300K may not seem like much, but at a time when many companies arn't making a dime, it's not bad at all, especially for a company with an "alternative" business plan.
> I mean what kind of costs go into taking a shot of the moon when we dont really *need* to? Sad to see equipment being *wasted* on this kind of thing.
Some feel that way about going to the moon in the first place, and that cost orders of magnitude more money.
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Richard J Moore wrote: > > Are you sure? Isn't what Linus is saying is that he understands that some > problems can be solved using dumps, some from the oops message and some by > source code inspection and some by others means. But, he's not interested > in a timely resolution;
Ok, with tons of explanation:
- I'm clearly not interested. I've not seen any discussion of the usage
of the tools or how great it is, and that's apparently because all the
LKCD people are off in their own mailing lists and do not want to have
anything to do with the rest of the world. Except when they come out of
the blue one week before feature freeze and _demand_ that I accept
their patches that I've never seen before or heard anybody talk about.
Hint: think about this part. Deeply. And then go and bother SOMEBODY
ELSE.
- Since I'm not personally convinced, it's not going into my tree.
It's as simple as that. I take stuff that I feel is good. Often that
feeling of goodness comes from trusting the person who sends it to me,
simply by past performance. At other times, it is because I think the
feature is cool, or well done, or whatever.
Hint: if you want stuff in my tree, make me trust you. Or work on
things that I feel are innately interesting. Don't bother dragging me
into your flame-wars and trying to convince me that I "must" apply your
patches.
- If it doesn't go into my tree, is that bad?
NO! Open source is all about _other_ people being able to make their
changes. It by no means means that those changes have to be accepted
back: the license basically only boils down to that I must be _able_ to
accept them back. But the really important thing, the thing that really
makes a difference, is that you, your dog, and your company can make
your OWN changes.
- If it doesn't have to happen in my tree, then whose tree _does_ it have
to happen in?
Doesn't much matter, actually. You can keep it in your tree, for all I
care. OSDL has already picked it up and apparently maintains it in
their tree. The only thing that matters is whether it gets used or not,
and whether it proves itself.
More people use vendor trees than my tree. And if you don't find a
vendor who will apply your patches, there are several "personal
vendors" out there, with the -ac, -aa and -mm trees being the obvious
ones. Many of those trees are not just used, they are also
obviously backed by people I do trust, which brings us back to the
criteria for _me_ to apply patches.
- Considering the above, if you still want it to _eventually_ make it
into my tree, what should you do?
Do you think pestering me makes me like the patches any more and trust
you? And if it doesn't, then how do you expect it to help, considering
my patch acceptance criteria?
No. The way to get it into my tree is not to whine about it. There are
a few different ways to get it into my tree:
(a) prove me wrong. And btw, it doesn't help to do so in your LKCD
mailing list. You need to get those patches out there to
_other_ people, or convince your own people that living in
your little hole just means that nobody else knows or cares
about you.
(b) If you can't convince me, convince somebody else. Maybe that
somebody else is somebody I trust, and that somebody else
feels that I was wrong and since _he_ believes in the project
he will try to convince me about it.
And trust me, the people I trust don't revere me and think I'm
always right. These people call me "pinhead" and tell me when
I'm full of shit. If these people don't believe in your
project, don't blame me and think it's because I "poisoned
their minds".
(c) Push your vendor. I have absolutely _zero_ incentives to care
about whining users (I care deeply about the non-whining
kind), but vendors do. Sometimes they do things just to get
their users off their backs.
And once it's in a vendor tree, that doesn't guarantee I pick
it up, but it _does_ guarantee that the patch is at least
widely used and thus we get more easily to (a) - proving me
wrong outside your own little world.
- Never whine about a patch. I know whining works with a lot of people
("Oh, for chrissake, I'll just do it to get him off my back") but it
works remarkably badly with me. Trust me on this.
Was this clear enough? Any confusion on any particular issue?
In short: convince somebody else. So far, the only thing that the discussion has convinced me off is that people somehow seem to think that they are ENTITLED to being merged into my tree. Tough. It ain't so. That tree is called "Linus' tree" for a reason. The only thing you are ENTITLED to is to have your own tree.
How about a "functional" case design? Something that isn't a pain in the ass to open and get into, something where I can easily open it up and move a hard drive into without having to shut off the computer and unplug all the cables first? All these casemods are boxes, the same clunky boxes we have now, with the addition of pretty lights and windows, but no function.
You could charge for Email, something small and insignificant to the average (or even hardcore) user, but expensive to the bulk 1,000,000 mail a day spammer.
Of course this would only make sense if Spam were sent through a normal user account, rather than a cracked box or open relay. Back to the drawing board.
the $25Mil is for the "Sales and service" teams, the "employees" not the Pigs at the top. You need to provide an incentive to good workers to keep rowing while the ship is sinking.
To counter WinXP Media Center edition of Windows XP, we need something similar running Linux, but this "Linux Standard" costs $2000 just to READ, and you don't even know what it contains beforehand.
Is there a competing standard available or being worked on, that's FREE to read?
The article doesn't contain any meat. What standards? I want to know how I can make use of these standards, are they being made available or are they sort of passed around to others in the industry only?
Well, kind of. on the link you provided, see the part where it says that certain non-MFM formats will require special hardware? CatWeasel is that special hardware;)
No, I should have got modded down for calling the original poster clueless. I regret doing that, but sometimes you just hit post and fire away.
I've been using an Amiga for Eons, when you hear someone who's never even heard of an Amiga ("What's an Omega?") "doubting" it can do something you've been doing for almost 20 years, it just rubs you the wrong way.
> I dont buy that it can read 800k disks, people have been tring
Hate to burst your bubble, but the ISA version of the CatWeasel has been reading 800k disks for years and years.
This isn't a new product, it's an upgraded CatWeasel.
Jeeze, just do a Google for "CatWeasel" for crying out loud.
Hell, I know I'm going to blow all my karma on this CatWeasel thread, but you people have NO CLUE about anything not Linux or Windows related, and it irks me most of the clueless comments that are being made. Mod away, I can take it:(
Pretty big. MorphOS users need one, it works in a real Amiga, UAE users need one, Amithlon users need one, AmigaONE users need one, there's a huge market for it, people have been SCREAMING for a PCI catweasel for a while, to replace the ISA one that's been available for years.
It's about time they succomed to the demand, seriously. I'm ordering 3, one for my Amiga, one for my x86 Amithlon box, and one for my AmigaONE/PPC. (once I get the AmigaONE)
How about this?
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What's wrong with both Geographical and national cc's?
Geek thinking tends to try to make it all "make sense" by conforming to a pattern or rule, but why? It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to work.
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because you have issues? lighten up francis
Tell me about it, if you can buy a GOOD BURGER at BK, why on EARTH would you go to McDonalds?!
I just dont understand why Burger King didn't become the "Taco Bell" like in Terminator2.
300K may not seem like much, but at a time when many companies arn't making a dime, it's not bad at all, especially for a company with an "alternative" business plan.
> I mean what kind of costs go into taking a shot of the moon when we dont really *need* to? Sad to see equipment being *wasted* on this kind of thing.
Some feel that way about going to the moon in the first place, and that cost orders of magnitude more money.
SIGH, more Amiga-clueless people pretending to know what an Amiga is.
There IS no textmode on an Amiga!
Patches? WE don't need no stinking patches!
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Richard J Moore wrote:
>
> Are you sure? Isn't what Linus is saying is that he understands that some
> problems can be solved using dumps, some from the oops message and some by
> source code inspection and some by others means. But, he's not interested
> in a timely resolution;
Ok, with tons of explanation:
- I'm clearly not interested. I've not seen any discussion of the usage
of the tools or how great it is, and that's apparently because all the
LKCD people are off in their own mailing lists and do not want to have
anything to do with the rest of the world. Except when they come out of
the blue one week before feature freeze and _demand_ that I accept
their patches that I've never seen before or heard anybody talk about.
Hint: think about this part. Deeply. And then go and bother SOMEBODY
ELSE.
- Since I'm not personally convinced, it's not going into my tree.
It's as simple as that. I take stuff that I feel is good. Often that
feeling of goodness comes from trusting the person who sends it to me,
simply by past performance. At other times, it is because I think the
feature is cool, or well done, or whatever.
Hint: if you want stuff in my tree, make me trust you. Or work on
things that I feel are innately interesting. Don't bother dragging me
into your flame-wars and trying to convince me that I "must" apply your
patches.
- If it doesn't go into my tree, is that bad?
NO! Open source is all about _other_ people being able to make their
changes. It by no means means that those changes have to be accepted
back: the license basically only boils down to that I must be _able_ to
accept them back. But the really important thing, the thing that really
makes a difference, is that you, your dog, and your company can make
your OWN changes.
- If it doesn't have to happen in my tree, then whose tree _does_ it have
to happen in?
Doesn't much matter, actually. You can keep it in your tree, for all I
care. OSDL has already picked it up and apparently maintains it in
their tree. The only thing that matters is whether it gets used or not,
and whether it proves itself.
More people use vendor trees than my tree. And if you don't find a
vendor who will apply your patches, there are several "personal
vendors" out there, with the -ac, -aa and -mm trees being the obvious
ones. Many of those trees are not just used, they are also
obviously backed by people I do trust, which brings us back to the
criteria for _me_ to apply patches.
- Considering the above, if you still want it to _eventually_ make it
into my tree, what should you do?
Do you think pestering me makes me like the patches any more and trust
you? And if it doesn't, then how do you expect it to help, considering
my patch acceptance criteria?
No. The way to get it into my tree is not to whine about it. There are
a few different ways to get it into my tree:
(a) prove me wrong. And btw, it doesn't help to do so in your LKCD
mailing list. You need to get those patches out there to
_other_ people, or convince your own people that living in
your little hole just means that nobody else knows or cares
about you.
(b) If you can't convince me, convince somebody else. Maybe that
somebody else is somebody I trust, and that somebody else
feels that I was wrong and since _he_ believes in the project
he will try to convince me about it.
And trust me, the people I trust don't revere me and think I'm
always right. These people call me "pinhead" and tell me when
I'm full of shit. If these people don't believe in your
project, don't blame me and think it's because I "poisoned
their minds".
(c) Push your vendor. I have absolutely _zero_ incentives to care
about whining users (I care deeply about the non-whining
kind), but vendors do. Sometimes they do things just to get
their users off their backs.
And once it's in a vendor tree, that doesn't guarantee I pick
it up, but it _does_ guarantee that the patch is at least
widely used and thus we get more easily to (a) - proving me
wrong outside your own little world.
- Never whine about a patch. I know whining works with a lot of people
("Oh, for chrissake, I'll just do it to get him off my back") but it
works remarkably badly with me. Trust me on this.
Was this clear enough? Any confusion on any particular issue?
In short: convince somebody else. So far, the only thing that the
discussion has convinced me off is that people somehow seem to think that
they are ENTITLED to being merged into my tree. Tough. It ain't so. That
tree is called "Linus' tree" for a reason. The only thing you are
ENTITLED to is to have your own tree.
Linus
How about a "functional" case design? Something that isn't a pain in the ass to open and get into, something where I can easily open it up and move a hard drive into without having to shut off the computer and unplug all the cables first? All these casemods are boxes, the same clunky boxes we have now, with the addition of pretty lights and windows, but no function.
> It says the cash goes to "mostly" sales and
> service people,
We will call your words above [exhibit A]
> which means a few others (a
> good guess: top executives) get to dip into
> the pot. It does not say how much goes to the
> sales and service people
see [exhibit A].
You could charge for Email, something small and insignificant to the average (or even hardcore) user, but expensive to the bulk 1,000,000 mail a day spammer.
Of course this would only make sense if Spam were sent through a normal user account, rather than a cracked box or open relay. Back to the drawing board.
the $25Mil is for the "Sales and service" teams, the "employees" not the Pigs at the top. You need to provide an incentive to good workers to keep rowing while the ship is sinking.
An internet address is like any other address. Is it illegal to find someones house by giving directions to it?
When are people going to stop thinking of URL's and Domain names as trademarks, and more like Addresses?
Are we going to get "internet traffic tickets" now, instead of a 404 error?
To counter WinXP Media Center edition of Windows XP, we need something similar running Linux, but this "Linux Standard" costs $2000 just to READ, and you don't even know what it contains beforehand.
Is there a competing standard available or being worked on, that's FREE to read?
Jesus, Standards were meant to be free.
the Specifications are available here: http://tvlinuxalliance.org/specifications/index.ph p
The article doesn't contain any meat. What standards? I want to know how I can make use of these standards, are they being made available or are they sort of passed around to others in the industry only?
Is it me or is that Aqualung?
Well, kind of. on the link you provided, see the part where it says that certain non-MFM formats will require special hardware? CatWeasel is that special hardware ;)
It's probably translated from german. Consequently, caps look bad translated too.
No, I should have got modded down for calling the original poster clueless. I regret doing that, but sometimes you just hit post and fire away.
I've been using an Amiga for Eons, when you hear someone who's never even heard of an Amiga ("What's an Omega?") "doubting" it can do something you've been doing for almost 20 years, it just rubs you the wrong way.
The CatWeasel reads hundreds of different CP/M formats, including the z/80 mode of the c128.
Yes, it reads Apple II disks, all MAC disks, all Amiga disks, Atari, hell you name it. Even reads hundreds of CP/M formats.
> I dont buy that it can read 800k disks, people have been tring
:(
Hate to burst your bubble, but the ISA version of the CatWeasel has been reading 800k disks for years and years.
This isn't a new product, it's an upgraded CatWeasel.
Jeeze, just do a Google for "CatWeasel" for crying out loud.
Hell, I know I'm going to blow all my karma on this CatWeasel thread, but you people have NO CLUE about anything not Linux or Windows related, and it irks me most of the clueless comments that are being made. Mod away, I can take it
Pretty big. MorphOS users need one, it works in a real Amiga, UAE users need one, Amithlon users need one, AmigaONE users need one, there's a huge market for it, people have been SCREAMING for a PCI catweasel for a while, to replace the ISA one that's been available for years.
It's about time they succomed to the demand, seriously. I'm ordering 3, one for my Amiga, one for my x86 Amithlon box, and one for my AmigaONE/PPC. (once I get the AmigaONE)
What's wrong with both Geographical and national cc's? Geek thinking tends to try to make it all "make sense" by conforming to a pattern or rule, but why? It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to work.
Jesus, I need to keep a closer watch on the news, I never heard he left!