Which came first? I mean, I know what you meant to say, but it comes out sounding like Sun is playing catchup to Microsoft, which is a little backwards since Java came first and.Net is just Gates playing catchup.
Since when has Windows been "cheap" (readily available I'll grant you)?
What are the projected price models for the configuration listed in the article in 2006 or 2007? If it's the same money as now, fine - if not, it's bullcrap - people are not going to pay $5,000 for a machine to run Longhorn unless they have to in order to make their bread and butter (or they're game geeks who don't know any better).
If the machine as specified only costs $1-2,000 in 2007, then fine, Longhorn will sell.
But by then Linux will be more than able to use such a machine and we'll be at kernel 3.0 or 4.0 and version 4 or 5 of KDE/GNOME with 3D X Window desktops or whatever. Linux will be scaled to 64-way CPUs by then with stability.
And Linux will still cost less than Windows - including TCO.
So just how is Longhorn going to save Microsoft's ass from Linux? The only possible way is via the patents, as the recent Slashdot story points out. Gates is going to break everything in Longhorn - file system, GUI, hardware requirements, API's - everything is going to have to be redone industry-wide and everyone will have to pay Gates through the nose to do it.
Except people writing for and running Linux.
No-brainer to me that Longhorn seals Microsoft's doom, not saves its ass.
Not to even mention the performance, bugs, and security woes this hog is going to cause people.
Also expanding into China isn't going to work for Gates because China, Japan and South Korea want their own Linux distro as reported here and elsewhere recently.
Who gives a shit how many pages you have open in your browser?
I have ONE - count 'em, ONE - page open right now in Opera 7.23. The only time I have more than, say, two or three, is when the idiot ad sites open in the background (then of course I do "Window Close All But Active").
50 posts about this crap...
With 2GB of RAM needed for Longhorn, maybe you should be worrying how many gigs of RAM it will take to open ONE PAGE in whatever version of IE they cram down people's throats with this hog.
> BTW, Why is Microsoft's solution to design > problems "more code" instead of "less > complexity"? They must have skipped that day in > design school.
Exactly. They hire 24-year-olds with no fraggin' clue about system design or how people use computers in the Real World - then make then Product Managers. As Hannibal said, "Second-raters, the lot."
You know why Microsoft must eventually fail? Because they're morons. And the chief moron is Bill Gates. Oh, sure, he taught himself contract law - whoop-de-doo.
Yeah - and producing crap software while they enjoy those perks because they have no clue about how people use computers in the Real World outside Redmond.
Just GOOGLE and read the descriptions of the distro's basic components, package management, general community assessment (this one is for power users, this one is for clueless Windows users, this one had better hardware detection, this one has...), pick some and look at their lists of included software (IF you have a clue what any of those package names mean or what they do - more Google).
You have CHOICE with Linux - but nobody said choice was EASY!
You want easy - wait two or three more years and buy all new hardware, then install Microsoft Longhorn.
You'll never be able to buy another OS forever - because you'll be locked in to Microsoft.
I prefer the term "free market" to "capitalist" as the latter has been irretrievably blackened by the behavior of virtually everyone in the business and political worlds.
> Windows Update is the online extension of > Windows that helps you get the most out of your > computer.
Should read:
Windows Update is the online extension of Windows that helps us get the most information out of your computer and the most money out of your wallet - otherwise we wouldn't bother issuing any patches.
Just read an article yesterday where the recent MS security patch fixing TWENTY - that's a two and a zero - vulnerabilities is breaking various things for various people.
Yes, Update DOES break things. Maybe not enough to not apply patches, but no sys admin in his right mind would apply every patch unless the related app needs it or it's a critical security patch.
I have DOS - which doesn't listen to anything unless you tell it to.
Beat that.
(Well, I'm fibbing, I actually run Windows 2000, Windows XP and Red Hat 7.3. But I remember when I used to tell clients at BOFA that modem security was not an issue with DOS since if you weren't running XTalk or something, DOS could care less if the modem was on. Of course, this meant porn took a lot longer to download...)
2003, the year of Microsofts new security initiative.
Ah, actually, Microsoft tried a "new security initiative" back in 2001 as well, IIRC.
The 2003 one is the SECOND "new security initiative" - and seems to be shaping up as effective as the first, that is, nada, zip, zilch, useless, meaningless marketing bullshit.
Nice timeline you had there, though, really shows the Microsoft competence in perspective.
This has been done in various companies and studies.
Bottom line: Linux is not harder to learn than Windows IF YOU DON'T KNOW WINDOWS! The problem is people WANT Linux to BE Windows!
This is a people problem, not a Linux problem.
How many of these Windows trolls ever ask how long it took THEM to LEARN WINDOWS WHEN THEY DID NOT KNOW WINDOWS?
I was in Federal prison from 1993 to June 2001. The last computer I worked on was a 66MHz 486 and the last computer I owned was a 33MHz 386 with 2MB of RAM running DOS with PC-Tools and some other stuff. Windows 3.1 was on it but never run because the machine didn't have 4MB of RAM.
I had to learn Windows 98 in 2001. I just installed Windows 2000 a couple months ago. I've been running Red Hat Linux 7.0 on my old machine and 7.3 on my newer machine.
So I have direct experience about learning Linux and Windows ALL AT ONCE - and at age 55 to boot.
People who say older people cannot learn Linux because it is not as "intuitive" as Windows ARE FULL OF SHIT! Period.
I have CONSTANTLY run into situations on Windows AND Linux where the software was unintuitive or downright fucking STUPID! But the main point is that once you know the basics of ANY GUI system, you can learn another one very quickly with minimal disruption.
The key point is: IF YOU WANT TO! Corporate managers do not want to regardless of any Linux advantages because they are idiots , most corporate drones do not want to (since they don't want ANY extra work regardless of what it is and what the benefits might be) and most Windows trolls don't want to because they want to run their mouths. Only when the pain of making Bill Gates the richest asshole in the world (after the guy from Ikea, right, okay) gets greater will they maybe wake up and smell the shit from Redmond.
I figure Longhorn's need for massive hardware and software upgrades maybe will do it - but I'm sure there will be a lot of morons who continue to suck it up and fork over the bucks to Bill.
There are no shortage of morons in the business world. There are morons probably running Autocoder these days.
All that matters is the EVENTUAL economics. Linux is evolving faster than Windows and costs less. Ergo, it is a near certainty that it WILL replace Windows in X amount of time - the only uncertainty is X.
The only way this can NOT happen is if somehow Bill Gates chokes on some foi gras, the Microsoft culture undergoes a massive change equivalent to IBM's embracing open source, and they actually start to spend some of their billions of R&D on REAL R&D instead of creative new DRM and licensing ideas.
That's the real problem: people want to store their stuff on something that will last forever and be relieved of the responsibility to keep transferring it to media that will last the next five or ten years.
In other words, people are both sentimental AND lazy.
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J2EE - the java version of .NET?
.Net is just Gates playing catchup.
Which came first? I mean, I know what you meant to say, but it comes out sounding like Sun is playing catchup to Microsoft, which is a little backwards since Java came first and
Yeah, the COMPUTER would be nice to have. Got no problem with that concept.
The problem is, it'll be running Longhorn - which means you'll get the same computational power as a 386...with viruses.
> Do you really think MS Word is going to get that
> much slower in just two years?
Oh, wait....
Since when has Windows been "cheap" (readily available I'll grant you)?
What are the projected price models for the configuration listed in the article in 2006 or 2007? If it's the same money as now, fine - if not, it's bullcrap - people are not going to pay $5,000 for a machine to run Longhorn unless they have to in order to make their bread and butter (or they're game geeks who don't know any better).
If the machine as specified only costs $1-2,000 in 2007, then fine, Longhorn will sell.
But by then Linux will be more than able to use such a machine and we'll be at kernel 3.0 or 4.0 and version 4 or 5 of KDE/GNOME with 3D X Window desktops or whatever. Linux will be scaled to 64-way CPUs by then with stability.
And Linux will still cost less than Windows - including TCO.
So just how is Longhorn going to save Microsoft's ass from Linux? The only possible way is via the patents, as the recent Slashdot story points out. Gates is going to break everything in Longhorn - file system, GUI, hardware requirements, API's - everything is going to have to be redone industry-wide and everyone will have to pay Gates through the nose to do it.
Except people writing for and running Linux.
No-brainer to me that Longhorn seals Microsoft's doom, not saves its ass.
Not to even mention the performance, bugs, and security woes this hog is going to cause people.
Also expanding into China isn't going to work for Gates because China, Japan and South Korea want their own Linux distro as reported here and elsewhere recently.
Yo, morons!
The article is about Longhorn's requirements.
Who gives a shit how many pages you have open in your browser?
I have ONE - count 'em, ONE - page open right now in Opera 7.23. The only time I have more than, say, two or three, is when the idiot ad sites open in the background (then of course I do "Window Close All But Active").
50 posts about this crap...
With 2GB of RAM needed for Longhorn, maybe you should be worrying how many gigs of RAM it will take to open ONE PAGE in whatever version of IE they cram down people's throats with this hog.
> BTW, Why is Microsoft's solution to design
> problems "more code" instead of "less
> complexity"? They must have skipped that day in
> design school.
Exactly. They hire 24-year-olds with no fraggin' clue about system design or how people use computers in the Real World - then make then Product Managers. As Hannibal said, "Second-raters, the lot."
You know why Microsoft must eventually fail? Because they're morons. And the chief moron is Bill Gates. Oh, sure, he taught himself contract law - whoop-de-doo.
He's right.
Linux is crap.
It's just that it's free crap. You don't pay an arm and a leg for crap like Windows makes you do.
Which is why Linux will reduce Bill Gates to blubbering incoherence.
Oh, wait, that was "The Road Ahead"...
Yeah - and producing crap software while they enjoy those perks because they have no clue about how people use computers in the Real World outside Redmond.
Yeah - and you'll need every one of them to deal with how your box got owned five minutes after you attached it to the Net.
The first page of posts - full of nervous Windows trolls!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Morons.
Linux is going to eat your lunch - and then your mother.
Have a nice day.
What, not modding this as "Trollbait"? Are you nuts? Come at me!
They're biased, they're anecdotal, they're worthless.
Just GOOGLE and read the descriptions of the distro's basic components, package management, general community assessment (this one is for power users, this one is for clueless Windows users, this one had better hardware detection, this one has...), pick some and look at their lists of included software (IF you have a clue what any of those package names mean or what they do - more Google).
You have CHOICE with Linux - but nobody said choice was EASY!
You want easy - wait two or three more years and buy all new hardware, then install Microsoft Longhorn.
You'll never be able to buy another OS forever - because you'll be locked in to Microsoft.
Have a nice day.
Complaint?
Did you get an INTERVIEW?
Did you get a JOB?
Of course no employer is going to spend two seconds telling you your resume was submitted in an inappropriate format.
The question is: did they scan it (many of them use document scanners - not the physical kind, software) - into their resume database?
Anecdotal evidence.
Worthless.
I'm not going.
I prefer the term "free market" to "capitalist" as the latter has been irretrievably blackened by the behavior of virtually everyone in the business and political worlds.
Just a nitpick.
> Windows Update is the online extension of
> Windows that helps you get the most out of your
> computer.
Should read:
Windows Update is the online extension of Windows that helps us get the most information out of your computer and the most money out of your wallet - otherwise we wouldn't bother issuing any patches.
Just read an article yesterday where the recent MS security patch fixing TWENTY - that's a two and a zero - vulnerabilities is breaking various things for various people.
Yes, Update DOES break things. Maybe not enough to not apply patches, but no sys admin in his right mind would apply every patch unless the related app needs it or it's a critical security patch.
> if the one liner shell script is too scary.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That last line was directed to MCSE "mouse monkeys", right?
You'd trust a Microsoft firewall??? Are you nuts???
Not me. I installed Kerio and AVG BEFORE configuring the XP PPPoE client.
In fact, that's still the only software I have installed on XP since I use 2000 mostly at the moment (when I'm not running Linux).
We'll remember that when the next "Anonymous Coward" Windows troll starts trashing Linux.
I have DOS - which doesn't listen to anything unless you tell it to.
Beat that.
(Well, I'm fibbing, I actually run Windows 2000, Windows XP and Red Hat 7.3. But I remember when I used to tell clients at BOFA that modem security was not an issue with DOS since if you weren't running XTalk or something, DOS could care less if the modem was on. Of course, this meant porn took a lot longer to download...)
2003, the year of Microsofts new security initiative.
Ah, actually, Microsoft tried a "new security initiative" back in 2001 as well, IIRC.
The 2003 one is the SECOND "new security initiative" - and seems to be shaping up as effective as the first, that is, nada, zip, zilch, useless, meaningless marketing bullshit.
Nice timeline you had there, though, really shows the Microsoft competence in perspective.
This has been done in various companies and studies.
Bottom line: Linux is not harder to learn than Windows IF YOU DON'T KNOW WINDOWS! The problem is people WANT Linux to BE Windows!
This is a people problem, not a Linux problem.
How many of these Windows trolls ever ask how long it took THEM to LEARN WINDOWS WHEN THEY DID NOT KNOW WINDOWS?
I was in Federal prison from 1993 to June 2001. The last computer I worked on was a 66MHz 486 and the last computer I owned was a 33MHz 386 with 2MB of RAM running DOS with PC-Tools and some other stuff. Windows 3.1 was on it but never run because the machine didn't have 4MB of RAM.
I had to learn Windows 98 in 2001. I just installed Windows 2000 a couple months ago. I've been running Red Hat Linux 7.0 on my old machine and 7.3 on my newer machine.
So I have direct experience about learning Linux and Windows ALL AT ONCE - and at age 55 to boot.
People who say older people cannot learn Linux because it is not as "intuitive" as Windows ARE FULL OF SHIT! Period.
I have CONSTANTLY run into situations on Windows AND Linux where the software was unintuitive or downright fucking STUPID! But the main point is that once you know the basics of ANY GUI system, you can learn another one very quickly with minimal disruption.
The key point is: IF YOU WANT TO! Corporate managers do not want to regardless of any Linux advantages because they are idiots , most corporate drones do not want to (since they don't want ANY extra work regardless of what it is and what the benefits might be) and most Windows trolls don't want to because they want to run their mouths. Only when the pain of making Bill Gates the richest asshole in the world (after the guy from Ikea, right, okay) gets greater will they maybe wake up and smell the shit from Redmond.
I figure Longhorn's need for massive hardware and software upgrades maybe will do it - but I'm sure there will be a lot of morons who continue to suck it up and fork over the bucks to Bill.
There are no shortage of morons in the business world. There are morons probably running Autocoder these days.
All that matters is the EVENTUAL economics. Linux is evolving faster than Windows and costs less. Ergo, it is a near certainty that it WILL replace Windows in X amount of time - the only uncertainty is X.
The only way this can NOT happen is if somehow Bill Gates chokes on some foi gras, the Microsoft culture undergoes a massive change equivalent to IBM's embracing open source, and they actually start to spend some of their billions of R&D on REAL R&D instead of creative new DRM and licensing ideas.
Fat chance, trolls.
Have a nice day.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
/.?
Oh, right, let's immediately send what few troops we have left (who aren't deserting to Canada to avoid any more duty in Iraq) to Europe!
Who let this moron in
Oh, wait...
That's the real problem: people want to store their stuff on something that will last forever and be relieved of the responsibility to keep transferring it to media that will last the next five or ten years.
In other words, people are both sentimental AND lazy.