuals like people describe below who are simply painful to be around, or worse.

    BTW, you meant flipping them OFF, not of, right?

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  191. Empathy vs the Analytical approach by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    Tell that to Congress indeed! Or more important, the CEOs that are running this country. The whole point of the western analytical approach to life is to basically Divide & Conquer. Break up everything, separate it into little tiny boxes and deal with them one at a time. And _separate yourself_ from the process as much as possible; this way your own empathy neuron/gene/whatever won't kick in.
    1. Get some poor bastard in a call center to take all the shit, and
    2. Make them powerless to help.
    3. Profit!

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  192. LiningUpTV by ianmalcm · · Score: 1
    I'm posting this FROM the line in Hollywood.


    The facts are:


    - Episode 1 was booked at Cinerama Dome

    - Episode 2 was booked at Arclight Dome

    - each time, a last minute deal was struck and Star Wars premiered at Grauman's Chinese



    Who's to say this wont happen again? Also, George is infamous for his hardon for digital films - the Arclight does not have Digital Projection. Grauman's Chinese does. Vader's frickin footprints are at the Chinese Theatre.


    No matter where its playing, people will be lined up. LiningUpTV will be broadcasting from the line, and show fan films and the fans in line 24/7. We're scheduled to start it up Friday at www.liningup.net

  193. Im just a girl but.... by designjunkies · · Score: 1

    Im a girl who enjoys Star Wars / Sci fi - its a tad more challenging than episodes of "Backyard Blitz". What's my point.. um.. will definately see the new episode, unlikely to dress up - but you can bet I would never dress up like a clown and go to the footy if you paid me!!!

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  194. Re:Not virgins... nice try, but no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To avoid some confusion, there are two AC's floating around this thread... I posted the parent "nice try, but no..."

    Anyway there are a lot of issues to bounce back and forth on, and this being slashdot, I'm sure they've been bounced back and forth on many times in the past already. But I just wanted to make a quick comment here on what I see as the key to all this, and that is your statement

    'You can't be "fully man and fully G-d." The two are mutually exclusive....'

    That someone can indeed be both is also a cornerstone (if not *the* cornerstone) of Christianity. And it, like many things in the bible, has to be taken on faith. I'm sure the word 'faith' throws up a huge red flag which screams "circular argument of only the bible can prove the bible." And yes, there's a lot of logic to that.

    For a long time, I was frustrated at the very same thing--that the only proof for the bible seems to be in the bible. All I can really say is it's not so much a search for proof... you just have to have an open heart (and I admit I feel very strange talking like this on slashdot of all places) to the idea that it's possible all this really did happen.

    It's possible that there are more truths than those which science or slashdot or logic can prove. You are searching it seems, and that's cool. I hope you find truth. Just don't let "science" be the limit of your possibilities. (And that statement will either sound a little profound to you, or I have just conveniently saved you the trouble of finding an argument against me. ;)

  195. I sense .... by smoker2 · · Score: 1

    a disturbance in the force !