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SuSE 8.2 Announced
Venotar writes "It looks like SuSE's once more setting the bar pretty high. According to their recent announcement, SuSE 8.2's release date is set for April 12th. Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features. Gnome 2.2 is also included, as well as a profile manager for mobile users, and gcc 3.3. Have a lot of fun!"
Desktop revolution for the 8.2:th time.
I sure miss the day when you could download the ISO's for free. I think that is why Mandrake is so appealing.
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion. I'm not very impressed with Mandrake overall. They seem to be a bunch of amateurs.
SuSE's offerings are just plain mouth-watering. Red Hat is a bit of a controversial choice with overboard desktop nullification but the core is very good. SuSE's desktop is AWESOME.
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat. The paid subscription is major bummer indeed.
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KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing"..
Oh, you mean just like every other distro that has kde 3.1?
I could buy Suse 8.2 CD's or I could download Mandrake 9.1 CD's. I think I'll stick w/ the distro that lets me know what I"m getting ahead of time. (And just FYI, after I tried a bunch of distros and decided I wanted Mandrake I joined the Mandrake Club so I'm AM supporting those who support my computer.)
I do security
From the website,
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
Alex
GCC 3.3 is not released yet; are they hoping that it'll be out before their deadline, will they include an unstable 3.3, or is this a typo in the announcement?
This was reported last night on OSNews. What's with the 24 hour delay, editors?
Anyone know if 8.2 will support ACPI?
This guy is way out there
I just got back from buying SuSE 8.1 today :( Is there going to be anyway to upgrade from 8.1 -> 8.2? Or must I buy it also?
...the "Desktop Sharing" feature is part of KDE 3.1, so any one who upgrades to that version gets that particular functionality - not just those on SuSE 8.2.
*Looks at the KDE 3.1 menu on his RedHat 8.0 machine*
K-->System Tools-->More System Tools -->DesktopSharing
Yup, I'm not mistaken. (APT4RPM and KDE For Redhat are great together, BTW.)
SuSE is a great distro, but credit where credit is due, please.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
This is the main reason I HATE paying for software. When I load it up I'm already getting messages to buy the upgrade!
"In addition to CD/DVD writing applications, sound mixing, editing, and an integrated synthesizer, SuSE Linux 8.2 is the first distribution to include MainActor, a professional video editing application, enabling customers to compose and edit digital movies. The KDE scanning application Kooka and the commercial OCR tool Kadmos enable users to scan both printed and hand-written texts into the word processing application."
Is MainActor a commercial Linux video editing application or is this a Suse created application?
Fuck you you jingoist neo-conservative flag-waving useful idiot for the Zionists.
It's dumbasses that you who give meaning to the word "ugly American."
Maybe if you didn't fill your ears with tripe from Michael Savage (who's real name is Weiner BTW) you wouldn't have shit-for-brains shoveled into your gourd by the mainstream media.
America First! No war for Israel!
I'm gonna go buy a copy of SuSE 8.2 just to piss you off and pick up a wedge of French camembert on the way home to rub it in
so this is United-Linux based?
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I feel compelled to post this, because I'm sure in a few hours there will be tons of RedHat fanboys slagging SuSE and going on about how RedHat is the greatest.
I use RedHat pretty extensively at work (Advanced Server and 8.0) and I am not at all impressed with it. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't feel as complete as SuSE. And RH folks, why did you cripple KDE so I can't shut the machine down from KDE? Even your sales reps were amazed when I showed them my SuSE box with it's shutdown screen. What was your reasoning for this?
SuSE seems stable as all hell, and it's hardware detection is second to none. I'm suprised nobody else has something like suse's little hwscan program (or do they). I just pop in a USB device (like a cdrw or a floppy drive) and it's configured, and appears on my KDE desktop. It's automagical.
SuSE plays mp3s out of the box.
It seems like the playing field these days is being narrowed down to RedHat and SuSE. Here's hoping it doesn't get narrowed down any further.
I'm gonna go buy a copy of SuSE 8.2 just to piss you off and pick up a wedge of French camembert on the way home to rub it in
Good idea. Why not pick up a sarcasm detector, too?
we can still use SuSe and be patriots, i hear they're renaming it "freedom linux" and all of the development team are going to come to the US and join the army so that they can die for our SUVs.
Speaking of which, Mandrake 9.1 final is due out next week, also with KDE 3.1 and other goodies. Free to download, 650MB ISOs so even the most antique CD drives and burners should be happy.
Looking forward to Kolab maturing (due I think with KDE 3.2), will be an excellent tool for chasing the Borg-remnants out of many enterprises.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Im not saying that your wrong, because you do make a point. But there are two things to keep in mind...
/.)
1. This IS an international forum, (not only americans read
2. Germany may not be helping us, but I don't think that they are "the enemy", at least not yet.
Becides the Germans are talking like we are trying to take over the world. Im not sure they would know what a successful attempt would look like. They are just mad because they are impotent and know it, the same goes for most of Europe. Im not sure exactly what my postion is with regards to your post, I guess I sort of agree. You might want to calm down before you have a stroke though.
GENERATION 25: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social exper
Both Mandrake and Knoppix clearly out-detect SuSE in some areas.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
moderate parent +1 funny :)
Supportingterrorism by buyign a German company's product? i don't think so, not only does Germany have no ties to terrorism, but they are on our side.
They just don't want us to go to war for oil and Israel. Isn't it enough we sent Israel 4 billion dollars of our taxes each year, shit the country only ahs 4 million people! That's like senting a 1000 dollrs toe very israelian.
AND YOU, MY FRIEND ARE CLEARLY MAD!
Be rational for a minute. SuSE is a small German Linux company which is not yet profitable and has its headquarters in Germany as well as offices in the US. They do not have any power to decide if Germany supports the US in the inevitable war with Iraq, for all you know they might support it. It is greately unfair to boycott a comapny, ebcause it happens to be in an unfortunate political situation when teh company has no influence to change this situation.
Furthermore, you can install SuSE as many times as you want on as many machines as you want, but you only have support for one machine. Supproting SuSE, is supproting the many projects SUSe sponsors and contributes to as wella s Linuc, it is not supporting what you call the "enemy".
Germany is not US's enemy, they just oppose a war without serious proof, not just estimates and guesses decades old. Germany also sees that this war is nto about freedom, or the terrible ways in which Sadam abuses his power, it is about Oil and more oil. USA has supported dictators before and has even contributed to a large part of Sadam's army, and we were good allies before. WE knew he was doing this and why did we not act and what about all the other dictators. Come on, don't believe the cover up.
Hitler was in power a long time ago and besides that if you didn't know, the Bush family supproted the Naziz and donated a large amount of money to them.
Also Germany, has no ties to the attacks on 9/11 or terrorism. Where did you come out with so much shit. No wonder other antions don't like us. Judging by your post, I would definetely dislike America if many people thought like that.
I suggest people use what suits them best not what is more "patriotic". What the original poster said is crazy talk.
please take your medication
Um, the Germans may not know what a successful attempt at world domination looks like, but they sure as hell know what an attempt in general looks like. Mostly it looks like marching down the Champs-Elysees.
The Frogs know what it looks like too -- it's an upside-down view from between their ankles.
You present it as if you SuSe is a victim of Redhat users here. The fact is that Redhat holds the "Most Hated Distro Award" among Slashdotters, and if there was ever a distro that was 'slagged', it was Redhat. You're presenting the post as a preemptive defense of SuSe from Redhat users is bullshit, because I never see these types of posts. You just want to rag on Redhat and tell everyone how you think SuSe is better, so you should just come out and say so.
You claim that Redhat feels less complete, yet you give no real examples. I agree that Redhat was silly to not include the shutdown button in KDE and I'd love to know why they removed it, but you are acting as if it is some killer feature or something.. In fact, that is the most discussed item in your post, and you even speak of how your sales people were in awe as they watched you click on it (do you realize how silly that sounds?) and I wonder if you have anything better to mention besides the lack of a silly shutdown option from the K menu. I mean, I'm picturing some guys in suits, jaws dropped, watching in lust as you expose this unbelievable "Log Out" option in the K menu..
Just come out with the the real point you want to make, which is the same one many other Redhat slaggers make: Redhat sucks because they did such and such to [insert KDE component here], my personal preference is [insert distro here].
I'm getting really sick of the distro war bullshit. Use what you like, let other people use what they like. If your distro of choice is truly a good choice for someone, they will eventually try it and use it on their own. Quit beating dead horses.
If the only way to get it is to buy it, screw that. I want to see what I get before I buy it.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
And before some grammar nazi points it out, that was supposed to be 'your presenting'.
Or wait 12 weeks for suse to release most of it on their mirrors. Then wait another 12 weeks to get connected and download it even if you have an OC12.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features.
Wake up and smell the coffee! All these nifty new features are standard in KDE 3.1. Nothing apparent about it. You might have just as well said "SuSE will include KDE" and be done with it.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Ever heard of eDonkey? I bet ISOs will be shared 15 minutes after they start selling actual boxes. Or maybe even earlier, if someone steals an unreleased *.ISO.
Don't worry now, it has a default blue motif.
Or maybe... I'm in Love With a Brighter than Bluecurve Blue...
I've been using RH 7.3 because it works for me. Mostly internet browsing and wireless access point. The wireless was not quite fully supported but it was easy as heck to set up, so now I got a box that does nat, wireless ap to my ibook and my pops windows machine, and I got an old version of winex for that occasionally diablo or starcraft fix (which I have to remind myself how much I'm wasting time on playing games; another issue). And I just downloaded moz 1.3 stable after using 1.1 forever. I had slight problem with java and read in the release notes to make a symbolic link to that jvm file thingy rather than copy it to the moz directory. Sometime ago RH 8 came out, but why should I upgrade to that? Everything works fine for me. So I don't know anything about how RH 8 works, so I'm not going to 'slag' anything about it. I'm not even sure I'm using your slag term correctly. Suse, I'm sure is a fine product, I was certainly impressed when I was shipped a 6.3 version when I ordered quake 3.6 for linux through that linux game company way back when, so much so that I went out and bought suse 7.1, it worked for awhile but was lacking some small details. Point is that it was all a matter of timing, and I'm sure is still timing, for those of us really cheap users that don't want to spend for Enterprise Versions, but yet want to support the community in some way or another and don't really have any coding skills. So we occasionally buy a box set, but not every time a new version comes out.
But what I really want to know is why the hell my fuji 3800 digi-cam doesn't not work in webcam mode for mac osx; that really ticks me off that it is windows only. (I've got live free pr0n to show)
Nice of you , to understand us, small european nations who are being terrorized by germany and france. and who hope that all mighty america will save us. You must be really smart guy to talk in our name, do you even know where is slovenia, oh no not slovakia.
And if you somehow do, don't assume to know how we think. We were just invited to nato, and only 47% wanth to join it, and 90% want to join European Union. And 80% are against war in Iraq. O fu.. , we wanth peace, so we just became your enemy.<br><br>
Other thing that just shows how misinformed you are. What is the public support to war in britany (who is strong enougth, not to be bullied), and all countries except yours????<br><br>
I know not all americans think that way, but it is sad that a lot do...<br><br>
Sorry for my english, but i can better speak slovene.
it's NOT about the oil per se, its about WHO controls the oil. think about it. IF you can.
"your armpit hairy woman"
WOW!! US woman don't have hair growing in their armpits ?
Are they GEW or is it from some kind of breading ??
(I know this is of topic but it might be true?)
CIA Factbook 2002 (US):"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households
You should be more concerned with French stuff.
oh, Slackware 9 (which is already at rc2) will have all these features. In fact, those of us running slackware-current already have them. I'm not saying Suse's not a nice distro, but we aren't exactly breaking new ground here.
<wait for Gentoo/Debian comment>5 seconds</wait>
Acquiescence leads to obliteration
The best thing that could happen for all Linux distributions is for Microsoft to finally crack the activation process, so that you have no way of installing Windows without a license and a properly activated copy
The thing is, anyone with any technical skills and access to the internet can get hold of a copy of Windows XP and install it for nothing. Same goes for office. Witness the activation cracks, Devils-Own releases, and so on. Bottom line, Windows XP/Office XP is effectively free, and it's a better desktop/gaming/multimedia experience than any Linux distro. The day that you can no longer install Windows for free is the day the average slashdot person finally puts all of his/her effort into Linux.
Microsoft know this, and that's why they still make it possible for the average techy to install and run Windows XP/Office XP at no cost, therefore negating the major benefit of Linux. They prefer people to pirate Windows and Office because it stops them making an effort with Linux.
I just finished copying all 7 CD's of 8.1 and they release another. I just SuSE had apt, then I could upgrade easy.
"Random Linux Distro" Kshu, we've just released the ultimate linux distro! It integerates seamlessly with just about any piece of software you can think of!! Please download our ISO's or buy our cd's.
"Kshu" Wow! Finally I can use decent, stable softwa.. wait a minute. Green?!! GREEN!!!! Fuck that!
"to force everyone into this European Union that they are trying to structure so that France and Germany run it"
Let me gues Alex! You live in the US ?
No one is forceing any one into the European Union! And Germany and France are not runing it!
BR Darwin
CIA Factbook 2002 (US):"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households
I tried Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE and finally Debian. Well I don't have much too say about it except that it NEVER angered me by any means. It just works, and everything I compile, compiles and works.
And APT made me stop caring about if it is *.deb or *.rpm. It's just cool and for free.
But I liked SuSE also. RedHat left the impression on me I had when I tried SuSE 6.x and Mandrake is RedHat based(!) but much more advanced in many things like for example installation and hardware detection.
=| Yes ... no well ... hmm sir ....
Sexy?
CIA Factbook 2002 (US):"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households
Perhaps you could talk us through your logic here - you might also want to tell us what country you're from ... so we can all check out its wonderful peaceful credentials. You'll also find that Linux developers come from all round the world. Perhaps you'd care to develop Xenophobux, so that you and your racist chums can play on that.
"The KDE scanning application Kooka and the commercial OCR tool Kadmos enable users to scan both printed and hand-written texts into the word processing application."
"With the comfortable and enhanced SuSE configuration profile manager, notebook users, who commute between different locations, can switch to the network and hardware configurations of every office site and therefore, can use scanners and printers of the respective location with a simple mouse click."
"[...] and the possibility to store folders in the running system in a crypto file system without the need for a new partitioning." That sounds really cool.
e s/archive03/82.html
Read the full announcement at http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releas
WHAT ???
The SuSE Online Update (YOU) is the worst piece of s*** I've ever seen.
Before downloading the actual packages, first so called package descriptions are downloaded. Although this is a good idea, they download one file with the description for every single available update package. This description downloading - although the sum of the descriptions is less than 1MB, takes around 2 hours now. (At the beginning, when SuSE 8.1 was new, it was fast as there were nearly no updates, now there are hundreds). The reason for this is that the "get" request from the FTP-server takes long to get through.
In SuSE versions 8.0, they seemed to fork the whole YaST for every description download. I had a P-166 running with 128MB RAM, and when downloading the descriptions for 100+ packages, YaST was also forked 100+, that exceeded my 128MB Memory and YOU crashed.
Moreover, in SuSE 8.1, the update was not synced with the rpm database. If you updated a package directly via rpm, YOU would not know it and would download the package once again and even conflict afterwards with the by-hand installed package (!).
Besides YOU, SuSE is really o.k. for me, I like it personally. I hope soooo much that the online update is better in 8.2.
Moreover I hope that one can save his configuration of the installed rpm's into a file, like this was possible in SuSE 8.1. When installing a second machine, I had to select all packages BY HAND rather than simply reading a configuration file. SuSE support told me they will include this feature in a later version.
Very important would also be that the mozilla java-plugin at last works. Konqueror is nice, but a lot of webpages are NOT working with it. Mozilla is far more compatible.
You buy Camembert to rub it in? I thought I was the only one!
-- And when Justice is gone, there is always... Force. --Laurie Anderson, "Oh Superman"
...And the manual is even useful for a lot of things. The one that came with 7.2 saved me a ton of aggrivation. Plus you get the bad (and sometimes humorous) German to English translation. :)
I'll probably get the boxed set for 8.2 when I get a new computer to take advantage of it. I run on really ancient *(@&$. I like having the DVD's and CD's handy if I foul something up majorly.
Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all.
I see lots of potential problems with this. Yes they have put hard work into their tools and distro, but there is a fine line between making sure you don't get out right robbed by everyone taking advantage of your work, and benefiting out of the much harder work of countless people, who have poured so much into what amounts to the largest part of your product(linux kernel, the desktops, and almost all your apps).
I don't necessarily think Suse has crossed the line but then again getting robbed of their hard work hasn't come close to happening, take Redhat as indication as well, and of course the business with the iso's and non-copyleft software and their attitude in general to giving back in some areas seems to lean in the wrong direction.
Maybe we have just come to expect getting everything for free when it comes to linux, but then again why shouldn't we? The truth is this was all started and grown out of our hard work, it wasn't meant to be popular or successfull even, but it was always about utter openness and complete sharing. If this makes it difficult and unrealistic for business, all the better I say, it was never intended for that.
I realized it's only supporting the WebDAV protocol for synching with Exchange 2000 or later. It still doesn't do the MAPI-over-RPC native protocol of Exchange.
sigs are a waste of space
Apart from the fact that you are obviously mad, or George Bush (if there even is a difference).
There were Europeans in thos buildings too, you know.
Siemens, a major German company, had offices there.
Germany, France and the rest of Europe do not support Bin Laden or Saddam (which are two different matters anyway).
But Europe is not a puppet for the USA either.
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
because you have issues? lighten up francis
;->
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
From where do you know that Mandrake ISOs will be available (immediately)?
Uhh... they switched to I'm in Love With Microsoft Blue with SuSE 8.1. Green is out.
Actually I think that the 'blue' probably came from Mac OSX's Aqua interface.
In my opinion Ximian has missed the desktop train due to the hard Gnome 1->2 transition. How many months still until a stable Gnome 2 version of Abiword, Galeon and Evolution not mentioning Ximian Gnome 2 desktop?
Prior versions had 1 dvd that contained everything contained on the included 6 cds. Now they use 2 dvds and only 5 cds - it appears the people without dvd players to install the software will be getting less in the professional package. How else can they explain the need for another DVD at the same time they are reducing the amount of software cds. Is it SuSE way of slowly abandoning those customers that do not own dvd players?
>>>please remove "nospam" from email address
Fucking trailer trash Americans you know nothing of world affairs except what your Zionist news media shovels into your brainwashed skulls.
... something like: "A distro worth using is a distro worth buying" :-)
nt
"The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley..." - ROBERT BURNS
I think you might find BlackHawk might be yanking your chain just a little.
-- And when Justice is gone, there is always... Force. --Laurie Anderson, "Oh Superman"
But Europe is not a puppet for the USA either.
The crux of the whole disagreement, they yearn for a time when they were the most powerful nations on earth. Before the Soviet Union kept them pissing themselves too often for this crap too come out.
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
Obvioulsy of the learned caste....Prime minister??? As far as I remember the bribe went to the defector in order to catch the big hairy al quada military guy.
.. might want to try looking at Ark Linux, the latest alpha of which was recently featured in an OS News interview.
:)
Red Hat compatible RPMs, latest KDE (the CVS of 3.1.1), simplified configuration (looks a bit like WinXP, I'm tempted to see if my folks back home would like it), and the lead developer is Bero of Red Hat KDE and dvdrecord fame.
And did I mention Apt?
Michel
Fedora Project Contribut
I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Oh, and how you are bocotting french wine: You BUY the wine and then you dump the wine in the sewerage. These pictures looked EXACTLY like the pictures of arabs burning a US flag - except there's no flag involved.
And you claim to live in the civillized world while arabs are uncivillized sandmonkeys.
And one last thing: Don't forget that the Statue of Liberty is a present from france. Burn it down.
Be Dope Linux is by far the best Linux distro. Unlike all the other distros, Be Dope Linux has a killer feature called AVN (Advanced Version Numbering).
Ha! Beat that, SuSE!
LOL... f34r |\/|y |\|33k1D 1337, 5k1||5
"The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley..." - ROBERT BURNS
Ok, you're countering logic and facts with:
...)
"pissing themselves too often for this crap..."
You must be a member of the republican party...
"the bribe went to the defector in order to catch the big hairy al quada military guy"
Was this *defector* less guilty of those crimes? Yet he is being treated better than the average American (no pension, no healthcare,
And besides, evidence comming from bribes cannot be trusted. It may offer leads but has no value in itself.
Yet such evidence was also entered to proof that Saddam had certain weapons.
And now, your *Prime Minister* looks the fool he is by having to admit that it is false.
There is a small (about 40MB) boot iso you can download from SuSE's ftp site. It makes a bootable CD from which you can do a network install from an ftp or http mirror. I've done this 4 or 5 times and had no trouble really . . . if the mirror is fast. I ususally leave it going over night. I don't know if 8.2 will have this ability as well, but you might want to check in to it. SuSE is the best desktop version of Linux I have ever used. I really enjoy using it. I finally broke down and bought the CD's though mostly to support SuSE.
I liked it better the first time around when it was called VNC
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What kind of capabilities will SuSe 8.2 have for syncing with a Zaurus?
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Actually, SuSE and RedHat are not separate entities, but part of all Linux. And Linux is part of all operating systems.
So there is no "either/or" - - all are the same. The one you have before you in this moment is the only one, and at the same time, it is every one. Give your full attention to the OS before you, and see all that it is. When you run Redhat, everything is Redhat; when you run SuSE, everything is SuSE. There is no quality that is "SuSE." There is no quality that makes RedHat "RedHat." What will you take away from SuSE to make it not-SuSE? So there is no identity to take away, or to give. There is no form to take away. In emptiness, we are all one.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
Very simple two choices :
1) Use http or ftp install (it is easy and you may use a proxy cache)
2) Download a Live! Eval ISO
Does it really make sense to provide download ISO's of a distro that is > 5.5GB? SuSE already comes for 8.1 on 7 CD's, now 8.2 2 DVDs and 5 CDs.
Just download what you need not everything!!
I'm not sure that the argument is "It's hard" or "It can't be done." I don't use Gentoo because I don't want to lose use of my computer for the day or two that it can take to compile everything. Gaining 10% more speed isn't worth losing the use of my computer for a day every time a major update appears. With a slow computer, the compile time's a killer. With a fast machine, the extra efficiency is even less worthwhile.
Forward, retransmit, or republish anything I say here. Just don't misquote me.
The Paris-Berlin combination is trying to eliminate the rotating presidency and change the power structures in the EU to limit control to the larger
As of 8.1 it's blue not green.
Sorry for the dupe, dog hopped on keyboard
The Paris-Berlin combination is trying to eliminate the rotating presidency and change the power structures in the EU to limit control to the larger nations. The countries wanted into the EU, but France is trying th change what makes up the EU now that they are in.
I worded things wrong, France and Germany is trying to use the nations desire for enterance into the EU (and those markets) to take over control of Europe. Within 10 years, France and Germany will have dominated the EU, and gained significant control over all the peoples of Europe, unless the current leaders and the US figure out a solution.
If your media wasn't so busy brainwashing you with one sided stories, you might know what's going on. But instead, the rich and educated "Europeans" have decided that the lowly French, British, German, Dutch, etc., citizens can't handle it. So the people of the countries will have it all done for them, and their nation-states will slowly be destroyed.
The American media has MANY problem. However, at least because of the market conditions, they try to make news accessible. The European news that I've seen is like the NPR crap in this country, a bunch of left wing nuts taking federal money to talk down to people and feel all enlightened about it. Unfortunately, you aren't considered "capable" of seeing what is actually going on, and instead you look at US news sources and just shake your head because it is so different.
Ah well, the old European Union was a step in the right direction. I don't think you'll like the new one built in its name.
What you pay for is the proprietary tools, the configuration, the packaging, the manual and the support
Anyone is free to get Slackware and download & install whatever he wants on it.
Anyone could do it from scratch as well.
service = money
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
Im not sure where so many people have got the idea that SuSE is not free any more. SuSE, like all linux, is and always will be free.
Perhaps part of the confusion stems from the commercial (ie paid for by SuSE) software that is bundled with SuSE when you purchase a distro but is not available to download for free. I buy the professional distro EVERY minor version release, not because I need to but because I want to support SuSE. In yast, the SuSE set up tool, you may set the installation medium to be the SuSE ftp site and update all you want. You can install from scratch like this as well and even update your core system (although this will require you to burn a FREE to download cd also)
Just because a company lets you buy their linux distro in a shiny box with a bunch of lovely manuals, some cool stickers (which im glad to say are back in 8.1 after 8.0s notable absence) and literally tens of thousands of software packages, many of which you would otherwise have to PAY FOR, I really dont see why anyone complains.
ISOs are available for non i386 SuSE distros, but as has already been pointed out, downloading nearly 6 gigs when you are not even going to install it all seems a tad wasteful on the old bandwidth. Bandwidth which I might add SuSE have to pay for somewhere along the line. If you can afford the time online to download 7 CDs then you will have no problem installing the system you want over ftp.
SuSE Linux can be downloaded for FREE from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/Errr...my slackbox does that too. Just plug in and mount it. Thats all there is for USB-drives. And if i type mpg321 /home/lispy/motörhead.mp3 i can hear a tune, so whats your point?
cu,
Lispy
"average slashdot person finally puts all of his/her effort into Linux."
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all the really great hackers prefer XP and consider an OS experience like Linux to be a pain . .
For some reason I feel that if someone picks XP over Linux, they are NOT the type of person that enjoys hacking their OS and adding non-existent features.
Sure I wish you people would see the light and all switch to Linux, but I am pretty sure that those ABLE to contribute the most to the community have already switched. Or do you all really think that the community is missing out from you 7331 4aXor skillz?
Economics calls it "diminishing returns." The first people to use Linux had much greater marginal benefit to the community than a later group of people that just made the switch. Besides, I get the feeling that by the time people like you switch, no major improvents in Linux as a Desktop will be needed . . . and you all will be bragging how smart you are 'cause you know Linux. Go figure.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Blue for "Personal" - Green for "Professional"
If all the sites I found that carry Suse 8.1 iso's, will they be carrying suse 8.2 iso's. It's hard to have to find new iso mirrors.
BTW, Chrysler is a German company too, so if you drive a Jeep, you're supporting the Nazis.
I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Please don't make hasty generalizations, or otherwise you're just as bad as the people that do these things. I agree, it's stupid, and wasteful. It is especially wasteful when people buy the wine and then pour it out. They're pouring money down the drain because they feel it might offend the French. Too bad this accomplishes nothing other than supporting the French wine business or perhaps the American alcoholic sewer rat population.
Some of us realize the sacrafices and the effort put forth by France back during the American revolution. While it was not completely selfless (it was done, as I remember, to help expel their rival, England, from the new world), it was important. I am a group of Americans that realize this and I don't go out and start boycotting French goods or demanding that all of the American GIs in Normandy are dug up and brought back to the US. (Yes, there are people as insane as that.) Without France, we wouldn't have our freedom. "Some of us remember why the Statue of Liberty points to the east." (Stolen from kfg)
Having said that, I am not anti-American. I am an American that feels that, with the proper proof, the US has the moral authority to go into Iraq alone. Why do I hold this view? Because Saddam broke the terms of a cease fire the ended the Gulf War. In that cease fire, he agreed to destroy and stop persuing weapons of mass destruction. Now, remember, I feel that we need adequate evidence to do that, and as of yet, I haven't seen it (unlike a majority of my friends that feel we should nuke Iraq * sigh *). If I should see it, I would support the US-led war against Iraq. War sucks, but sometimes diplomacy fails.
Oh, and I believe that the UN's vote on a new resolution, which does not prima facia authorize immediate military action, determines if they are relavant to today's world. Remember what happened in Serbia when the UN would not go after the murderous and corrupt government that was oppressing people and involved in ethnic clensing? Many other nations supported the US going in then. All I wonder is what the difference is now.
(Posted without Karma Bonus as this, well, is off topic)
I tested the latest state of Cooker (which is the 9.1 pre-final), and it's incredibly good. They have:
- a completely new and redesigned (and simplified) installation procedure, never saw something so efficient and fast
- a completely redesigned desktop in GNOME & KDE (it's called MandrakeGalaxy and has *great* new icons...)
- anti-aliased fonts everywhere, this provides a great comfort of use...
There are also cool features such as NTFS partition resizing, WiFi support and others.
And the best of all is that for 10 days they seem to be only focusing on intensive debuging and frankly it's hard to find any bug left in this distribution!
My feeling is that MDK 9.1 is going to be a real bomb in the Linux world - it's so full featured, easy to use, powerful... I would call it "Ultimate"!
Ever sit back and actually read what's going on? It's the UN cafeteria that renamed their fries, not the whole Nation.
The new article mentions a proposal to boycott french products. Buying wine and dumping it in the sewers is the civilian way of showing french disapproval.
Statue of Liberty,? How bout landing at Normandy, defending french freedom, losing lives on french soil, spending billions of dollars in reconstruction, etc. The British Daily Mail said it best, "monstrous ingratitude".
If you think about it. The UN council has became the grounds where nations try to opt for more power and control. And it seems that a few nations have taken this opportunity to go for their chance for power. The US is upset b/c this is at a time where we ask for help and we see our allies acting on a power trip.
Why is the US so powerful? Could be b/c every conflict around the world asks for US intervention. Once something goes wrong, countrymen start spouting out rediculous nonsense.
The US has learned during the World Wars that we cannot afford to sit back and watch the world solve its own problems. And as the world's only superpower, we no longer have that option.
The US has helped both France and Germany, during and after the world wars. It just seems now that old egos are starting to flare.
Probably a lot of US presidents saw this coming, GWB is the only one nutty enough to stir up the hornets nest.
K, turning off my rant engine.
Yes yes!
Also the Linux Kernel itself has all kinds of horrible FURRINERS behind it! Major contributions to the SCSI layer, the VM, and so on have been contributed by engineers from France, Germany.
Clearly you should dump the whole arab-loving operating system! It logically follows doesn't it?
-josh
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
We *know* Saddam had tons of chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction so what happened to them? The burden of proof isn't on the inspectors to *prove* Iraq has weapons. It is Iraq's job to show the inspectors documentation that proves that they destroyed their weapons of mass destruction. If we were to go by the South African model of disarmament (which most in the UN agree is an almost perfect model) the inspectors are basically auditors. Now I work for a fortune 500 company and let me explain how audits work. Auditors come in a request information. We provide the information and any backup to that info that they request. If we don't provide the requested documentation and backup we'd be in very hot water very quickly.
Auditing is not an easter egg hunt like these inspections appear to be. Blix has said that Iraq's documentation is insufficient. Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction in the past. What happened to them?! No one knows and Iraq won't/can't provide credible evidence/documentation that they've destroyed these weapons. So we're just to assume that Saddam has been a nice little boy and has gotten rid of them? Iraq is not actively complying with the inspectors and only letting inspectors look around. Guess what... they aren't going to find anything in a state the size of California. Its just too easy to hide things in a land of this size. There will *never* be anything close to the disarmament of Iraq without the active participation of Saddam as long as he is in power. You simply cannot expect him to give up these powerful weapons willingly. He has thumbed his nose at UN resolutions and inspections for 11 years. What makes you think he will suddenly see the light and disarm willingly? Assuming Saddam will do anything but delay and hinder disarmament attempts is pure fantasy.
G. Washington on Government "it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Do what I do. I buy the "Personal" version, so SuSE gets a little $ back, and I install everything else that I need from either a)the source or b)SuSE Pro RPMs from ftp.suse.com.
I've been using SuSE Pro releases but 8.1 really started to annoy me by insisting that I install a bunch of stuff I didn't want or risk "system inconsistancies." Damn it, if I wanted KDE w/o CUPS, let me. Geez!
However, I've taken a liking to Gentoo these days.
I'd rather pay someone $40 to do that for me.
-BrentI've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
My beaugolais last nite was great.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
We in the US have a saying that translates like this: "No shit Captain Obvious.".
These pictures looked EXACTLY like the pictures of arabs burning a US flag - except there's no flag involved.
And nothing is being burned.
And one last thing: Don't forget that the Statue of Liberty is a present from france. Burn it down.
How about this, we'll burn down the Lady Liberty -iff- the French burn down their Little Lady Liberty.
take a breath man.
Damn! I just purchased a copy of 8.1 last night on ebay! /home)
I tried to install it on top of my Mandrake 9.0 (w/KDE 3.1) from the friggin 5.5gig glob I downloaded. It did NOT like it when I tried to mount my 120gig data drive (hdb5 -
It looked and worked GREAT until I mounted my data drive.
I assume it was polluted with old MDK 8.2 and 9.0 files and the permissions and ownerships just freaked it out.
It KP'ed like a fool every few minutes once I mounted the big drive, but before that it looked and worked GREAT!!
It even installed the drivers for my GF4 4200 card with a single click.
Well, when I get the 8.1 disks in I'll BACK UP my data and nuke the drive so that it's all nice and clean. Then I'll just update from 8.1 to 8.2 over ftp.
Gotta love that broadband!!
No, but Saddam supports France and Germany and Russia with oil. At least we now know how much their souls cost.
Doesn't it strike you as a bit ironic that 50 years after the US and Britain liberated France and Germany (... and then left...) these countries are using that freedom to force their opinion down the throats of the rest of Europe and the prospective EU.
Imagine celebrating the gift of freedom by saying that the Kurds and Iraqis do not deserve to be freed from an oppressive dictator.
There are many good reasons to oppose war. It is ludicrous, however given the current balance of world power for France (especially) to think that they can leverage their position in the UN to stop the US from protecting itself. The reality of the situation is that the UN is worthless without the US, and is worthless to the US if it is not able to provide for American security.
It is inconceivable that France is willing to risk their relevance in the New World Order and the relevance of the UN for a couple of dollars. I'm sure that they would feel a bit differently if they had enough stature in world politics to be worthy of attack.
It's nice to see that you guys don't just hate Microsoft and it's fans. You also hate each other (at least others that don't use your distro, desktop, desktop version, kernal version, GCC version, scripting language, etc., etc.).
This is one reason why Linux has such a hard time breaking into the mainstream. It's backers can't even agree.
Imagine people arguing over which service pack in Windows 2000 was better for this or that. Or hey! All of us l33t people use win-write! Notepad users sUx0rs.
Bastards.
There is a reason for everything. Sometimes that reason just sucks.
I only pay for SuSE about once every four releases. It's trivially easy to FTP the whole shebang, plop it down onto an FTP, Samba or HTTP server and then do an over-the-network install from your own server and you even get three different flavors of network protocol to choose from. I got 8.1 by using the simple drag & drop WS-FTP32 to grab the whole tree from off of ibiblio's superfast mirror, plopped it onto my Windows XP workstation that has tons of free disk space, shares the folder over my network and did a samba-based network install from the boot iso cdrom to four different machines simultaneously. Much faster than cdroms.
Right? If I can't download the code, make ANY modifications I want and then redistribute it in ISO or other form what the hell good is it? That's not linux, that's some proprietary bullshit hassle.
Suse may make contributions but the their software is Non-Free or "free as in beer" only. Thus in my mind their the same as Lindows, Xandros et al.
Too many strings make Suse worthless to me and its why I'll never use it. That's also why it will never fit the definition of truly free software.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Hey...
Maybe the bits about mp3s and automagically detecting/configuring/displaying on desktop your usb hardware when you plug it in weren't enough? Dunno.
But I dont' know how you got the impression that the sales people were in awe or anything, one of THEM was the one who made a big deal that they had to go back to gdm to shutdown. Go figure.
final is due out next week, also with KDE 3.1 and other goodies. Free to download
I've heard the free download will only be available once the boxed sets hit the stores. Given how long it's taken in the past, it could be a fairly significant delay. I'm more hopeful for Ark Linux, which is a non comercial desktop linux distro. I can both not pay for it, and not feel guilty!
So? Without the Germans, you wouldn't have been able to fly to the moon. And if you buy gay porn from the French, that's your problem.
Now go back and shovel in some more of those hamburgers, fatty. (Uneducated American trying to cover up from your bloated, ugly, 2-ton women)
"Kshu" Wow! Finally I can use decent, stable softwa.. wait a minute. Green?!! GREEN!!!! Fuck that!
SuSE 8... is PEOPLE!!
...a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops
Yeah, the rest of the world has that already. It's called VNC.
"Even your sales reps were amazed when I showed them my SuSE box with it's shutdown screen. What was your reasoning for this?"
You don't say the word "awe", but you do use "amazed", which still leaves me with the same impression. I still feel that this is NOT that big of a deal.. I'm sure Redhat will fix it in 8.1
I respect their decision to not include mp3 libs, just as I respect their decision to not support Nvidia drivers because they aren't open source and they can't guarantee their customers ANYTHING if they don't have access to the source. They didn't decide to not include them because they want to piss everyone off, they are doing it because they are a responsible company that supports Free software.
Auto desktop configuration is the only thing in your post that was neutral and interesting, and you hardly talk about it. Most of your rant was about Redhat's lack of mp3 software and lack of a shutdown option in KDE.
Irony. Like Goldy and Silvery, except made from iron.
frivolously than do I.
"The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley..." - ROBERT BURNS
That virus fly-paper has been around for 10 years? I didn't realize that it was available for BlowMe 3.1
Penguins are so sensitive to my needs - Lyle Lovett
Wow - you get to use Linux at work? Lucky you! (Seriously) I used Redhat a couple years ago and switched to SUSE because I can get everything and the kitchen sink on the CDs/DVD. I live behaind a modem and this is really important to me. $40 a year to upgarde is no big deal. Also - only Redhat could figure out how to get xfig to NOT save drawings as eps.(LaTeX rules!)
Penguins are so sensitive to my needs - Lyle Lovett
"The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes" Whay are you looking at my potato? Even if I have the biggest potato, what is dubmest? Some type of goo left over from a rave? (P.S. I have visited Germany and it rocks. Very beautiful and historical.)
Penguins are so sensitive to my needs - Lyle Lovett
"SuSE offers the possibility to install SuSE Linux free of charge directly from the FTP server. The function scope of FTP versions is virtually the same as that of the "normal" version. Merely a few program packages have been excluded due to license reasons. The installation support is not included either."
This works for releases back to the 7 series. Download/create the boot disk and module disks. With 8.1, and most likely 8.2, you can download a boot ISO (which includes all of the module disks). Using either the floppy or the ISO, you can install SuSE via the Internet using ftp or NFS.
See these links for details:
Also, I've been using SuSE since 6.2 and like it's ease-of-use. Updates can be managed using their YaST program. You can even test-drive new versions by booting their Live-Eval CDs! Kinda fun way to freak out your co-workers by changing their Windoze box to Linux while they're out to lunch ;) No side-effects or lasting changes either...perfectly safe.
Anyways, just my $0.02!
`Aikanaka...
People, the look of the window manager is a product of the window manager, NOT the distro. The text looks good be cause they use truetype fonts. The colors are cool because someone created themes/images that look that way. All the Distro has done is slapped all this stuff together, added a few programs to make things easier to config and install for the newbs, and said, "Pay us 40 dollars for selling you something that is MOSTLY someone else's work!"
Except in this case the distro actually employs and pays a significant portion of the window manager's core development team. In fact, at one point SuSE employed more Linux developers than any other distro (over 500, IIRC), so I would hardly say that they are making money off of someone else's work. In fact, I might say that Linux wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if SuSE didn't use a business model that actually makes money.
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
I like your post because I know there is a lot of truth in it. I am kind of in between al chairs. I am german/turkish married to an american/chinese living in France.
... "We freed the french, they ought to follow us where ever it suits us, otherwise they are good only to surrender" ... Crap ... as well as the other netiquetes brought forward by americas DIPLOMATS are as out of order as Chiraques remarques to the EU newcommer to shut up.
... What about N Korea ? NOW is the timt to talk. Don't wait untill bombs are dropping.
... Sorry, just what's on every one's mind.
I know with the propper proff the NATO would follow to war w/o hesitation.
Also the finger pointing all over the place is distastefull. The
Why in times of information technologies can't we keep it as close to a factual based discussion as possible ? That is what I believe diplomats are for.
Also I hope that some one kicks Sharon and Arafat to be sitting down together and start talking. Obviously the "I kill you because you kill my people" thing is no good.
As for the threat to America
As I said before I am married. I KNOW to keep up the relationship and peace you have to be willing to compromise. After all I am stronger then my wife and we have some fights but I have never hit/shut/kicked her just because that is a way of shutting her up.
Ouch this is way off topic
Ps. I did not mention that I hate Saddam and IMHO he should be removed. But dropping some MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) kill usually more bystanders.
Peace .
Insightful? WTF are the mods on today? This has to be the most blatent American bashing and generalization of the American people I have seen in my fucking life.
When talking about this one of my friends had a suggestion :
"Why don't you go and change the country names in the headline of the news."
Change for example America with Russia, Iraq with Saud Arabia, and France with Britain. Imagine Russia would like to rid Saudi Arabia of the house of Saud because a lot of the money for Mr Bin Laden came from this country. What would the states say to this then ? There would be no discussion what so ever in the NATO. the war would not happen !
So please think about that for a while.
Ps. On a funny not : If you change US with Iraq and Bush with Saddam, you have the same stand-off. Weapons of Mass destruction, no weapons inspectors allowed or welcome, dictatorship (kinda), No mercy to people other then your own etc.
Let's kick this worthless American's butt!
BOYS, GET YOUR SS UNIFORMS!
Auto desktop configuration is awesome, and yes, I didn't talk much about it. It takes work to do.
Fixing KDE and including MP3 codecs takes virtually no work, and would move RH to being more "complete", IMO.
Has anyone used the KOrganizer Exchange Plug-in? From this page it appears to need Outlook Web Access activated, saying it needs WebDAV to work. I'm curious if it can do all the features of Outlook/Exchange calendaring, like notification of conflicts, handling of "resources" as well as normal contacts, etc.
OK, Moderators.... HOW IS THE PARENT NOT A TROLL? Maybe I'm missing something(scratching head)
This guy is way out there
I'm running SuSE 8.1 on three machines right now - my home system, my laptop, and my work PC. I am still learning Linux, but I have tried quite a few distros and the lack of ISO images for SuSE dosen't bother me. Why? Because the FTP install is bulletproof! All I've ever needed to install SuSE on anything was three floppies and the IP of a local mirror.
Sure, it takes hours, but just check off the packages you want, light fuse and get away! Set it before you go to bed, it's done in the morning (at least on cable/T1) - no swapping discs or anything like that. If you're looking to install onto multiple PCs, just mirror the distro locally. It's no bigger than a few ISOs would be. SuSE is also the ONLY distro I've gotten to install via FTP - most others made it so difficult that I had to download the ISOs.
Just my experience, your milage may vary.
Why don't you shut the fuck up, homo? This isn't WWII.
Make an LFS if you're a true geek. Otherwise, stick with SuSE, Redhat, Windows XP, Mandrake, or whatever, and discuss until you retire about which is better.
Ps. On a funny not : If you change US with Iraq and Bush with Saddam, you have the same stand-off. Weapons of Mass destruction, no weapons inspectors allowed or welcome, dictatorship (kinda), No mercy to people other then your own etc.
Okay, I call bullshit here. First of all, Iraq agreed to rid itself of WMD as a result of the cease fire of the first Gulf War. It's not as they were coerced into it, Saddam agreed to it so as to not be deposed.
Secondly, the US (contrary to popular Slashdot drone belief) is NOT a dictatorship. The government and society is a reaction to the 8 years under Clinton where anyone could do just about anything and get away with it. Sure, there are laws that Americans do not agree with, and there are not enough Senators that listen to their constituants, but that does not mean that the citizens don't have a say in their government. If the people really cared and weren't acting like dumb sheep, they could look up where canidates get their money from and use that as their voting criterion. The could ask for more debates and the parties involved would agree to them. The problem is not that the US is turning authoritarian, the problem is that many people don't care about their government at all.
I hate to break it to you, Mr. AC, but the US gives a lot of aid to a lot of people. Where do you think most of the World Bank loans come from? Where does much of the money given for African AIDS come from, and other bailout loans? Where has Russia gotten many of its loans? You guessed it, the United States. Opressing people that are different from the WASP majority hasn't happend on a full scale for many years, and every time it happened, our society took note and realized it was wrong.
Now, I am not saying that American government is benevolant, far from it, but one of the things that is great about American society is the right to peaceful dissent. For example, if you have the proper permits, don't break windows or destroy property, don't harm other people, and don't start a riot, you are more than welcome to march in any city that you wish. Note, your protest must be non-violent, and you are protected. The moment that two drunken assholes start pounding on each other or one of your more violent protesters throws a brick through a window, and the government has every right to start arresting those involved for disturbing the peace. You broke your end, and they're protecting citizens that don't agree with you.
Yes, this is STILL off topic, but I can't let a person that's too cowardly to post under their username run off and troll.
Ps. I did not mention that I hate Saddam and IMHO he should be removed. But dropping some MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) kill usually more bystanders.
The MOAB is most likely psych-ops, and anyone using it to destroy one building in Baghdad in the middle of a residential area is just BEGGING for collateral damage.
I just finished buring the isos, and plan on giving it a try this weekend. I have to say, I'm really excited over their ideas and direction. I've been somewhat torn over my desire to see a community supported desktop distro, and my desire to see the existing comercial ones get some money. It always feels a bit weird telling people looking for a free alternitive to windows that the best canidates for their move are only 'kinda' free. As well, I too was happy to see apt in there. As cool as apt4rpm is, I just don't see it used very much, with the desktop distros all having their own different tools. This, and some other reuse makes me think their philosophy of not reinventing the wheel could make for a very nice collection that reflects what's going on in the comunity.
Plus, I really like the idea of being able to get into working with a distro this early on. It's a neat idea to think that building some rpms, or putting together some simple configuration utilities for the distro could actually be a pretty big contribution.
Suse 8.1 (installed by FTP) holds my personal record for shortest use of Linux. It lasted 2 hours after install.
1. Made installing my vid card and monitor a nightmare.
2. Looked like crap compared to the default install of redhat phoebe #3.
*cough cough* Gentoo anyone?
First off, he didn't say bug-free, he said bug-fixing (typical careless AC, dare you to step forward and be content-policed!), second off, Mandrake and the Cooker crew are only clobbering obvious bugs (as in, cause crashes or don't work) not trivial stuff or non-present features.
Having said that, they've already contributed quite a few new features to various projects in the last month or so since the list exploded (think circa 1000 messages a day) in the ramp-up to release.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
...they filed for Bankruptcy Protection, which is quite a different thing, and for which there seems to be no US equivalent.
.COM-days debts, the protection was basically to give their creditors legal excuse to get off their backs (ie not foreclose) for six months while they put a big enough dent in those debts to survive. And so far, they are.
Mandrake are (and have been) making a profit for some time, now, and have chewed through most of their
I'm looking forward to them getting the financial monkey off their collective back, because then they can re-hire some more developers and get on with pushing along important Linux-centric projects like KDE. Mandrake have so far GPLed everything that goes into their distros, and yet they're making a profit right now.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
That might explain why SuSE don't GPL as much stuff as Mandrake, and why Mandrake's download edition has always been available before shop stock. To compensate, they opened MandrakeClub - where's the SuSE equivalent, or indeed the need for one? I note that Mandrake didn't join the apparently-ill-fated United Linux cabal. From all this you can learn that their corporate culture is less grasping, and also less conservative. Whether that latter is a boon or a bummer depends on your viewpoint.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Because it's easier to install and supports more hardware than RedHat (and they don't charge for updates), but more stable than Mandrake. Because you don't want to fart around with day-long compiles to get your machine working (Gentoo, Sourcerer) and don't care that much about squeezing 10% more horsepower out of it. Because it uses RPMs (although Mandrake's URPMI is nearly as good as Debian's apt-get on that score, and RPMs might be an anti-feature for a Debianite or Slackie). Because you ist ein Deutschlander, and their German support is pretty good (like Mandrake's French support). Because you don't want a US-and-allies-centric distro. I'm sure there's scores more reasons.
Mandrake know about eDonkey and warez meets, that's what MandrakeClub is for. Debian know and don't care because they're not a sales-supported organisation. RedHat and Slackware seem to get by. Caldera don't know what hit them, and LindowsOS is a bloody circus. And Yoper are mana-whoring (-: no, just kidding, mana doesn't work like karma :-).
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Agree. And I don't even use it. (-:
Download and try Mandrake 9.1 next week as well.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Go read your LUG's list archives. If your LUG's not big enough to draw data points from, go find a few others.
Knoppix is unbeatable for auto-detecting stuff, and ironically they got the code for doing that out of a Mandrake installer. Mandrake seems to be just ahead of SuSE but it seems to vary lots. SuSE seems to be better at video cards, for example, not so good at scanners, printers and other peripherals. RedHat, it goes without saying, lags both but with one or two exceptions for stuff like specific video card drivers.
I could say that Debian's hardware detection sucks, but Knoppix is Debian-based: you can boot it, play with it, then install it and just apt-get from the standard Debian trees if you want any extras.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
True, but not as much trouble as `bankruptcy protection' suggests; what they are in is a kind of pre-bankruptcy for which the USA appears to have no equivalent. It is not Chapter 11. The idea is to continue the company as a going concern (stop creditors foreclosing), the French gummint has approved their plan, they seem to be full steam ahead for financial bliss later this year.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Where are the ISOs though?
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
"end of rotating presidency.."
Well this is do to the fact with the 8-10 new members EU will be some 23 Conutries. When EU hits that size it will take 6 months * 23 months before the presidency returns again witch is 11.5 years!
Do you see the problem ??
It will just not be workable! And all member countries knows this.
"unless the current leaders and the US figure out a solution."
I am sorry but Europe dose not need to be saved from France and Germany.
"The European news that I've seen is like the NPR crap in this country, a bunch of left wing nuts taking federal money to talk down to people and feel all enlightened about it."
Maybe thats becous most of Europe leans to the left =)
(People to the left == media to the left) Simpel isent it!
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