"What! 94! I was using slackware in 92 (Linux 0.97, 0.99pl10, 0.99pl12, 0.99pl14,...)."
I was using HP-UX at that time. Linux wasn't usable for anything useful in 92.
Compiling a kernel is hardcore for the ubuntu crowd which my rather tongue in cheek comment was aimed at. If you want to go willy waving give George Micheal a call. I'm not interested.
Nothing to do with faux elitism. Its to do with having a clean filesystem layout, sane rc.d startup files (no , its not strictly BSD like - try looking at the FreeBSD startup and you'll see what I mean) and avoiding having 10 gigs of crap that i'll never use installed on the box. Also slackware uses the stock kernel, not some hacked about version like most of the other distros so its easy to upgrade to whichever version you want , not be stuck with whichever one the distro-of-your-choice decides to offer you as a binary update.
As for "wannabe hackers" , FYI pal I've been using slackware on and off since 1994 and have probably written more unix systems code than you've ever even seen.
Its always been a great distro for people who just want a stock Unix on their PC rather than a Wannabe-Windows clone but it was frequently a bugger to get some hardware working properly and also Xwin configuration was very tedious. I defected to Suse for a while because of this but now Slackware is more or less plug and play. I installed 13.0 on my Acer laptop and desktop Dell at work and it Just Worked. The only issue I had was with the wifi on the laptop but that was a kernel bug - I compiled a later kernel (yeah, slackware can still be hardcore) and wifi worked fine.
... and so did the rest of the orange revolution people. But instead of changing the country they decided to spend 5 years squabbling with each other. Obviously the electorate had enough and voted in a pro russian government.
Afghanistan isn't really a proper country. Its a load of seperate tribal areas with a border drawn around then that really represents where the surrounding countries end rather than where afghanistan starts. Is effectively ungovernable and has been throughout recorded history. The tribes come together against any outside aggressors but as soon as they're gone they turn in on themselves and the inter tribal conflicts start again. I don't expect this to change anytime soon.
... until we come up with a space propulsion system better than the rockets and ion drives that we currently have. Despite the talk, putting humans in a tin can for 3 years 30 million miles from earth is not realistic for medical or psychological reasons. Unless a system can be developed that can get people and materials around the solar system in months rather than years or decades then we can forget about colonising or exploiting it in any realistic manner.
"Basically, you can attain levels of experience that you can then use to demonstrate to potential new employers that you have experience,"
If people already have a computer science degree how are some noddy certificates from a self important club going to help? Potential new employers will be a lot more impressed if you have a first or 5 years doing hard core development at a blue chip.
Its a society run by and for people who cut their teeth on 1950s and 60s mainframes. Nothing wrong with that, but people seem to assume it has any relevance or authority today. It doesn't. No one I know in IT belongs to it or is even the slightest bit interested in it. Its the computing equivalent of a historic car club with similar types of people as members.
"Communications and telecommunications infrastructure would stop working for days. Food would rot on trucks undelivered."
Utter BS. Save the scaremongering for the knuckle dragging masses.
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"t will turn a venerable super computer into a PC."
SGI might not have had the best marketing but back in the day it had some of the best hardware designers and OS/driver writers in the world as far as graphics was concerned. What they didn't know at the time wasn't worth knowing. I'd be pretty amazed if Linux could get the same performance out of the hardware even if it used SGI written drivers.
Nuclear war: Large area are vapourised, even larger areas poisoned for centuries. Result - everyone and everything larger than a bacteria dies.
"Cyber" war: Someone deletes some files on some computers and causes others to crash. Result - ethernet cables are unplugged and machines are restored from backups.
Get a sense of perspective.
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"Many large power plants need quite a bit of energy to jump start from an 'off' condition"
Coal fired plants maybe. Pretty much everything else just requires someone to press an on button. Gas turbines are easy to start, nuclear never really goes off even with the rods in and hydro is as simple as opening the sluice gates.
"you shallow in a pill, or that is sprinkled on your food"
Newsflash - thats been around since people first figured out how to poison others. Take your pick from poisons, bacteria or viruses. You've been reading too much sci-fi because biology got there a few hundred million years before William Gibson.
Thats a myth. There can only be one leader in a team and most kids just want to play and have fun anyway, they're not interested in having an outdoors team building workshop with balls despite what some team coaches seem to think. When I was at school there was nothing worse than having some teacher take the sports too seriously as it just spoiled the fun. In the end I got sick of team sports altogether because of the borderline psychotic behaviour of some of the sports staff.
Seems to me they mostly get used to run multiple OS's that each run a single main app. Last time I looked modern OS's are quite capable of running multiple apps at the same time so unless you really need to run different OS's on the same machine (er why?) then what exactly is the point?
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"What! 94! I was using slackware in 92 (Linux 0.97, 0.99pl10, 0.99pl12, 0.99pl14, ...)."
I was using HP-UX at that time. Linux wasn't usable for anything useful in 92.
Compiling a kernel is hardcore for the ubuntu crowd which my rather tongue in cheek comment was aimed at. If you want to go willy waving give George Micheal a call. I'm not interested.
"See, this is why I think you're a faux-elitist moron: there is nothing keeping you from installing a stock kernel in other distros."
There is if you want everything to work properly and also don't want to fart about having to edit a copy of /proc/config.gz
"you just come across as a pretentious cunt."
And you come across as a rude little little kid who talks big but knows FA.
Go get yourself a clue.
Nothing to do with faux elitism. Its to do with having a clean filesystem layout, sane rc.d startup files (no , its not strictly BSD like - try looking at the FreeBSD startup and you'll see what I mean) and avoiding having 10 gigs of crap that i'll never use installed on the box. Also slackware uses the stock kernel, not some hacked about version like most of the other distros so its easy to upgrade to whichever version you want , not be stuck with whichever one the distro-of-your-choice decides to offer you as a binary update.
As for "wannabe hackers" , FYI pal I've been using slackware on and off since 1994 and have probably written more unix systems code than you've ever even seen.
Its always been a great distro for people who just want a stock Unix on their PC rather than a Wannabe-Windows clone but it was frequently a bugger to get some hardware working properly and also Xwin configuration was very tedious. I defected to Suse for a while because of this but now Slackware is more or less plug and play. I installed 13.0 on my Acer laptop and desktop Dell at work and it Just Worked. The only issue I had was with the wifi on the laptop but that was a kernel bug - I compiled a later kernel (yeah, slackware can still be hardcore) and wifi worked fine.
... and so did the rest of the orange revolution people. But instead of changing the country they decided to spend 5 years squabbling with each other. Obviously the electorate had enough and voted in a pro russian government.
Afghanistan isn't really a proper country. Its a load of seperate tribal areas with a border drawn around then that really represents where the surrounding countries end rather than where afghanistan starts. Is effectively ungovernable and has been throughout recorded history. The tribes come together against any outside aggressors but as soon as they're gone they turn in on themselves and the inter tribal conflicts start again. I don't expect this to change anytime soon.
... until we come up with a space propulsion system better than the rockets and ion drives that we currently have. Despite the talk, putting humans in a tin can for 3 years 30 million miles from earth is not realistic for medical or psychological reasons. Unless a system can be developed that can get people and materials around the solar system in months rather than years or decades then we can forget about colonising or exploiting it in any realistic manner.
I wouldn't be dumb enough to run windows in the first place. You pays your money...
Its a friggin browser extension. We're not talking a Sony rootkit here!
I'm no MS fan but this constant MS bashing from self righteous geeks who smell an easy target gets tedious after a while.
If you really hate MS so much why are you running Windows in the first place to get upset about it? Install Ubuntu
or buy a Mac and shut up.
Spot on. You'd get +1 funny from me if I had any points :)
"Basically, you can attain levels of experience that you can then use to demonstrate to potential new employers that you have experience,"
If people already have a computer science degree how are some noddy certificates from a self important club going to help? Potential new employers will be a lot more impressed if you have a first or 5 years doing hard core development at a blue chip.
Its a society run by and for people who cut their teeth on 1950s and 60s mainframes. Nothing wrong with that, but people seem to assume it has any relevance or authority today. It doesn't. No one I know in IT belongs to it or is even the slightest bit interested in it. Its the computing equivalent of a historic car club with similar types of people as members.
Ever heard of hiring emergency staff?
No, didn't think so.
Happens all the time fuckwit.
"Communications and telecommunications infrastructure would stop working for days. Food would rot on trucks undelivered."
Utter BS. Save the scaremongering for the knuckle dragging masses.
"t will turn a venerable super computer into a PC."
SGI might not have had the best marketing but back in the day it had some of the best hardware designers and OS/driver writers in the world as far as graphics was concerned. What they didn't know at the time wasn't worth knowing. I'd be pretty amazed if Linux could get the same performance out of the hardware even if it used SGI written drivers.
Nuclear war: Large area are vapourised, even larger areas poisoned for centuries. Result - everyone and everything larger than a bacteria dies.
"Cyber" war: Someone deletes some files on some computers and causes others to crash. Result - ethernet cables are unplugged and machines are restored from backups.
Get a sense of perspective.
"Many large power plants need quite a bit of energy to jump start from an 'off' condition"
Coal fired plants maybe. Pretty much everything else just requires someone to press an on button. Gas turbines are easy to start, nuclear never really goes off even with the rods in and hydro is as simple as opening the sluice gates.
"you shallow in a pill, or that is sprinkled on your food"
Newsflash - thats been around since people first figured out how to poison others.
Take your pick from poisons, bacteria or viruses. You've been reading too much sci-fi
because biology got there a few hundred million years before William Gibson.
Nothing to see here, move along please.
"Are they nothing more than professional gamblers and don't care about their responsabilities"
Stock markets are nothing more than casinos for the more "respectable" end of the social spectrum.
I'm sure they'll have no problem picking the winning team , look at how well they forecasted the crash of arrival of the global financial crisis..
Oh , wait...
"Sports teach leadership and teamwork,"
Thats a myth. There can only be one leader in a team and most kids just want to play and have fun anyway, they're not interested in having an outdoors team building workshop with balls despite what some team coaches seem to think. When I was at school there was nothing worse than having some teacher take the sports too seriously as it just spoiled the fun. In the end I got sick of team sports altogether because of the borderline psychotic behaviour of some of the sports staff.
$ g++ -v /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.3.3/specs ../gcc-4.3.3/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
Reading specs from
Target: i486-slackware-linux
Configured with:
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.3.3 (GCC)
That looks like gcc to me
Are they seriously trying to suggest that the people who work on developing and maintaining a C++ compiler are novices in C++??
Sorry , am I missing something here?
"Also for other basic virtual machines, we'd need HW support"
Why? Just use vmware or similar.
Seems to me they mostly get used to run multiple OS's that each run a single main app. Last time I looked modern OS's are quite capable of running multiple apps at the same time so unless you really need to run different OS's on the same machine (er why?) then what exactly is the point?