That's the problem with patents and copyrights, they should be held by the originator for a set time then expire, not be passed on or sold repeatedly.
One of the biggest weaknesses of the West is this kowtowing to big corporations like Disney and IBM.
If I could change one thing in America it would be the removal of a corporation's rights, as they are not people and should not be able to do so much as they do.
But there is no problem if you intentionally make it hard to read and work with it that way - you cannot prove that someone doesn't work with the obfuscated code that they release.
It's a lot like checkmate, the real word is the Arabic shah-mat (the king is dead), but the English don't really care what a real word is, they want something they can easily pronounce and sounds English.
Just look at the Germans, they're name comes from the Latin germanus (like germinate) and means offshoot. The real name is Deutsch, but that hardly seems right when we already have the Dutch, so let's just make up a name!
We basically named the Swedes as we have because the Germans and Dutch had named in a manner that read like Zveedes and we took it. But because Zvee isn't exactly an English sound we fixed it up a little.
No, Nye was never cool. And he had stupid kids always running around doing stupid shit and saying, "try it." Plus the songs, god damn it the songs, how anyone ever though that was a good idea is beyond me. And what was with the stupid ass skits? If you don't have talented children don't have them take up half the show!
Mine is actually based on my pure geekiness, I am a Tolkien fan and when I first started using the internet I picked three words meant to descrbe my roleplaying character. It's so bad that I did it in Quenya, the half made up language of a dead man.
Change the name to Elb-Barcs and rearrange the board, maybe make it a little bigger, just some minor touches to it to make sure it doesn't look "scrabbly".
Then you're free to go, just remember to yell Elb Barcs when you win and not Scrabble.
Nope, there's nothing in the GPL about making your code hard to read. You can name all your functions 1 through 221 for all the licence cares.
But then, this isn't about the GPL, it's about code and the NDA. If you don't have the documentation for the hardware you cannot be sure what you do to the code is right.
Seems you and me disagree, guess I better fork you.
Here's how I see it, NDA is bad, nothing done under an NDA is worth using. Because if you have work done under the NDA and you stop working on it, noone else has the documentation you signed an NDA for and therefore cannot maintain the code.
NDA work being released is almost as bad as a binary.
The funny thing is, Damien Miller is one of the guys that do OpenSSH, infact, he's the one that wrote the sftp client.
So, I guess rather than being a Troll it was Insightful. One of these days someone needs to set up a replacement for Slashdot, with a real moderation system.
No, I was talking about their policy on using binary drivers that they cannot redistribute and have no control over. OpenBSD refuses them while Linux and FreeBSD accept them, but I don't know NetBSD's stance on the subject.
He's like a child throwing his toys out the cot because he can't get an open source implementation from them. - He doesn't want one. He wants to make his own; at no cost to Adaptec but the bandwidth to e-mail the documentation.
Sure, it's annoying that we have to wait four months, but at least they've promised something. - Seems they were saying much the same four months ago.
Frankly, I think Theo is being impatient and hotheaded. - He is indeed.
Stick a carrot infront of you, just out of reach, and slap your ass. You can follow that carrot forever, but it will get no closer. Sooner or later you will have to give up on the carrot.
If you don't give up on the carrot, you're being foolish. Sit down in the sand and demand better.
Just because there is a driver that was written under NDA released completely in source form does not make it a good thing.
If people were to want to work on it they would still not have the documentation involved to do it properly.
NDA work just makes the problem worse, it gives a half-assed support for something to people so they think it should work and can do little when they find that they are mistaken.
It's not a cheap shot, infact, it's not really a shot at all in the minds of anyone that likes BSD; except maybe that you assume that the code done by the people working on the it in the first place is crap.
The OpenBSD people won't include something closed in their system, but if you want to close up a copy of OpenBSD and sell it yourself it is fine. You can still use binary drivers and you will be responsible for those drivers, so when someone asks why your Adaptec AAC RAID is broken and doesn't allow for any of the advertised functionality, you will have to explain that you didn't make the driver and that you don't even have the ability to fix it.
OpenBSD doesn't want to lie to people, saying they have support for something when they don't.
This wasn't even about "closing" source to begin with, it has nothing to do with source. It is about the documentation to write a driver for OpenBSD themselves; one they can be responsible for and fix it if there are issues.
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One of the biggest weaknesses of the West is this kowtowing to big corporations like Disney and IBM.
If I could change one thing in America it would be the removal of a corporation's rights, as they are not people and should not be able to do so much as they do.
You know you're going to be modded flamebait for that right?
Uh, last I checked they weren't a company, so there is no red ink to flow anywhere.
But there is no problem if you intentionally make it hard to read and work with it that way - you cannot prove that someone doesn't work with the obfuscated code that they release.
Just look at the Germans, they're name comes from the Latin germanus (like germinate) and means offshoot. The real name is Deutsch, but that hardly seems right when we already have the Dutch, so let's just make up a name!
We basically named the Swedes as we have because the Germans and Dutch had named in a manner that read like Zveedes and we took it. But because Zvee isn't exactly an English sound we fixed it up a little.
Sounds like a good name for a gouvnerment official.
Yes, it is so respectable to take postscript and fuck it up and rename it and close it off so you're in charge.
Beakman stomps Bill Nye any day of the week.
That's Beakman, Paul Zaloom did a great job of being a mad scientist and Lester the Rat is way cooler than Beaker ever was.
Beakman was always better than Nye. How can you not love a show with a guy in a giant rat suit?
Mine is actually based on my pure geekiness, I am a Tolkien fan and when I first started using the internet I picked three words meant to descrbe my roleplaying character. It's so bad that I did it in Quenya, the half made up language of a dead man.
Actually, that sound way better than my nick.
Then you're free to go, just remember to yell Elb Barcs when you win and not Scrabble.
But then, this isn't about the GPL, it's about code and the NDA. If you don't have the documentation for the hardware you cannot be sure what you do to the code is right.
Here's how I see it, NDA is bad, nothing done under an NDA is worth using. Because if you have work done under the NDA and you stop working on it, noone else has the documentation you signed an NDA for and therefore cannot maintain the code.
NDA work being released is almost as bad as a binary.
If you read the threads on undeadly, you'd notice that yes, it is being worked on right now. It should be done for the November release.
So, I guess rather than being a Troll it was Insightful. One of these days someone needs to set up a replacement for Slashdot, with a real moderation system.
No, I was talking about their policy on using binary drivers that they cannot redistribute and have no control over. OpenBSD refuses them while Linux and FreeBSD accept them, but I don't know NetBSD's stance on the subject.
Sure, it's annoying that we have to wait four months, but at least they've promised something. - Seems they were saying much the same four months ago.
Frankly, I think Theo is being impatient and hotheaded. - He is indeed.
Stick a carrot infront of you, just out of reach, and slap your ass. You can follow that carrot forever, but it will get no closer. Sooner or later you will have to give up on the carrot.
If you don't give up on the carrot, you're being foolish. Sit down in the sand and demand better.
I dunno, but there is only one Baldrick and he serves the Black Adder.
See it here.
If people were to want to work on it they would still not have the documentation involved to do it properly.
NDA work just makes the problem worse, it gives a half-assed support for something to people so they think it should work and can do little when they find that they are mistaken.
If you don't buy what isn't supported and don't support what isn't documented then you have no problems.
Besides the nVidia stuff is X, not Linux.
The OpenBSD people won't include something closed in their system, but if you want to close up a copy of OpenBSD and sell it yourself it is fine. You can still use binary drivers and you will be responsible for those drivers, so when someone asks why your Adaptec AAC RAID is broken and doesn't allow for any of the advertised functionality, you will have to explain that you didn't make the driver and that you don't even have the ability to fix it.
OpenBSD doesn't want to lie to people, saying they have support for something when they don't.
This wasn't even about "closing" source to begin with, it has nothing to do with source. It is about the documentation to write a driver for OpenBSD themselves; one they can be responsible for and fix it if there are issues.
He'd say, "no," and the drivers wouldn't be used by the kernel.