Sorry , which bit of the fact that Xerox PAID Apple money, not the other way around, and allowed apples engineers to use their ideas are you having trouble grasping?
Xerox were "kindly" allowed to buy apple stock in return for letting apple engineers visit their research centre. Apple never directly paid for any of the innovations they used.
The Lisa & Mac were total ripoffs of the stuff Jobs saw at Parc. How come Apple seem to think the rules on stealing ideas apply to everyone except themselves? Does being (allegedly) "cool" somehow make hypocrisy ok?
Ones the eye candy novelty factor has worn off which takes, ooh , 3 minutes , no one cares one way or the other. All it does is waste energy by forcing the GPU to do pointless calculations. You couldn't have picked a worse example to explain why computers are better today.
Hey , don't feel bad , we all did something similar:)
I remember in electronics classes being told the TTL chips could only handle 5 volts. And they gave us power supplies which went up to 25V. I mean seriously, what did they EXPECT a bunch of teenagers would do?? "Hey, nice bang, cool smoke effects! Lets try a some capacitors now!"
So even though the CPU was underpowered by the mid 80s the programs written in Basic could still blitz a lot of other faster machines Basic programs. Also it had procedures which most (all?) other home computer basics lacked. Mind you, Amstrad Basic had high level interrupts which allowed a sort of early threading along the lines of
Classic liberal lefty retort - use the Daily Mail as a straw man to discredit any further argument you don't agree with. If the best you can do is just call people liars then you're pathetic. Do try harder. You also might want to attend a university since clearly you've not been within a hundred miles of a student union.
"Actually those people don't really exist, they are a fantasy invented by foaming at the mouth Daily Mail journalists and their equally foamy readers"
Thats odd because I actually new some at university. Perhaps they were a Daily Mail plant to sucker all us students?
"So do you advocate doing nothing?"
No I don't. I simply have my doubts that any UK government can manage it to competantly given the mess that was the NHS IT system amongst many other governmental IT failures.
Yeah , I never understood someone who wants to be a special. If you want to do charity work join a charity, if you want to save people join the RNLI or something. But why volutarily spend your time dragging drunks into cells and nicking chavs?
UK governments can't even stop foreign criminals walking through the doors at the airports, nevermind computer viruses with malicious intent coming along the wires. The ministers probably can't even spell "cyberwarfare" never mind understand how to counter it.
And given the record we have of foaming at the mouth histrionic "rights" activists with brains the size of peanuts it wouldn't surprise me if some bunch of right-on swampies start a protest group for the right to existence free of persecution of said viruses and trojans.
The traditional operating system controls access to hardware, virtual memory, provides an API and schedules processes. Something will still have to do that so the "traditional" OS isn't going anywhere. It'll probably just be less obvious.
"such-and-such a browser will be sending such-and-such a request to you."
In which case they'll be doing server side development so why exactly would any sane person be using javascript for this? In the "real world" I live in javascript stays in the browser. End of.
You might want to think through your replies before you start typing.
In the last year or so suddenly everyone seems to write everything in javascript whether appropriate or not. So these guys really think the future of development lies in the browser which will what, replace the OS as the top level development platform? Sorry , but thats rubbish. It aint gonna happen. Too many disperate browsers with their own quirks and bugs, poor performance and ultimately limited functionality.
So other than "to see if it can be done" what exactly is the point of these projects? However much webdevs might like it to happen, javascript won't be replacing Java, C++ or C# anytime soon for serious development.
"to somebody who said water is good for you. I hope you can see that argument is fallacious, and well, quite silly."
The only thing fallacious is your piss poor analogy. He said it doesn't matter how immature someone is therefor I took his argument to its logical conclusion. It would be like saying it doesn't matter how little nourishment is in some food , it should be considered equal with all other foods.
Wow , 40+, thats so old! If you're a teenager. For most people the 30s and 40s are when you finally mature into someone who can make sensible decisions and less bound over by knee jerk group think.
"All for new views of the world, doesn't matter how "immature" they might be."
Fine, using that logic lets vote pre-schoolers into parliament.
"You might as well pretend to be an ostrich and bury your head in the sand."
I'd sooner be an ostrich than some squawking hen who makes a big noise when the fox is outside the coop but is fast asleep when she's strung up on a conveyer belt to have her neck cut and be diced into nuggets.
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"PARC was a ripoff of Engelbart's demo at SRI. "
Englebert didn't invent the GUI and his demo didn't have one. Just the mouse. Which is hardware, not software.
No idea. I don't know anything about that demo.
"Linux is a ripoff of UNIX."
Thats exactly what it is and its the reason I use it.
"GNOME is a ripoff of Windows."
Pretty much. So is KDE.
"Nearly everything in computing is an incremental improvement from something else"
There's incremental improvement and then there's direct copying. Its not the same.
"Apple massively improved the desktop metaphor with the Lisa and Mac."
Did they? Have you seen any Xerox Star demos? They're on youtube if you're interetsed.
"WHICH APPLE PAID XEROX TO USE."
NO THEY DIDN'T. Xerox *PAID* apple to buy apple stock. BIG difference.
"This historical rewriting that occurs amongst Apple-haters"
Ah , you're a fanboi. That explains the blinkers.
"It paints you as a blinded zealot."
Now there's a nice bit of irony. Perhaps the turtleneck is too tight and is cutting off blood to your brain so you can't see it.
Sorry , which bit of the fact that Xerox PAID Apple money, not the other way around, and allowed apples engineers to use their ideas are you having trouble grasping?
Xerox were "kindly" allowed to buy apple stock in return for letting apple engineers visit their research centre. Apple never directly paid for any of the innovations they used.
The Lisa & Mac were total ripoffs of the stuff Jobs saw at Parc. How come Apple seem to think the rules on stealing ideas apply to everyone except themselves? Does being (allegedly) "cool" somehow make hypocrisy ok?
How do you see the screen from 20 foot away , binoculars? Or do you have someone standing next to it to give you verbal feedback??
Ones the eye candy novelty factor has worn off which takes, ooh , 3 minutes , no one cares one way or the other. All it does is waste energy by forcing the GPU to do pointless calculations. You couldn't have picked a worse example to explain why computers are better today.
Hey , don't feel bad , we all did something similar :)
I remember in electronics classes being told the TTL chips could only handle 5 volts. And they gave us power supplies which went up to 25V. I mean seriously, what did they EXPECT a bunch of teenagers would do?? "Hey, nice bang, cool smoke effects! Lets try a some capacitors now!"
So even though the CPU was underpowered by the mid 80s the programs written in Basic could still blitz a lot of other faster machines Basic programs. Also it had procedures which most (all?) other home computer basics lacked. Mind you, Amstrad Basic had high level interrupts which allowed a sort of early threading along the lines of
EVERY GOSUB
or something like that.
That was seriously cool.
People arn't going to close down their accounts because of a bunch of deluded self righteous script kiddies on a power trip.
If society doesn't want to change who are you to tell it it should? Society is people , not mindless robots.
"Classic Daily Mail retort, "
Classic liberal lefty retort - use the Daily Mail as a straw man to discredit any further argument you don't agree with. If the best you can do is just call people liars then you're pathetic. Do try harder. You also might want to attend a university since clearly you've not been within a hundred miles of a student union.
"Actually those people don't really exist, they are a fantasy invented by foaming at the mouth Daily Mail journalists and their equally foamy readers"
Thats odd because I actually new some at university. Perhaps they were a Daily Mail plant to sucker all us students?
"So do you advocate doing nothing?"
No I don't. I simply have my doubts that any UK government can manage it to competantly given the mess that was the NHS IT system amongst many other governmental IT failures.
Yeah , I never understood someone who wants to be a special. If you want to do charity work join a charity, if you want to save people join the RNLI or something. But why volutarily spend your time dragging drunks into cells and nicking chavs?
UK governments can't even stop foreign criminals walking through the doors at the airports, nevermind computer viruses with malicious intent coming along the wires. The ministers probably can't even spell "cyberwarfare" never mind understand how to counter it.
And given the record we have of foaming at the mouth histrionic "rights" activists with brains the size of peanuts it wouldn't surprise me if some bunch of right-on swampies start a protest group for the right to existence free of persecution of said viruses and trojans.
If they have 2 choices:
A) which is easy to set up and can be run by click-monkeys but is full of security vulnerabilities
or
B) harder to set up and requires people who know what they're doing but is very secure...
the BAs I'm afraid will will always go for A since people will usually trade effort now (setting up) for effort later (clearing up after a hack).
"ease of moving between computers,"
Who moves between computers to do documentation? I mean really, is your company so skint it can't afford laptops and you have to work in netcafes?
The traditional operating system controls access to hardware, virtual memory, provides an API and schedules processes. Something will still have to do that so the "traditional" OS isn't going anywhere. It'll probably just be less obvious.
As opposed to who/what - Martians? The Greys? X Factor viewers? Pigs with ham licenses (costs them an arm and leg aparently)?
Except a buggy browser needs to store your private key. That doesn't sound so reasonable to me.
"such-and-such a browser will be sending such-and-such a request to you."
In which case they'll be doing server side development so why exactly would any sane person be using javascript for this? In the "real world" I live in javascript stays in the browser. End of.
You might want to think through your replies before you start typing.
In the last year or so suddenly everyone seems to write everything in javascript whether appropriate or not. So these guys really think the future of development lies in the browser which will what, replace the OS as the top level development platform? Sorry , but thats rubbish. It aint gonna happen. Too many disperate browsers with their own quirks and bugs, poor performance and ultimately limited functionality.
So other than "to see if it can be done" what exactly is the point of these projects? However much webdevs might like it to happen, javascript won't be replacing Java, C++ or C# anytime soon for serious development.
"to somebody who said water is good for you. I hope you can see that argument is fallacious, and well, quite silly."
The only thing fallacious is your piss poor analogy. He said it doesn't matter how immature someone is therefor I took his argument to its logical conclusion. It would be like saying it doesn't matter how little nourishment is in some food , it should be considered equal with all other foods.
"Your "30s and 40s are when you finally mature" is an argument that reeks of conservationism thought, so I'll keep that in mind."
You do that, and when you grow up you'll realise that in general I was right.
"Your so cherished "life experience" is not, in any way, an objective requirement "
I gather from that statement that you don't actually have much and therefor think its irrelevant. I really hope you don't vote.
"There is no reason, thus far, that can truly justify a restriction against young adults to be a member of a parliament."
There is no restriction, other than the fact that most people don't vote for them for the reasons I stated.
"supposed to be a reference to Obama slogans"
Was it? I have no idea nor do I care, I'm not american.
"40+ years-old"
Wow , 40+, thats so old! If you're a teenager. For most people the 30s and 40s are when you finally mature into someone who can make sensible decisions and less bound over by knee jerk group think.
"All for new views of the world, doesn't matter how "immature" they might be."
Fine, using that logic lets vote pre-schoolers into parliament.
I see Conspiracy Corner is open for business.
"You might as well pretend to be an ostrich and bury your head in the sand."
I'd sooner be an ostrich than some squawking hen who makes a big noise when the fox is outside the coop but is fast asleep when she's strung up on a conveyer belt to have her neck cut and be diced into nuggets.