.. as applied to normal computers. In this case its simply speeded up serial computation - ie the algorithm could be run serially so Programming Erlang is irrelevant. With the brain , parallel computation is *vital* to how it works - it couldn't work serially - some things MUST happen at the same time - eg different inputs to the same neuron, so studying parallel computation in ordinary computers is a complete waste of time if you want to learn how biological brains work. Its comparing apples and oranges.
But that was before every wannabe script kiddy used it. I would have thought they'd have had a seperate disconnected military network of their own by now.
"You should've seen the argument when I blocked the SD channels *grin*."
I think I'd get pissed off too with some geek fucking about with my TV when all I wanted to do was watch the shows and didn't give a stuff about the definition. Get a life.
I couldn't even name 17 , much less use them. Wtf do you need them for "web development" for? You don't seriously develop in a browser do you other than for testing purposes??
As for surfing - the only extension i have is flash and Ive yet to find a page I couldn't surf so why you need 17 is a mystery to me.
Unfortunately that attitude seems to me to lead on to the rather flagrant waste of resources in modern software. A lot of the new coders think that because they so much resource available they don't need to make any attempt to make the program they're writing efficient in any sense - CPU, memory, disk , you name it. This also applies IMO to the fashion for compiling to VMs rather than raw machine code.
...lying around the house. Problem is , while most of us of a certain age look back wistfully to times past when there was so much more variety in the computer ecosystem with cool ideas popping up left , right and centre - the truth is (and I speak from personal experience) that when on occasion you get those 8 bits or whatever out their box and fire them up you realise that actually , well, they're a bit rubbish really and computers today really are so much better. Still , its nice to preserve them , just not so much fun to use them!
That'll frighten a lot of the OO fanboys who have to have a friggin inheritance tree and a factory based abstracted class design before they can write Hello World.
"Yes, the kernel doesn't, but we're talking about the OS."
The OS is tthe bit that runs the computer hardware you moron. The not the front end fluff otherwise you might as well say its got office apps and a browser built in because they ship on the install disc too!
"All the Unixes I know about have widgets."
You're so pig ignorant I feel sorry for you. The GUI you see on the screen is created by a user process - the X window server - its optional. There are many unix systems running as back end servers which have no graphical front end running at all - its all console command line via a serial cable. Hello? Do you know anything about grown up computer systems or does your knowledge of IT stop at the Wintel PC your daddy bought you?
"I don't give a shit how it works,"
Figures.
"if the OS ships with it, then it has widgets"
Riiight. So if someone creates a disk with that OS that doesn't have "widgets" is it a different OS? What if it had widgets but not image libraries? Or image libraries but no widgets? Different OS then? Or are you just talking out your backside?
"I have no idea why you think "Windows" the operation system consists only of a kernel; what do you call all the other stuff on the installation CD?"
The applications and the libraries.
If I were you I'd stop digging that hole you're in , you're just looking more and more foolish.
"Yes, the kernel doesn't, but we're talking about the OS."
The OS is the bit that runs the computer hardware you moron. The not the front end fluff otherwise you might as well say its got office apps and a browser built in because they ship on the install disc too!
"All the Unixes I know about have widgets."
You're so pig ignorant I feel sorry for you. The GUI you see on the screen is created by a user process - the X window server - its optional. There are many unix systems running as back end servers which have no graphical front end running at all - its all console command line via a serial cable. Hello? Do you know anything about grown up computer systems or does your knowledge of IT stop at the Wintel PC your daddy bought you?
"I don't give a shit how it works,"
Figures.
"if the OS ships with it, then it has widgets"
Riiight. So if someone creates a disk with that OS that doesn't have "widgets" is it a different OS? What if it had widgets but not image libraries? Or image libraries but no widgets? Different OS then? Or are you just talking out your backside?
"I have no idea why you think "Windows" the operation system consists only of a kernel; what do you call all the other stuff on the installation CD?"
The applications and the libraries.
If I were you I'd stop digging that hole you're in , you're just looking more and more foolish.
""the OS" Napster was made for was Windows, and Windows has widgets"
The windows OS kernel never had widgets build in. All it has is low level graphics operations in the kernel - the widget drawing code is in a library.
"As do the vast majority of OSes"
What , like Unix, VMS or IOS, none of which have the GUI widgets or even basic graphics in the OS kernel?
"guess troll there uses DOS 6.2 or something and is easily offended."
Go find out about how the unix X windows system works you brainless MS fanboy, though you can't even get the MS stuff right since its shell32.dll that implements widgets - not the OS.
"Still, a gaff of this level is well worth calling me clown"
>Because there are so many jobs out there for particle physicists?
Whats that got to do with anything?
>Computer science is not about programming.
Its about the various algorithms for various disciplines that get used in programming. If you don't understand or have any appreciation of them then you'll be a crap coder. Any idiot can learn to use the basics of coding such as variables and loops. CReating elegant efficient code is something else entirely.
"You don't need a computer science degree for that. You can buy all the books you want from Amazon"
Yeah , just like you can buy all the physics books you need and become a particle physicist.
"There's no need to deal with dry courses about operating systems and so on."
I can't tell if you're a troll or not. If not then you're just an idiot. Anyone who thinks they can teach themselves everything perfectly without any help is either arrogant or a fool. Or both.
Anyway I always hear this argument trotted out by so called coders who've never had any formal training and by and large they're generally useless. Sure , they can knock out some unmaintainable sphagetti code in VB that vaguely does what you want at half the speed it should run but thats about as far as it goes. Ask them to do a proper design or profile and optimise their code and you might as well forget it. And thats before you get into any more of the complex arenas of CS.
I can't remember the exact quote but I think the government at the time saw no future in satellite comms. Another triumph for arts educated politicians with all the technical insight of Mr Bean and the foresight of a comatose goldfish.
Well , they've managed face recognition (hell, you can even get cameras that can do that) and now walking gait, so I don't see that analysiing the IR patterns would be an issue though they'd probably have to limit it to the head because of clothing.
...getting sick of the endless ways to identify and tag individuals that have appeared recently? Fingerprints, iris scans, voice recognition, face regonition, smell (!) , walking gait, now vein patterns. How long before we're all just barcoded with a unique id??
I'm sure some people will say I'm just being paranoid but with the advancement of AI image processing it won't be long before we can be identified no matter where we are , what the time is , or what we're doing. Yes , the governments all roll out the "terrorism" line whenever questioned about this but we've all seen how its been abused already.
So whats next - infra red heat pattern signatures of individuals? Chemical piss analysis in public toilets?
If you get time feel free to explain why you don't want the users to update their wallpaper. I can't think of a single good reason to prevent them doing so - the only reason I can see is you took the easy option to lock the whole desktop because its less hassle for you and b0ll0cks to users. Which is a typical sys admin attitude - the users don't matter (even though you're there to serve them) - what matters is an easy life for you.
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.. as applied to normal computers. In this case its simply speeded up serial computation - ie the algorithm could be run serially so Programming Erlang is irrelevant. With the brain , parallel computation is *vital* to how it works - it couldn't work serially - some things MUST happen at the same time - eg different inputs to the same neuron, so studying parallel computation in ordinary computers is a complete waste of time if you want to learn how biological brains work. Its comparing apples and oranges.
But that was before every wannabe script kiddy used it. I would have thought they'd have had a seperate disconnected military network of their own by now.
... to have sensitive systems directly connected to the internet?
Oh , wait...
"You should've seen the argument when I blocked the SD channels *grin*."
I think I'd get pissed off too with some geek fucking about with my TV when all I wanted to do was watch the shows and didn't give a stuff about the definition. Get a life.
CERN is nothing to do with the USA.
I couldn't even name 17 , much less use them. Wtf do you need them for "web development" for? You don't seriously develop in a browser do you other than for testing purposes??
As for surfing - the only extension i have is flash and Ive yet to find a page I couldn't surf so why you need 17 is a mystery to me.
"these all freshers burst out with laughter."
Unfortunately that attitude seems to me to lead on to the rather flagrant waste of resources in modern software. A lot of the new coders think that because they so much resource available they don't need to make any attempt to make the program they're writing efficient in any sense - CPU, memory, disk , you name it. This also applies IMO to the fashion for compiling to VMs rather than raw machine code.
If you'd shown him a microdrive with its tiny little cartridge he may have been impressed! :)
Well ok , perhaps not if he's clued up on SD cards...
...lying around the house. Problem is , while most of us of a certain age look back wistfully to times past when there was so much more variety in the computer ecosystem with cool ideas popping up left , right and centre - the truth is (and I speak from personal experience) that when on occasion you get those 8 bits or whatever out their box and fire them up you realise that actually , well, they're a bit rubbish really and computers today really are so much better. Still , its nice to preserve them , just not so much fun to use them!
That'll frighten a lot of the OO fanboys who have to have a friggin inheritance tree and a factory based abstracted class design before they can write Hello World.
Sorry , its early , I'm feeling grouchy.
But most cities in the rest of the world arn't built on a grid system - they grew up at random and have completely random street patterns.
"Yes, the kernel doesn't, but we're talking about the OS."
The OS is tthe bit that runs the computer hardware you moron. The not the front end fluff otherwise you might as well say its got office apps and a browser built in because they ship on the install disc too!
"All the Unixes I know about have widgets."
You're so pig ignorant I feel sorry for you. The GUI you see on the screen is created by a user process - the X window server - its optional. There are many unix systems running as back end servers which have no graphical front end running at all - its all console command line via a serial cable. Hello? Do you know anything about grown up computer systems or does your knowledge of IT stop at the Wintel PC your daddy bought you?
"I don't give a shit how it works,"
Figures.
"if the OS ships with it, then it has widgets"
Riiight. So if someone creates a disk with that OS that doesn't have "widgets" is it a different OS? What if it had widgets but not image libraries? Or image libraries but no widgets? Different OS then? Or are you just talking out your backside?
"I have no idea why you think "Windows" the operation system consists only of a kernel; what do you call all the other stuff on the installation CD?"
The applications and the libraries.
If I were you I'd stop digging that hole you're in , you're just looking more and more foolish.
"Yes, the kernel doesn't, but we're talking about the OS."
The OS is the bit that runs the computer hardware you moron. The not the front end fluff otherwise you might as well say its got office apps and a browser built in because they ship on the install disc too!
"All the Unixes I know about have widgets."
You're so pig ignorant I feel sorry for you. The GUI you see on the screen is created by a user process - the X window server - its optional. There are many unix systems running as back end servers which have no graphical front end running at all - its all console command line via a serial cable. Hello? Do you know anything about grown up computer systems or does your knowledge of IT stop at the Wintel PC your daddy bought you?
"I don't give a shit how it works,"
Figures.
"if the OS ships with it, then it has widgets"
Riiight. So if someone creates a disk with that OS that doesn't have "widgets" is it a different OS? What if it had widgets but not image libraries? Or image libraries but no widgets? Different OS then? Or are you just talking out your backside?
"I have no idea why you think "Windows" the operation system consists only of a kernel; what do you call all the other stuff on the installation CD?"
The applications and the libraries.
If I were you I'd stop digging that hole you're in , you're just looking more and more foolish.
""the OS" Napster was made for was Windows, and Windows has widgets"
The windows OS kernel never had widgets build in. All it has is low level graphics operations in the kernel - the widget drawing code is in a library.
"As do the vast majority of OSes"
What , like Unix, VMS or IOS, none of which have the GUI widgets or even basic graphics in the OS kernel?
"guess troll there uses DOS 6.2 or something and is easily offended."
Go find out about how the unix X windows system works you brainless MS fanboy, though you can't even get the MS stuff right since its shell32.dll that implements widgets - not the OS.
"Still, a gaff of this level is well worth calling me clown"
Oh you're way beyond a clown now.
More interested in cleaning stuff than getting on with the job! :o)
"didn't even freakin' know that the OS had tab widgets"
Neither do you you clown. An OS doesn't have tab widgets , the GUI does. FFS.
"then the CS class might help you do the established task better."
No shit. Go look up the qualifications of Sergey Brin and Larry Page in wikipedia.
"Algorithms are seriously overrated for most things"
What , like image compression? Video codecs? 3D graphics, shading, lighting, physics models? Paging algorithms? Memory allocation algorithms? Sorting?
You fucking idiot. You're typical of the type I was talking about.
>Because there are so many jobs out there for particle physicists?
Whats that got to do with anything?
>Computer science is not about programming.
Its about the various algorithms for various disciplines that get used in programming. If you don't understand or have any appreciation of them then you'll be a crap coder. Any idiot can learn to use the basics of coding such as variables and loops. CReating elegant efficient code is something else entirely.
"You don't need a computer science degree for that. You can buy all the books you want from Amazon"
Yeah , just like you can buy all the physics books you need and become a particle physicist.
"There's no need to deal with dry courses about operating systems and so on."
I can't tell if you're a troll or not. If not then you're just an idiot. Anyone who thinks they can teach themselves everything perfectly without any help is either arrogant or a fool. Or both.
Anyway I always hear this argument trotted out by so called coders who've never had any formal training and by and large they're generally useless. Sure , they can knock out some unmaintainable sphagetti code in VB that vaguely does what you want at half the speed it should run but thats about as far as it goes. Ask them to do a proper design or profile and optimise their code and you might as well forget it. And thats before you get into any more of the complex arenas of CS.
I can't remember the exact quote but I think the government at the time saw no future in satellite comms. Another triumph for arts educated politicians with all the technical insight of Mr Bean and the foresight of a comatose goldfish.
Good point , I'd forgotten about DNA analysis. Sadly you're probably right.
Well , they've managed face recognition (hell, you can even get cameras that can do that) and now walking gait, so I don't see that analysiing the IR patterns would be an issue though they'd probably have to limit it to the head because of clothing.
...getting sick of the endless ways to identify and tag individuals that have appeared recently? Fingerprints, iris scans, voice recognition, face regonition, smell (!) , walking gait, now vein patterns. How long before we're all just barcoded with a unique id??
I'm sure some people will say I'm just being paranoid but with the advancement of AI image processing it won't be long before we can be identified no matter where we are , what the time is , or what we're doing. Yes , the governments all roll out the "terrorism" line whenever questioned about this but we've all seen how its been abused already.
So whats next - infra red heat pattern signatures of individuals? Chemical piss analysis in public toilets?
"little hitler" is a standard idiom. Go look it up.
Nice non answer.
If you get time feel free to explain why you don't want the users to update their wallpaper. I can't think of a single good reason to prevent them doing so - the only reason I can see is you took the easy option to lock the whole desktop because its less hassle for you and b0ll0cks to users. Which is a typical sys admin attitude - the users don't matter (even though you're there to serve them) - what matters is an easy life for you.
Right?